Fuel Prices

PAULWATSON

Seems no one here seems to give a damn. Petrol prices are now almost back up to their 2008 peak of 1.45. What a scam, seems like the 5c carbon tax every six months starts to add up, eh?

"ah, sure it is only two euros on a tank" Death by a thousand cuts, pal.

(Carbon tax to prevent global warming, while it freezes at -7 outside, classic scam).

CountingCrows

What's your point?

Cookie_Monster

CountingCrows wrote: »

What's your point?

nothing, just another ill fated rant of his

PAULWATSON

CountingCrows wrote: »

What's your point?

my point?

Ardennes1944

Dont rant on this, use your vote. it's our only power

PAULWATSON

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

nothing, just another ill fated rant of his

rant, do you hand over €100 for a fill while bowing down to thank your overlords?

R.O.R

You're right you know.

In response to this ridiculous price of fuel I'm going to do 3 things.

1.) Start my own Oil company and produce my own fuel. That should be reasonable to do.

2.) Until I can produce enough fuel for my usage, I'm not going to drive anywhere. This has the downside that I can't get to work, will lose my job and end up homeless an pennyless. But at least the b@stards aren't getting my income tax (score 2 to the little man).

3.) I'm also goint to pointlessly rant about this on the Internetz.

Tea 1000

PAULWATSON wrote: »

rant, do you hand over €100 for a fill while bowing down to thank your overlords?

Why? What do you do? Fill your tank and give the two fingers to the security camera and drive away?

Cookie_Monster

PAULWATSON wrote: »

rant, do you hand over €100 for a fill while bowing down to thank your overlords?

no

PAULWATSON

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Why? What do you do? Fill your tank and give the two fingers to the security camera and drive away?

Here is one thing i do, I ask the little prick for a receipt, seems that nowadays handing over a ton does not even deserve a receipt. But then again you can be sure the little prick is selling the receipt to a local business man to claim back the VAT.

Ever noticed that?

R.O.R

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Here is one thing i do, I ask the little prick for a receipt, seems that nowadays handing over a ton does not even deserve a receipt. But then again you can be sure the little prick is selling the receipt to a local business man to claim back the VAT.

Ever noticed that?

I'd say they are delighted to be getting your business :rolleyes:

PAULWATSON

R.O.R wrote: »

I'd say they are delighted to be getting your business :rolleyes:

About as delighted as I am to give it!

hi_im_fil

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Here is one thing i do, I ask the little prick for a receipt, seems that nowadays handing over a ton does not even deserve a receipt. But then again you can be sure the little prick is selling the receipt to a local business man to claim back the VAT.

Ever noticed that?

Why are you calling the person working at the till a prick? Nine times out of ten they only work there part time and dont set the prices.

PAULWATSON

hi_im_fil wrote: »

Why are you calling the person working at the till a prick? Nine times out of ten they only work there part time and dont set the prices.

I don't always use that word, however the person is being sly by pocketing the receipt.

hi_im_fil

Just because they don't give you a reciept you think they keep it for themselves?

PAULWATSON

hi_im_fil wrote: »

Just because they don't give you a reciept you think they keep it for themselves?

Pal, we are not living in goodie goodie land. That receipt is as good as cash in the right hands.

Cookie_Monster

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Pal, we are not living in goodie goodie land. That receipt is as good as cash in the right hands.

sure they can just reprint it anyway, whether you take it or not.

PAULWATSON

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

sure they can just reprint it anyway, whether you take it or not.

But that's fraud, having the original is not. You get the point?

FitFeet

Petrol is only half the problem, was in the tax office in Ballymun yesterday paying the car tax and there was nobody in the place! I think people are parking the cars up and walking and using public transport, too bloody expensive to drive! Good for my business if people decide to do more walking and running tho

hi_im_fil

So are you saying that the person on the till is keeping as many reciepts as they can (which would amount to thousands of euro over one shift) so they can make a bit of extra money?

PAULWATSON

hi_im_fil wrote: »

So are you saying that the person on the till is keeping as many reciepts as they can (which would amount to thousands of euro over one shift) so they can make a bit of extra money?

The shock. :eek:


Sure no one in this country would ever be involved in a bit of skullduggery!.

Evil_Clown

hi_im_fil wrote: »

So are you saying that the person on the till is keeping as many reciepts as they can (which would amount to thousands of euro over one shift) so they can make a bit of extra money?

Yea in the gold 4 receipts shop....

PAULWATSON

Evil_Clown wrote: »

Yea in the receipts 4 gold shop....

Never ran a business have you?

Alanstrainor

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Here is one thing i do, I ask the little prick for a receipt, seems that nowadays handing over a ton does not even deserve a receipt. But then again you can be sure the little prick is selling the receipt to a local business man to claim back the VAT.

Ever noticed that?

There's no need for that language at all.

I wont even get involved with the rest of the post, but keep the above in mind when posting.

PAULWATSON

Alanstrainor wrote: »

There's no need for that language at all.

I wont even get involved with the rest of the post, but keep the above in mind when posting.

Sorry pal, just git a little heated at times.

dr.fuzzenstein

I'm getting the dodgy diesel from Limerick Fuels, 1.26 at the moment.

Cookie_Monster

PAULWATSON wrote: »

But that's fraud, having the original is not. You get the point?

having the original if you did not pay for it is also fraud.

PAULWATSON

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

having the original if you did not pay for it is also fraud.

And with a cash sale how would that be proven?

UpTheSlashers

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Here is one thing i do, I ask the little prick for a receipt, seems that nowadays handing over a ton does not even deserve a receipt. But then again you can be sure the little prick is selling the receipt to a local business man to claim back the VAT.

Ever noticed that?

Have you ever been refused a receipt?

hi_im_fil

PAULWATSON wrote: »

And with a cash sale how would that be proven?

:rolleyes: Its still fraud

caseyann

I am disgusted,i put in 20 euro in the car which fills normally half a tank and only hit the 10 euro mark:mad: Irish getting screwed all directions. Has the road tax gone up yet?

langdang

It's a top down engineered conspiracy.....
I'm beside myself with rage, Joe

Cookie_Monster

PAULWATSON wrote: »

And with a cash sale how would that be proven?

if it was easy to prove, no one would be doing it...

Cookie_Monster

caseyann wrote: »

I am disgusted,i put in 20 euro in the car which fills normally half a tank and only hit the 10 euro mark:mad: Irish getting screwed all directions. Has the road tax gone up yet?

your petrol gauge has little Euro symbols on it?

and no road tax has not gone up cos there is no such thing. Motor tax has not gone up either.

Max Power1

hi_im_fil wrote: »

Just because they don't give you a reciept you think they keep it for themselves?

Ah sure dont you know, the well profitable reciepts black market?:D

The drug dealers are even giving reciepts now:rolleyes:

Max Power1

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

your petrol gauge has little Euro symbols on it?

and no road tax has not gone up cos there is no such thing. Motor tax has not gone up either.

thank fcuk

we will be at the €2/litre mark within 12 months. Have we reached the point of diminishing return?

caseyann

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

your petrol gauge has little Euro symbols on it?

and no road tax has not gone up cos there is no such thing. Motor tax has not gone up either.

I have stuck them on every time i fill up so i know how much they are ripping me off.;)
You might be able to say oh this and that about a car,i watch the gauge,before other day 20 euro filled half tank now it doesn't.It only fills to what it would be if you had previously put in 10 euro.And that is a damn right huge hike.
And no need to be smart arse because you knew exactly what i meant :rolleyes:

brennarr

A lot of smart responses here today. It must be a touchy subject.

caseyann

brennarr wrote: »

A lot of smart responses here today. It must be a touchy subject.

Petrol station owners all aboard :pac:

caseyann

Max Power1 wrote: »

thank fcuk

we will be at the €2/litre mark within 12 months. Have we reached the point of diminishing return?

Oh give it a chance its coming

Hal1

I have noticed a few stations coming down in price, not much but cheapest I've seen is €1.40cpl from €1.44cpl last week. I reckon this will be short lived with the renewed cold spell. :mad:

caseyann

Question what would happen if all abandoned their cars and stopped driving altogether? Paying nothing for petrol and nothing for tax on car.No more NCT's etc...

langdang

caseyann wrote: »

Question what would happen if all abandoned their cars and stopped driving altogether? Paying nothing for petrol and nothing for tax on car.No more NCT's etc...

and if you try to clamp my horse - he'll kick you in the face.

caseyann

langdang wrote: »

and if you try to clamp my horse - he'll kick you in the face.

HAHAHA they would bring out horse tax and you would have to carry your bag for clean up :pac:

Cookie_Monster

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

and no road tax has not gone up cos there is no such thing. Motor tax has not gone up either.

I facepalm everytime someone posts that crap: its motor tax not road tax. Everybody know's what is meant when someone says road tax and in all honesty it is road tax. Its a tax which you must pay to drive a car on the road, technically it can be argued its motor tax but making that statement everytime someone mentions road tax is just acting the clown.

langdang

Alright, I've just been a smartarse so far - but, we are not in fact the worst for petrol prices in the EU. It was about 1.45 when I was in Portugal during the summer, when we were still sub 1.30. Now, maybe they have less tax and VRT but thats a different argument...

Let's face it, abandoning cars is not an option - it's not like there's decent public transport outside of dublin... (Portugal seems to have excellent public transport despite also being a bit of a basket case)

dr.fuzzenstein

caseyann wrote: »

Question what would happen if all abandoned their cars and stopped driving altogether? Paying nothing for petrol and nothing for tax on car.No more NCT's etc...

Abandon you cars, stop buying alcohol and cigs.
Irish state would be broke in a week.
Or not, your income tax would simply be put up to 90%.
One way or another, you're getting fcuked.

Max Power1

Manuel Shapely Surgery wrote: »

I facepalm everytime someone posts that crap: its motor tax not road tax. Everybody know's what is meant when someone says road tax and in all honesty it is road tax. Its a tax which you must pay to drive a car on the road, technically it can be argued its motor tax but making that statement everytime someone mentions road tax is just acting the clown.

I understand your point, that the difference in the two words is pedantic.

However, the use of the word "road tax" as opposed to motor tax wrongly implies that your taxes are into some magical ringfenced tax haven to be used solely for the upkeep of the roads. Motor tax, on the other hand, implies that it is a tax on ownership (cars used solely on private property excepted) rather than on use. Subtle difference, but one which serves a purpsoe.

Max Power1

Max Power1 wrote: »

I understand your point, that the difference in the two words is pedantic.

However, the use of the word "road tax" as opposed to motor tax wrongly implies that your taxes are into some magical ringfenced tax haven to be used solely for the upkeep of the roads. Motor tax, on the other hand, implies that it is a tax on ownership (cars used solely on private property excepted) rather than on use. Subtle difference, but one which serves a purpsoe.

Road tax to me implies a tax which is paid to drive a car on the road rather than a tax for the upkeep of roads etc. If your car is not on the road then you dont pay the tax, hence why I think the term road tax fits fine. The term probably implies different things to different people no doubt.

Although I dont think a tax on car ownership is the right way to look at it either as you could have 10 cars parked up but not have to pay tax once they dont see the public road.

Cookie_Monster

caseyann wrote: »

I have stuck them on every time i fill up so i know how much they are ripping me off.;)
You might be able to say oh this and that about a car,i watch the gauge,before other day 20 euro filled half tank now it doesn't.It only fills to what it would be if you had previously put in 10 euro.And that is a damn right huge hike.

fuel hasn't doubled in price...
its only gone from around 1.36 to 1.42 or so. You can't be getting only half of what you got a few weeks ago... somethings off there

caseyann wrote: »

And no need to be smart arse because you knew exactly what i meant :rolleyes:

yeah, its just that kinda thread though


As for motor/road tax:
Tolls = road tax

Manuel Shapely Surgery wrote: »

Road tax to me implies a tax which is paid to drive a car on the road rather than a tax for the upkeep of roads etc. If your car is not on the road then you dont pay the tax, hence why I think the term road tax fits fine. The term probably implies different things to different people no doubt.

but if it was truly road tax then cyclists and horses and other non motor driven forms of transport should be subject to it, and thats why its important to make the distinction.
Its like fast lanes vs overtaking lane, nothing wrong per say in labelling it the fast lane, it just shows a lack of understanding of the proper term and reasons behind it.

caseyann

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

fuel hasn't doubled in price...
its only gone from around 1.36 to 1.42 or so. You can't be getting only half of what you got a few weeks ago...


yeah, its just that kinda thread though


As for motor/road tax:
Tolls = road tax

Its either that or the station i got my petrol is doing a rip off :mad: Because that is exactly what i drove out with,and didn't notice till half way up road.


Well i dont pay attention to them things as lucky i never have to use them