Pearse Doherty (SF)'s Opposition Speech

PomBear

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1207/budget_political_reax.html#video

gotta say I listen to all and agreed with it 100%, great speech, 100% on the ball.

baldbear

RTE won't let him on Prime time? or am i missing something?

corigi

PomBear wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1207/budget_political_reax.html#video

gotta say I listen to all and agreed with it 100%, great speech, 100% on the ball.

+1 Totally agreed with just about everything he said.

charlemont

great speech..

Peadar_85

It certainly looks like he's a man on a mission

Nozebleed

impressive. honest. refreshing.

20Cent

Speech of the day, pity most of the tds had hit the bar by then.

Ardennes1944

lets hope the elections will represent the view expressed here

CorkMan

We need more of that.

If Gerry Adams gets in I would be delighted to hear the same from him.

Happyman42

Fairly cheap rant tbh. Water off the f***s backs.

Happyman42

Happyman42 wrote: »

Fairly cheap rant tbh. Water off the f***s backs.

It was Shakespearean in comparisant to the other passionless speeches.

Happyman42

rarnes1 wrote: »

It was Shakespearean in comparisant to the other passionless speeches.

Still a rant though.....the budget is a done deal...Rae and Lowry and the rest of them will vote this through. None of them has the balls to vote it down. SF can rant all they want.

CorkMan

I don't like Gombeens. Healy-Rae is a part of what is wrong with the system.

Ardennes1944

Happyman42 wrote: »

Still a rant though.....the budget is a done deal...Rae and Lowry and the rest of them will vote this through. None of them has the balls to vote it down. SF can rant all they want.

so were supposed to bend over and take it quietly?id rather go down shouting tbh

Tucker Max

I thought it was a great speech

Liked that he called out those 2 Gombeens Healy Ray and Lowry.

As far as I'm concerned this Budget is Economic Genocide
Fianna fail are persecuting the poor like the Nazis persecuted the Jews
Any TD or independent that votes in favour of this Budget are as complicit as the collaborators and scum that loaded the trains to the camps and sent the Jews to the gas chambers.

I'm giving Sinn Fein my number 1 in the next election

The only thing I'd give Fianna Fail, Healy Ray, Lowry and the Greens is Auschwitz

Happyman42

Tucker Max wrote: »

I thought it was a great speech

Liked that he called out those 2 Gombeens Healy Ray and Lowry.

As far as I'm concerned this Budget is Economic Genocide
Fianna fail are persecuting the poor like the Nazis persecuted the Jews
Any TD or independent that votes in favour of this Budget are as complicit as the collaborators and scum that loaded the trains to the camps and sent the Jews to the gas chambers.

I'm giving Sinn Fein my number 1 in the next election

The only thing I'd give Fianna Fail, Healy Ray, Lowry and the Greens is Auschwitz

Godwin in, Happyman Out...it's the law!:rolleyes:

Banjaxed82

I'd vote for the guy. A pity he's a VERY rare breed in Sinn Fein though. Snodaigh sitting next to him sums up Sinn Fein's problems. Listen to both of them in interviews and the gulf is unreal.

silverharp

it was funny in parts, but I didnt get the impression he had a great grasp of how an economy works. If a great speech in the Dail is poking at some of the "low hanging fruit" like TD's salaries , then it just shows how poor the discourse is in the Dail.

Tipp Man

As usual from his party, lots of huff and puff with little to no substance to back it up

Riamfada

Tipp Man wrote: »

As usual from his party, lots of huff and puff with little to no substance to back it up

It was nice to hear some home truths handed to Fianna Fail, specifically with regards to their salarys and the Rae/Lowry situation.

I still would never vote Sinn Fein.

PomBear

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

I'd vote for the guy. A pity he's a VERY rare breed in Sinn Fein though. Snodaigh sitting next to him sums up Sinn Fein's problems. Listen to both of them in interviews and the gulf is unreal.

O'Snodaigh's no eejit though, and still an improvement on your Burtons and Noonans

rasper

Well done , keep it coming , we need more honest TD's like Mr Doherty

bob50

Very impressed with the new SF TD Spoke very well

PomBear

Tipp Man wrote: »

As usual from his party, lots of huff and puff with little to no substance to back it up

Pre Budget Submissions
High Court Cases in the Government
Great Councillors
Faultless TDs.


What more do you want?

Sir Oxman

I particularly liked the way Coughlan whined to the leas cathaoirleach to remind Doherty to call her by her title (ignoring the point he was making about TDs pay) and he resumed by saying 'Minister Mary Coughlan should close her mouth when I'm speaking'

caseyann

I was raging he had to skip majority of his speech

flutered

i agree he has good, nearly as good as noonans filleting of the eu dunce.

Joey the lips

Shut up mary.....


Oh ok....Minister Mary.....

Priceless....

Slugs

In fairness though, I thought Noonan made a decent criticism of the budget. In comparison to the usual tripe I've heard the spastic Enda Kenny throw around, it contained some actually good suggestions.

Gonna have a listen to Doherty in a bit...

CorkMan

Pearse Doherty > Martin Luther King

glasto

That was some inspiring performace alright. He was the only speaker that seemed to reflect the anger of the nation. Personally voting for the Shinners would be a very difficult thing for me as I'm from the north, but he was the only one speaking today that I agreed with.

Revolution9

Very passionate. His anger seems genuine.

Not a lover of Sinn Fein, but I do hope the people of Donegal re-elect Doherty in a few months

professore

silverharp wrote:

I didnt get the impression he had a great grasp of how an economy works.

Like Cowen and Lenihan ?

Trotter

Interesting to see what bothered Mary Coughlan most was him calling her.. Mary.

Slugs

Can I get a definition of gombeen? :P

caseyann

Slugs wrote: »

Can I get a definition of gombeen? :P

Plonker,thick,idiot,:D

glasto

CorkMan wrote: »

Pearse Doherty > Martin Luther King

Get a grip man!

Joey the lips

glasto wrote: »

Get a grip man!

I agree...I thought ghandi and his equality of life was more appropiate myself...

CorkMan

I'm only joking! Just taking advantage of the praise that Pearse Doherty has been getting today.

I didn't mean it literally.

Slugs

For a guy who only got into government in the last month, he's handling himself well. Though realistically, his only opposition is the tanaiste seeing as Cowen pissed off near the start.

How is it this guy is getting to speak though o.O? Wouldn't/shouldn't a more senior member of SF have been given the duty?

Trotter

I thought his speech was the best I've heard in the Dáil in years.

Im torn though. Im not nor have I ever been a Sinn Féin voter. I still feel very uneasy that they have t-shirts which are very much in bad taste for want of a better description for sale on their website.

I would love to see Sinn Féin move further away from their past and concentrate on the here and now, as Deputy Doherty did today.

Could I vote SF? No. Not while actions that I believe were wrong are still left undealt with by SF. I understand many of the Irish parties have origins and past events which give them 'a violent history' as such, but there are more recent attitudes and events which block me from considering giving them a vote.

I remember seeing one of their TDs (please correct me if Im wrong), collecting the killers of Garda McCabe from prison. This made me very uneasy regardless of their policies. I also feel uneasy at some of the things on sale on their website.

Not to draw the thread further off topic, but I presume the motivation for giving Deputy Doherty a high profile position is to give SF a higher profile position also when making these speeches.

While he was hugely impressive today, I think there are still many issues outstanding which respectfully, would stop me from voting for SF.

Joey the lips

Slugs wrote: »

For a guy who only got into government in the last month, he's handling himself well. Though realistically, his only opposition is the tanaiste seeing as Cowen pissed off near the start.

How is it this guy is getting to speak though o.O? Wouldn't/shouldn't a more senior member of SF have been given the duty?

He might have only got into govt...But he is on the ground years.... This is something the normal joe soap does not realise....

Slugs

Seems like it, but that still doesn't tell me why he was given the responsibility. Perhaps SF are going for a new face in the republic's politics?

dyl10

I don't care who he is or where he came from, that's the best speech I've heard given in Ireland in a long time.

ArtSmart

He just said he'd be happy to join with Labour and other left parties on tv3. on now

ArtSmart

the doc has him cornered though - wait - he's off the ropes...

Tipp Man

PomBear wrote: »

Pre Budget Submissions
High Court Cases in the Government
Great Councillors
Faultless TDs.


What more do you want?

Pre budget submissions that are absolute pie in the sky - in the real world that submission wouldn't have a hope of stabilising and improving this country

And don't make me laugh about faultless td's, tell me who collected the McCabe murders from prison? Which current td's are strong supporters/members of paramilitary organisations?

Revolution9

Slugs wrote: »

For a guy who only got into government in the last month, he's handling himself well. Though realistically, his only opposition is the tanaiste seeing as Cowen pissed off near the start.

How is it this guy is getting to speak though o.O? Wouldn't/shouldn't a more senior member of SF have been given the duty?

Sinn Fein in government :rolleyes:
Not quite yet, he was elected to the Dail.

And he had the balls, for want of a better word, to take FF to the courts over the by-election in his area, which neither FG or Labour thought to do, so he's already shown he's willing to take the current government on quite aggresively.

Blowfish

Slugs wrote: »

Seems like it, but that still doesn't tell me why he was given the responsibility. Perhaps SF are going for a new face in the republic's politics?

Basically, SF aren't stupid. They've deliberately portrayed Doherty as representing the antithesis to the government in that he's young, free from cronyism having never sat in the Dail and shows a hell of a lot of passion in his delivery which will cause the large section of the populace feeling anger/frustration to immediately identify with him.

Tipp Man

ArtSmart wrote: »

He just said he'd be happy to join with Labour and other left parties on tv3. on now

And what a pile of crap he came out with, is it possible to mention the words tax increase more in a 5 minute interview?

His, and sinn fein, numbers come nowhere near to adding up, it's populist crap

dyl10

Tipp Man wrote: »

His, and sinn fein, numbers come nowhere near to adding up, it's populist crap

Neither have anyone elses for the last 5 years, what's new? :rolleyes: