UCD resit fee extortionate

Blatter

It costs €230 to resit an exam in UCD. Where on earth do they get this figure from.

I'm pretty sure the likes of UL and UCC, aswell as most of the others are no where near this figure.

Absolute disgrace, something should be done about this:mad:

helimachoptor

Well study and dont fail the exam and you wont have to pay, tis pretty simple.

highlydebased

UL is 170 I think..

Blatter

helimachoptor wrote: »

Well study and dont fail the exam and you wont have to pay, tis pretty simple.

Not everyone fails exams because of a lack of study.

Many mature students have a really hard time getting back into the swing of things and it's not uncommon for them to fail a few, especially in first year.

There are also weaker students who are not as intelligent as you apperently are and are not guaranteed of passing with buckets of study.

jripper

Thats just typical money grabbing ucd. Yeah it cripples a lot of students financially esp those who don't have mammy and daddy paying their way for them.

helimachoptor

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

Not everyone fails exams because of a lack of study.

Many mature students have a really hard time getting back into the swing of things and it's not uncommon for them to fail a few, especially in first year.

There are also weaker students who are not as intelligent as you apperently are and are not guaranteed of passing with buckets of study.

I was a standard i.e. post LC college student and also a mature student last year, yes parts were tough but if you put the work in you will pass.

And if you do buckets of study and still fail maybe the course isnt for that person.

quicklickpaddy

That's irrelevant. Why you fail your exam's doesn't matter. Compared to any other University, UCD's resit charges are extortionate. Simple as. DIT I think is only 60 or so and (I could be wrong but I think I heard) that's inclusive of all the repeats. Trinity is free. I'm not too sure about DCU. There is only so much you can excuse it as an "incentive". Bottom line - it's plain greedy

helimachoptor

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

That's irrelevant. Why you fail your exam's doesn't matter. Compared to any other University, UCD's resit charges are extortionate. Simple as. DIT I think is only 60 or so and (I could be wrong but I think I heard) that's inclusive of all the repeats. Trinity is free. I'm not too sure about DCU. There is only so much you can excuse it as an "incentive". Bottom line - it's plain greedy

So what if the others are cheaper UCD is entitled to charge what it wants to go through the organisation of repeats, have you any idea how much invigilators get paid? Quite a lot let me tell you.

As i said if you dont fail you dont nee to re-sit. If there was something medically wrong with you most colleges will waive the fee.

quicklickpaddy

helimachoptor wrote: »

So what if the others are cheaper UCD is entitled to charge what it wants to go through the organisation of repeats, have you any idea how much invigilators get paid? Quite a lot let me tell you.

As i said if you dont fail you dont nee to re-sit. If there was something medically wrong with you most colleges will waive the fee.

Alright now you're getting arrogant and offensive. Get down off your high horse there buddy.

Yeah, they are entitled to charge what they want. So is every other university. Just because they are entitled to do it doesn't mean they should or even that it's moral. Registration fee's are being increased, people don't have any money to spare after everything that's gone on. I work two jobs, I'm going to have repeats and it's not coming out of my parents pockets. There is going to be (and already has been) an amount of people dropping out because they can't afford to pay for 3rd level education anymore. The money isn't there to throw around anymore and €230 per subject is ****ing ridiculous

helimachoptor

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

Alright now you're getting arrogant and offensive. Get down off your high horse there buddy.

Yeah, they are entitled to charge what they want. So is every other university. Just because they are entitled to do it doesn't mean they should or even that it's moral. Registration fee's are being increased, people don't have any money to spare after everything that's gone on. I work two jobs, I'm going to have repeats and it's not coming out of my parents pockets. There is going to be (and already has been) an amount of people dropping out because they can't afford to pay for 3rd level education anymore. The money isn't there to throw around anymore and €230 per subject is ****ing ridiculous

No i'm not, at one stage when i was in UCD, I was working nights and then going to college during the day as i was so broke, i still passed because i didnt fancy having to shell out for repeats.

And may i say i had it quite a site more difficult than you had it now, there was no semesterised exams when i was there. The courses before xmas you had to do in May so in first year for example I had 14 exams over the exam period.
If money is so tight and you dont want to pay for repeats you need to focus on passing first time, you may think its arrogant, i think its logical.

quicklickpaddy

helimachoptor wrote: »

No i'm not, at one stage when i was in UCD, I was working nights and then going to college during the day as i was so broke, i still passed because i didnt fancy having to shell out for repeats.

And may i say i had it quite a site more difficult than you had it now, there was no semesterised exams when i was there. The courses before xmas you had to do in May so in first year for example I had 14 exams over the exam period.
If money is so tight and you dont want to pay for repeats you need to focus on passing first time, you may think its arrogant, i think its logical.

You're completely missing the point. €230 is too much money to charge to resit an exam

helimachoptor

Says who?

quicklickpaddy

helimachoptor wrote: »

Says who?

Shall we put up a poll?

helimachoptor

Please do, but also put in the option, do you think its extortionate when you already have had 1 chance at the exam.

MagicMarker

helimachoptor wrote: »

Says who?

Says people who get the point?

Sure why not make it €800 to re-sit an exam?

quicklickpaddy

Please do, but also put in the option, do you think its extortionate when you already have had 1 chance at the exam

Yeah that would be implied by Resit.

errlloyd

I believe its 250 now btw. 230 was the wrong number, it came out of John Logue's manifesto, and I remember on Williamson getting elected in went up 10. So I fairly sure its 250.

Hmm, I think if its going to be used as a deterrent it should be on a school by school basis. Personally as a law student, I think passing our exams is piss easy (its very hard to very well, its very hard to do very badly like a lot of essay based exams), I also think there is almost no excuse for it apart from sheer laziness.

However I realise that certain subjects like Engineering and Maths it could cause undue pressure on students who were struggling to grasp a concept or something. It seems unfair to punish someone for not understanding something that they may understand in time.

I believe Ag Science students should be charged 450 and made to resit even if they pass, as a general deterrent to them being here.

At the end of the day, Paddy (and the rest of the doubters). People failing exams make our degrees less valuable. And I'm ****ing working for my degree.

helimachoptor

MagicMarker wrote: »

Says people who get the point?

Sure why not make it €800 to re-sit an exam?

But you have a chance to pass, you fail they charge you to take it again which they are entitled to do. They can charge you whatever they want, you have failed the exam and they need to go through the process of administering to you a second exam.

I would go so far as to say administering a repeat to one student would probably cost about €230. I have no proof of this but when you factor in light, heat of exam area, invigilators time or two of them, the lecturer writing a second paper (and yes i know they'll just change a few digits), printing, transport to and from the exam centre.

b1788

If other universities have to provide the same conditions again and only charge 170/190, ucd yes can charge what they wish but they would be able to do it for cheaper somehow.

quicklickpaddy

errlloyd wrote: »

Hmm, I think if its going to be used as a deterrent it should be on a school by school basis. Personally as a law student, I think passing our exams is piss easy (its very hard to very well, its very hard to do very badly like a lot of essay based exams), I also think there is almost no excuse for it apart from sheer laziness.

However I realise that certain subjects like Engineering and Maths it could cause undue pressure on students who were struggling to grasp a concept or something. It seems unfair to punish someone for not understanding something that they may understand in time.

Again, the reason for the fail is irrelevant. It's a university. There ARE going to be failed exams and to extort as much money as possible out of it is shameful. And again, compare it to the others and it's astronomical.

errlloyd wrote: »

At the end of the day, Paddy (and the rest of the doubters). People failing exams make our degrees less valuable. And I'm ****ing working for my degree.

That's what your transcript is for. Employers will see how you did in each exam. And Trinity don't charge for resits but they don't seem to worry about the value of their degrees as a result?

helimachoptor wrote: »

But you have a chance to pass, you fail they charge you to take it again which they are entitled to do. They can charge you whatever they want, you have failed the exam and they need to go through the process of administering to you a second exam.

I would go so far as to say administering a repeat to one student would probably cost about €230. I have no proof of this but when you factor in light, heat of exam area, invigilators time or two of them, the lecturer writing a second paper (and yes i know they'll just change a few digits), printing, transport to and from the exam centre.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. There are literally thousands of people in those exam rooms because resits are at the same time as every other exam.

helimachoptor

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. There are literally thousands of people in those exam rooms because resits are at the same time as every other exam.

No they're arent, in second year i repeated an exam as I missed the first one. There was me in in the whole science building doing the repeat, with 4 invigilators :rolleyes:. Another module there were 2 guys doing. It depends where your exam centre is. As far as i can remember the 1st year repeats arent in the RDS but i'm not sure. As you go up in years the people numbers at repeats get less as the there are more modules due to specialisation. You may have 10 subjects in a given exam hall but there maybe be 1 student per subject.

errlloyd

Again, the reason for the fail is irrelevant. It's a university. There ARE going to be failed exams and to extort as much money as possible out of it is shameful. And again, compare it to the others and it's astronomical.

Do you have any idea how easily UCD grant extenuating circumstance? Like they will give them for ****ing anything, anyone who has an excuse will be fine. And anyway, you are wrong. We all know the cost of the resit is 50 in admin (this came out during last years education election) and the other 200 is deterrent, so the reason why you fail is important. If you fail cause you're a lazy ****, then get the **** out of my college. If you're going to be lazy you may as well give my university 200 more euro to pay a better lecturer to benefit the rest of us.

That's what your transcript is for. Employers will see how you did in each exam. And Trinity don't charge for resits but they don't seem to worry about the value of their degrees as a result?

Don't pretend all employers care about is transcripts, the actual degree is massively important. I hate to say it, but Trinity has a slightly different Ethos. It is way more academic and therefore doesn't have the waster problem UCD has. That is unfortunately fact. You can't have you cake and eat here btw either you care about why they fail, or you are asking for cheaper laziness.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. There are literally thousands of people in those exam rooms because resits are at the same time as every other exam.

Yeah you're right his numbers were off, but I wonder how much longer it takes your lecturer to correct the 1 paper in his class that failed, then it does to correct the other ones per paper.

MagicMarker

helimachoptor wrote: »

But you have a chance to pass, you fail they charge you to take it again which they are entitled to do. They can charge you whatever they want, you have failed the exam and they need to go through the process of administering to you a second exam.

Why not charge €800 to re-sit?

helimachoptor wrote: »

I would go so far as to say administering a repeat to one student would probably cost about €230. I have no proof of this......

Indeed.

helimachoptor

MagicMarker wrote: »

Why not charge €800 to re-sit?

Indeed.

Conveniently leave out the rest of my post where i at least try to factor in costs. Lazy attitude tbh

If €800 was charged you can be sure a lot less people would fail.

quicklickpaddy

errlloyd wrote: »

Do you have any idea how easily UCD grant extenuating circumstance? Like they will give them for ****ing anything, anyone who has an excuse will be fine. And anyway, you are wrong. We all know the cost of the resit is 50 in admin (this came out during last years education election) and the other 200 is deterrent, so the reason why you fail is important. If you fail cause you're a lazy ****, then get the **** out of my college. If you're going to be lazy you may as well give my university 200 more euro to pay a better lecturer to benefit the rest of us

Your Facebook status on Tuesday:
You know what **** it, I have no regrets. Maybe I would have been better off going to some of these lectures, but judging by the book EU law is so mind boggingly boring, I am glad I didn't.
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Nicely done. And stop being a prick

MagicMarker

helimachoptor wrote: »

Conveniently leave out the rest of my post where i at least try to factor in costs. Lazy attitude tbh

If €800 was charged you can be sure a lot less people would fail.

I left it out for a reason, you tried to guess costs based on absolutely nothing, aka a load of waffle.

errlloyd

Hey Paddy, nice choice of exam there.

https://sisweb.ucd.ie/usis/w_sm_web_inf_simple_viewer.show_module?p_code=law20330

Go to "what happens if I fail"

There is no resit option there. Maybe 250 euro would have made me study harder. That said I owned that exam in the face.

helimachoptor

MagicMarker wrote: »

I left it out for a reason, you tried to guess costs based on absolutely nothing, aka a load of waffle.

So the invigilator provides their time free of charge? thats very nice of them. The ESB dont charge for the electricty during repeat time? How nice of them. The printing company dont charge for printing repeat papers? How nice of them.

errlloyd

helimachoptor wrote: »

So the invigilator provides their time free of charge? thats very nice of them. The ESB dont charge for the electricty during repeat time? How nice of them. The printing company dont charge for printing repeat papers? How nice of them.

Dude I hate to argue both sides here, but **** it may as well.

5c is at profit what copri-print charge.
Invigilators are 10e an hour, and split between everyone re-siting
Electricity costs a fcking pittance and would be on anyway
Lecturers get paid a salary so **** them they can ****ing correct it for free
Those exam books surely cost about a third of the price of copy books.

So far this resit has cost UCD about 2 euro.

MagicMarker

helimachoptor wrote: »

So the invigilator provides their time free of charge? thats very nice of them. The ESB dont charge for the electricty during repeat time? How nice of them. The printing company dont charge for printing repeat papers? How nice of them.

Amazingly all other colleges have these same costs, yet don't charge as much.

Try harder.

quicklickpaddy

If you fail cause you're a lazy ****, then get the **** out of my college. If you're going to be lazy you may as well give my university 200 more euro to pay a better lecturer to benefit the rest of us

Jesus Christ man... You're actually trying to be a prick.

I'm not getting into a petty argument. €250 is greed - not an incentive.

I'm just even gonna bother replying any more. I've said my piece.

Larianne

I think all colleges should charge for repeats. Why Trinity doesn't, I don't know. Might make people take their exams more seriously instead of having the attitude of "ah sure there's always the repeats".

helimachoptor

errlloyd wrote: »

Dude I hate to argue both sides here, but **** it may as well.

5c is at profit what copri-print charge.
Invigilators are 10e an hour, and split between everyone re-siting
Electricity costs a fcking pittance and would be on anyway
Lecturers get paid a salary so **** them they can ****ing correct it for free
Those exam books surely cost about a third of the price of copy books.

So far this resit has cost UCD about 2 euro.

Ok i can accept that the cost of providing facilities etc doesnt add up to €230. So as pointed out above lets say €50.
so that leaves €180 as a deterrent tbh as the OP says he was broke etc I think having to pay €180, €360 etc etc for repeat(s) would be a pretty good deterrent.

If the OP is struggling there are plentiful resources available to get help. If he didnt go to lectures etc then thats tough, no use complaining when the means to pass the test has been there 2/3 times a week for the last few months.

MagicMarker wrote: »

Amazingly all other colleges have these same costs, yet don't charge as much.

Try harder.

They can charge what they want. UCD just charge higher but its not extortionate.
Again if you dont want to be put in the position of having to pay for a repeat dont fail the test.

helimachoptor

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

Jesus Christ man... You're actually trying to be a prick.

I'm not getting into a petty argument. €250 is greed - not an incentive.

I'm just even gonna bother replying any more. I've said my piece.

I dont know, paying €250 to repeat an exam ive already had a chance to do is quite an incentive to me.

anyway paddy, best of luck with the repeats, if you are struggling go to a tutor or lecturer.

Blatter

I'm gonna throw something else in here,

The cost of repeating a module(going to lectures, tutorials, labs etc.) + resiting the actual exam = the cost of just resiting.

How on earth can this be justified in any way shape or form, surely the cost of repeating the module should far outweigh just sitting the exam again.

Blatter

Larianne wrote: »

I think all colleges should charge for repeats. Why Trinity doesn't, I don't know. Might make people take their exams more seriously instead of having the attitude of "ah sure there's always the repeats".

I don't disagree with that, there should be a fee for repeating, but it shouldn't be used as a way of generating profit, which is clearly what UCD are doing.

I'm actually flabbergasted that some people can actually say that UCD's resit fee is not extortionate, when it clearly is compared with all other Universities and educational institutes.

I think NUIG charge one fee of €200 and you resit as many as possible.

I'm not sure but UCC's resit charge is €60-70, about 25% of UCDs.

errlloyd

Right, I am going to conclude by saying rather simply.

I was only ever arguing for the principle of deterrent.

If anyone thinks they or their class has been unjuststly ****ed with a hard exam, and therefore will largely have to repeat, email your rep, email your pro, email James Williamson and Paul Lynam.

These people are in positions to help you, 2 of them we pay. And tbh, I am sure they would like the chance for the PR victory.

If worst comes to worst, email Scot Ahearne and get some help paying.

Tails142

DIT only charge €30 a resit for comparison.

quicklickpaddy

helimachoptor wrote: »

I dont know, paying €250 to repeat an exam ive already had a chance to do is quite an incentive to me.

anyway paddy, best of luck with the repeats, if you are struggling go to a tutor or lecturer.

I know I said I was going to stop but this is the last one.

First of all. Stop being arrogant, pretentious and condescending. It makes you look like a wanker. I'm not trying to make enemies here.

My one point which has been continually ignored is that €250 is too much money. Let's say it was €100. That's still an incentive but it won't cripple people financially. There's a balance to be hit here. I'm not saying abolish the fee - it has it's purpose - but I have serious issue justifying €250. It is too much money. Simple as.

Blatter

Can anyone actually confirm the resit fee, I've heard €230, €250 and €270 from various people.

The link here clearly states it's €230 for the academic year 2010/2011.

http://www.ucd.ie/students/resits_repeats/

Is this incorrect or what?

*whichever one it is, they are still outrageous charges.

helimachoptor

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

I know I said I was going to stop but this is the last one.

First of all. Stop being arrogant, pretentious and condescending. It makes you look like a wanker. I'm not trying to make enemies here.

My one point which has been continually ignored is that €250 is too much money. Let's say it was €100. That's still an incentive but it won't cripple people financially. There's a balance to be hit here. I'm not saying abolish the fee - it has it's purpose - but I have serious issue justifying €250. It is too much money. Simple as.

The fact that you think i was being pretentious and condescending means you are in fact not even reading what i'm writing. If you think that by me saying go to a tutor etc is me being a wanker then again please re-read. If you are struggling and go to a tutor then you stand a chance of not having to pay €250 to repeat an exam by getting free help.

Also you dont have to justify it paddy, you just have to pay. You may think its extortionate I dont I view it as motivation to not have to repeat and thus not pay €250.

Fair enough you have to pay it this time, if you think its expensive then dont pay it again by passing the exams.

€100 is an average night out in town for a lot of people students included tbh.

Eager_Beaver

Can confirm its €230, but would want to be disastrous as most will be e for fail, leaving room for compensation.:D

quicklickpaddy

helimachoptor wrote: »

If there was something medically wrong with you most colleges will waive the fee.

helimachoptor wrote: »

And may i say i had it quite a site more difficult than you had it now

helimachoptor wrote: »

So the invigilator provides their time free of charge? thats very nice of them. The ESB dont charge for the electricty during repeat time? How nice of them. The printing company dont charge for printing repeat papers? How nice of them.

helimachoptor wrote: »

The fact that you think i was being pretentious and condescending means you are in fact not even reading what i'm writing.

helimachoptor wrote: »

Also you dont have to justify it paddy, you just have to pay

I think arrogant pretentious and condescending about covers it. I'm not trying to insult you. Just listen to yourself.

helimachoptor wrote: »

€100 is an average night out in town for a lot of people students included tbh.

My god man... You're talking to a student here. I can't remember the last time I spent more than €25 on a night out.

Tea-a-Maria

helimachoptor wrote: »

€100 is an average night out in town for a lot of people students included tbh.

Jesus Christ what do you buy on a night out?Champagne and caviar!?Most students I know would spend €20-€30

My two cents,having a resit fee is a good deterrence for wasters.I've seen a fair few people not do a tap all year and then whinge and cry about having to pay resits.Zero sympathy for them.

That said,€230 is extortion of the highest order especially when other unis are compared.UCD seem to have a habit of this,between the massive library fines,the fine for not having your student card..:(

quicklickpaddy

Tea-a-Maria wrote: »

That said,€230 is extortion of the highest order especially when other unis are compared.UCD seem to have a habit of this,between the massive library fines,the fine for not having your student card..:(

Exactly what I'm talking about. €50 for not bringing your card to the exam. This is the kind of system UCD operate under and I think it's more than fair enough to kick up a fuss!

Larianne

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

Exactly what I'm talking about. €50 for not bringing your card to the exam. This is the kind of system UCD operate under and I think it's more than fair enough to kick up a fuss!

Ah here now, what? That's ridiculous!

helimachoptor

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

I think arrogant pretentious and condescending about covers it. I'm not trying to insult you. Just listen to yourself.



My god man... You're talking to a student here. I can't remember the last time I spent more than €25 on a night out.

Post 1: Helpful info, if you miss an exam and present a doctors not the fee will be waived. Explain how this arrogant/pretentious/condescending.

Post 2: Doing a subject from September - December and not getting tested til May is a lot harder than doing a subject Sept - Dec and the exam in December. I have experience of both systems.

Post 3: So do they provide their services for free? Replying to a stupid post by MagicMarker and wasnt aimed at you.

Post 4: I gave a helpful post saying if you are struggling go and get help and it may result in you not failing and thus not having to pay €230. I fail to see how that is arrogant/pretentious/condescending

Post 5: You dont have to justify paying it, you have a simple choice. If you want to repeat then pay it. If you dont want to repeat for whatever reason i.e. if you think its an extortionate rate dont pay it.

Post 6: I play soccer and there are a number of students on the team, this is the average amount they spend and tbh even i was shocked, ok i can accept that this may not be the average per student per night. But i'd say as most students would probably go out twice a week they hit this figure.

Blatter

Larianne wrote: »

Ah here now, what? That's ridiculous!

Don't sound too suprised, this is UCD we're dealing with.

helimachoptor

Tea-a-Maria wrote: »

Jesus Christ what do you buy on a night out?Champagne and caviar!?Most students I know would spend €20-€30

My two cents,having a resit fee is a good deterrence for wasters.I've seen a fair few people not do a tap all year and then whinge and cry about having to pay resits.Zero sympathy for them.

That said,€230 is extortion of the highest order especially when other unis are compared.UCD seem to have a habit of this,between the massive library fines,the fine for not having your student card..:(

I wish
5 pints €25, 3/4 vodka red bulls €30/€40, food €10, nitelink €5 or taxi €20

I see what your saying but theres no way to distinguish between wasters and people who tried and failed.

Re-sit fees will only be going up. The other colleges will have parity with UCD within the next 2 years.

helimachoptor

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

Exactly what I'm talking about. €50 for not bringing your card to the exam. This is the kind of system UCD operate under and I think it's more than fair enough to kick up a fuss!

Paddy this is something we agree on 100%.
ITTallght is 30/40 i think

Larianne

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

Don't sound too suprised, this is UCD we're dealing with.

Well I think the fee for resits is fine, €50 for not having your ID is a loada balls. Although in fairness you should have some cop on to bring your ID with you to your exam.