7 months pregnant- getting a seat on train?

naughty1205

Hi,
I am 7 months pregnant and have recently been transferred to Dublin City Centre with my job, which means getting the train for a 40 min journey each way. I am just wondering if anyone else in a similar position could give me advice around getting a seat- do I ask someone to let me sit down or just grin and bear it?! I am just finding it difficult to stand for so long as I have a bad back. Some elderly woman offered me her seat today but I would never take the seat of someone who should also have one! I know everyone pays for their ticket and are as entitled to their seat as me, but am just wondering what people think. Thanks for your advice.

naughty

Vanbis

naughty1205 wrote: »

Hi,
I am 7 months pregnant and have recently been transferred to Dublin City Centre with my job, which means getting the train for a 40 min journey each way. I am just wondering if anyone else in a similar position could give me advice around getting a seat- do I ask someone to let me sit down or just grin and bear it?! I am just finding it difficult to stand for so long as I have a bad back. Some elderly woman offered me her seat today but I would never take the seat of someone who should also have one! I know everyone pays for their ticket and are as entitled to their seat as me, but am just wondering what people think. Thanks for your advice.

naughty

Well if they have manners and a bit of common sense they will offer their seat. A pregrant woman shouldn't have to ask for seat. If you have to ask they should be embarrassed.

If they don't offer just ask, some people are clueless and ignorant.

Congrats and good luck.

January

Ask for it! Don't expect to be given one, you'll be sorely disappointed! I was left standing on the bus right up until my last day in work with my first daughter, I was too timid to ask for a seat and no one offered one either.

patwicklow

its bad aint it when no one would give up there seat to a pregnant women or an old person. i dont travel by bus or train much but if i saw some one that was pregnant or elderly id gladly give up my seat with out a second tought.

naughty1205

thank you all for your answers. My husband keeps telling me to ask but I am also too embarrassed! I know there are priority seats just near the door that I hover around but no luck. I don't want to embarrass anyone either by asking. Maybe when I am fit to pop I might get lucky :rolleyes:
Adrienne- I can't believe you had to try and stay standing on a bus! At least the train goes in a straight line!
I think I might do what others do and just plonk myself down on the floor, but might not be able to get back up!

thanks again,
villager

bob the bob

In London, the Tube people will send you a badge saying "baby on board".

http://finkangel.blogspot.com/2009/03/free-baby-on-board-badge-tfl.html

Great for the early months when you are really tired and sick, and where you're not obviously pregnant yet.

Maybe there is an equivalent in Ireland?
Alternatively, there seem to be loads of types available on the web

http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=baby%20on%20board%20badge&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wf

Squiggler

OP, you totally have my sympathy. Six months pregnant here, take the LUAS to/from work every day and have the same problem. People are just so oblivious.

It's one thing having to stand on a Luas for 15 or so minutes, but if I was going to be on a train for 40 minutes I would definitely be asking someone to please let me have their seat.

Is it possible to ask your work to allow you more flexible working hours? To avoid the worst of peak times and make it more likely that I will get a seat I start earlier and leave earlier. Might be worth asking about it.

get_d_hand_in

Anyone with any manners/proper upbringin will offer you their seat straight away.

You be suprised some people may not see the difficulty and if you ask will only be delighted to give you their seat.

Others just ignorent!!!

Just ask for a seat and you'll have no problems.

I'm a lad by the way and thats my 2 cents.

Goodluck

Vanbis

naughty1205 wrote: »

thank you all for your answers. My husband keeps telling me to ask but I am also too embarrassed! I know there are priority seats just near the door that I hover around but no luck. I don't want to embarrass anyone either by asking.

OP, depnding on what train station you get on at you should walk to the very top of the platform and you should get a seat alot easier. That was my tip when i used the train and always worked well for me.

cynder

I'm not surprised you can get a seat, I went to Switzerland with a group of 30 seriously ill children, my daughter being one of them, we had to get the shuttle form the plane to the airport, Do you think that any of the swiss adults offer any of the obviously sick kids seats, NOT A HOPE.


I spotted a boy with down syndrome who could not walk and i kept a seat for him making my own daughter stand(i also stood), i found out later not only did he have down syndrome he was deaf and had leukemia.

If a person wont give it to a seriously ill child who cant walk they aren't going to give it to a pregnant lady.

MarkR

You may be falling victim to the worry that all men have. Is she fat, or is she pregnant?

Offer your seat to a fat bird once, and you'll never forget it...

bob the bob

MarkR wrote: »

You may be falling victim to the worry that all men have. Is she fat, or is she pregnant?

Offer your seat to a fat bird once, and you'll never forget it...

Never presume a woman is pregnant unless you can actually see a baby coming out of her It's the only safe way.

naughty1205

grindelwald wrote: »

I'm not surprised you can get a seat, I went to Switzerland with a group of 30 seriously ill children, my daughter being one of them, we had to get the shuttle form the plane to the airport, Do you think that any of the swiss adults offer any of the obviously sick kids seats, NOT A HOPE.


I spotted a boy with down syndrome who could not walk and i kept a seat for him making my own daughter stand(i also stood), i found out later not only did he have down syndrome he was deaf and had leukemia.

If a person wont give it to a seriously ill child who cant walk they aren't going to give it to a pregnant lady.

that is just terrible. So sad. It would really make you question humanity alright.

Thanks again for all your replies. I will definitely walk to the top of the platform and maybe even mention it to my manager regarding the times etc and perhaps get an earlier or later train. Must look up those badges too.
thanks again, appreciate it.
Best of luck with the rest of your pregnancy Squiggler, took me years to get here myself!

villager

Squiggler

MarkR wrote: »

You may be falling victim to the worry that all men have. Is she fat, or is she pregnant?

Offer your seat to a fat bird once, and you'll never forget it...

Yes, I think this is probably part of it too. And in this weather, with bulky clothes and coats it's even more difficult to tell. Make sure you look pregnant?

Edit: Thanks, hope the rest of your pregnancy goes well too

Das Kitty

OP, do ask for a seat, it'll get easier the more you do it. There's no point being in pain.

Wolfe Tone

Id be wary of offering tbh, is she actually preggers? Is she one of those women who will lose the plot "Im not made of glass"

xzanti

I went to my GP last night for the flu vaccine, walked into a packed waiting room with a mix of (fairly able bodied looking) men and a couple of women.. I'm 5 days overdue and not one man stood up.. one of the women stood up and insisted I take her seat.. I was mortified taking it off her but she wouldn't take no for an answer, bless her.. My OH was fuming, but what can you do??

Anyway my point is, don't expect manners, you might be lucky, but don't take it too personally if they don't offer you the seat..

Another thing that I've noticed are the amount of men who take up seats in the Rotunda Out Patients waiting area, I've seen men having to be asked by nurses to give up their seats for pregnant women.. It's sickening!

January

xzanti wrote: »

I went to my GP last night for the flu vaccine, walked into a packed waiting room with a mix of (fairly able bodied looking) men and a couple of women.. I'm 5 days overdue and not one man stood up.. one of the women stood up and insisted I take her seat.. I was mortified taking it off her but she wouldn't take no for an answer, bless her.. My OH was fuming, but what can you do??

Anyway my point is, don't expect manners, you might be lucky, but don't take it too personally if they don't offer you the seat..

Another thing that I've noticed are the amount of men who take up seats in the Rotunda Out Patients waiting area, I've seen men having to be asked by nurses to give up their seats for pregnant women.. It's sickening!

That was a complete bugbear of mine when I attended the Rotunda, some men can be so clueless and it's horrible that the midwives have to go round literally shouting at the men to get up off the seats and let the women sit down. It's a maternity hospital!!!

username123

OP - practice a few times before you do it so you have the wording right, but something along the lines of 'Excuse me, could I possibly have that seat please, Im pregnant/expecting and in quite a lot of pain with my back?'.

Say it loud enough so not only the person youre asking hears it - but those nearby, for 2 reasons:
1 - it might embarrass someone who would otherwise not give up the seat to give it up and
2 - in the case of the person you ask needing the seat themselves (sprained ankle or whatever) someone nearby will overhear and may offer up a seat when they see the one you asked isnt.

Dont be afraid to be upfront and reasonably loud asking (not strident but sort of practical jolly hockey sticks type loudness). So long as you are actually polite I dont see an issue with asking at all.

How Strange

This is my BIG bugbear. I'm 34 weeks; have been pregnant ie bump for 10 weeks. I get the luas twice a day and I'd say out if 10 weeks x 5 days I've been offered a seat 5 or 6 times and ALWAYS by a woman.

The men suddenly become very engrossed in their newspaper, phone, finger nails whatever to avoid eye contact because if they can't see you then it's ok.

I'm shocked. I'd always give my seat up for an older person, pregnant woman, woman with a small child.

I've changed my working hours so I start at 8 to avoid peak time travel because I'd faint if I had to stand in a packed carriage and I need to sit down. Ultimately this means I work a longer day as I still stay until 5.30

The men taking up seats in the maternity hospital when it's packed also bothers me. Even worse is when the whole family are there taking up seats. Surely dad could bring the kids off somewhere for 30 mins.

Argh! The level of rudeness astounds me and believe me there's no question that I'm pregnant. Sometimes I'd love to start clutching my belly and moan really loudly like I'm going into labour just to see if Irish men are so oblivious/rude as to ignore that too.

ladypip

This is also major gripe of mine

When i was about 6 months pregnant three years ago there was a VERY heavily pregnant girl standing on the packed bus in the middle of a very hot June day i could see she was struggling to even stay standing so i got up and offered her my seat but not before i said to her very loudly its a shame when the only person who will give you a seat is another pregnant lady.
You should have seen them hop out of their seats!!! Its disgusting to watch someone struggle like that and stay seated.

When i was heavily pregnant myself i didn't have a problem asking for a seat at all.

If i were you and you were that much in pain id ask for a seat don't be embarrassed at all you deserve it.

Vel

I used to worry and stress so much about this when I was pregnant. I'm the first to give out about most things but I genuinely do think a huge amount of it is down to the fact that people just aren't sure if the woman is pregnant or not, particularly in winter when people have lots of layers on. Even I sometimes have found myself staring really hard trying to work out if the lady is pregnant or not.

I work with two women who carry all their excess weight around their stomachs and they both genuinely look quite heavily pregnant and I think would be mortified if they were offered a seat. I have also witnessed some poor guy offer his seat to a woman who turned out not to be pregnant and it was excrutiating for all concerned.

I do think, myself included that pregnant women can get caught up in their own little world of pregnancy and forget that not everyone is part of it!! I know, particularly in the mornings, I get on the Luas and don't pay attention to anyone around me so could easily miss a pregnant lady!

I think those people chewing their nails and fiddling with their mobile phones are probably going through what I have gone through in the past - the 'is she or isn't she' 'do I offer or don't I' internal terror:D

So, as others have said, just ask and I think it would be a horrible, nasty person who would say no, although I do remember seeing a series of 'letters' in the Metro from both men and women justifying not giving up their seats because pregnancy is a choice and not an illness :rolleyes:

Moonbeam

I commute every day previously on the Drogheda train and now on the Maynooth train,on the Drogheda train I nearly always had to ask for a seat,on the Maynooth train I haven't yet but have sat on the floor once or twice.
When I do get offered seats I have to say it is nearly always young men in their 30's so I reckon that they had pregnant wives or recently had kids:)
some people act very put out when you ask most are embarassed that they didn't see you or offer already.

cynder

Vel wrote: »

So, as others have said, just ask and I think it would be a horrible, nasty person who would say no, although I do remember seeing a series of 'letters' in the Metro from both men and women justifying not giving up their seats because pregnancy is a choice and not an illness :rolleyes:

Ive been told on here that *pregnancy is not an illness!


* when i said " i took out life insurance when i found out i was pregnant at 18 in case i died during labour, that the baby would be looked after". Made me feel that i was stupid for thinking such a thing, I was being anything but stupid I was being responsible.

People say different things to suit their own situations so they only have to think about themselves and not anyone else. You would find any woman in that frame of mind (choice and not an illness) gets pregnant would expect seats given to them, I suppose in some cases unless someone has been there and done that they lack empathy, others do have empathy and that why they give up their seats.

Jinxi

Not all men are the same. One of the things that made me fall for my OH is he always gave up his seat for elderly and pregnat ladies. Even when I met him at 18 with long hair and a Sepultura t-shirt.
Also, I have been offered seats on public transport by men. And I took them, too embarassed to tell them I was just fat.:D

amdublin

Yes if you feel you need a seat you should definitely ask.

amacachi

Seriously, ask. It only takes someone putting their foot in it once to stop them from offering again.

Butterflylove

I know im pregnant myself been around pregnant women my life and I still find it hard to tell everyones bump is so different I have a bump myself but with my HUGE coat you wouldnt even know, Im luckly get my bus early enough to get seat,


Also the whole its not an illness its a choice I wonder what their mothers would say if put with the same question :rolleyes: I have certainly suffered worst then any illness Ive had lol,
I would reply the seats are there for women in our position to have, at the end of the day its a question of manners!

Rodin

Jinxi wrote: »

Not all men are the same. One of the things that made me fall for my OH is he always gave up his seat for elderly and pregnat ladies. Even when I met him at 18 with long hair and a Sepultura t-shirt.
Also, I have been offered seats on public transport by men. And I took them, too embarassed to tell them I was just fat.:D

And there ye have it

bunty2008

Agree - Maybe your bump is not as huge as it should be? When I was pregnant, I consoled myself with the old school of thought - "I'd rather be pregnant and standing than fat and sitting" if you know what I mean.

But do ask. You'll need to get brave - it's only going to get harder.

Take care, and congrats:)

metrovelvet

Because the feminists yapped on for years 'its a pregnancy not a disability' this pleasant ritual of consideration is now considered an insulting gesture.

When I was heavily pregnant in the hot hot summer of New York City the only people to offer a seat were hispanic men, the last remaining bastions of good old fashioned sexism, and goddammit I was thankful being 200 lbs with water retention.

All the white middle class men have this internal dialogue to justify their selfishness

Thank you Gloria Steinem.

naughty1205

thank you for all your replies, and insight, it's very interesting to read!
I am going to pluck up the courage and ask. I am totally aware that it was my own decision to get pregnant (granted it took years!) which I why I suppose I am so slow to ask for a seat- everyone has paid for their ticket just like me.
Anyway, a New Years resolution is on the cards for me...am at home sick with a chest infection now so avoiding any 'situations' for another week!
thanks again, much appreciated,

naughty

Nevyn

Tickets only entitle you to travel they do not entitle the bearer to a seat, those are the by laws and you agree to them when you buy a ticket but those same by laws stipulate that seats are given up if someone is in greater need of it then you are.

It comes down to good manners more then anything else imho, seems they have not been passed on to the younger generations who are frankly selfish. So do ask and hopefully there will be people who have manners who will be respectful of the fact you are expecting and give you a seat.

Wolfe Tone

Should a woman give up her seat for an old man, or as was my case a guy on crutches?

Turner

op ask any male up to the age of 70.

99.9% will be more than happy to offer up their seat.

opinion guy

metrovelvet wrote: »

Because the feminists yapped on for years 'its a pregnancy not a disability' this pleasant ritual of consideration is now considered an insulting gesture.

When I was heavily pregnant in the hot hot summer of New York City the only people to offer a seat were hispanic men, the last remaining bastions of good old fashioned sexism, and goddammit I was thankful being 200 lbs with water retention.

All the white middle class men have this internal dialogue to justify their selfishness

Thank you Gloria Steinem.

Reminds me of something - few years back was in New York on the subway. There was a guy who was older than death on the train so I offered him my seat. He said no thanks and was sort of borderline annoyed with me for offering. Next stop this biiiiiigggggg Texan with long rock hair cut and a cowboy hat gets on. sees the old guy, see me. THen say to me loudly so everyone can hear and he's making a scene "What kind a man are you letting an old guy stand......blah blah....rant rant...."

Before I can respond the old guy pipes up and says I did offer him the seat and he said no. Everyone laughs at cowboy and he acts suitably sheepish. Priceless


OP I'd offer you my seat if I saw you!

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MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Should a woman give up her seat for an old man, or as was my case a guy on crutches?

Well, did he end up on crutches because he was out feeding the needy in a snowstorm, or did he choose to engage in a risky activity like skiing?

Just kidding of course! Obviously anyone able bodied should get off their ass for someone either old or disabled. I never take a seat when a train or bus is packed and I am fit and well, because lots of disabilities are not obvious and I wouldn't feel right sitting down when I'm young and fit and there are other people almost certainly more deserving.

Metrovelvet, I think assholes like you describe would be looking for an excuse not to get up no matter what. Twenty years ago they'd have latched on to a lack of a wedding ring or the fact you shouldn't be travelling alone.

The 'Is she preggo or not' question is actually worse for old people IMO. 'Is he old enough, or is he going to be really offended I think he's ancient'? But you just have to suck it up. It's not like you say, 'Hey preggo/oldie, want a rest?'. You stand up, smile at the person, point at the seat, and say 'please, would you like to sit down?'. I've done it before just because someone looked faint in a hot carriage. If someone ranted at me (eg, 'am I made of glass'), it wouldn't bother me. It reflects badly on them, not me. I'd rather be able to look myself in the eye on this than leave old people or pregnant women or people on crutches standing because there's a slim chance they're a lunatic who will rant at me.

bulmersgal

i never had problem getting a seat on the bus, i sometimes used to be embarrassed taking it. I found it worse at the start when i had horrible morning sickness and actually needed to sit but couldn't. The finally weeks i actually preferred to stand but if somebody offered seat i would accept rather then make a scene.

Now with baby I find its the people you don't expect hold the door open when your pushing buggy and snotty women nearly shove the door back in your face.

ChewChew

as alot have said here, it definitely is a case of people being ignorant and turning their head. but OP you should ask, any kind natured human being would not mind giving up a seat for you.

I was in the doctors surgery yesterday even and there was myself, a very elderly woman and two men who I would say were in their 50's and a young woman approached the door to the surgery who is heavily pregnant and has a buggy and struggles with the door and the two men completely ignored the woman. I got up and opened the door for her, which I had no problem doing, but the two men were sitting right beside the door, I was the far end of the room! :rolleyes:

Nevyn

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Should a woman give up her seat for an old man, or as was my case a guy on crutches?

If she is an able bodied person then yes she should.

Moonbeam

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Should a woman give up her seat for an old man, or as was my case a guy on crutches?

I always give my seat up to anyone that I deem more in need of it then me being male or female is not an issue.

Squiggler

It has been my experience so far that the most likely people to offer a seat are:
Non-Irish Europeans (male or female), followed by middle-aged Irish Women and young (early 20's or younger) Irish men.

Least likely are young Irish Women, closely followed by Irish males.

My commute is beginning to cause an active dislike of my fellow Irish Citizens. Yesterday I had to bite my tongue to avoid yelling "My baby is not some F*****g cushion for you to lean against!" at an Irish couple in their 30's who were crowding me for no good reason.

How Strange

Squiggler wrote: »

It has been my experience so far that the most likely people to offer a seat are:
Non-Irish Europeans (male or female), followed by middle-aged Irish Women and young (early 20's or younger) Irish men.

Least likely are young Irish Women, closely followed by Irish males.

My commute is beginning to cause an active dislike of my fellow Irish Citizens.

I have to disagree based on my personal experience. Women, of all ages and nationalities, offered me a seat. Men, irrespective of age and nationality, never did.

I know its been said here that you should ask for a seat but as gobby and fortright as I am I'm not yet strong enough in character to risk a person refusing me a seat or down right ignoring me in public. I just don't want that kind of confrontation at a time when I'm trying to remain calm and stressfree.

Yesterday I had to bite my tongue to avoid yelling "My baby is not some F*****g cushion for you to lean against!" at an Irish couple in their 30's who were crowding me for no good reason.

Its for that particular reason that I was getting a train at 7am since 26 weeks.

Some one asked here recently if a woman should give up a seat for a man on crutches. Of course. It's down to basic manners really. I always give me seat up for anyone who needs it more than I do and when it comes to older people I usually say I'm getting off at the next stop anyway so they might as well take it now before the hordes pounce on it in a few minutes. I offered my seat a few weeks ago to a blind man with a sighted companion on the luas because it was packed. They couldn't tell that I was pregnant as I was sitting down. They declined but thanked me for the offer.

soupdrinker

In the past I have offered my seat to pregnant women and elderly people - some accept with gratitude others start ranting "Im not sick Im only pregant" or "I'm perfectly able to stand" etc etc.

Sometimes I do see somebody who may be pregnant or might not and I don't want to offend someone.

Otherwise bear in mind that on packed trains etc particulary if someone has a seat at a window you can only actually see one or two people who are standing near to you so you can't actually see if someone is pregnant if there are crowds around you. If you are pregnant don't stand down around the doors cos people won't be able to see if you are pregnant!

Also don't assume that someone sitting down is able bodied and should get up. Some women sitting down may be pregnan (although not visibly) or may have a sore back or other problems that they cannot stand on long journeys themselves......

NextSteps

How Strange wrote: »

I have to disagree based on my personal experience. Women, of all ages and nationalities, offered me a seat. Men, irrespective of age and nationality, never did.

I've been offered seats by a middle-aged Irish woman and a young foreign (South American?) man.

cynder

Moonbeam wrote: »

I always give my seat up to anyone that I deem more in need of it then me being male or female is not an issue.

I remember when i was pregnant with the last guy i was 30+ weeks and had sciatica on both sides, this old guy walks up to me in the cue and says can he skip me as he has sciatica, i did feel sorry for him so i let him pass, but only a few seconds later i nearly fainted.

Not matter what stage of pregnancy i was at standing in a cue always made me feel faint, My bp is normally 103/62 which is the lower side of average, so when it drops IT DROPS.

Squiggler

How Strange wrote: »

Its for that particular reason that I was getting a train at 7am since 26 weeks.

Unfortunately I don't have much control over when I can leave work. I generally end up standing in the elements from 20-40 minutes for a LUAS that doesn't look TOO crowded to get on to safely, which is not fun in the current weather.

NextSteps wrote: »

I've been offered seats by a middle-aged Irish woman and a young foreign (South American?) man.

Which sounds pretty close to what I've experienced. At least the Christmas rush will be over soon and things will be a bit less hectic.

vibe666

you could always carry a water balloon with you in your bag and at a suitable time whilst you're standing there grab your stomach and moan as you double up and launch the balloon in between your feet.

i'm sure someone would get up then.

despite having a slipped disc and being on all sorts of medication, i'd always get up to let someone more needy sit down on public transport but i seem to be very much in the minority and its a real shame.

i was on a bus once and it was packed to the rafters and it stopped to let one person off at a stop with about 8 people waiting to get on. the driver said "just one" and this young guy in a suit pushed past a heavily pregnant woman to get on. he had one foot on the step of the bus when a hand reached out from behind him and grabbed him by the scruff of the neck and pulled him backwards out of the bus. it was an old guy well into his 60's and he gave such a scowl to the guy in the suit he didn't say a word, at which point the old guy helped the woman onto the bus. when she got on, everyone parted to let her through and the first person she came to let her sit down in their seat.

it was a great little moment and helped to restore a little of my faith in humanity, but it was short lived and i've seen some awful things since.

Squiggler

34 weeks completed now and beginning to be of the opinion that a smile and thank you isn't sufficient reward for the few people out there with any manners or consideration for others. We should be able to issue gold stars or something

I'm tired of being pushed in front of, shoved and squashed when I'm trying to let people off the LUAS before getting on. And every journey that I end up standing while being stared at by the perfectly fit and healthy young men occupying the priority seats I become more convinced that this country is going down the toilet. So, when a young man saw me get on, got up and gave me his seat this morning before we'd even pulled away 'thank you' really didn't seem sufficient recognition. I can't help feeling that he and his parents (or whoever raised him) deserve some kind of medal.

At least I only have 4 more weeks of the daily work commute to look forward to.

wolfpawnat

Ireland has lost all it's chivalry. Only person to EVER offer me a seat was an elderly man on the Luas when I was 37 weeks. I had a very good pregnancy so I didn't mind standing BUT there was a group of secondary school boys there and they were too busy playing their ipods to offer anyone a seat!

My son's father was on crouches and was clearly in a lot of pain before and people would push past him onto transport and he would never be offered a seat!

A few women play the "oh I am pregnant" card for a few things, bathrooms, seats and everything. It is really annoying, at the Paul McCartney concert the mens toilets were filled with women who were all "pregnant".

The world has gone to shíte! Everyone is self obsessed. People should be shamed into behaving like human beings again!

Moonbeam

I would just ask them for seats,the worst they can say is no then everyone else with scowl at them while not giving you their seats:)

I remember a teenage boy nearly dying of embarassment on the train one morning because I was standing and he had a seat and didn't notice until he turned to get something from his bag , saw me and offered me his seat while appologising had he seen me sooner he would have given me his seat sooner.
I smiled to myself:)