Biffy Clyro "win" X Factor

JerryHandbag

Biffys Many of Horror was covered by some guy (dunno, dont watch the ****e) to win Simon Cowells Sunday Night Karaoke Show.

Have they sold out? At what point does an indie band forfeit their artisitic integrity, swallow their pride and hit the jackpot? Its an interesting dilemma, and makes you wonder if you were in a band who wanted nothing to do with these talents shows, yet had an oppurtunity like this to get more exposure. I'm presuming their record company gave this the green light, as apparently lead Biffy singer Simon Neil (like a lot of rock bands) has made some derogatory comments about these shows in the past.

Of course the facebook groups are up already, wanting to get Biffys version to no.1 instead of the XFactor version. I've never watched the show, but just saw their version on youtube.....its pure drivel.

Rock and roll is dead*

*Not really, just wanted to rant :pac:

acer911

They havent sold out, what the hell with it been covered.... Everyone will see that Biffy's version is much better and thus they will reap the benefits.... Biffy's version is much better, so im full on for backing them for number one....

Mon the Biff

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

I'm not 100% sure on this but the people who write and perform the songs aren't always the people who actually own the rights to them.
Again I don't know for sure but Biffy might not have given them permission themselves as it may be the record label that own the copyrights.

I know when Leona Lewis covered Snow Patrol on her album she didn't need to get permission from the band themselves.

I watched bits of XFactor because it was always on wherever I was on Saturdays and Matt seems alright, he's got a decent voice and seems quite talented. I've nothing against him personally but it annoys me that for the next month or more I'm going to have to hear his version blasting out of everywhere and people with no musical knowledge or taste singing along to it completely oblivious to the fact that it's not an original and whenever I'm listening to Biffy's version people will think it's Matt.

Also, with all the influence and power Simon Cowell has in the music industry how hard would it be for him to get someone to write a bloody original song?

Anyway, all that said, I'd rather have Matt's cover of Biffy as Irish number one than that stupid fecking Horse Outside song that people seem to be inexplicably backing. :rolleyes:

dapto1

It's up to the record company, not the band.

Anyway I hope this introduces even more people to Biffy. They've worked their asses off for years and made some great music (in my opinion) so fair play to them.

Crasp

Yeah my gf told me this earlier on. Mixed opinions about it I suppose.

I guess you can't blame them for somebody else using their song...


IMO they left most of their integrity behind when they released puzzle sounding the way it did! Final nail in the coffin for me was how they turned Angels Fall into The Captain... Such an atrocious song....



But I believe all exposure is good exposure, so overall I'm pleased that it was a biffy track and not some pop song I've never heard. I just wish they got the name right on the single....

Crasp

FWIW publishing companies own the song itself. Record companies are just that: they own the recordings of the band. But not the content of the recordings, if you follow me.


e.g. if a TV show wanted to use biffy's version of Many of Horror, that would be the record company's decision.

If, like this X factor dude, you wanted to release a cover of it and profit... that would be the publishing company's decision.


In reality, the two are probably offered by the same company nowadays - recording and publishing rights. I'm not too sure though.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Crasp wrote: »

I just wish they got the name right on the single....

Why did they do that? I don't get it at all. We all know the song is called "Many Of Horror" so why call it "When We Colide"? Do they think Many of Horror isn't tween friendly enough for the xfactor target market?

Crasp

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Why did they do that? I don't get it at all. We all know the song is called "Many Of Horror" so why call it "When We Colide"? Do they think Many of Horror isn't tween friendly enough for the xfactor target market?

I'd say your on the ball there, that was my guess too. Can't have a pop single with "Horror" in the name!

"When we collide" just reminds me of Bodies in Flight anyway

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Crasp wrote: »

I'd say your on the ball there, that was my guess too. Can't have a pop single with "Horror" in the name!

"When we collide" just reminds me of Bodies in Flight anyway

Leona released Bleeding Love, which sounds like a mass murderer or something, surely Horror isn't that bad.

Crasp

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Leona released Bleeding Love, which sounds like a mass murderer or something, surely Horror isn't that bad.

You're asking the wrong person mate! Dunno who the target market is here.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Crasp wrote: »

You're asking the wrong person mate! Dunno who the target market is here.

I know, I know, just wondering out loud so to speak

neilthefunkeone

Saw the final of xfactor tonight.. had to explain to a few people in the room that the song was a cover.. Dont think the majority of xfactor fans will be turned to biffy fans by this...

As someone said above, i dont know why they couldnt write their own song.. They afre serious artists right..:rolleyes:

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

neilthefunkeone wrote: »

As someone said above, i dont know why they couldnt write their own song.. They afre serious artists right..:rolleyes:

I don't even mean that the contestants themselves have to write the song, but Simon Cowell probably has a million unrecorded songs sitting in an office somewhere given the amount of artists he has on his books. Why can't they release an original bloody song!!

JerryHandbag

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Why did they do that? I don't get it at all. We all know the song is called "Many Of Horror" so why call it "When We Colide"? Do they think Many of Horror isn't tween friendly enough for the xfactor target market?

I had to laugh at the name change.....I mean does Cowell and co realise that the lyrics of the song have connotations of domestic violence?

Not very suitable for the teenyboppers is it.....

"My bruises shine our broken fairytale.....when you hit me hit me hard"...ok its the woman hitting the bloke but its still domestic violence!!

Dont understand how they didnt pick a Kings of Leon song instead. I know a few Biffy diehards who will be spitting fire because of this....I mean do people really believe that the majority of the X Factor audience will go out and download songs like Get Fcuked Stud and their earlier less radio friendly stuff?

Crasp

JerryHandbag wrote: »

I had to laugh at the name change.....I mean does Cowell and co realise that the lyrics of the song have connotations of domestic violence?

Not very suitable for the teenyboppers is it.....

"My bruises shine our broken fairytale.....when you hit me hit me hard"...ok its the woman hitting the bloke but its still domestic violence!!

Dont understand how they didnt pick a Kings of Leon song instead. I know a few Biffy diehards who will be spitting fire because of this....I mean do people really believe that the majority of the X Factor audience will go out and download songs like Get Fcuked Stud and their earlier less radio friendly stuff?

That's open to interpretation mate! I'd strongly disagree with you there on what those lyrics mean. I guess we'll never know though.




tbh I doubt anyone will know who the song is by... I don't think anyone will care enough to buy the biffy version, never mind explore their extensive back catalogue!

11811

From the Biffy Clyro Biog http://www.biffyclyro.com/the-biff.htm

"2007 was the year the tortoise overtook the complacent hare and claimed the glory. Faced with a musical climate of TV talent freakshow contestants momentarily setting the gossip world aflutter before plunging back into obscurity, and fame hungry starlets publicly unravelling in front of the paparazzi, the alternative came in the shape of ‘Puzzle,’ the fourth album by Ayrshire rock trio Biffy Clyro, which exploded to propel the band out of the underground where they’d been honing their craft and into the mainstream consciousness. The gold-selling major label debut went on to shift over 250,000 copies, to the delight of the loyal and passionate fanbase who had been willing them on for the past decade. An overnight success story, this is not"

Have to laugh at those first few lines now...:p

Yeah guess it was a publishing agents decision, least they'll make a nice few bob over the next couple of weeks.

KeanSeenan

I don't think there's much danger of them becoming famous, I've heard their music..

dapto1

JerryHandbag wrote: »

I mean do people really believe that the majority of the X Factor audience will go out and download songs like Get Fcuked Stud and their earlier less radio friendly stuff?

Of course not, nobody's said that.

lordgoat

Any of their recent singles are as radio friendly as x factor crap. Amazed people are making a big a deal out of this.

HBK

KeanSeenan wrote: »

I don't think there's much danger of them becoming famous, I've heard their music..

Ha! Coming from what must be...either a dance head...or..Take that fan(or both)!

HBK

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Why did they do that? I don't get it at all. We all know the song is called "Many Of Horror" so why call it "When We Colide"? Do they think Many of Horror isn't tween friendly enough for the xfactor target market?

Correction:

http://www.biffyclyro.com/store/products,many-of-horror-when-we-collide-digital-download_59.htm

The song(or single at least) is actually called 'Many of Horror When we Collide'!

funnyclub

Guys does anyone remember the song being used in a tv show or film.
I think I remember it from one but cant remember what its wrecking my head.

Creamy Goodness

biffy clyro sold out a long time ago my friends, nearing on kings of leon status now tbh and that's without their song being covered on xfactor.

gleep

Simon Cowell owns Biffy's record company, so he owns the rights to their songs.

He also owns the rights to Leonard Cohen's songs, which is why Alleluijah (check spell) was recorded by that Burke one. He also owns RATM's songs, which is why he was happy that last year there was a "campaign" to get them to number 1 v X-Factor winner.

Long story short, Simon Cowell is an evil genius!

Miguel_Sanchez

gleep wrote: »

Simon Cowell owns Biffy's record company, so he owns the rights to their songs.

He also owns the rights to Leonard Cohen's songs, which is why Alleluijah (check spell) was recorded by that Burke one.

Not sure if that's true:

Link

Miguel_Sanchez

Nobody was calling Leonard Cohen a sell-out when Hallelujah got X-Factored, were they?

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

gleep wrote: »

Simon Cowell owns Biffy's record company, so he owns the rights to their songs.

He also owns the rights to Leonard Cohen's songs, which is why Alleluijah (check spell) was recorded by that Burke one. He also owns RATM's songs, which is why he was happy that last year there was a "campaign" to get them to number 1 v X-Factor winner.

Long story short, Simon Cowell is an evil genius!

Biffy are on a record label owned by Warner Music. Simon Cowell works for Sony, I could be wrong but I don't think there's a connection.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

Nobody was calling Leonard Cohen a sell-out when Hallelujah got X-Factored, were they?

That's because people much preferred the Jeff Buckley version. When it was released as Alexandra's song everyone I heard giving out was complaining that she was ruining Jeff's song not Leonard's, which probably says something in itself.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Crasp wrote: »

That's open to interpretation mate! I'd strongly disagree with you there on what those lyrics mean. I guess we'll never know though.

From the horses mouth.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc-JCy8bkN4

Metaphorical bruises me thinks, not actual spousal abuse.

Miguel_Sanchez

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

That's because people much preferred the Jeff Buckley version. When it was released as Alexandra's song everyone I heard giving out was complaining that she was ruining Jeff's song not Leonard's, which probably says something in itself.

How could they prefer it to the original if they didn't even know it wasn't the original?

Darraghnormal

funnyclub wrote: »

Guys does anyone remember the song being used in a tv show or film.
I think I remember it from one but cant remember what its wrecking my head.

Yeah it was many of horror as well, some romantic drama sh1te, saw an ad on tv a while ago.]


Mon the biff...:'(

Crasp

The song is called Many of horror. It was never called When we collide nor Many of Horror (when we collide).


As I typed biffy into the google search field, the top 2 results (in order) were "Biffy Clyro when we collide" and "biffy clyro many of horor". Strange.



They have even gone as far as to change the title of the official youtube video to Many of Horror (when we collide). A title which I have not seen up until this week.




I think it is also important to note that the reason this song was chosen because of it's appeal to the masses.... it's as corny as the rest of the stuff on the radio!

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

How could they prefer it to the original if they didn't even know it wasn't the original?

You know what I mean. People were comparing Alexandra's version to Buckley's because it's the most popular version, meaning it's the one most people know.

Most people I know that know both versions prefer Buckley's version.

JerryHandbag

funnyclub wrote: »

Guys does anyone remember the song being used in a tv show or film.
I think I remember it from one but cant remember what its wrecking my head.

Christ yeah, you're right....it was on the soundtrack to some chickflick with that young guy Zac Efron (sp?), the ad was on constant repeat, would do your head in. Cant remember the film.

I suppose thats the type of song it is, a big ballad....lends itself to emotional stuff. Expect it to be used at next World Cup when England get knocked out, all the time the money rolling into the Biffy account (hehe, nearly typed Biffo account there :P)

Miguel_Sanchez

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Most people I know that know both versions prefer Buckley's version.

I quite like John Cale's version myself.

Crasp

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

From the horses mouth.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc-JCy8bkN4

Metaphorical bruises me thinks, not actual spousal abuse.

I'm not sure what that video was supposed to prove, Si didn't mention domestic violence once!

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Crasp wrote: »

As I typed biffy into the google search field, the top 2 results (in order) were "Biffy Clyro when we collide" and "biffy clyro many of horor". Strange.
They have even gone as far as to change the title of the official youtube video to Many of Horror (when we collide). A title which I have not seen up until this week.

I'd say this is because they knew that people would be looking for the original too and would have some difficulty finding it with the name change, so they're covering their bases there.

I think it is also important to note that the reason this song was chosen because of it's appeal to the masses.... it's as corny as the rest of the stuff on the radio!

That's what annoys me though. It's almost the exact same arrangement of the song, maybe a higher key, I'm not sure, but it's essentially the same song. When Biffy's version was out earlier this year I heard it on the radio and saw it on the music channels more than any other Biffy song, and yet people weren't rushing out to buy it.
Now they're buying the exact same song just because it's got XFactor attached to it.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Crasp wrote: »

I'm not sure what that video was supposed to prove, Si didn't mention domestic violence once!

That was the point. He said it's about the ups and downs of relationships, the good and the bad. Not about abusive relationships.

Crasp

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

That was the point. He said it's about the ups and downs of relationships, the good and the bad. Not about abusive relationships.

Ah, Gotcha now! I was thinking it kind of proved my point

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Interview with Simon (Neil not Cowell) from earlier this year.

During an interview with NME earlier this year, singer Simon Neil confessed that he had no problem with the ITV1 franchise, arguing that it has no negative effect on the music industry.

"It's always just been Saturday night entertainment - The X Factor is for the kind of people who buy f**king Robbie Williams calendars," he said.

"I don't think it's a threat to 'real' music at all. It's just entertainment. It's just what The A-Team was in 1986. And Simon Cowell isn't the devil, he's just someone who wants to make sh*tloads of money, and fair play to him.

Of course this was before the song was covered.

FortuneChip

It's not a great Biffy song by any means, and the X-Factor arrangement is pretty bad. Backing track seems too loud and the addition of dramatic strings etc don't do a lot.

Very typical X-Factor single though.

It doesn't say anything overly negative about Biffy Clyro to be honest. Chance to gain exposure, which based on their recent album, is something they've even changed their sound to achieve

Crasp

I like when biffy get air time, I don't know what all the fuss is about.


I remember hearing My Recovery Injection on the radio in Eastenders back in the day when the single was out. The greatest thing was I don't watch that type of thing, so what are the odds of biffy being on while I'm being subjected to it in the girlfriend's house?! Pretty ****ing slim.

I also heard another track on another soap (could have been any of them, can't remember...) I forget the track, but it was one off puzzle. The Conversation is, I think...



Formula 1 GP of Silverstone in 2007 used Living is a Problem in the pre race build up...


The washed out Malaysian GP of 2009 was played out with the Umbrella cover.


And the qualifying coverage of the Korean GP of this year had an instrumental version on Saturday Superhouse in the background.

Nothing better than F1 melded with Biffy Clyro!

Crasp

Ah lads some of the youtube comments are comical!

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

So here's Simon's reaction to their song being covered.

As previous reported, Matt Cardle won the final of this year's X Factor yesterday (Sunday, December 12) with a cover of Biffy Clyro's Many Of Horror. The track will be released later today under the new title of When We Collide.

Speaking to Kerrang!, Biffy Clyro frontman Simon Neil said that he doesn't really what his band to be too heavily associated with X Factor and he hopes Biffy's fans aren't too pissed off about Cardle covering one of their songs.

"We don't want to be too closely associated with [X Factor]," he told Kerrang! "That being said, I think when you look at the classic songs they have used in the past, like Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah for example, it hasn't really affected my take on that song. I still think the Jeff Buckley version is the best. The same goes for when David Bowie let them use Heroes this year. So I'm hoping it doesn't impact on the song too much. But you know, it's too ****ing surreal and subversive to possibly be made up!

"It's very surreal to think about our music being used on prime time British TV like that," he added. "I just hope no one is too pissed off about it."

It seems like he's covering all angles there Don't want to be associated with it, but at the same time not that bothered.

seachto7

That Biffy song was used quite a few tines on Waterloo Road on BBC a few months back.

I agree with what a previous poster just said. That song has been out for ages, and was also on Waterloo Road which prob had a teen audience as well, and nobody rushed out to buy it, they prob hadn't even heard of Biffy Clyro, and if they did, they prob would have labelled them dirty grungers.....

The version on tv last night wasn't much different arrangement wise to the Biffy version, but it was a sh*te version, the delivery of it was nowhere near as good as Biffy's version, but the fact it has Xfactor tacked onto it, the masses will go out and buy it. It just goes to show that the majority of people need to be told what to listen to and buy rather than figuring it out themselves.

Biffy CLyro will be laughing all the way to the bank anyways....

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

seachto7 wrote: »

That Biffy song was used quite a few tines on Waterloo Road on BBC a few months back.

I agree with what a previous poster just said. That song has been out for ages, and was also on Waterloo Road which prob had a teen audience as well, and nobody rushed out to buy it, they prob hadn't even heard of Biffy Clyro, and if they did, they prob would have labelled them dirty grungers.....

The version on tv last night wasn't much different arrangement wise to the Biffy version, but it was a sh*te version, the delivery of it was nowhere near as good as Biffy's version, but the fact it has Xfactor tacked onto it, the masses will go out and buy it. It just goes to show that the majority of people need to be told what to listen to and buy rather than figuring it out themselves.

Biffy CLyro will be laughing all the way to the bank anyways....

That's exactly what I'm saying.

It's not a personal attack on Matt, or even in the XFactor itself, it's just the fact that so many people can literally be told to buy anything and they will.

seachto7

I agree with you 100% Tickle Me Elmo. The apes who will rush out and buy this version would have dismissed the Biffy version all year, even though it sounds way better (to me)

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

seachto7 wrote: »

I agree with you 100% Tickle Me Elmo. The apes who will rush out and buy this version would have dismissed the Biffy version all year, even though it sounds way better (to me)

I know. I've been a fan of Biffy for exactly 5 years now (saw them live this weekend 5 years ago) and I've never heard any of their songs get as much exposure as Many Of Horror did earlier this year, and yet it wasn't a huge song for them.
Now the cover will probably sell millions because of it's association with XFactor.

I'm all for Biffy getting more exposure, and I'm not one of these people that think a band has sold out just because they've reached a wider audience, but it just baffles me that people are so easily influenced. I really think Cowell could have the winner release a cover of the alphabet song and people would still go out and buy it.

FortuneChip

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I really think Cowell could have the winner release a cover of the alphabet song and people would still go out and buy it.

I doubt it man, there's no key-change in that song!

Crasp

FortuneChip wrote: »

I doubt it man, there's no key-change in that song!

sure there are 7 changes in the first 7 letters! From A to B to C to D.......



:pac::pac::pac::pac:

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

FortuneChip wrote: »

I doubt it man, there's no key-change in that song!

They could easily stick on in. Do a little vocal run around P,Q,R,S and then a brief dramatic pause, up off the stool and key change for T,U,V ......

Simples. Look out Simon Cowell.