Micheal Martin on The Frontline

Liam Byrne

Yet again, an FF high-ranker disassociates them from their own actions.

"Fianna Fail have problems with popularity because of things that have happened"

No acknowledgement that Fianna Fail are having problems because of things that they chose to do.

They just don't do accountability.

Nozebleed

Fianna Fail are finished.

Im glad they've given poor aul Pat Carey a break though..
He got a rough week or two of it there..

NewHillel

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Yet again, an FF high-ranker disassociates them from their own actions.

"Fianna Fail have problems with popularity because of things that have happened"

No acknowledgement that Fianna Fail are having problems because of things that they chose to do.

They just don't do accountability.

Micháel Martin has promised to support FG reforms of the Public Service, cannot be fairer than that!

Liam Byrne

NewHillel wrote: »

Micháel Martin has promised to support FG reforms of the Public Service, cannot be fairer than that!

Interesting that he supports reforms NOW........they've been in Government for 10 years and devised the benchmarking raises that make those reforms absolutely essential.

Why didn't he support those while they were in power, rather than now that they're being evicted ?

Mr Velo

Was just watching it there and wondering how Micheál Martin is able to get back into this sh*t after the family tragedy which befell them a few weeks back.

I guess it's part of the job but his frame of mind has to be affected in some way by it.

Liam Byrne

Mr Velo wrote: »

I guess it's part of the job but his frame of mind has to be affected in some way by it.

You don't need to guess; it is part of his job and he's being well paid for it.

efb

MM canvassing well for Leader of the opposition job!

efb

Liam Byrne wrote: »

You don't need to guess; it is part of his job and he's being well paid for it.

Being well paid, doesnt make getting over tragedy any easier!

NewHillel

Nozebleed wrote: »

Fianna Fail are finished.

Not even close - they have by far the best organisation in the country. Their Youth Movement (Ógra Fianna Fáil) would put the Hitler Youth Movement to shame.

They'll (We'll?) be back after the next election, stronger than ever.
Micheál's leadership bid is live on our screens, and some think that Brian Lenihan is bad??

DublinWriter

I'll be voting Fianna Fail because I WANT THEM TO CLEAN UP THE MESS THEY CREATED!

Put your emotions aside for a minute and you'll see that they don't actively want to be re-elected. Vast swathes of them are taking the pension next year and getting out of dodge.

Liam Byrne

"Cowen doesn't go for spin-doctoring and believes reality is reality"

Yeah, Martin, that's why he answers every question put to him with "I don't accept that".

efb

MMFF going forward, now 10000000000000% more slick!!!

NewHillel

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Interesting that he supports reforms NOW........they've been in Government for 10 years and devised the benchmarking raises that make those reforms absolutely essential.

Why didn't he support those while they were in power, rather than now that they're being evicted ?

You don't get it, benchmarking was the start of the reform - they just didn't have a chance to finish it off. At least they had the chance to get their own pay and benefits sorted. :P

Funkfield

I wonder where does he put his overcoat when he is on Frontline?

Bjorn Bored.

yea but where does he leave his overcoat?

plonk

That woman from kilkenny doesnt have a clue.

efb

with the dagger for Brian in it...

Brian is trying to kill himself with a spoon

Liam Byrne

efb wrote: »

Being well paid, doesnt make getting over tragedy any easier!

At least you could probably sleep at night knowing someone got the best care possible.

I'm not belittling the tragedy, btw.......been there once removed. I was just answering the poster who said "I guess it's part of his job".

NewHillel

Mary won't vote for Enda, fair play for her - she could vote for Sarah's party. She wants Labour and the Shinners - we'll be sorry that we didn't stick with Brian.

efb

Liam Byrne wrote: »

At least you could probably sleep at night knowing someone got the best care possible.

I'm not belittling the tragedy, btw.......been there once removed. I was just answering the poster who said "I guess it's part of his job".

lots of people I know had considerably longer grievance leave following a loss of a child, it is very soon to be back.

stepbar

Nurse on 38k paying an 18k mortgage per year supports a Left Wing Alliance..... Let's bring back Communism!!! Maybe protectionism!!! Because they're successful policies :rolleyes:

Clown :rolleyes:

This is the attidute we are facing in the civil service / public sector. God help us all....

NewHillel

efb wrote: »

lots of people I know had considerably longer grievance leave following a loss of a child, it is very soon to be back.

Putting country before family.

PCPhoto

stepbar wrote: »

Nurse on 38k paying an 18k mortgage per year supports a Left Wing Alliance..... Let's bring back Communism!!!

Clown :rolleyes:

how the frock can someone earning 38K get a mortgage paying 18K per year...proves how much this country is fúcked ..... so glad I couldn't afford a mortgage in the boom times....despite the banks offering me several hundred thousand....and my parents offering me the "deposit"

steelcityblues

unbelievably biased show!

Reiminds me of the Question Time show delibarately planted against Nick Griffin.

freewheeler

NewHillel wrote: »

Putting country before family.

Someone from FF putting the country first?? that'll be the day....

stepbar

PCPhoto wrote: »

how the frock can someone earning 38K get a mortgage paying 18K per year...

38k * 5 = 190k. A 100k mortgage at present is roughly 600 - 700 p.m * 2 comes close to 18k a year.

The rules allow 5 times gross earnings.

Judgement Day

Another lightweight programme from the master of the genre. Nice balanced panel too, not to mention an audience that seemed to consist of handpicked FF muck savages. :rolleyes:

Dublinman12

NewHillel wrote: »

Mary won't vote for Enda, fair play for her - she could vote for Sarah's party. She wants Labour and the Shinners - we'll be sorry that we didn't stick with Brian.

If a government can bring this country to its knees and get back into government after a general election then we are a complete farce ...we need political reform but first we need fianna fail out for the sheer arrogance and greed they have shown over the past 13 years and not the last 2...dismantle all those quango's for a start......

so when you make a point that we should stick with Brian(you obviously havent lost your job) ..i get deja vue when people were saying we should stick with Bertie..look where that got us...

sceptre

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Yeah, Martin, that's why he answers every question put to him with "I don't accept that".

A propos of almost nothing, I was reading oireachtas debates from 1981 earlier today and that used to be a favourite Dáil response of Fianna Fail's Pee Flynn. The faces change (just about) but the responses remain the same.

freewheeler

Deleted User wrote: »

Im glad they've given poor aul Pat Carey a break though..
He got a rough week or two of it there..

'poor aul Pat Carey' is just another FF stooge..wheeled out to peddle the usual FF bull****..he fully deserved the derision that he recieved!

Mr Velo

efb wrote: »

lots of people I know had considerably longer grievance leave following a loss of a child, it is very soon to be back.

That's my point really - very soon to be back in the firing line like this - regardless of whether he's paid for it or not.

jmayo

plonk wrote: »

That woman from kilkenny doesnt have a clue.

Ahhh a poor nurse on 38k paying 18k mortgage. :rolleyes:

Could someone please tell that ignorant dyed in the wool ffer that people don't get paid based on their bills. :rolleyes:

Judgement Day wrote: »

Another lightweight programme from the master of the genre. Nice balanced panel too, not to mention an audience that seemed to consist of handpicked FF muck savages. :rolleyes:

Isn't it nice to see all the ffers out now salivating at the thought of poor old micheal martin leading the party.
It appears their last great white hope, brian lenihan, has been consigned to the scrap heap after once again running away with the worst finance minister in Europe award, thanks to his selling out the country to save the banks.
They do have one thing in common, their supporters play the sympathy card every time someone questions their ability.

Also did anyone notice good old "independent" former ffer joe behan ar**licking ff.
He gave biffo a rousing recommendation.
Who will put a bet on he will be back in the fold within two years ?
Another typical forked tongue ffer. :rolleyes:

Sir Oxman

The revisionism is stepping up a gear.
And the IT journalist was correct - FF have always put their party, their people ahead of our country.
Make no mistake.

eurokev

pat kennys sickening too. Everytime someone mentioned pay for ministers he rushed them along so it didnt move onto his outrageous wages. ~I think 3 people mentioned politicians pay in early audience questions and he just hurried them along awkwardly. Then did not ask the question to martin. God I cant stand him

sh1tstirrer

DublinWriter wrote: »

I'll be voting Fianna Fail because I WANT THEM TO CLEAN UP THE MESS THEY CREATED!.

Do you honestly think that they are capable of doing that? What happens when they create an even bigger mess?

Follow the Plan

Useless show tonight, seems to me that there was 2 ff's on the panel and 2 weak panelists with plenty off ff's in the crowd. Great to see ff planning ahead. The scumbags.

Liam Byrne

eurokev wrote: »

pat kennys sickening too. Everytime someone mentioned pay for ministers he rushed them along so it didnt move onto his outrageous wages. ~I think 3 people mentioned politicians pay in early audience questions and he just hurried them along awkwardly. Then did not ask the question to martin. God I cant stand him

I noticed that too. When someone mentioned it Pat went on to a second audience member and then put HIS question to Martin.

Judgement Day

Yeah, there's something stomach churning about watching a vastly overpaid disc jockey like PK dealing with these matters - a bit like 'Mammy' Finnucane and her Christmas appeal for the Simon Community. Sorry for going off topic - and so to bed.

bleg

efb wrote: »

Being well paid, doesnt make getting over tragedy any easier!

If it's affecting him he should resign, everybody would understand if getting over a tragedy that befell him like that was affecting his performance.

freewheeler

freewheeler wrote: »

'poor aul Pat Carey' is just another FF stooge..wheeled out to peddle the usual FF bull****..he fully deserved the derision that he recieved!

I know ya, but i found him one of the more likeable FF b*stards..
He was the minister for geagtacht affairs for f*ck sake..and he was the one they wheeled out as the imf came in..

Carolyyn

Follow the Plan wrote: »

Useless show tonight, seems to me that there was 2 ff's on the panel and 2 weak panelists with plenty off ff's in the crowd. Great to see ff planning ahead. The scumbags.

Agreed and they don't come any weaker than idiotic Sarah Carey, who comes across as someone who never had an original thought in her life.
She ended up quoting extremist FF supporter Eoin Harris's ranting in yesterday's Sunday Indo and his predictions on how the next Dail is going to pan out! Really love, I wouldn't take a lot of notice of what mad Eoin has to say, afterall his patron is that prime example of an Irish statesman, Bertie Ahern.

Browney7

The audience seemed to have a lot more Fianna Failers in it than 13%. Very balanced as always from RTE. They let articulate people on to represent Fianna Failure and less articulate people people for the other side.

A fine Party political broadcast in association with RTE :rolleyes:

Focalbhach

stepbar wrote: »

Nurse on 38k paying an 18k mortgage per year supports a Left Wing Alliance.....

This is the attidute we are facing in the civil service / public sector. God help us all....

To clarify, what we know of this woman:

... she's a dyed-in-the-wool-civil-war-hangover-Fianna-Fáiler.
... she's currently unhappy with Fianna Fáil.
... she works as a nurse.
... she lives in Kilkenny.
... she may have taken out more of a mortgage than she should've.

Based on that - and I'll say here that I think only 'Kilkenny' is less significant than 'nurse' in forming her rant - I'd love to hear if you have a good reason for taking her personal views and painting them liberally on everyone in a public service job. It just looks to me like you're latching onto a fairly tenuous reason for a general public sector rant.

ninty9er

The audience was biased, but for **** sake it has is sickeningly anti Fianna Fáil and pro absolutely nothing 99.9% of the time. If SF and FG get an easy ride from time to time, why not FF.

That's about the most FF friendly broadcast on RTÉ since the Bertie v Dobbo interview.

Sir Oxman

Some guy on VB said Twitter is heaving with messages that the 13% must be stuffed into the Frontline audience tonight.

And do you know what, they're right.

Disgrace of a show the night before the budget (even in ordinary times)

NewHillel

Dublinman12 wrote: »

If a government can bring this country to its knees and get back into government after a general election then we are a complete farce ...we need political reform but first we need fianna fail out for the sheer arrogance and greed they have shown over the past 13 years and not the last 2...dismantle all those quango's for a start......

so when you make a point that we should stick with Brian(you obviously havent lost your job) ..i get deja vue when people were saying we should stick with Bertie..look where that got us...

I am in absolute agreement with you that we need political reform. There is no evidence to suggest that FG and/or Labour will bring that reform. Their current rhetoric, albeit pre-election, is not promising.

I genuinely admire Brian L, but believe that FF deserve a long period in opposition. I am not convinced that we will get this. If they hold their nerve, and the current situation is unprecedented, they will be back in four years time.

NewHillel

eurokev wrote: »

pat kennys sickening too. Everytime someone mentioned pay for ministers he rushed them along so it didnt move onto his outrageous wages. ~I think 3 people mentioned politicians pay in early audience questions and he just hurried them along awkwardly. Then did not ask the question to martin. God I cant stand him

It'll be interesting to see what the budget does for ministers pay, tomorrow. I'm expecting that it will follow the figures in the National Recovery Plan - i.e.

First 12,000 0%
Between 12,001 and 24,000 6%
Between 24,001 and 60,000 9%
Balance above 60,001 12%

I hope I'm wrong and that there's a genuine attempt to roll back the outrageous benefits taht exiting ministers will receive. I'm not holding my breath!

the groutch

at the start of the show it should have said:
"The following programme is a party political broadcast on behalf of Fianna Fail"

20Cent

NewHillel wrote: »

I am in absolute agreement with you that we need political reform. There is no evidence to suggest that FG and/or Labour will bring that reform. Their current rhetoric, albeit pre-election, is not promising.

I genuinely admire Brian L, but believe that FF deserve a long period in opposition. I am not convinced that we will get this. If they hold their nerve, and the current situation is unprecedented, they will be back in four years time.

FG are saying they will do the following.
Looks like some reform but not enough imho.

1. A Single Chamber Oireachtas.
2. A New Dáil: Fine Gael wants to expand the role and power of TDs so that they can truly hold the Government to account.
3. Open Government: Trust in government will be restored by opening it up to outside scrutiny and making party political funding more transparent.
4. Empowering the Citizen: We want to shift the balance of power between the State and the Citizen so that local communities and individuals have more power over their own lives.

Specifically, as outlined in ‘New Politics’, Fine Gael will:
Reduce the number of TDs by 20;
Hold a referendum on the abolition of the Seanad;
Provide a vote in Presidential elections for Irish citizens living abroad;
Create a new ‘Citizen’s Assembly’;
Reduce the President’s term from seven years to five;
Significantly strengthen Freedom of Information making it cheaper and easier for the public to receive information to which they are entitled.
Fortify the Dáil committee system to hold the Government to account;
Shift power from the Cabinet to the Dáil and reform the legislative process to give TDs real influence over the drafting of legislation.
Radically overhaul our archaic Budget process.
Create a new Senior Civil Service;

Brussels Sprout

eurokev wrote: »

pat kennys sickening too. Everytime someone mentioned pay for ministers he rushed them along so it didnt move onto his outrageous wages. ~I think 3 people mentioned politicians pay in early audience questions and he just hurried them along awkwardly. Then did not ask the question to martin. God I cant stand him

Marian Finucane did the exact same thing on her radio show last week when her guests were asking the latvian ambassador about the wages of politicians and senior civil servants in his country. She cut them off with news of the 'latest texts' which were conveniently about some other topic.