Prime Time Investigates on Southill now

gaf1983

There's a Prime Time Investigates special at the moment on about joyriding dickheads making people's lives miserable in Southill.

Bullseye1

God help those people having to live with those scumbags. We should have military service for these thugs. Knock them into shape.

seachto7

very very sad programme, and only in the road from me....

as for the scumbags, what comes out of a crows egg, only another crow...

There was nothing for me to do where I grew up either, but I didn't go robbing....

JonathanAnon

seachto7 wrote: »

There was nothing for me to do where I grew up either, but I didn't go robbing....

That's what really bothers me.. They say oh shure what hope do we have, there's no work, no opportunities, "nothing else to do but rob"... They are given 200 euro every week by the state, without having to work a day.. And they have the whole week to apply for jobs, or try and better themselves if they wish...

moonboy52

I knew it was bad in Southill, but damn it is pretty shocking and is certainly an eye-opener.

Comhrá

Another (yawn) "fine" production by the RTE Entertainment/Drama Dept.

Becoming a twice yearly event now. . . "The Limerick Files"

When can we have a similar programme based on some of the going's-on

from a deprived area of Dublin? A little variety and balance would be nice.

I mean.....haven't they got young deprived criminals and thugs there too?

J.

gaf1983

seachto7 wrote: »

very very sad programme, and only in the road from me....

There was nothing for me to do where I grew up either, but I didn't go robbing....

Depressing stuff all right. You're right too about the "there's nothing for us to do" excuse.

tippman1 wrote: »

Another (yawn) "fine" production by the RTE Entertainment/Drama Dept.

Becoming a twice yearly event now. . . The Limerick Files"

When can we have a similar programme based on some of the going's-on

from a deprived area of Dublin? A little variety and balance would be nice.

I mean.....haven't they got young deprived criminals and thugs there too?

J.

So would you prefer if RTE buried their heads in the sand and ignored Limerick's problems?

Resi12

Southill should always be getting the flack Moyross did, it's truly awful up there. I feel horrible for these people living in fear.

These scumbags are truly disgusting and are clearly in need of rehabilitation, they have no mind for themselves. Only living in what they think they should be.

seachto7

I was thinking that as well, why another programme on Limerick. But at least they are showing normal people who are the victims, as well as the scum.

Teclo

Where is the 82nd Airborne when you need them?

Nozebleed

this is mental viewing....and im from tallaght.

Resi12

Nozebleed wrote: »

this is mental viewing....and im from tallaght.

Please do not think this is a general view of Limerick, just certain areas.

Amazotheamazing

Teclo wrote: »

Where is the 82nd Airborne when you need them?

Trying to restore order to Raheen and Dooradoyle, seemingly those places are the real hellholes in Limerick (judging by the posts on here anyhow).

We need to stop viewing the four estates as homogenous entities, imo. It is, imo, far easier to solve the issues west of the Shannon in Moyross and Thomondgate.

fryup

good god!! was it always that bad?

when did the rot set in??

Comhrá

So would you prefer if RTE buried their heads in the sand and ignored Limerick's problems?

But they've shown Southill/Moyross now on several progorammes.

When did we have a similar documentary focussed on areas of say, Cork, or Dublin? It always seems to be Limerick IMHO.

J.

punchdrunk

tippman1 wrote: »

But they've shown Southill/Moyross now on several progorammes.

When did we have a similar documentary focussed on areas of say, Cork, or Dublin? It always seems to be Limerick IMHO.

J.

I'm from Coolock and while parts of it are awful,this makes it look like Disney land!

gaf1983

tippman1 wrote: »

When did we have a similar documentary focussed on areas of say, Cork, or Dublin? It always seems to be Limerick IMHO.

I don't know. My own opinion is that programmes like this, by keeping the spotlight on the problems, might go some way to help towards finding solutions to these problems being kept high on the political agenda.

seachto7

They are going to follow it up on The Frontline later...

Nozebleed

honestly...im in shock after watching that program. every honest person living in those estates should just up sticks and leave.

Amazotheamazing

fryup wrote: »

good god!! was it always that bad?

when did the rot set in??

There are/were two types of people in council housing estates a)the ones who want to get out and b) the ones who want to get hand-outs.

Over the years, the ones who wanted to get out, did get out. They made sure their kids had a good education/trade etc. You'll find their kids in the estates near the council estates, the fine, middle-class areas from Castletroy to Clareview. Every year more and more good people leave the estates. That's the function of the estates, they aren't meant to be homes for successive generations.

The ones who want to live on handouts are the ones who no one knows how to deal with.

shoppergal

God this program made me sick. Feel so sorry for the older women who really have no way out.

When you have little crapheads saying they don't care if they go to prison cos it'll be the taxpayer who pays for them to be there it just makes my blood boil.

CiaranC

tippman1 wrote: »

Another (yawn) "fine" production by the RTE Entertainment/Drama Dept.

Becoming a twice yearly event now. . . "The Limerick Files"

When can we have a similar programme based on some of the going's-on

from a deprived area of Dublin? A little variety and balance would be nice.

I mean.....haven't they got young deprived criminals and thugs there too?

J.

I dont think there are any areas in Dublin nearly this bad. Shocking stuff.

Amazotheamazing

CiaranC wrote: »

I dont think there are any areas in Dublin nearly this bad. Shocking stuff.

It's hard to compare but I think you could find areas in Ballymun, Jobstown, Finglas etc that you could make the same documentary. You always have to remember that the estates are a small part of a city of 90,000 people.

seachto7

CiaranC wrote: »

I dont think there are any areas in Dublin nearly this bad. Shocking stuff.

If you don't mind me saying so, that's bullsh*t.....

Dotsie~tmp

I'd like to take a f*cking flame thrower to that place and the scum infecting it.

snowman707

tippman1 wrote: »

Another (yawn) "fine" production by the RTE Entertainment/Drama Dept.

Becoming a twice yearly event now. . . "The Limerick Files"

When can we have a similar programme based on some of the going's-on

from a deprived area of Dublin? A little variety and balance would be nice.

I mean.....haven't they got young deprived criminals and thugs there too?

J.

maybe you should look on your own doorstep, from what I hear Tipp town isn't exactly heaven on earth lately

CiaranC

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

It's hard to compare but I think you could find areas in Ballymun, Jobstown, Finglas etc that you could make the same documentary. You always have to remember that the estates are a small part of a city of 90,000 people.

Maybe parts of Finglas, yeah. The likes of Ballymun and Jobstown are nothing like they used to be though. The Government obviously hasnt invested in these parts of Limerick to anything like the same level.

Amazotheamazing

CiaranC wrote: »

Maybe parts of Finglas, yeah. The likes of Ballymun and Jobstown are nothing like they used to be though. The Government obviously hasnt invested in these parts of Limerick to anything like the same level.

Well it depends, I could grab a camera and make a documentary about how two Munster rugby players (Keith Earls and Declan Cusack) are from Moyross and Kileely. I could show the new Thomond Park on the edge of Moyross, the campus of Limerick Institute of Technology on the edge of Moyross etc. Make a really feel good docu about the changing nature of Moyross etc.

The problem with these productions is they show one side or the other. There is massive problems in the estates, but they are fixable problems, we shouldn't start viewing them as permanent or unsolveable.

Comhrá

I'm pretty sure there are several areas of any of the main cities where similar deprivation exists, along with similar antisocial issues worthy of a Prime Time
expose, but the media - mainly RTE, have constantly highlighted Limerick's plight
along with some very creative and professional camera-work, to create the impression that Southill resembles Saigon or Beirut. A good camera-angle tells a thousand words.

The same effects - burning cars, breaking glass, shouting, swearing etc. could be applied to any similar estate in any city in Ireland.

And I'm not being paranoid here. I'm not even from Limerick even though I live here.

J.

Nozebleed

i think people from tallaght will look at this and be astonished how bad limerick has become. it would'nt happen in tallaght. it was a bit dodgy years ago with joyriders and the like..but then we got the square! no all the kids hang out there!

Dempo1

Absolutely disgraceful stuff, whilst i knew things were bad, i had not imagined the wild west. Jesus Christ what are local representatives doing, WTF is this Regional development Board up to (**** all apart from a few children's playgrounds), what are the Gardai up too (its not so long ago we witnessed armed patrols on the streets in limerick, by all accounts these patrols should have been in the estates and stayed there). I could not help but be cynical at the arrival of a Garda car outside Mc Carthys house, could this have been the surveillance camera spotting the RTE crew?

What i fail to understand is why the authorities are not bulldozing every house that has been abandoned, indeed the one beside Mc Carthys house included. I am sure there are thousands of unemployed construction workers who would relish the opportunity to go into these Kips and demolish every single abandoned property. In the mean time get Limerick Co Council off its arse, finish some ghost estates and re house the few decent people remaining.

That little thug thanking tax payers for looking after him while in prison.

Time to demolish these estates and leave the remaining scumbags behind (seems to me everyone clearly knows who they are), it would be interesting to see how long they would last intimidating their own kind.

Final comment for the So Called tough Justice Minister Ahern, i hope he had time to watch this program! Shame on him!

Comhrá

maybe you should look on your own doorstep, from what I hear Tipp town isn't exactly heaven on earth lately

snowman707,
That's exactly the point I'm making........Tipp Town, Kilrush, Cork City...

A good TV programme can paint any of these places pretty well as badly as they paint Limerick City.

John.

Orizio

tippman1 wrote: »

But they've shown Southill/Moyross now on several progorammes.

When did we have a similar documentary focussed on areas of say, Cork, or Dublin? It always seems to be Limerick IMHO.

J.

Please provide an example of an area in Cork as bad as Moyross.

Insect Overlord

Orizio wrote: »

Please provide an example of an area in Cork as bad as Moyross.

Please do not turn this thread into a regional rivalries argument.

Comhrá

Please provide an example of an area in Cork as bad as Moyross.

Orizio,

I can't possibly quantify how "bad" any specific areas is in relation to anywhere else.

By "bad", do you mean the number of murders, muggings, or the number of convicted criminals per head of population?

The point I'm trying to make is the unfair perception the media constantly heaps on the specific areas of Limerick.

John.

Amazotheamazing

Orizio wrote: »

Please provide an example of an area in Cork as bad as Moyross.

Just out of curiosity, have you ever been to Moyross?

watchingthepols

I recognised one of the Limerick victims as a well know Willie O'Dea voter. And I thought to myself, WTF.

They go around pledging their loyalty to a man taking in around euro 160,000 per year while they are living in this kind of ****.

O'Dea has represented Limerick in the Dail for 28 years now, including 11 years at the cabinet table & a period as junior minister in the department of justice.

I just despair. When will people open their eyes!

gaf1983

tippman1 wrote: »

...
along with some very creative and professional camera-work, to create the impression that Southill resembles Saigon or Beirut. A good camera-angle tells a thousand words.

The only creative camera angles I remembered were the ones used to disguise the terrified residents' identities.

To Amazo, you're right about LIT and Thomond Park being on the edge of Moyross - you'd also be right if you mentioned the massive fences segregating both places from Moyross.

The point is, of course there are positive stories coming from these areas. Of course there are other deprived areas of the country. I think it is worthwhile making a programme highlighting the scandal that residents in Ireland's third biggest city feel their only chance of survival is to leave their homes.

Comhrá

Just out of curiosity, have you ever been to Moyross?

Yes, I have. I live not too far from it. I used to live very close to it a few years back and I have walked every part of it.

John.

Amazotheamazing

tippman1 wrote: »

Yes, I have. I live not too far from it. I used to live very close to it a few years back and I have walked every part of it.

John.

I was asking the Corkman who says there's no place in Cork like it. If he's so sure, i'd like to know he's actually seen the place for himself.

I've been all around it too and it's not the place the tv shows it to be, neither is it some wonderland that gets a massively unfair rap. Some parts of it are fine, some parts are awful.

Comhrá

I've been all around it too and it's not the place the tv shows it to be, neither is it some wonderland that gets a massively unfair rap. Some parts of it are fine, some parts are awful.

Exactly my own perception. The parts portrayed in Prime Time don't show the proportion of the areas that cause all the problems.

I just feel the RTE create a disproportionate impression that Moyross and Southill are totally out of control and lawless.

I'm not trying to deny there are serious problems.....but don't over-dramatise.

John.






John.

Browney7

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

There are/were two types of people in council housing estates a)the ones who want to get out and b) the ones who want to get hand-outs.

Over the years, the ones who wanted to get out, did get out. They made sure their kids had a good education/trade etc. You'll find their kids in the estates near the council estates, the fine, middle-class areas from Castletroy to Clareview. Every year more and more good people leave the estates. That's the function of the estates, they aren't meant to be homes for successive generations.

The ones who want to live on handouts are the ones who no one knows how to deal with.

Spot on there.

I despair for Limerick when I see programmes like this because there are some great people living all over Limerick but there are always a few little shits that try to make life a misery for everyone. Half the time the answer from the council to problem families is to rehouse them in private estates making life hell for people in those settled estates. Troublesome families should get NOTHING from the state. No House, no Welfare, no child benefit and have the guards sitting on them 24/7 until they cop the fuck on. This will never happen though.

The Frontline panelists are going on about special schools for young kids but what happens when they go home to their mothers and fathers who have probably never worked a day in their lives and don't give two flying fucks about their kids.

RonMexico

Why does this always descend into an argument about Limerick versus other areas and RTE bias. People need to get real and accept that to date the political will has not been there to confront this problem.

I highly doubt that anything will be done to rectify the situation. The regeneration farce is looking like another shambles with some very questionable issues arising out of it already. Also will it even be feasible given that we are broke?

Anyway so long as the government are content to allow a culture of social welfare leeches making a career out of avoiding work and our judges continue to live in another reality and our police force remains a laughing stock then forget about any change to the current situation.

Doom

Send in the army, and keep them there

adrian IMO

i thinks its all down to the crap parents. i had to laugh at some of the people interviewed begging to be moved and it was there little scumbag kids causing the trouble.

i hope people dont fall the bullpoo that was shown, moving the scumbags out will only lead to the little fecking making sh1t of the new area they move into.

osarusan

We need to nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

munstergirl

This program was very sad, small pockets of limerick neglected by IRELAND.

Shocking stuff, decent people terrified in their own houses, where are the gardai? There is not enough gardai on the streets of these estates, put 1 outside every house if necessary. Recruit more gardai if necessary, or bring in the army to patrol the streets of these neglected areas.

Decent people should be allowed to feel safe in their houses. Building new houses regeneration is not going to solve anything.

Education needs to be tackled + social services need to bring kids into care.

Regeneration house building is going to bring 2,000 jobs to the city, wander how many of the builders will be from limerick.

These trouble estates don't know what they will be like in 20 years time as limericks unemployment is at a record high and growing every day.

I know there are great things about limerick too, and prime time could have shown all the nice parts too, but that does not solve anything.

RonMexico

If the army came in it would solve nothing unless they were given the go ahead to confront gang members and use deadly force. Which will never happen.

Anyway why do you think the gardai are laughed at and abused to their face by these scum? Because the do-gooder brigade has tied their hands and rendered them useless.

Gazza1000

It seems to me that the Irish prison system has a lot to do with the ongoing troubles in many areas around Ireland. We are offering 4 star accommodation to thugs who are more that happy to avail of a bit of R&R once they have notched up enough slaps on the wrists. If there is no fear (or even inconvenience) in being sent to prison then we as a country are only pissing into the wind. The sad fact about it is that nothing will change..... We'll still be debating this, this time next year and that is a frustrating and sad fact.

CiaranMT

Gazza1000 wrote: »

It seems to me that the Irish prison system has a lot to do with the ongoing troubles in many areas around Ireland. We are offering 4 star accommodation to thugs who are more that happy to avail of a bit of R&R once they have notched up enough slaps on the wrists. If there is no fear (or even inconvenience) in being sent to prison then we as a country are only pissing into the wind. The sad fact about it is that nothing will change..... We'll still be debating this, this time next year and that is a frustrating and sad fact.

That's what I took from it - the only possible punishment is seen as a joke by everyone in that video.

They also say it'll be great to see friends and the like already locked up.

This could be stopped by 1) making prisons spartan, as they should be, and 2) locking criminals up in different locations, separating friends and gang members.

MardiB

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

It's hard to compare but I think you could find areas in Ballymun, Jobstown, Finglas etc that you could make the same documentary. You always have to remember that the estates are a small part of a city of 90,000 people.

I'm fron Dublin and while I can't really speak as to Ballymun or parts of Finglas I worked for a few years quite recently in Jobstown and it is not bad at all. While it had a bad rep a few years ago it is quite a mature estate so a lot of setteled families etc. I found it to be quite safe and there is a good sense of community there.