Paul Scholes(in prime) vs. Xavi

DOC09UNAM

Why were my posts deleted when they were on topic? Could the mod who deleted them at least pm the person to say Why? Ffs.

Pro. F

d22ontour wrote: »

Scholes is the greatest player United have had in the last 20 years.

Have to disagree with that.
I'd definitely have Keane ahead of him and probably Cantona too.

d22ontour

Pro. F wrote: »

probably Cantona too.

This i have to laugh at. Cantona seriously, any United fan who views him as a club great is a bit of a clown imo.He was a premiership player at best.
Useless in Europe for club or country.
We were on the up when he joined, he didn't bring fook all together, he joined a team on the verge of greatness.
There is a difference.
Hughes > Cantona if you want club greatness.He got lucky and joined us at the right time.When he was voted best United player of all time i pissed myself laughing.He would not make a top ten, never mind best of all time...

:mad:

Pro. F

d22ontour wrote: »

This i have to laugh at. Cantona seriously, any United fan who views him as a club great is a bit of a clown imo.He was a premiership player at best.
Useless in Europe for club or country.
We were on the up when he joined, he didn't bring fook all together, he joined a team on the verge of greatness.
There is a difference.
Hughes > Cantona if you want club greatness.He got lucky and joined us at the right time.When he was voted best United player of all time i pissed myself laughing.He would not make a top ten, never mind best of all time...

:mad:

I agree he failed in Europe with us, but tbf the whole team under Fergie took a while to get to grips with the CL for those years. And I agree he is not the all time best United player.

As for the rest of your post - lol
Man that is some crazy shít you've got going on there.

Hulk Hands

Micah Richards : "He's always in the right position, always seems to be at the end of the box when the ball drops in. The complete midfielder - when he's fit, he's the best. Some go missing but he's in the right place at the right time. He's my favourite player of all-time, unbelievable. If you give him a chance it's a goal, isn't it?"

Glenn Hoddle : "There isn’t a player of his mould anywhere else in the world."

Terry Venables : "He’s the best one- or two-touch passer in the country. He sees the game unlike any other player."

Alan Shearer : "If you ask footballers to pick out the player they most admire, so many of them will pick Paul Scholes. He can tackle, and his passing and shooting is of the highest level. He’s the most consistent and naturally gifted player we’ve had for a long, long time."

Edgar Davids : "I'm not the best, Paul Scholes is."

Cesc Fabregas : "He is the one whose level I aspire to. He is the best player in the Premier League."

Patrick Vieira : "The player in the Premiership I admire most? Easy - Scholes."

Sam Allardyce : "There is not a better midfield player in the world."

Kevin Keegan : "What United have got that Chelsea haven't is Paul Scholes. I think he is different to anything else in English football."

Gordon Strachan : "Paul Scholes has been the best England midfield player for 30-odd years. You'd probably have to go back to Bobby Charlton to find someone who could do as much as Scholes. When the ball arrives at his feet he could tell you where every player on that pitch is at that moment. His awareness is superb."

Veron while at Chelsea being asked in an interview who's the best english player : "Paul Scholes."

Peter Schmeichel : "People say he is a great player, but you have to define what a great player is, For me, it is a player who has a bottom level that means his worst performance is not noticed.If he is having a bad game, a team-mate might feel Paul Scholes is not quite on his game, but a spectator wouldn't notice. Scholes, of all the players I have played with, has the highest bottom level. His reading of the game is unsurpassed.He has an eye for a pass, for what the play or the game needs at that precise moment, that I have never seen anyone else have. He controls and distributes the play and the game better than anyone I have ever seen."

Laurent Blanc : "Scholes is the best English player. Intelligence, technique, strength... all the attributes are there. At Manchester United I saw what he could do on the training field. Phew!"

Rio Ferdinand : "For me, it's Paul Scholes. He'll do ridiculous things in training like say, "You see that tree over there?" - it'll be 40 yards away - "I'm going to hit it". And he'll do it. Everyone at the club considers him the best."

Add this to the list of quotes from Zidane, Lippi etc there a few pages back. Surely these lads are the best to judge? The 3 highlighted are especially relevant.

To the United fans choosing Keane, Ronaldo etc, thats fair enough. But remember that the majority of them (Keane, Rooney, Giggs) choose Scholes as United's best player in recent times. (The Narcassist Ronaldo surely differs though!)

d22ontour

Pro. F wrote: »

Man that is some crazy shít you've got going on there.

Realism unfortunately...

He was a good player Bill not a great player springs to mind.

I would have Hughes in any United team everyday of the week ahead of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuqCuFbAUXQ

Legend.

Xavi6

d22ontour wrote: »

This i have to laugh at. Cantona seriously, any United fan who views him as a club great is a bit of a clown imo.He was a premiership player at best.
Useless in Europe for club or country.
We were on the up when he joined, he didn't bring fook all together, he joined a team on the verge of greatness.
There is a difference.
Hughes > Cantona if you want club greatness.He got lucky and joined us at the right time.When he was voted best United player of all time i pissed myself laughing.He would not make a top ten, never mind best of all time...

:mad:

Brave man!

Has there ever been a 'Critique Cantona' thread? T'would be epic.

Pro. F

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Add this to the list of quotes from Zidane, Lippi etc there a few pages back. Surely these lads are the best to judge? The 3 highlighted are especially relevant.

To the United fans choosing Keane, Ronaldo etc, thats fair enough. But remember that the majority of them (Keane, Rooney, Giggs) choose as United's best player in recent times. (The Narcassist Ronaldo surely differs though!)

So what if some footballers said some polite and positive things about him in an interview? Just because they are good footballers doesn't mean they are good analysts of the game. Using their quotes is just a tedious appeal to higher authority tbh.

Hulk Hands

To be fair Cantona is the man accredited with dragging United out of the doldrums. Before 1993, United hadnt won a title in 25+ years. Cantona was the main man that season. He was the talisman for United's transformation from under achievers to winners once again. He may not be up there ability wise with some United greats, but he is a hugely influential figure in the clubs history. Without Cantona, who knows where United would be now

dreamers75

Xavi6 wrote: »

Brave man!

Has there ever been a 'Critique Cantona' thread? T'would be epic.

No hes their best ever player dont you know.

In my world he cleans scholes boots.

Hulk Hands

Pro. F wrote: »

So what if some footballers said some polite and positive things about him in an interview? Just because they are good footballers doesn't mean they are good analysts of the game. Using their quotes is just a tedious appeal to higher authority tbh.

The thing is these types of quotes aren't said about many players though, opponents and teammates alike.

I for one like reading the opinions of respected football authorities. Remember you have some respected managers in there (lippi, strachan) as well as good footballers.

It's not an appeal to higher authority. I have given my case for numerous pages before reverting to quotes. They are merely an argumentative tool

Blatter

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Add this to the list of quotes from Zidane, Lippi etc there a few pages back. Surely these lads are the best to judge? The 3 highlighted are especially relevant.

To the United fans choosing Keane, Ronaldo etc, thats fair enough. But remember that the majority of them (Keane, Rooney, Giggs) choose Scholes as United's best player in recent times. (The Narcassist Ronaldo surely differs though!)

Exactly, the likes of Zidane(who played in the same league as Xavi), Davids and Gudjohnson(who both played with Xavi) say Scholes is the best.

Yet we still have people on this thread claiming thats it's only shortsighted united fans who claims Scholes is the greatest and that Scholes is the best English player, Xavi is the best in the world. Absolute b******t .

It's just pure ignorance and disrespect.

DOC09UNAM

dreamers75 wrote: »

No hes their best ever player dont you know.

In my world he cleans scholes boots.

Yeah but in your world iniesta is a filthy Scumbag, so i imagine a few people don't care about your world.

Pro. F

Hulk Hands wrote: »

The thing is these types of quotes aren't said about many players though, opponents and teammates alike.

I for one like reading the opinions of respected football authorities. Remember you have some respected managers in there (lippi, strachan) as well as good footballers.

It's not an appeal to higher authority. I have given my case for numerous pages before reverting to quotes. They are merely an argumentative tool

Fair enough you've made your case without quotes as well.

Personally I think a bunch of quotes from a mixed bag of ''footballing authorities'' is useless in a discussion like this.

Hulk Hands

dreamers75 wrote: »

In my world he cleans scholes boots.

Funnily enough, as a youth player it was probably the other way around for Scholes. Must have thought he was the luckiest kid in the world, scraping s***e off Cantona's boot.

dreamers75

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Yeah but in your world iniesta is a filthy Scumbag, so i imagine a few people don't care about your world.

Sheeple


Not my fault they are that way, not allowed say anything about the player who cheated his way to 2 CL medals and and a EC /WC medal. Again no doubting this players ability its the fact hes a cheat and has been rewarded for cheating 4 feckin times.

ironingbored

I'm sure in 20 years time when Xavi is polishing his WC, EC, numerous CL and Spanish League medals he will be the more satisfied.

gosplan

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Eh, would you care to read the bit you pulled out of my post again? I said that mature United fans see Scholes as our greatest. Where in that did I mention vs Xavi?

OK so you view the question as the best player of Man U's Fergie era vrs someone else. My point was that it's kind of obvious how Man U fans are going to vote on a question like that. And if we don't have any non-Man U fans here arguing for Scholes, then the thread is kind of pointless, isn't it.

Also give us a break with the whole underrated, shy, nice-chap Paul Scholes nonsense. There's only so often people can call you the most underrated player before it's not true anymore.

Plus your average football pundit who speaks with a footballing sense designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator will pretty much all nowadays say what you're saying about Scholes:

Oh people talk about the Giggs and the Keanes and the Beckhams but give me Paul Scholes any day

It's straight from the mentally challenged match of the day couch and it's become more obvoius and popular in the last couple of years as his career's heading towards it's finish. For me it holds about the same relevance as Giggs recent player of the season award.

So my point is that Man United fan's will obviously go one way on this thread whereas everyone else can see the obvious answer.

Now I notice we're digging up quotes about Paul Scholes. Most of them wouldn't by any chance be a response to a question asked about Paul Scholes would they?

Hulk Hands

gosplan wrote: »

OK so you view the question as the best player of Man U's Fergie era vrs someone else. My point was that it's kind of obvious how Man U fans are going to vote on a question like that.

In the exact same way as non United fans will pick Xavi without thinking. I'll admit, if someone put up a Gerrard vs Iniesta poll, I would be straight in voting iniesta without thinking about it. Same thing happening here. There are more ABU's here than United fans.

gosplan wrote: »

Plus your average football pundit who speaks with a footballing sense designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator will pretty much all nowadays say what you're saying about Scholes:

It's straight from the mentally challenged match of the day couch and it's become more obvoius and popular in the last couple of years as his career's heading towards it's finish. For me it holds about the same relevance as Giggs recent player of the season award.

Dont be such a condescending knob. You think we all rate Scholes so highly because we think it makes us sound like intelligent football fans? Thats retarded. We also have Rooney, Giggs hype shoved down our throats and used to with many other players. This isn't coming from listening to pundits, this is coming from years of watching United every week, and seeing how much worse we were without him in the side. Not every football fan bar yourself are idiots having their opinion formed by match of the day. We have much much more of the sentimental view with Giggs being heard every week yet you don't see threads comparing him in his prime to Messi.

gosplan wrote: »

Now I notice we're digging up quotes about Paul Scholes. Most of them wouldn't by any chance be a response to a question asked about Paul Scholes would they?

No, if you cared to read them, many of them are in response to questions such as "best player in the premiership" or "your toughest opponent"

gosplan

Hulk Hands wrote: »

In the exact same way as non United fans will pick Xavi without thinking. I'll admit, if someone put up a Gerrard vs Iniesta poll, I would be straight in voting iniesta without thinking about it. Same thing happening here. There are more ABU's here than United fans.

Sorry but we don't all work that way. I'm a rational free-thinking football fan. You may assume that everyone here picked Xavi cause we hate united and maybe some of them did, however I know quite a few impartial clear-thinking posters whose opinions I respect and I'm pretty sure they'd be of the same opinion as I am. Scholes amazing, Xavi better.

By your rational, there's actually no point in discussing any United rated matters here because everyone is either United or ABU. I don't think it's that way. There is a lot of nonsense, granted but you just need to look out for the sensible people.

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Dont be such a condescending knob.

Don't make personal remarks.

Hulk Hands wrote: »

You think we all rate Scholes so highly because we think it makes us sound like intelligent football fans? Thats retarded.

No, you said that mature football fans rate him as your best and I simply said that's the standard line trotted out these days if you ask anyone for Man U's best player over the last 10-15 years.

I'm not sure where you got the rest from.

Hulk Hands wrote: »

No, if you cared to read them, many of them are in response to questions such as "best player in the premiership" or "your toughest opponent"

Hmm, the post isn't about best player in the premiership though, is it?

Blatter

gosplan wrote: »

Hmm, the post isn't about best player in the premiership though, is it?

Zidane was asked who was his toughest ever opponent and he said Scholes. He went on to say how Scholes is the complete player. Other players have said similar.

I would personally discard quotes that were replys to questions directly about Scholes, it would be silly to think much of them.



Another factor in the voting here is that aswell as there being alot of ABUs, there's also alot of Barcelona fanboys who will vote Xavi without thinking.

Here's another quote from Pique about the two of them..

“I think they are two of the best players I have ever seen. With the ball they are fantastic. I remember one day I was talking with Xavi and he said, for him, Paul Scholes was one of the best players he had ever seen. I think the two like each other because they like the same football and it's really beautiful.”

CorkMan

If Xavi was born in England and played with Paul Scholes in the national side, England would have won 3 world cups.

Paul Tergat

CorkMan wrote: »

If Xavi was born in England and played with Paul Scholes in the national side, England would have won 3 world cups.

we'd still be bottlers :P

SantryRed

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

Zidane was asked who was his toughest ever opponent and he said Scholes. He went on to say how Scholes is the complete player. Other players have said similar.

I would personally discard quotes that were replys to questions directly about Scholes, it would be silly to think much of them.



Another factor in the voting here is that aswell as there being alot of ABUs, there's also alot of Barcelona fanboys who will vote Xavi without thinking.

Here's another quote from Pique about the two of them..

And there's no one voting for Scholes without thinking? :pac: What absolute bull.

Blatter

SantryRed wrote: »

And there's no one voting for Scholes without thinking? :pac: What absolute bull.

Never said that.

my point is number of ABUs and barca fanboys >>>>>>>> single minded united fans

Unfortunately theres not a whole lot of people outside these groups.

Those that are actually contibuted decent points to the discussion.

Nalz

d22ontour wrote: »

Realism unfortunately...

He was a good player Bill not a great player springs to mind.

I would have Hughes in any United team everyday of the week ahead of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuqCuFbAUXQ

Legend.

That almost made me cry (I know I know) but it was around the time when I first knew who was who and really started to watch United. Of course I had no choice with my Dad being who he is!!

This thread is getting silly now. I wonder what Scholes and Xavi would think if they read this... lets all move on, I was worse to get involved in it!