not able to receive rte 2

Linesky

hi folks can anybody help ? last few weeks now i cant receive RTE 2 from MT.linster, only audio.and i live quiet close to the transmitter here in wexford, the other Channels are fine do i have to change polarity on my aerial i am useing mpeg 4 box be glad of any help thanks.

fat-tony

RTE 2 is transmitting an HD resolution picture which is required of any Irish DTT compatible receiver. You may have one of the boxes on watty's "blacklist" www.saortv.info/terrestrial-saorview/the-black-list/
What's the make and model of your receiver?

Mr McBoatface

RTE2 switched to HD last week. You must have a receiver like the picnic box which will receive SD transmissions only. SD is broadcast in mpeg4 level3, the HD transmissions are broadcast in mpeg4 level4.

HD has and always was part of the Saorview spec yet some retailers sold equipment that could only handle SD material as Saorview compatible. If you where sold the receiver as being Saorview compatible bring it back to the retailer and get a refund.

Also if you do a rescan you will find that there is a SD version of RTE2, this temporary channel will be gone in April. On it's EPG(program guide) the following message appears:- This temporary service will cease 18 April 2011, viewers unable to receive RTÉ Two pictures on EPG channel 2 are using a TV or Set Top Box (STB) which is not compatible with the Irish DTT platform - Saorview

:RTÉNL endorse only Saorview approved equipment. Approved TV or STB will display RTÉ Two on EPG ch 2, viewers unable to view RTÉ Two pictures on EPG ch 2 need to replace their current DTT equipment and should contact the equipment supplier

watty

Linesky wrote: »

hi folks can anybody help ? last few weeks now i cant receive RTE 2 from MT.linster, only audio.and i live quiet close to the transmitter here in wexford, the other Channels are fine do i have to change polarity on my aerial i am useing mpeg 4 box be glad of any help thanks.

If your box is not on the Black list can you tell us the Make and Model?

fat-tony

Already asked that question of the OP and directed him to your website in case he wanted to quietly check for him/herself;)

watty

Must read threads more carefully

STB

Another one for the black list. There is some amount of rubbish being sold on ebay mainly fom the UK.

Opticum ft-24 HD - HP@L3 ie Standard Definition only. No good.

oh and the skyline is another L3 profile box so SD only - the source of these boxes is vanjak.

watty

Updated.
Skyline already on it unless there is more than one
http://www.saortv.info/terrestrial-saorview/the-black-list/

Linesky

Linesky wrote: »

hi folks can anybody help ? last few weeks now i cant receive RTE 2 from MT.linster, only audio.and i live quiet close to the transmitter here in wexford, the other Channels are fine do i have to change polarity on my aerial i am useing mpeg 4 box be glad of any help thanks.

thanks for t Reply, Yea i know there transmitting in HD the box i have is a Skyline, moddle no.STB 400 hope its not the box thanks again.

watty

Skyline is No Use at all for Irish Digital.

Get your money back if specifically sold for Irish Digital. It will work less and less

Brian0630

Bought TV star set top box, from Ebay. Good price and work very well for all free to air programs. Recomend

Sponge Bob

Who makes this Opticum Rubbish ??? I was told a model variously called the
Opticum XTS703p or XTS703 or XTS-703 or XTS 703 does not work with RTE2 either .


This unit is a cheap combi system. It is being sold In Ireland not just from the UK by eBay. That site seems to have another name for direct to consumer sales.

watty

Added to the Black List http://www.saortv.info/terrestrial-saorview/the-black-list/

I've sent both those Companies the Black List URL

Should we have a Rogue's Gallery of pictures too?

lolie

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Who makes this Opticum Rubbish ??? I was told a model variously called the
Opticum XTS703p or XTS703 or XTS-703 or XTS 703 does not work with RTE2 either .


This unit is a cheap combi system. It is being sold In Ireland not just from the UK by eBay. That site seems to have another name for direct to consumer sales.

My sister got her free to air and ariel installed today in her new house, she said the name on the box was opticum hd xts 703. I did a quick google search on it and would i be right in saying it will pick up the irish dtt stations now but not rte 2 come april and it hasn't mpeg 5 for digital teletext?? What about the box as a free to air receiver, is it a good quality box or just a dodgy cheap one? Thanks

St Senan

This is what your sister needs http://www.powercity.ie/?brands=WALKER&pages=1&par=10-23 and this http://www.satellite.ie/acatalog/Humax_Foxsat_HD_PVR_Freesat_.html
If what your sister got has not got these logos http://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://www.walker.ie/images/walker-saorview-logo.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.walker.ie/pages/saorview.html&usg=__pO2QXqb9DKs5NIFbMSWnI5H2IXA=&h=165&w=350&sz=16&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=zSEYSHybwtNqIM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=191&ei=csxrTfbMN8yxhAezsp3EDQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsaorview%2Blogo%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DC5l%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D570%26tbs%3Disch:1%26prmd%3Divns&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=402&oei=csxrTfbMN8yxhAezsp3EDQ&page=1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=77&ty=32 and http://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://mdcomms.net/img/freesat_logo_large.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mdcomms.net/&usg=__Zv7tGC4kzRem0tU1tWX8YYUST44=&h=300&w=350&sz=14&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=oLFjJN34ektlJM:&tbnh=128&tbnw=149&ei=osxrTf_WEYa4hAeLrsi9DQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfreesat%2Blogo%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DfQR%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D570%26tbs%3Disch:1%26prmd%3Divns&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=617&oei=osxrTf_WEYa4hAeLrsi9DQ&page=1&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=91&ty=54 on them tell her to get her money back.

watty

lolie wrote: »

My sister got her free to air and ariel installed today in her new house, she said the name on the box was opticum hd xts 703. I did a quick google search on it and would i be right in saying it will pick up the irish dtt stations now but not rte 2 come april and it hasn't mpeg 5 for digital teletext?? What about the box as a free to air receiver, is it a good quality box or just a dodgy cheap one? Thanks

If it's an "Opticum xts 703" She needs to get her money back on the box. Under Irish Sale of goods act the "opticum xts 703" is not fit for purpose.

But I'm not sure exactly what an "Opticum HD xts 703" is as only German/Swiss budget sellers have it without proper specifications. I suspect the HDMI is just SD or at best up-scaled. If this is the case it is mis-sold.

It's DVB-S and not DVB-S2 so it's unlikely to be really HD.

Black List http://www.saortv.info/terrestrial-saorview/the-black-list/

Both Aldi and Lidl have had Satellite receivers and DVD players that while having HDMI, are not at all HD.

lolie

Thanks scaller and watty. i'll have a chat to her about it when i see her. she's currently watching rte's on an 7 or 8 year old tv but is gonna buy a new bigger HD flatscreen tv with dtt later in the year anyway so should be okay for soarview then.
All the sites i've googled says the box has DVB-S and DVB-S2 so is that full hd for bbc hd, itv hd etc or upscaled?

watty

I could find no DVB-S2 references. Their previous products don't inspire.

Does it tune any DVB-S2 transponder here http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html
(not the Nigerian transponders)
ie. 11720 H tp 1 DVB-S2 MPEG-4/HD Videoguard 29500-3/4 QPSK
(You can't view the channel as it's encrypted, but should tune it)

Does it get TWO RTE2 channels? One with RTE2 programs on EPG and a 2nd RTE2 marked Temporary and April in the EPG?

If it does both these things, then it's really HD, but no MHEG5.

lolie

I wont get to check it out for a day or two, i'll tell her look for bbc hd and itv hd in the meantime.
So should he get a phone call telling him he's installing boxes that are not compatible with irish dtt as i'm sure he probably sold them to other people who are not planning on upgrading their tv saying they'd get the didital stations when analogue is off?

watty

BBC HD doesn't use DVB-S2, though it does use MPEG4 and HD.

It's not properly compatible anyway even if HD does work as it has no MHEG5, Nor Satellite guide.

Compton

I use Opticum 703 get get RTE HD, BBC HD and ITV HD no problem

s_gr

Watty,

I have an opticum combo box and it working fine! In HD. I see you have being listing receivers on a "black list" !

Maybe you can explain your testing procedures? Have you personally tested every receiver on this list?
As you are listing receivers that are working fine but dont have "MHEG5" maybe this could be added to the blacklist info.






[QUOTEi=watty;70917916]If it's an "Opticum xts 703" She needs to get her money back on the box. Under Irish Sale of goods act the "opticum xts 703" is not fit for purpose.

But I'm not sure exactly what an "Opticum HD xts 703" is as only German/Swiss budget sEllers have it without proper specifications. I suspect the HDMI is just SD or at best up-scaled. If this is the case it is mis-sold.

It's DVB-S and not DVB-S2 so it's unlikely to be really HD.

Black List http://www.saortv.info/terrestrial-saorview/the-black-list/

Both Aldi and Lidl have had Satellite receivers and DVD players that while having HDMI, are not at all HD.[/QUOTE]

watty

Which exact Opticom?

There are many variant models. Some definitely do not work at all with HD.

Some MPEG4 boxes do have HDMI and NO HD, they only receive the "temp" RTE2 and will never receive actual HD content even though they have HDMI and receive the SD MPEG4 channels.

Some will not downsample HD to SCART

I use a combination of negative reports (Users claim it doesn't worK) and examination of published specifications.

Sensible published specification on Opticum boxes seem to be non-existent. All the other black-listed gear has sensible publish specifications.

I have extensively tested the Neotion CAM and spoken with Neotion.

The onus is on manufactures to prove they should not be on Black list.

If I can see sensible specifications and have reports of exact model I will correct any errors.


Note that many boxes and TVs that do not meet mandatory standards are NOT on the Black List. Only one known combo is close to Irish Digital Compatible (a model that ironically doesn't work properly yet). The rest merely receive the Audio and Video.

s_gr

Opticum XTS703p

From Specs:
SD / HD (MPEG2 / MPEG4 H.264), DVB-S, DVB-S2, DVB-T

I can say its working with RTE 2 and all DTT Channels and other HD satellite channels fine, no MHEG5 but to be honest most people can live without it. Most existing tv's with MPEG4 tuners dont support MHEG5 either - so do we blacklist them also?

Compton

I use 2 of them: Opticum X703 - satellite+terrestrial and terrestrial only version Opticum HD FT24 both have RTE 2 HD and teletext! I use technical data from manufacturers site:
http://globo.com.pl/?y=3&cmd=show&category=2&prod_id=41
http://globo.com.pl/?y=3&cmd=show&category=3&prod_id=24

Mr McBoatface

s_gr wrote: »

Opticum XTS703p

From Specs:
SD / HD (MPEG2 / MPEG4 H.264), DVB-S, DVB-S2, DVB-T

I can say its working with RTE 2 and all DTT Channels and other HD satellite channels fine, no MHEG5 but to be honest most people can live without it. Most existing tv's with MPEG4 tuners dont support MHEG5 either - so do we blacklist them also?

Regarding picture Mpeg4 is not enough, Mpeg4 level3 will work only on SD , Mpeg4 level4 is required for HD like on Saorview RTE2 .

Are you getting two RTE2 channels ? One is SD (called Temporary) the other is HD

s_gr

Get both RTE HD and the temporary RTE so its HD and fully MPEG4 compliant

Compton

RTE 2 HD

s_gr

Yes i meant RTE 2 in 1080i and temporary RTE 2 in 576i !!

Compton

what is mheg5 used for?

s_gr

shblob wrote: »

what is mheg5 used for?

Take a look here

http://www.saortv.info/about/mheg5/

watty

See about MHEG5 (mandatory part of spec)

Does it have SCART also and downsample to it?

Has it got HE-AAC audio for stereo and surround?

Is Opticum XTS703p the exact model?

There are the following categories:
1) Black list. Won't do some aspect of sound or video
2) Incompatible. All sound and video work but other issues such as no MHEG5
3) Almost Irish Digital Compatible. "Freeview HD" are the the only known common products. Typically Channels in 800s and no traditional Teletext, which is ending in 2012 or 2013 anyway. e.g. LG xxLD490 TV sets (xx = screen size). many allow renumbering.
4) Irish Digital Compatible. Everything works as required, but you have to trust the manufacturer, as it's not certified. No OTA upgrades. e.g. LG xxLD450 TV sets (xx = screen size).
5) Saorview Compatible, it has a Saorview Certification. Compatibility ensured by 3rd party Teracom testing in Sweden.

Note as far as RTE are concerned there is no such thing as "Irish Digital Compatible" as they rightly point out how do you know without 3rd party certified test?

However the rest of the world is more realistic.

Actually most TVs that work on MPEG4 HD also do MHEG5 as all Freeview and Freeview HD sets do MHEG5.

It's now the tiny minority of sets that work with RTE 2 HD in the Shops that don't have MHEG5.

Can you provide a link to a proper specification?

Most of the people that claim the MHEG5 doesn't matter are dealers trying to dump stock.

vince

i have another channel today carrying rte 2 its called service 1108 on position 800 on my picnic box 801 also rte2 temp mullaganish area

RCSATELLITES

The Opticum XTS703p seems to be gone off the black list must of been a mistake
it does work.
Why have walker only got approved boxes they must of done some good deal.
Who ever heard of walker doing satellite or terrestrial boxes. all i now they do is tv's which really only power city sells.
They are make in Turkey i think.

Anyway would not pay 99.00 euro for a saorview logo
you can get the ferguson hd teresrail box for much less.
mite not have mheg5
but sure what does that do anyway

watty

Being a Dublin based Distributer, Walker thought to get in early.

Most Manufacturers probably didn't beleive we really rolling out DTT

False Starts in 1999, 2001, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010 (several).

The Opticum and other generic boxes would never pass. No MHEG5 which is mandatory (see link) to be compatible with Irish DTT.

An opticum distributer provided links to specifications, hence "black list" revision.

The point of certification is that you are trusting an Independent world trusted test house (Teracom) rather than a Manufacturer or Distributer you never heard of that the TV or Set-box is 100% compatible with Irish Digital Terrestrial TV.

It's not like even big names like Philips or Panasonic can be trusted to have gear that works properly... hence the Certification scheme. It's about €17K to €20k. As a purchaser you are NOT paying for a Saorview logo, but peace of mind that the TV or set-box will work properly to day and in 2013 after ASO also.

Any of the "Freeview HD" boxes or TVs work FAR better than any Opticum or generic Combo.

Vestel make the Walker Badged box. They also make many of the branded UK "Freeview" (don't work here) and "Freeview HD" Certified boxes by very well known brands and also for Currys and Tesco own brands.

RCSATELLITES

Thanks for the great info Watty cleared up a few things i was thinking about.
Any news on the TRIAX TR112 I heard it will be also getting approved for Saorview?

Thanks

The Cush

RCSATELLITES wrote: »

Any news on the TRIAX TR112 I heard it will be also getting approved for Saorview?

Should be up on the new Saorview website today according to this post last week - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71112535&postcount=156

RCSATELLITES

Thats good news cush thanks for the info
I was a bit wary of the walker boxes but i have used
triax sr110 satellite receivers for a long time and still not 1 faulty
so hope there terrestrail box will have the same reliability