ENGLAND: Internet porn will be blocked to protect all children - Long Article

Biggins

Interesting item from the English Times - might it apply here eventually?
(We seem to adopt some of their ideas occasionally)

Internet porn will be blocked to protect all children
Instead of using parental controls to stop access to pornography — so-called 'opting out' — the tap will be turned off at source

The Government is to combat the early sexualisation of children by blocking internet pornography unless parents request it.

The move is intended to ensure that children are not exposed to sex as a routine by-product of the internet. It follows warnings about the hidden damage being done to children by sex sites.

The biggest broadband providers, including BT, Virgin Media and TalkTalk, are being called to a meeting next month by Ed Vaizey, the communications minister, and will be asked to change how pornography gets into homes.

Instead of using parental controls to stop access to pornography — so-called “opting out” — the tap will be turned off at source. Adults will then have to “opt in”.

Vaizey said: “This is a very serious matter. I think it is very important that it’s the ISPs that come up with solutions to protect children.
“I’m hoping they will get their acts together so we don’t have to legislate, but we are keeping an eye on the situation and we will have a new communications bill in the next couple of years.”

Claire Perry, the Tory MP for Devizes and a keen lobbyist for more restrictions, said: “Unless we show leadership, the internet industry is not going to self-regulate. The minister has said he will get the ISPs together and say, ‘Either you clean out your stables or we are going to do it for you’.

“There is this very uneasy sense for parents of children that we do not have to tolerate this Wild West approach. We are not coming at this from an anti-porn perspective. We just want to make sure our children aren’t stumbling across things we don’t want them to see.”

Previously the Internet Services Providers’ Association (ISPA) has told MPs that such a blanket ban would be expensive and technically difficult to operate.

But Miranda Suit, co-founder of the charity Safermedia, which held a conference on internet porn at the Commons last month, said: “Technically we know it can be done because the ISPs are already removing child porn after the government put pressure on them.

“In the past, internet porn was regarded as a moral issue or a matter of taste. Now it has become a mental health issue because we now know the damage it is causing. We are seeing perverse sexual behaviour among children. Legislation is both justifiable and feasible.”

She quoted the example of two underage brothers sentenced to at least five years’ detention this year for a sadistic sex attack on two other boys in South Yorkshire. The brothers were said to have had a “toxic” home life where they were exposed to pornography.

This weekend some ISPs appeared ready to introduce an “opt in” clause voluntarily. Andrew Heaney, executive director of strategy and regulation for TalkTalk, said: “Our objective was not to do what the politicians want us to do but to do what was right by our customers.
“If other companies aren’t going to do it of their own volition, then maybe they should be leant on. Legislation is a sledgehammer but it could work.”

A spokeswoman for Virgin Media said: “We already have an opt-in approach on mobiles. We’ve taken this approach as mobiles are taken out of the home — and kept in a pocket — whereas parents can control what happens within the home and online “We’re able to block sites, so it would be possible to do the same on the internet. It is just about finding the right approach.”

A spokesman for BT, which has a “clean feed” system to block access to illegal sites, said: “We do what we can to protect children.”
The ISPA did not return calls.

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krudler

Hear that sound? that was the sound of a million 14 year old boys fainting at once.

Son Of A Vidic

krudler wrote: »

Hear that sound? that was the sound of a million 14 year old boys fainting at once.

Boys?

strobe

Biggins wrote: »

Interesting item from the English Times - might it apply here eventually?
(We seem to adopt some of their ideas occasionally)

Internet porn will be blocked to protect all children
Instead of using parental controls to stop access to pornography — so-called 'opting out' — the tap will be turned off at source


http://img841.imageshack.us/i/wwwthesundaytimescouksts.jpg/

Won't everyone just be behind 7 proxies?

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But in all seriousness, the powers that be are getting very cheeky as of late. I think they have lost all track of the 'we can push them this far:here they start stringing us up' ratio. Silly people. Must history repeat its self every centuary.

Click this link to donate a history book to your local minster

rossie1977

if the web became popular in 1975 or 85 rather than 1995 all porn would be blocked here and still blocked :rolleyes:

easyeason3

So if I want to watch porn on you porn I need to get permission?
I'm asking for a friend is all...

orourkeda

Now I hate kids even more.

We're going to have to pay for it eventually too.

All because little johnny is acting the bollix.

strobe

Well now people, be fair....Sex is unnatural and immoral after all.

Dudess

Not saying I agree with this, but to be fair, porn - well hardcore anyway - isn't merely "sex".

orourkeda

strobe wrote: »

Well now people, be fair....Sex is unnatural and immoral after all.

Hence the need to whack off to squirt porn on redtube

Mrmoe

So will I have to fill in a form to watch redtube now? If parents took more responsibility for what their children do on the net then there would be no need for this.

krudler

Dudess wrote: »

Not saying I agree with this, but to be fair, porn - well hardcore anyway - isn't merely "sex".

if you wanna watch softcore, just watch True Blood :pac:

Dudess

Or Spartacus: Blood & Sand. Yowzers!

Sofaspud

This will cause a lot of jobs to be lost!

Less people will want internet now, so the ISPs and computer manufacturers will have a lot less demand.
I'll probably get rid of my laptop and go out into the real world to look for naked women!

But now it'll be much harder to find images of naked amputee transexuals fellating phallic fruit beside an inter-racial lesbian couple eating pancakes off each others bums! And that's the only thing I can get off to nowadays! :mad:

W.Shakes-Beer

they'll just start recording their parents at it, fap to it, become fúcked up, get hooked on cocaine, wear tropical shirts and think they're porn barons.

Creature

I don't want to see people peeing on each other, doesn't mean I want to go and ruin it for those who do.

I guess kids will just go back to looking at porno mags in the park like we did when I was young.

strobe

Dudess wrote: »

Not saying I agree with this, but to be fair, porn - well hardcore anyway - isn't merely "sex".

I agree. It's filthy nasty weird sex like stuff involving consenting adults. i.e none of anyones business, least of all the government's.

Wolfe Tone

Dont make us revert to using our imagination!!!

orourkeda

Looks like we're going to have to get creative when it comes to fanny hunting in future

Slugs

This a joke? o.O

Biggins

Slugs wrote: »

This a joke? o.O

No. Genuine.

orourkeda

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Dont make us revert to using our imagination!!!

We should stick with lube and cucumbers

Iguana Bob

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Dont make us revert to using our imagination!!!

THAT DOESNT WORK ANYMORE!!!!!! iv become dependant!!
There isnt enough hours in the day if i was trying to use my imagination

Slugs

It follows the success of an operation by most British ISP's to prevent people inadvertently viewing child porn websites

Yes, because how often have we browse the web looking for clothes only to find ourselves looking at a 6 year old russian quadriplegic in the missionary...

How reliable is this newspaper as a source... o.O Can't find it on SkyNews...

Ray Burkes Pension

Complete waste of time.
Block a site and it will move.

ISPs will be playing whack-a-mole with newly sprung up websites instead of the proper work of providing a service.

Also there's much to the internet than webpages. How do they even start trying to filter and ban all that?

If china cant do it, I cant wait to see Ireland's laughable attempts.

CorkMan

I think it is right. I remember being 8-9 years of age and I was in a field with my friends and we came across a porn magazine next to a couple of cans. I was shocked at what I saw as a child, I didn't know what sperm was or what a womens privates looked like.

Now when I reached 13, this all changed, but at that age porn definitely shouldn't have been near me.

Slugs

CorkMan wrote: »

I think it is right. I remember being 8-9 years of age and I was in a field with my friends and we came across a porn magazine next to a couple of cans. I was shocked at what I saw as a child, I didn't know what sperm was or what a womens privates looked like.

Now when I reached 13, this all changed, but at that age porn definitely shouldn't have been near me.

You're confusing an accidental occurence, e.g. finding a porn magazine in a field, to an intended occurence, e.g. searching for porn on the internet.

Dudess

strobe wrote: »

I agree. It's filthy nasty weird sex like stuff involving consenting adults.

Like pissing on each other, which isn't sex (might be a sexual fetish but not sex) - a 12-year-old seeing penetrative sex, fair enough, but don't know whether hardcore, messed-up stuff is ideal viewing just yet for some 12-year-olds.
But still, I completely disagree with this - if there's a child or children in the house and they have access to the internet, the parent(s) or guardian(s) already have the ability to regulate what can be viewed. Instead though, the responsibility becomes everyone's - pure nanny state sh1te.

Ray Burkes Pension

CorkMan wrote: »

I think it is right. I remember being 8-9 years of age and I was in a field with my friends and we came across a porn magazine next to a couple of cans. I was shocked at what I saw as a child, I didn't know what sperm was or what a womens privates looked like.

Now when I reached 13, this all changed, but at that age porn definitely shouldn't have been near me.

Kids should be educated properly about sex at a young age. Parents should be open and honest about sex. They shouldn't be finding this stuff out in fields with mates or on the internet.

strobe

Dudess wrote: »

Like pissing on each other, which isn't sex (might be a sexual fetish but not sex) - a 12-year-old seeing penetrative sex, fair enough, but don't know whether hardcore, messed-up stuff is ideal viewing just yet for some 12-year-olds.
But still, I completely disagree with this - if there's a child or children in the house and they have access to the internet, the parent(s) or guardian(s) already have the ability to regulate what can be viewed. Instead though, the responsibility becomes everyone's - pure nanny state sh1te.

I don't disagree on any particular point.

Wolfe Tone

Biggins is old, what did you do before internet porn?

Dudess

strobe wrote: »

I don't disagree on any particular point.

I'm just saying that, to be fair to those behind this move, I don't think it's based on sex being dirty and immoral type thinking, more a strategy, however ill advised, to prevent kids seeing the fucked up stuff.

strobe

Dudess wrote: »

I'm just saying that, to be fair to those behind this move, I don't think it's based on sex being dirty and immoral type thinking, more a strategy, however ill advised, to prevent kids seeing the fucked up stuff.

I disagree on every particular point.

Stinicker

They will quickly rescind this piece of nanny statish crap when they take a look at their sex crimes stats, this will lead to a massive increase in rape if they do truly try to censor the internet. No matter how they try to censor it there will always be ways around it and hackers will always get their warez out and be one step of the bumbling idiots behind them.

Porn like it or not is actually a large part of the economy and actually is worth more than the entire mainstream film industry in the United States alone, it has driven technological innovation and saw VHS win the format war over the superior Betamax format, VHS being chosen by the adult industry as format of choice. It is a major part of the online world and one of the big sellers and pushers of technology today.

Holybejaysus

So they want to stop the early sexualisation of children do they? Well maybe they should start with:

-pole dancing kits for children,
-bra's for pre-teen girls,
-clothes for kids that say things like 'sexy bitch',
-Rihanna/Pussycat Dolls/Christina Aguilera/any rapper making videos that resemble soft porn,


Sort this out and you will have 90% of the problem fixed. But as we all know, that isn't going to happen because there is too much money to be made in it.

Meteoric

The way I read is is the proposal is to make a p0rn filter the norm unless you opt out, you can opt out. But then you as the person who has the internet access are responsible for who uses it. Not the nameless faceless ISP, you. So if your kid watches porn because you opted in, it is your fault.
I'm totally not pro censorship but to me this seems not the worst, if you choose to allow your connection to accept porn, you have to take responsibility on how to prevent your kids watching the same stuff

K-9

Stinicker wrote: »

They will quickly rescind this piece of nanny statish crap when they take a look at their sex crimes stats, this will lead to a massive increase in rape if they do truly try to censor the internet.

LOL. So restrictions on internet porn means an increase in sex crimes stats.
Says it all really.

Stinicker wrote:

No matter how they try to censor it there will always be ways around it and hackers will always get their warez out and be one step of the bumbling idiots behind them.

Porn like it or not is actually a large part of the economy and actually is worth more than the entire mainstream film industry in the United States alone, it has driven technological innovation and saw VHS win the format war over the superior Betamax format, VHS being chosen by the adult industry as format of choice. It is a major part of the online world and one of the big sellers and pushers of technology today.

There's a big difference between a Playboy mag in my day (that was banned), or a Video tape that could have been got over the counter of Debbie does Dallas and what you get now on Redtube or other sites.

Young 14/15 year old lads shouldn't be seeing some of the stuff that is out there.

Yeah, hacks and ways around it will be found. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try and restrict some content.

What we seem to want is no net restrictions, whatsoever and let parents police access. Yet, as you say, teenagers will find ways around that.

The logical solution would be a strict age limit on access, not a click on this button coz I'm 18, button.

Unfortunately, the extremes seems to have taken over this debate and the middle ground is seen as conservative and prudish.

Wolfe Tone

They will quickly rescind this piece of nanny statish crap when they take a look at their sex crimes stats, this will lead to a massive increase in rape if they do truly try to censor the internet.

Yeah, in those few days my net was down I raped a dozen women.

starbelgrade

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Biggins is old, what did you do before internet porn?

The lingerie section of the mammy's mail order catalogue.

40 year old women in big lacy bras.

*fap fap*

strobe

K-9 wrote: »

LOL. So restrictions on internet porn means an increase in sex crimes stats.
Says it all really.



There's a big difference between a Playboy mag in my day (that was banned), or a Video tape that could have been got over the counter of Debbie does Dallas and what you get now on Redtube or other sites.

Young 14/15 year old lads shouldn't be seeing some of the stuff that is out there.

Yeah, hacks and ways around it will be found. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try and restrict some content.

What we seem to want is no net restrictions, whatsoever and let parents police access. Yet, as you say, teenagers will find ways around that.

The logical solution would be a strict age limit on access, not a click on this button coz I'm 18, button.

Unfortunately, the extremes seems to have taken over this debate and the middle ground is seen as conservative and prudish.

Try representing the middle ground so. Tip: The above is not it.

CrazyRabbit

"She quoted the example of two underage brothers sentenced to at least five years’ detention this year for a sadistic sex attack on two other boys in South Yorkshire. The brothers were said to have had a “toxic” home life where they were exposed to pornography."

Yet another case of blaming something inanimate when the cause is actually bad parenting. In the above case, internet porn did not cause these 2 brothers to act so horrendously, it was their parents.

I'm sick of this rubbish.

I don't like a lot of what is on the internet, but I cannot support censorship in any form. Once you allow it, censorship will continue to grow and the boundary of what is excluded will be pushed further and further back.

A better solution is to enforce an accurate & global categorisation of all web sites. Web sites that fall into certain classifications can then be blocked by individuals. Each person then chooses their own type of content.

Slugs

Same BS that Jack thompson tried to put the blame on video games for Virginia Tech because the kid played 'em

scientific1982

If I cant relieve myself a few times a day, people will suffer.

pablomakaveli

If the government here banned us from looking at internet porn i'd actually resort to terrorism.

I could set up a terror group called the Porn Liberation Front (PLF). I'd imagine we'd have a lot of members.

Degag

This reminds me of a guy i knew in school. One day we told him of this porn website to go on that night.

Next day we asked him how he got on... He told us he couldn't get into the website. When the website asked him to enter his date of birth, the idiot kept on putting in his real d.o.b. He got ribbed for that for a long time!

whatsamsn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-TA57L0kuc

Someone had to post it hahaha.

strobe

pablomakaveli wrote: »

If the government here banned us from looking at internet porn i'd actually resort to terrorism.

I could set up a terror group called the Porn Liberation Front (PLF). I'd imagine we'd have a lot of members.

Splitter!!!

bronte

Pfft...If they take all the porn off the internet there'll only be one website left and it'll be called "Bring back the porn"

Ray Burkes Pension

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Yet another case of blaming something inanimate when the cause is actually bad parenting. In the above case, internet porn did not cause these 2 brothers to act so horrendously, it was there parents.

I'm sick of this rubbish.

I don't like a lot of what is on the internet, but I cannot support censorship in any form. Once you allow it, censorship will continue to grow and the boundary of what is excluded will be pushed further and further back.

A better solution is to enforce an accurate & global categorisation of all web sites. Web sites that fall into certain classifications can then be blocked by individuals. Each person then chooses their own type of content.

You can already do this.
http://www.opendns.com/solutions/household/parental/
That's a simple to set up, free, opt in solution.

TheReverend

It is the parents job to supervise there children on the internet, it isnt ****ing hard to do.

Step 1:
Have computer in the living room

Step 2:
Put password on said computer

Step 3:
Use a site blocker(there are many free ones such as opendns)

Step 4:
Only let your kid use the net while you are there

Is it really that hard?

Also http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/fr/rss/

flynnlives

your missing the point lads!

first it was file sharing, then wikileaks, now net neutrality and now this.
The powers that be will stop at nothing to control and censor the internet.

I fear the best days of the internet will soon be behind us.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.