No more snow eh? Met Eireann are a bunch of jokers

quarryman

They've got it consistently wrong since the snow began.

Yesterday I heard there would be NO MORE SNOW until after Christmas, just very cold weather.

Really?

So what about that blizzard outside my window here in Dublin 14 that started 3 hours ago?

Ginger Nut

please not another public service bashing ----BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOring

MsFifers

In fairness, they DID say more snow was expected today on the East coast.

stateofflux

dublin met eireann forecast for today :

met: "Isolated snow and hail showers will continue to occur today with accumulations of between 1 and 4cm. However the level of shower activity will be much less intense than it was a few days ago and any disruption from fresh snow will be minimal. Patches of freezing fog may persist in one or two places. Otherwise the day will be dry and bright. Highest temperatures will generally range from 1 or or 2 degrees right on the coast to about -3 or -4 degrees. Light north to northeast winds."

im not seeing it...buts still only midday....

touts

quarryman wrote: »

They've got it consistently wrong since the snow began.

Yesterday I heard there would be NO MORE SNOW until after Christmas, just very cold weather.

Really?

So what about that blizzard outside my window here in Dublin 14 that started 3 hours ago?

Your mistake was to put too much faith in what amounts to an educated guess. Even the much praised IWO got it completely wrong when it came to the "inland South East". This time last week they were predicting up to 30cm per day for the weekend. We got nothing. Not a flake.

Forecasting is still about looking at all the data and then taking a guess.

TheMilkyPirate

stateofflux wrote: »

dublin met eireann forecast for today :

met: "Isolated snow and hail showers will continue to occur today with accumulations of between 1 and 4cm. However the level of shower activity will be much less intense than it was a few days ago and any disruption from fresh snow will be minimal. Patches of freezing fog may persist in one or two places. Otherwise the day will be dry and bright. Highest temperatures will generally range from 1 or or 2 degrees right on the coast to about -3 or -4 degrees. Light north to northeast winds."

im not seeing it...buts still only midday....

lol, Major international airport closing 2days before christmas is minimal disruption? They should know by now how potent the irish sea can be.

th3 s1aught3r

They have been on this positive message stuff since last weekend, they wheeled Gerry out several times and he said that after Tuesday night it would be mainly dry. This is not dry , travel will be severley disrupted becasue of snow today

irishmotorist

quarryman wrote: »

They've got it consistently wrong since the snow began.

Yesterday I heard there would be NO MORE SNOW until after Christmas, just very cold weather.

Really?

So what about that blizzard outside my window here in Dublin 14 that started 3 hours ago?

Well, you heard wrong or you didn't listen to Met Eireann. Both the 6.1 and the 9pm forecasts last night said that there'd be snow through today on the east coast, up to tonight. Everywhere else would remain mostly dry.

Further FYI, they also said yesterday that there was a chance of snow showers on the east coast tomorrow (Friday, Christmas eve). So, now you have more warning.

MilanPan!c

As I said on the other thread, due to the complex and varied drivers of our weather, I've come to believe that temps, but NOT precipitation, can be reasonably well predicted.

There's not a weatherman alive that could guess this mess right very consistently. IMO.

chin_grin

touts wrote: »

Forecasting is still about looking at all the data and then taking a guess.

:eek:

I'm sure there's "science" somewhere!

Bog Butter

quarryman wrote: »

They've got it consistently wrong since the snow began.

Yesterday I heard there would be NO MORE SNOW until after Christmas, just very cold weather.

Really?

So what about that blizzard outside my window here in Dublin 14 that started 3 hours ago?

They never said there would be no more snow. They have been quite accurate and honest in my opinion.

BEASTERLY

Point out one other forecast that performed better than Met Eireann during this cold spell. I was an impossible task to ask anybody to have close to 100% accuracy over the last week, it was a forecasters nightmare. Yes they underestimated today's snow until yesterday, but what more do you want.

I still think M.T cranium is the best forecaster here in Ireland(well hes in Canada but you know what i mean), but he will admit he got the details wrong for this cold spell until the last couple of days. It is important to remember that M.T did flag this cold spell a number of weeks ago.

But in terms of this cold spell , Met Eireann have been the best around. Which is uprising as their generalness is usually their downfall.

With the respect to the OP, ive never seen you in the weather forums discussing details before, but yet you think it should be possible to have 100% accuarcy. Anybody who folows the weather in detail and really looks into the details in depth will never complain about minor details going wrong. Anybody tracking the details of this cold spell will realise how difficult it was. So unless you know a good bit about a subject it might be best not to throw the toys out of the pram next time.

seniorolaighin

no fighting!!! WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

irishmotorist

Here's the weather from last nights nine o'clock news:
http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1087694

At 26:03, there is a HIRLAM sequence of the precip in the Dublin area (among others)

Then, at 26:10, there's a chart telling us of snow showers bringing between 2cm and 5cm of snow in Leinster and East Munster.

quarryman

I heard differently on the radio. No more snow.

I'm wondering if the source was actually Met Eireann at this stage...

ArmaniJeanss

quarryman wrote: »

I heard differently on the radio. No more snow.

I'm wondering if the source was actually Met Eireann at this stage...

Its possible that Met Eireann released a 500 word 2 minute forecast, but the radio station you were listening to compressed it into a 50 word 10second forecast at the end of the news. And missed a few key details.

Dubh Geannain

quarryman wrote: »

I heard differently on the radio. No more snow.

I'm wondering if the source was actually Met Eireann at this stage...

Talk to Joe so

GSF

I heard the 7.55am forecast and I think John Eagleton said that the flurries from the Irish Sea would have a minimal impact today. So ME underestimated the intensity of snow flurries on the east coast this am.

Zzippy

Lol, its usually rural posters complaining the forecast is Dublin-biased, then when they get it right (90% of the country is dry and sunny today) the Dublin posters are on complaining the forecast isn't specific enough for Dublin.
FWIW its a glorious sunny day in Galway today, a balmy -1C

partay pooper

heavy snow shower in Portlaoise, and the sky looks dark and laden!! Me can't forecast , they said snow would be confined to the east coast yesterday, now they have changed it. lol

Folks don't be shocked if this mild spell doesn't materialise

Pangea

It was on the news that Met eireann admitted that they didnt expect that heavy snowfall, if you watch the one news replay you can hear their explanations.

squonk

Ah give them a break! They can't get it 100% right all the time, especially in hard to predict situations like these. Also, in general they have the Atlantic to deal with and as we are on the edge of Europe, everything destined for northern europe starts with us first. I think they do a great job in general. The snow was confined to a very small area of the country this time round. If it was an area of west Donegal or Mayo that had the ame snowfall, there woulnd't be half the uproar. What happend was very localised.

stevenmu

chin_grin wrote: »

:eek:

I'm sure there's "science" somewhere!

They use science to get the data that they base the guess on

I think a large part of the problem is the expectations of us the public. If you look at things like aviation or shipping forecasts, they list of % chances, 50% chance of rain, 20% chance of snow etc, which is what the data actually supports. But Joe public doesn't want that, we want to be told "yes it will rain", "no it won't snow" etc. The weather is far too complicated and there are way too many variables to support definitive statements like that all of the time.

ciaran67

-10 at 10.35 this morning heading into Ballina Ice Rink. Ive never been so cold walking through the giant sand trap that is Tesco's car park.

Mc Love

thetonynator

partay pooper wrote: »

heavy snow shower in Portlaoise, and the sky looks dark and laden!! Me can't forecast , they said snow would be confined to the east coast yesterday, now they have changed it. lol

Folks don't be shocked if this mild spell doesn't materialise

that is the most uneducated analysis of a forecast i have ever read . . and there are a lot of them round here. Clearly it is impossible to know if shower could have more strength than previously expected.

snow ghost

Met Eireann were caught napping all morning tbh.

I saw a couple of their forecasts and they didn't give any indication of what appears to be blizzards, etc.

ME seemed to have been fiddling while Rome was about to burn this morning. They got caught with their pants down, Karina Buckely was confidently forecasting feck all but a few showers, then they had to wheel Evelyn out when the heavy snow arrived.

That said no one can accurately 100% predict the future, things are dynamic and can change at the drop of a hat and some people within the Pale are whingers who expect too much, e.g. we got a sudden major snowfall here a few nights ago and it was hardly acknowledged by the Pale-centric media.

Thems the breaks folks - deal with it.

suitseir

I usually check Accuweather or yr.no weather Ireland. I think Accuweather is quite accurate and at least they have the equipment to predict beyond 10 DAYS.

Met Eireann always say they cannot predict that far ahead...they don't have the equipment. Why?

th3 s1aught3r

Have ye seen that guy John Kilrane, the Dublin city reporter on the RTE news?
EVERY DAY this week he has been on with the same sentence at the end of his report "Met Eireann are saying that snow will become more scattered and die out and then we will see more dryer and cold weather"
The the next day he is on reporting from a snowy Dublin where another day of traffic chaos has been the story....
id really love to know what goes on at the daily city meeting between ME, NRA and City Council ? That yank from the NRA saying salt supplies are coping well even though only main roads are treated

John32c

Quarryman your mostly right.....met eireann did say todays weather would be a big improvement on previous days with some lighter snow/hail and even rain affecting some leinster counties..well whats a shower...Im in Rathfarnham it started snowing at 10.30 this morning and has just stopped now its 4pm. I cleared nearly a foot of snow off the car at 1pm accumulated from previous days, there is at least 4-6" inches of new snow on it now 3hrs later...forecasters havent a clue!!

partay pooper

thetonynator wrote: »

that is the most uneducated analysis of a forecast i have ever read . . and there are a lot of them round here. Clearly it is impossible to know if shower could have more strength than previously expected.

do you work in glasnevin?? Met Eireann have been caught napping. Portlaoise isn't the issue , the main hub Dublin is!! The airport is closed again, after they said it wouldn't be issue

thetonynator

partay pooper wrote: »

do you work in glasnevin?? Met Eireann have been caught napping. Portlaoise isn't the issue , the main hub Dublin is!! The airport is closed again, after they said it wouldn't be issue

1. they didnt say snow free today.

2.Forecasting at the moment is practically impossible

3. They update their forecasts when they get new data.

4. No one gets all this right.

5.they have been very accurate so far.

6. and i dont work in glasnevin.

partay pooper

thetonynator wrote: »

1. they didnt say snow free today.

2.Forecasting at the moment is practically impossible

3. They update their forecasts when they get new data.

4. No one gets all this right.

5.they have been very accurate so far.

6. and i dont work in glasnevin.

owww getting all pointy!! I am not a forecaster mate just an ordinary person so yes am uneducated with regards to forecasting, but sick and tired of ME getting it wrong(they are the professionals), this "thaw" is being put back 3 days since the start of the week. besides this thread is titled "No more snow eh? Met Eireann are a bunch of jokers" So I am entitle to put my view across , how ever uneducated!!!

Happy Christmas

Sponge Bob

I don't recall Met E saying it would stop snowing for starters , the current setup ( streamers affecting Dublin and Wicklow in the main) is highly unpredictable unlike a frontal mass of wet which it ain't.

I would even like to congratulate them for their accurate forecasts in the West in the past few days, long may that atypical accuracy in the west continue

thetonynator

partay pooper wrote: »

owww getting all pointy!! I am not a forecaster mate just an ordinary person so yes am uneducated with regards to forecasting, but sick and tired of ME getting it wrong(they are the professionals), this "thaw" is being put back 3 days since the start of the week. besides this thread is titled "No more snow eh? Met Eireann are a bunch of jokers" So I am entitle to put my view across , how ever uneducated!!!

Happy Christmas

Of course you are entitled to . . .its a forum! Happy Christmas to you to.

redsteveireland

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I don't recall Met E saying it would stop snowing for starters , the current setup ( streamers affecting Dublin and Wicklow in the main) is highly unpredictable unlike a frontal mass of wet which it ain't.

I would even like to congratulate them for their accurate forecasts in the West in the past few days, long may that atypical accuracy in the west continue

+1
Streamers and the Irish sea are very unpredictable.
They probably stepped on their own foot if they ever said no more snow, but they have been fairly accurate for the rest of the country.
Happy Christmas!

BEASTERLY

The only people who are giving out about met eireann here are the ones who are new comers to the weather forum(probaly tempory aswell), and i presume have not learned alot about how the atmosphere works yet and therefore have no place slating met eireann.

If ye want to whinge about met eireann, go and follow the weather intensively for a few years( a couple of hours a evening like i have). Then you will have a good handle of how it works, and I will garuntee you will never slate a forecaster again for getting minor details wrong.

These showers were forecasted by met eireann yesterday lunchtime.

I quote ''Showers in Eastern area will continue becoming heavy and pushing inland and could reach east Munster''. Get your facts right people:mad:

NickDrake

Lads they are a shower of clowns. Overpaid public servants that yet again fail to perform.

They got it TOTALLY wrong today. People saying the didn't either work there or haven't a clue.

This morning on the radio, tv and interent, they stated a few minor showers.

Now there are blizzards. Heavy PROLONGED snow all day. Probably all night.

They stated no major disruption but yet Dublin Airport had no close a good few times

Any clown can look out the window and update their forecast.

This is not the first time in the last few weeks that they got it totally wrong.

A shower of underperforming clowns.

Sure what else can we expect from public servants.

CLOWNS!!

NickDrake

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

Have ye seen that guy John Kilrane, the Dublin city reporter on the RTE news?
EVERY DAY this week he has been on with the same sentence at the end of his report "Met Eireann are saying that snow will become more scattered and die out and then we will see more dryer and cold weather"
The the next day he is on reporting from a snowy Dublin where another day of traffic chaos has been the story....
id really love to know what goes on at the daily city meeting between ME, NRA and City Council ? That yank from the NRA saying salt supplies are coping well even though only main roads are treated

Exactly. Yet everyday Met Eireann have to change it. CLowns

BEASTERLY

NickDrake wrote: »

Lads they are a shower of clowns. Overpaid public servants that yet again fail to perform.

They got it TOTALLY wrong today. People saying the didn't either work there or haven't a clue.

This morning on the radio, tv and interent, they stated a few minor showers.

Now there are blizzards. Heavy PROLONGED snow all day. Probably all night.

They stated no major disruption but yet Dublin Airport had no close a good few times

Any clown can look out the window and update their forecast.

This is not the first time in the last few weeks that they got it totally wrong.

A shower of underperforming clowns.

Sure what else can we expect from public servants.

CLOWNS!!

:rolleyes:
I dont work there and i think i do have a clue. Ive been spending a fair amount time over the last 3-4 years really getting the ins and outs of this whole weather lark, been off work for a few days this week and ive been watching every forecast around and believe me met eireann have been the best. The funny thing is that alot of the people whinging in this thread are the people who ask what the blue bits on a precipitation chart means!

EDIT: I'm pretty sure there is met eireann folk reading in here, and its a pity they dont contribute to the threads, but i wonder why they dont! This forum is so much better in summer!

WallyGUFC

Why don't we gather all the moaners here and let them swap with the ME forecasters for a month and see what they have to say!:rolleyes: How easy do ye think it is to forecast the exact precipitation from a streamer originating on the Welsh coast and travelling over here, possibly gaining or losing power on the way? It's not very f**kin easy at all. Give them a break. Overpayed public servants my arse.

Ye wouldn't be complaining if they forecasted rain and wind in the middle of July and we got a heatwave. Stop complaining now. Mother nature has a psychotic mind of her own and by all accounts most models have consistently failed for the past few weeks. This country isn't equipped to deal with this sort of weather, and it's not ME's fault.

4Sheets

Someone please start a thread for moaners,whingers and scientifically ignorant people who believe our Met service is uniquely lacking compared to other countries..

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/161892/Met-Office-scraps-its-long-range-forecasts-after-being-so-wrongMet-Office-scraps-its-long-range-forecasts-after-being-so-wrongMet-Office-scraps-its-long-range-forecasts-after-being-so-wrongMet-Office-scraps-its-long-range-forecasts-after-being-so-wrongMet-Office-scraps-its-long-range-forecasts-after-being-so-wrongMet-Office-scraps-its-long-range-forecasts-after-being-so-wrongMet-Office-scraps-its-long-range-forecasts-after-being-so-wrongMet-Office-scraps-its-long-range-forecasts-after-being-so-wrongMet-Office-scraps-its-long-range-forecasts-after-being-so-wrongMet-Office-scraps-its-long-range-forecasts-after-being-so-wrongMet-Office-scraps-its-long-range-forecasts-after-being-so-wrong

GSF

In light of todays errors in the forecast, ME are investing in some new technology to prevent a recurrence........... a window to look out of.

Rabble Rabble

So let's clear this up? Did they suggest that showers would get isolated today or not? If so, were they not wrong? Did that claim cause people to book on the 23rd or later? If so ME have caused people to not get a flight earlier fir Christmas, or to make other arrangements.

That's a fail. As for convective activity. The term isolated is a metreological term. It means you probably won't see a shower, and if you do 1. Dublin got continuous merged heavy showers. The airport was closed for the morning, evening and much of the afternoon. So clearly they failed.

NickDrake

they said showers. They also said up to 5cm. Dublin got WAY more than that.

Bunch of clowns! And they still have the nerve to say there will be very little snow tomorrow. You cannot trust them

And the the poster a few posts up asking the moaners on here to forecast the weather for a month. Get a life. We are not scentists and we don't get paid a huge amount for constant non performance.

Clowns

Lucyspell

http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,15217.msg275102.html#msg275102

WallyGUFC

NickDrake wrote: »

they said showers. They also said up to 5cm. Dublin got WAY more than that.

Bunch of clowns! And they still have the nerve to say there will be very little snow tomorrow. You cannot trust them

And the the poster a few posts up asking the moaners on here to forecast the weather for a month. Get a life. We are not scentists and we don't get paid a huge amount for constant non performance.

Clowns

What is this huge amount ME forecasters get? Any figures to back that up? Also, constant non-performance suggests wrong most of the time yeah? Give us a few examples there sure.

Sure last weekend were BBC not saying the East would get absolutely no snow but ME said there would be?

ME didn't get it wrong, they just underestimated the amounts of snow. Would it have made a difference to the Airport, the late buses, the traffic? No, because THIS COUNTRY ISN'T EQUIPPED FOR THIS WEATHER! Not enough salt is the NRA's fault. Not enough plows is the councils fault. Dublin Airport shutting down for a few cms of snow is the DAA's fault.


Nothing you can do about this weather. Wouldn't have made a difference if they had forecasted it correctly - the airport would still be closed and traffic would still be chaotic.

4Sheets

snow ghost wrote: »

Met Eireann were caught napping all morning tbh.

I saw a couple of their forecasts and they didn't give any indication of what appears to be blizzards, etc.

ME seemed to have been fiddling while Rome was about to burn this morning. They got caught with their pants down, Karina Buckely was confidently forecasting feck all but a few showers, then they had to wheel Evelyn out when the heavy snow arrived.

That said no one can accurately 100% predict the future, things are dynamic and can change at the drop of a hat and some people within the Pale are whingers who expect too much, e.g. we got a sudden major snowfall here a few nights ago and it was hardly acknowledged by the Pale-centric media.

Thems the breaks folks - deal with it.

.

NickDrake

WallyGUFC wrote: »

What is this huge amount ME forecasters get? Any figures to back that up? Also, constant non-performance suggests wrong most of the time yeah? Give us a few examples there sure.

Sure last weekend were BBC not saying the East would get absolutely no snow but ME said there would be?

ME didn't get it wrong, they just underestimated the amounts of snow. Would it have made a difference to the Airport, the late buses, the traffic? No, because THIS COUNTRY ISN'T EQUIPPED FOR THIS WEATHER! Not enough salt is the NRA's fault. Not enough plows is the councils fault. Dublin Airport shutting down for a few cms of snow is the DAA's fault.


Nothing you can do about this weather. Wouldn't have made a difference if they had forecasted it correctly - the airport would still be closed and traffic would still be chaotic.

Fair comments and I agree with you there but 8 Inches fell in Dublin last night. Confirmed on Radio there. That is not isolated snow. That is not 2-5cm.

2-5cm was their warning all day yesterday and last night. God all they had to do was look out the window, but I presume most were off on Christmas holidays.

They got the amount TOTALLY wrong.

They are a shambles and let the country down yet again.

Can I ask have you seen the carnage in Dublin and the amount we got last night?

Everyone on the street and about my area this morning are giving out yards about met Eireann.

It is not just me.

Regarding pay? They are a public service so we can be pretty sure they are overpaid.

Examples of non performance?? Last summer there were a good few cases. The floods last Winter. The Big freeeze x 2 this Winter.

200motels

NickDrake wrote: »

Fair comments and I agree with you there but 8 Inches fell in Dublin last night. Confirmed on Radio there. That is not isolated snow. That is not 2-5cm.

2-5cm was their warning all day yesterday and last night. God all they had to do was look out the window, but I presume most were off on Christmas holidays.

They got the amount TOTALLY wrong.

They are a shambles and let the country down yet again.

Can I ask have you seen the carnage in Dublin and the amount we got last night?

Everyone on the street and about my area this morning are giving out yards about met Eireann.

It is not just me.

Regarding pay? They are a public service so we can be pretty sure they are overpaid.

Examples of non performance?? Last summer there were a good few cases. The floods last Winter. The Big freeeze x 2 this Winter.

I think your comments are a little unfair on ME. Those streamers are so hard to predict, even in the states where lake effect snow happens a lot they find it hard to predict how much snow one area will get and what area will get it.

BEASTERLY

Thetonynator mentioned uneducated in a previous post, i think that is the problem here(Well in the subject at hand). As has been stated many times here, for the majority of this cold spell have been far better than BBC, M.T etc. Their forecast for yesterday was scattered heavy snowers that may reach east munster, that was spot on!

These convection setups in irish sea are near impossible to accurately predict exact location and amounts. If most of the general public are unable understand this then thats their problem not Met Eireann's.

Cop on and get a fuppin clue!