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What are the Republicans on?
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20-12-2010 5:01pm#1
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Then the Democrats took over Congress
They were elected by the american people who grew impatient with the republican administrations near constant failure.
Economic prosperity and low unemployment were more "in spite" of the bush administration.... not because of them
Better days probably are ahead.... because of the work Obama did right from day 1, despite the shrieking objections from a witless republican partyBetter days are ahead and you’ll be able to thank a Republican Congress for that.
The forthcoming congress will show the people that the republicans really arent up for government.
I think America deserves better than the Party of "No!"
Happy christmas too
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spank_inferno wrote: »They were elected by the american people who grew impatient with the republican administrations near constant failure.
Economic prosperity and low unemployment were more "in spite" of the bush administration.... not because of them
Better days probably are ahead.... because of the work Obama did right from day 1, despite the shrieking objections from a witless republican party
The forthcoming congress will show the people that the republicans really arent up for government.
I think America deserves better than the Party of "No!"
Happy christmas too
IMHO opinion, I find the collective slogan chanting from the left (which actually nothing but parroting TV punditry) a wee bit silly.
But hey whatever floats your boat.
Republicans did well by saying NO to crazy spending, mega bureaucracy and there will much more of that to come.
The people agreed and rewarded them last Nov. 2nd with a landslide election.
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Its that whole spending mentality from Republicans I dont understand?
Economic stimulus billions = Bad
Billions to carpet bomb Iraq back to the stone age = Good
Money to create more & better public services for american citizens = Bad
Money to pay companies to rebuild Iraq after expensively destroying it in the first place = Good.
Creating more government and more services to help its citizens will always create a beurocracy thats no different anywhere in the world.
It was a curious result last november that the Dems got punished for a balooning deficit that was created by a republican ravaged economy and 8 years of growing national debt caused by a most foolhardy war in Iraq
It says a lot about the American electorate
On our side of the water we keep re-electing a party corrupt to its core who have taken all our bank debt and burdened it on the tax payer.
Says a lot about the Irish too
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spank_inferno wrote: »Its that whole spending mentality from Republicans I dont understand?
Economic stimulus billions = Bad
Billions to carpet bomb Iraq back to the stone age = Good
Money to create more & better public services for american citizens = Bad
Money to pay companies to rebuild Iraq after expensively destroying it in the first place = Good.
Creating more government and more services to help its citizens will always create a beurocracy thats no different anywhere in the world.
It was a curious result last november that the Dems got punished for a balooning deficit that was created by a republican ravaged economy and 8 years of growing national debt caused by a most foolhardy war in Iraq
It says a lot about the American electorate
On our side of the water we keep re-electing a party corrupt to its core who have taken all our bank debt and burdened it on the tax payer.
Says a lot about the Irish too
Bush was a lousy President and even lousier Republican.
He was a Neaocon.
Remember he campaigned as against nation building and against foreign entanglements and then did a complete 180.
Because of that and TARP he also lost the majority of Republican support, thus his super low approval ratings.
Bush is in the past, we need to get on with today’s issues.
I agree with the Teaparty100%, that the government has no business bailing out the banks or corporations with our money.
The movement has no central leadership but is composed of a loose affiliation of national and local groups that determine their own platforms and agendas.
Just regular people holding their government accountable.
What could be more democratic?
IMHO also a testament to the brilliance of our constitution, that regular people can do this successfully and can’t be buttered under by bureaucrats
They work for us and not we for them!
By comparison, I look at Europe where bloated governments do whatever they want, mostly in self-interest, leaving the people to throw rocks in the streets and set stuff on fire.
All in futility because their governments don’t listen to them anyway.
We don’t want that mess.0 -
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Its like a giant list of excuses and aportioning out blame elsewhere.
No country attacked America for godsake, it was a group of terrorists, mainly Saudis, extremists. What country attacked Bali? none, extremists did. The US used to support the Taliban. Going by your logic America should have attacked itself? jaysus..
The Republicans are the creationists of modern politics.. actually scratch that.. a lot of them literally are.. creationists.. next they'll start accusing the opposition of not believing that they are exceptionally the most unique and unrivalled nation in the world.. oh wait
and Happy Christmas
Where did I say “ A country attacked us”?
I didn’t.
And BTW, as a Republican I was against going to Iraq.
Sadam was pain the butt and a former “useful” tool but not a threat.
We really don’t need unnecessary contentious foreign entanglements.
And I have never personally met a creationist but I am sure some are out there.
It’s a free country …you can believe whatever you want.
No thought police
Merry Christmas:)0 -
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Where did I say “ A country attacked us”?
I didn’t.
And BTW, as a Republican I was against going to Iraq.
Sadam was pain the butt and a former “useful” tool but not a threat.
We really don’t need unnecessary contentious foreign entanglements.
And I have never personally met a creationist but I am sure some are out there.
It’s a free country …you can believe whatever you want.
No thought police
Merry Christmas:)
"except for two wars, one because we were attacked"
Attacked by who? A bunch of Saudi extremists..
With ties to... everywhere
Oh for Gods sake..
The common sense approach to the matter I had in my mind directly after 911 is exactly the same I see now with perfect hindsight. Maybe its 25 years of terrorism in UK and Ireland but jaysus that administration did _every_ _single_ _thing_ wrong, plus some, now watch this drive..
The creationist thing? well free speech to Islamic extremists then, oh right, well free speech to change textbooks in order to incorporate Islami.. oh right. Same thing, different religion, one lovely Republican governor believes the sun goes around the earth, how quaint.
If 40% of Americans still believe in creationism, then they'll certainly buy Sarah Palin hinting that Obama is a muslim commie, taxes do not need to be raised and that more aircraft carriers is the answer.. seriously.. watch Fox News.. they touch on all these issues all the time.. its beyond belief.. oh but they are just media pundits who are in it for money/ratings and are harmless? Rush Limbaugh could run tomorrow, probably win it too.
Its like a giant herd of car salesmen, tv evangalists and social climbers sucking off a giant pile of ignorant people who've never left their country and could quite possibly not even locate it on a map of the world. And thats just the Democrats. Happy New Year 0 -
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Exile 1798 wrote: »Look again, and maybe this time look at actual policy.
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=69720044
Here are the main austerity measures announced in Europe so far:
BRITAIN:
Britain's new coalition government has condemned "wasteful" spending and has announced 6.25 billion pounds (9.08 billion dollars, 7.16 billion euros) of cuts -- incurring anger from trade unions but praise from investors.
The measures include a freeze on civil service recruitment and reductions in numerous programmes inherited from the previous Labour government such as information technology projects and consultancy contracts.
DENMARK:
The government in Denmark, which has one of the most generous social welfare systems in the world, has said it wants to slash unemployment and family benefits and ministers' salaries. The plan still needs parliamentary approval.
FRANCE:
The French government has announced a three-year freeze on public spending starting in 2011 and wants to raise the official retirement age from 60 after it was lowered from 65 under former president Francois Mitterrand.
GREECE:
The Greek government announced cuts of 4.8 billion euros in March and followed that up with 30 billion euros in cuts in May in a bid to reassure financial markets and bring down its sky-high public deficit.
The new measures include an increase in the sales tax and cuts in civil service salaries. The government is also planning an overhaul of the pensions system to reduce costs and is stepping up the fight against tax evasion.
IRELAND:
Ireland adopted two austerity plans in 2009 totalling seven billion euros in a bid to bring down its public deficit to 11.5 percent in 2010 from a shocking 14.3 percent in 2009 -- the highest level in the eurozone.
The measures include a reduction in social welfare payments and cuts of between five and 15 percent in civil servant salaries.
ITALY:
The Italian government has approved austerity measures worth 24 billion euros for 2011-2012. They include a three-year freeze on pay for civil servants, wage cuts for ministers and new taxes for stock options and bonuses.
PORTUGAL:
Portugal has announced an austerity package including a rise in sales tax by one percentage point to 21 percent and a cut in salaries for public officials as well as an income tax surcharge for high earners.
The measures come on top of an austerity plan announced earlier this year that includes a delay in public investments and the sale of state assets, as well as reductions in salaries for civil servants.
SPAIN:
The Spanish parliament on May 28 approved by just one vote a 15-billion-euro austerity plan, which includes a pay cut for civil servants. The cuts are on top of a 50-billion-euro austerity package announced in January.
The measures include a pay freeze from 2011 for civil servants. Pensions, except for the poorest, will also be frozen in 2011.
Perhaps a simple comparison between British fiscal conservatives and American posers is in order.
The Tory/Liberal Democrat coalition are actually serious about tackling debt and the budget deficit. To that end they've announced plans to cut welfare, raise taxes on high earners and cut military spending. All tough moves politically but they seem willing to take the hit.
By comparison look at the America where the supposed "fiscal conservative" party just united to force the government to increase the deficit by another 700 billion. No tax raises are allowed to be considered. "Defense" spending is off limits, despite being at such absurd levels. Not only are Republicans not interested in tackling debt, all their oppositional policies have the end result of increasing it, just like they did in government. Every thing else is just empty rhetoric. It's hardly a tribute to the Tea Party they are so easily fooled by such obvious lies.
American politics are dysfunctional in this way. For the most part, smaller European countries with coherent politics are much more capable of tackling these sorts of problems.
IMHO, high taxes and austerity will never balance a budget because it’s a “ slow” death sentence for any economy.
Neither does it serve the well being or provide any future for the people.
You can only balance a budget by keeping spending/ bureaucracy in check and provide opportunity for everybody, rich and poor.
The freedom to work and earn your own money.
Clinton balanced the budget by creating a favorable environment for private enterprise big and small along with low taxes and a republican congress keeping spending in check, but NOT with austerity and high taxes.
I do not believe that European countries will be able to save their economies or the Euro with high taxes and increasing austerity.
That’s like paying for a 4 star hotel and getting a room in a flea-motel.
No value and not much incentive for people to work, start something or get ambitious with the state pouncing on their earnings whenever they feel like it.
These measures will at best preserve the states and their bureaucrats at the expense of the people, thus not serve them at all.
But it's up to the people to stand up to that by understanding that bureaucrats are not their friends and in great numbers bloodsuckers on the system.
IMHO, providing a careers in welfare or partial welfare instead of opportunity is a racket where the state takes a 100,- from you via taxes, VAT, high taxes on Energy, gas, water, bureaucratic fees …. And then gives you or someone else 25, - back, pretending that you just received FREE money.
You or someone else just paid 100, - to get that 25, -
I believe an economy is healthier if you keep 80, - of that 100,-, pay 20,- to the State in taxes and make them mange their 20,- as responsible as you will have to mange your 80, -, because there won’t be any FREE lunch around the corner neither for the state or you.
That is personal responsibility and opportunity.
Of course I am painting in broad strokes with the numbers but I think you know what I mean.
With G.W's and Obama's spending sprees, increasing size of government and the people (the left) screaming for welfare, we are veering of that path and it's high times get back to those principles which have served us relatively well in the past.
A Democratic President like Obama willing to go to the middle and a Republican congress is a good start but much work ahead.0 -
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And what about increases in the National Debt?East Texas wrote:Fact, most depressions and recessions had a Democratic Congress.
Time series of U.S. public debt overlaid with partisan affiliation of the White House. The upper graph shows the U.S. public debt in trillions of USD while the lower graph shows the U.S. public debt as a percentage of GDP. (Data are from the 2009 U.S. Budget.)
I too would like to see some figures on these recessionary claims you are making.
You imply that Osama Bin Laden was a Civilian?kaizer sauze wrote:You advocate the killing of civilians?
I have some figures I'd like you to look over, because that fairy tale slips past the other truth, which is that the magical $2 mark you glorify was still a doubling of the gas prices seen during the Clinton years.East Texas wrote:Everything was fine for six years — housing was up, unemployment was at 5.6 percent, gasoline hovered at the $2 mark.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_history.html
Isn't it depressing to see that we now pay Double what we did for gasoline under the Clinton Administration? Even with inflation a dollar of gasoline then is rough $1.60 now. Why did one gas station attempt to charge me as much as $3.20 on I-95 on monday? Not accounting for inflation it's Triple what we used to pay. But let's be reasonable. I thought we went into Iraq for oil, why am I paying twice as much as I should be, post-invasion?
Personally I blame it on whichever congress passed Subprime Lending.Kaizer Sauze wrote:Are you really going to pin the blame for this on Barney Frank?0 -
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@kaiser sauze
Just to let you know as a courtesy.
This is precisely why I did not respond to your below post to me.
Not interested in a combative and personalized discussion.
There is nothing more democratic but to disagree on stuff and to say so, but the continued decent into lack of civility in political discussions and even politics itself these days is a much greater threat to democracy IMHO then the different opinions and ideologies themselves.
By creating an environment where it's increasingly difficult to hear each other or perhaps explore the views of another for possible merit and come together what what we do agree on.
In other words you are defending the ability to lie, be called out on it and then use a mod warning on another matter entirely to cover up the fact that you cannot back up your lie.
I take it you are still not going to back up your claim? 0 -
I believe I already challenged the claim with data on the National Debt. I don't see what you hope to accomplish by harassing another poster further. If he wished to counterpoint my data he is welcome to. As it stands, I'm not convinced that Democratic Congresses are inherently recessionary, or that they oversee more recessions than Republican Congresses. Much less would I be willing to agree, without hard data, that those overseen recessions were in fact caused by the Democratic control.kaiser sauze wrote: »In other words you are defending the ability to lie, be called out on it and then use a mod warning on another matter entirely to cover up the fact that you cannot back up your lie.
I take it you are still not going to back up your claim?0 -
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