Are we Vikings or Celts or What?

TeddyTedson

What are we? Where did we come from?

Saila

under the cabbage leaves

Links234

where are we going? what will we do when we get there?

4zn76tysfajdxp

Ireland.

DonJose

We ain't Vikings, we ain't Celts, we're fukked, we're fukked I tell ye!!!

Cheap Thrills!

The hot ones are vikings, the other ones, not so much. :cool:

TeddyTedson

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

The hot ones are vikings, the other ones, not so much. :cool:

I thought it was the opposite. Aren't the Vikings the original gingers?
How do I find out which one I am?

Mr Benevolent

The Celts never existed in Ireland, they were made up to make an English king seem less German.

TeddyTedson

Confab wrote: »

The Celts never existed in Ireland, they were made up to make an English king seem less German.

So we're Vikings then..../thread.

Cheap Thrills!

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I thought it was the opposite. Aren't the Vikings the original gingers?
How do I find out which one I am?

Well. internet I suppose.

The theory sort of goes that in the main we are aboriginal Europeans, sort of found around the outskirts of then Europe. So it seems we have more in common with Basques. some of us. I get the impression basques are somewhat dark and possibly long of face. Though that could be Celts, they're like the French, and Welsh and Scottish.

Then you have the real sex! Danes, Sweedish, Norweigan and the like!

~sigh~

What was I on about there?

Killer Pigeon

TeddyTedson wrote: »

What are we? Where did we come from?

Neither. We are feckless potato men.

TeddyTedson

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

Well. internet I suppose.

The theory sort of goes that in the main we are aboriginal Europeans, sort of found around the outskirts of then Europe. So it seems we have more in common with Basques. some of us. I get the impression basques are somewhat dark and possibly long of face. Though that could be Celts, they're like the French, and Welsh and Scottish.

Then you have the real sex! Danes, Sweedish, Norweigan and the like!

~sigh~

What was I on about there?

Aren't the French supposed to be the best looking country and we're kinda....near the other end. How is this if we both come from the same people?

Dave!

We're Scottish

scientific1982

Neither, we're pale Basques from Turkey.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article7009643.ece

Einhard

Ya know those annoying Spanish students who flood into Ireland every summer, clog up the footpaths by walking 14 abreast, rob from the shops, and piss ye off when you're younger by using their Latin charm to rob all the local girls? We're them. Only uglier.

http://moderntribalist.blogspot.com/2005/12/modern-irish-are-descended-from-first.html

Einhard

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Aren't the French supposed to be the best looking country and we're kinda....near the other end. How is this if we both come from the same people?

Generations of ridin yer second cousin does that to ye!

Mahatma coat

Well I'm a Norman

Thats like a viking but with a tendency to build magnificent Castles and Cathedrals

Einhard

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Well I'm a Norman

Thats like a viking but with a tendency to build magnificent Castles and Cathedrals

Normans aren't like Vikings, they are Vikings. Well, direct descendents of original Norse settlers anyway. So if you're Norman, you're Viking! Ye bloodythirsty marauder!

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Theres actually a genetic difference between west coast and east coast people, as the people in the east have more Viking and Norman blood.

cuppa

must be norman then .we like building stuff and leave it scattered around falling apart

TeddyTedson

Einhard wrote: »

Generations of ridin yer second cousin does that to ye!

Is this true?:eek: Are we the offspring of inbreds?
If this is true I feel so embarrassed? Why!

Riamfada

There is a feckin archaeology forum!

TeddyTedson

Grimes wrote: »

There is a feckin archaeology forum!

A what? This is AH!!! Love it here.

Riamfada

Well in that case ... most of us


are BRITISH

Riamfada

Einhard wrote: »

Normans aren't like Vikings, they are Vikings. Well, direct descendents of original Norse settlers anyway. So if you're Norman, you're Viking! Ye bloodythirsty marauder!

Normans come from Normandy, Vikings come from Norway. I know there are a lot of "N"s there but there is somewhat of a geographical distinction.

Einhard

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Is this true?:eek: Are we the offspring of inbreds?
If this is true I feel so embarrassed? Why!

No need to be embarassed. Sure it saves on the Christmas presents when your mother and your aunt and possibly your uncle are the same person!:D

Seriously though, there are a few places in Ireland where there has been a high degree of inbreeding over the years. When you live in a small town or village it's bound to happen. Some places have higher rates than others. I know Ireland has quite high rates of many genetic conditions, so perhaps there's a link there somewhere.

Esel

I'm Fir Bolg. Don't know about the rest of you miscegenates.

TeddyTedson

How would I know if I was a bit inbred? Would I get diseases? Isn't there people in Ireland who found out after they had kids together that they're related and they're having more? What are the consequences of this? Is it better to to have kids with different races then? I'm not fully Irish so does that mean I'm not inbred?

Einhard

Grimes wrote: »

Normans come from Normandy, Vikings come from Norway. I know there are a lot of "N"s there but there is somewhat of a geographical distinction.

Vikings didn't just come from Norway. They came from Scandinavia. And the Norman duchy was established by descendents of Viking raiders who settled along the channel coast. In 912, a Viking by the name of Rollo accepted Christianity, swore an oath of vassalage to the French king, and became lord of Rouen. His great grandson received the title of dux in 1006, and it was his great grandson, William the Conqueror, who invaded England in 1066. So, as the etymology of the name implies, the Normans were Northmen, ie Vikings.

Hope ye like that humble pie!

Esel

TeddyTedson wrote: »

How would I know if I was a bit inbred? Would I get diseases? Isn't there people in Ireland who found out after they had kids together that they're related and they're having more? What are the consequences of this? Is it better to to have kids with different races then? I'm not fully Irish so does that mean I'm not inbred?

Asking a load of questions is one of the signs, unless you are five years old. Are we there yet? (repeat ad nauseam).

Einhard

TeddyTedson wrote: »

How would I know if I was a bit inbred? Would I get diseases? Isn't there people in Ireland who found out after they had kids together that they're related and they're having more? What are the consequences of this? Is it better to to have kids with different races then? I'm not fully Irish so does that mean I'm not inbred?

Well paranoia is one sure sign of in breeding Teddy...

TeddyTedson

esel wrote: »

Asking a load of questions is one of the signs, unless you are five years old. Are we there yet? (repeat ad nauseam).

lol, yea was thinking that myself just as I posted that!
I think it's because it's late on my brain has gone really stupid. I better go to sleep.

Seloth

Stork?

Lirange

Genetic map of Europe.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/science/13visual.html?_r=3

Basically one big orgy. Except for the Finns.

ardinn

So no-one is ridin the finns - I think I did a finn in Cran Canaria

LordSutch

Chap on the radio talking about the first people settling here only about nine or ten thousand years ago, he had heard the 'Basque theory' but that realistically, the first humans in Ireland probably came across a land bridge from Scotland (only twenty miles today), failing that they just rowed across the very short distance from Scotland .

Vikings, Normans, etc, arrived a lot later.

Zillah

All the joking aside, I'm actually quite impressed that a couple people linked the Basque thing on page 1. I expected After Hours to do a lot worse than that.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter. The genetics of any group is a mix of lots of places, and even if you picked one spot our main ancestors came from, then you ask where they came from, and then the next and the next. We're all primates from Africa, and before that shrews from continents that no longer exist, and before that an ocean of frothing microbial activity.

Awesome thing that a lot of people don't know is that if you go back far enough, every atom of our solar system, including our own sun and our very bodies, was once in the nuclear heart of a massive star that died billions of years ago.

Nifty. Hence Moby's song. Because he knows more about science than you do.

EDIT: Wait, no. Moby is a moron. Some illiterate gibberish about quantum mechanics. His heart was in the right place though.

jimthemental

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Well I'm a Norman

Thats like a viking but with a tendency to build magnificent Castles and Cathedrals

Same, got celtic names all through aswell. Our family history is very traceable, it's nice to know where your people come from.

Riamfada

Einhard wrote: »

Vikings didn't just come from Norway. They came from Scandinavia. And the Norman duchy was established by descendents of Viking raiders who settled along the channel coast. In 912, a Viking by the name of Rollo accepted Christianity, swore an oath of vassalage to the French king, and became lord of Rouen. His great grandson received the title of dux in 1006, and it was his great grandson, William the Conqueror, who invaded England in 1066. So, as the etymology of the name implies, the Normans were Northmen, ie Vikings.

Hope ye like that humble pie!

Essentially we all came from Africa, depends how far back you wana go

bonerm

Einhard wrote: »

Vikings didn't just come from Norway. They came from Scandinavia. And the Norman duchy was established by descendents of Viking raiders who settled along the channel coast. In 912, a Viking by the name of Rollo accepted Christianity, swore an oath of vassalage to the French king, and became lord of Rouen. His great grandson received the title of dux in 1006, and it was his great grandson, William the Conqueror, who invaded England in 1066. So, as the etymology of the name implies, the Normans were Northmen, ie Vikings.

Hope ye like that humble pie!

You appear to be full of Norman wisdom.

Kev_ps3

TeddyTedson wrote: »

What are we? Where did we come from?

Most of us are of Celtic origin. Some have Viking blood in us. Some have English blood.

WindSock

The Vikingr in my area came from Denmark, but most in Ireland were from Norway, afaik.

Wibbs

Grimes wrote: »

Essentially we all came from Africa, depends how far back you wana go

Welll..... maybe not all of our modern human DNA. Europeans have Neanderthal DNA which Africans dont. The Asian human story is even more interesting. Out of africa is a theory that IMHO is way too simplistic. Hell we're all fish if you go back far enough

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Most of us are of Celtic origin. Some have Viking blood in us. Some have English blood.

The "Celts" are not us. Not even close. Even the Roman records where we first hear of the name are vague on where they're from. Mostly central and eastern European though. We're about as Celt as we are Roman. Yes "celtic" influences came here, but that's about it. The whole Celtic notion is more to do with a Victorian flight of fancy than the reality. English blood is closer to us as to make little difference. They consider themselves Saxon, yet their saxon DNA input it pretty tiny, all in the east and falling off rapidly.

Einhard

bonerm wrote: »

You appear to be full of Norman wisdom.

Took me a moment of slowly scratching my head before I got that!

Riddle101

How can one be so precise as to know where we trace our origins? Considering that Ireland has played host to Celts, Vikings, Normans and English and Scottish settlers. the bloodlines would be very broad. I don't know, I reckon we're more decended from Normans then we are of Vikings and Celts, but that dosen't mean we're not influenced by them either.

Kess73

Angel Handsome Cub wrote: »

Ireland.

Town.

Krusader

TeddyTedson wrote: »

What are we? Where did we come from?

We are Gaels, with a minor mix of Britons, Norse and Norman

Enkidu

Zillah wrote: »

Anyway, it doesn't really matter. The genetics of any group is a mix of lots of places,

Well that's actually the surprising thing, most groups do not really have genes which are a mix of loads of places. For instance us and Britain have had the same genetics for roughly the last 12,000 years, despite all the invasions.

and even if you picked one spot our main ancestors came from, then you ask where they came from, and then the next and the next. We're all primates from Africa, and before that shrews from continents that no longer exist, and before that an ocean of frothing microbial activity.

Well I don't think that makes it not matter, any question in human history could be declared to not matter because it's just a subcomponent for the universe's history.

Rockery Woman

I thought we descended from the Basque people.

Would love to know where the brown eyed black haired Irish descended from ....

I would like to think I descended from the Vikings to be honest:D

who the fug

Mongrels, which is good

Krusader

If your name is McLoughlin. Mac Lochlainn ,chances are you are decended from the Vikings as it means 'son of a Viking'
also Doyle, O'Doyle, MacDowell, O'Dowell Ó Dubhghaill, decendant of a dark foreigner, which is what the Gaels called the vikings