DART Users - OPEN WINDOWS - Please!!

tomcollins97

An appeal to those DART users who are lucky to have a seat or happen to be standing beside a window..

..Please spare a thought to those standing packed in like sardines in a tin. When you have no space around you it gets hot and feels like there is a lack of air.

Packed journeys are more comfortable with more air so if you are beside a window on a packed train PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE OPEN IT
Thanks,
TC

CIE

You sure you posted this during the right season? That white stuff is kinda cold out there.

tomcollins97

But there is none of the white stuff in a carriage just lots and lots of bodies giving off heat and breathing the same air.

loyatemu

tomcollins97 wrote: »

An appeal to those DART users who are lucky to have a seat or happen to be standing beside a window..

..Please spare a thought to those standing packed in like sardines in a tin. When you have no space around you it gets hot and feels like there is a lack of air.

Packed journeys are more comfortable with more air so if you are beside a window on a packed train PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE OPEN IT
Thanks,
TC

why don't you ask one of the people on the train - I doubt many of them are reading boards right now...

Victor

The things is, most people will be dressed for the weather outside, not for being inside in a heated space.

Ernest

Victor is quite right!.
Its not just in summer that windows need to be opened. Rush hour can be stifling in all weathers and there seems to be a complete reluctance by most passengers to open carriage windows ( perhaps not wishing to displease other commuters or perhaps simply through laziness )
Ideally, all carriages should be air conditioned but even those that are fitted with air condioning often seem not to work effectively or perhaps the drivers turn them off for whatever reason or do not know how to operate them properly.

CIE

Victor wrote: »

The things is, most people will be dressed for the weather outside, not for being inside in a heated space

If it's cold enough for snow, it's cold enough to rapidly chill the interior of the train if a window is opened. Do you see people driving in this weather with the windows open for purposes other than tobacco smoke ventilation?

markpb

CIE wrote: »

If it's cold enough for snow, it's cold enough to rapidly chill the interior of the train if a window is opened. Do you see people driving in this weather with the windows open for purposes other than tobacco smoke ventilation?

Do you see cars packed to the same density as a rush hour dart?

millb

tomcollins97 wrote: »

An appeal to those DART users who are lucky to have a seat or happen to be standing beside a window..

..Please spare a thought to those standing packed in like sardines in a tin. When you have no space around you it gets hot and feels like there is a lack of air.

Packed journeys are more comfortable with more air so if you are beside a window on a packed train PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE OPEN IT
Thanks,
TC

the odd window open on the Luas too would help.

tomcollins97

loyatemu wrote: »

why don't you ask one of the people on the train - I doubt many of them are reading boards right now...

I have tried that - most of the time you are ignored or can only manage to get the one window open.

Maybe a few people are reading boards - you never know!

tomcollins97

Ernest wrote: »

Victor is quite right!.
Its not just in summer that windows need to be opened. Rush hour can be stifling in all weathers and there seems to be a complete reluctance by most passengers to open carriage windows ( perhaps not wishing to displease other commuters or perhaps simply through laziness )
.

The main problem is that the windows are beside the seats, and when sitting people like a bit of warmth. They are too ignorant to realise the discomfort of those standing on a packed train for a long journey

tomcollins97

CIE wrote: »

If it's cold enough for snow, it's cold enough to rapidly chill the interior of the train if a window is opened. Do you see people driving in this weather with the windows open for purposes other than tobacco smoke ventilation?

Do you see people standing in a car, with a heavy coat scarf & gloves on with a bag on their back breathing the same air as a hundred other people

Drummerboy2

Nothing as uncomfortable as sitting on the Dart and a freezing breeze on the back of your neck or even worse rain.

tomcollins97

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

Nothing as uncomfortable as sitting on the Dart and a freezing breeze on the back of your neck or even worse rain.

Why not stand and be really really warm and offer the cold seat to someone else

NuMarvel

Can't they crack open the door instead? It would be closest to those packed like sardines without affecting those lucky enough to have seats AND it means less waiting time for the doors to open. Win-win for everyone.

Except those unlucky enough to fall out of an open door on a fast-moving train, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Another option...

Sugarlumps

I completely agree with tomcollins79, the heat on the dart is sickening. The same shenanigans goes on in the summer, it’s retarded. Open a fooking window!!

Drummerboy2

tomcollins97 wrote: »

Why not stand and be really really warm and offer the cold seat to someone else

You could always buy a bike, lots of fresh air

Run_to_da_hills

millb wrote: »

the odd window open on the Luas too would help.

The odd window open on the MK4's when the AC is out of action.

Capt'n Midnight

NuMarvel wrote: »

Another option...

Must remember not to touch the overhead cables

moomooman

I was always ready to murder at 7am when someone gets on a mostly empty DART carriage, sits at the front and opens the window...

So they feel nothing but everyone further back is sitting in an icy wind tunnel :mad:

tomcollins97

Same again this morning. DART totally packed, all windows closed. Shouted out, "Can we get some windows open, PLEASE" - only one person got up off they comfy spacious seat and opened a window.

I thought the woman beside me was going to faint from the heat and lack of air.

Ridiculous

Dodge

tomcollins97 wrote: »

Ridiculous

Its personal choice. If i was at a seat witha wondow open I'd close it immediately.

Some will think it gets too stuffy. Some will think it gets too cold. No one is out to deliberately annoy anyone else so maybe just put up with it for the relatively short train journey?

Ghost Train

everyone has different comfort levels, going to be impossible to have everyone happy

best thing you can do is position yourself where you think will suit you best and if you want a window opened ask specific people sitting by them

tomcollins97

Dodge wrote: »

Some will think it gets too stuffy. Some will think it gets too cold.

The point I am trying to make is more about fresh air, as well as heat, but fresh air being the most important.

Dodge wrote: »

... relatively short train journey?

It is anything but relatively short in this weather!

tomcollins97

Dodge wrote: »

Its personal choice. If i was at a seat witha wondow open I'd close it immediately.

You are the perfect example of the selfish people whose own confort is more important than the majority of those on the carriage standing with little or no room between them and the next person

CIE

tomcollins97 wrote: »

Same again this morning. DART totally packed, all windows closed. Shouted out, "Can we get some windows open, PLEASE" - only one person got up off they comfy spacious seat and opened a window.

I thought the woman beside me was going to faint from the heat and lack of air.

Ridiculous

You might have high blood pressure and not know it. Go visit your GP.

tomcollins97

Ghost Train wrote: »

everyone has different comfort levels, going to be impossible to have everyone happy

best thing you can do is position yourself where you think will suit you best and if you want a window opened ask specific people sitting by them

Unfortunately this doesn't always work as you need more than one window open to generate air flow

tomcollins97

CIE wrote: »

You might have high blood pressure and not know it. Go visit your GP.

What has high blood pressure got to do with anything????

markpb

CIE wrote: »

You might have high blood pressure and not know it. Go visit your GP.

Could you be any more dismissive if you tried? I fainted on a jammed Dart years ago - I don't have high blood pressure (I check regularly), I had a full breakfast that morning and I wasn't sick. The lack of clean, cool air just overcame me and I had to leave the dart at the next station.

Dodge

tomcollins97 wrote: »

You are the perfect example of the selfish people whose own confort is more important than the majority of those on the carriage standing with little or no room between them and the next person

So how much research have you done to make you think its the majority? I prefer if the windows are closed in this weather, regardless of standing ot sitting.

You think I'm selfish for wanting it closed, but you're only thinking of others for wanting it opened? :rolleyes:

As I said its a personal choice. If the windows are open and I'm standing there, I'll put up with it (moaning, obviously). If they're closed, all the better. You think the opposit.

tomcollins97

Dodge wrote: »

So how much research have you done to make you think its the majority? I prefer if the windows are closed in this weather, regardless of standing ot sitting.

You think I'm selfish for wanting it closed, but you're only thinking of others for wanting it opened? :rolleyes:

As I said its a personal choice. If the windows are open and I'm standing there, I'll put up with it (moaning, obviously). If they're closed, all the better. You think the opposit.

Can you honestly say you would rather spend time breathing stale, stagnant, hot air than cooler fresh air?

corktina

don't you think that ,if the windows are closed, thats because most people WANT them closed? I would this weather.

robinph

Dodge wrote: »

So how much research have you done to make you think its the majority? I prefer if the windows are closed in this weather, regardless of standing ot sitting.

You think I'm selfish for wanting it closed, but you're only thinking of others for wanting it opened? :rolleyes:

As I said its a personal choice. If the windows are open and I'm standing there, I'll put up with it (moaning, obviously). If they're closed, all the better. You think the opposit.

How do you cope once you get off the train?

Transportuser09

In all fairness in this kind of weather its hard to justify keeping the windows open. On a normal day why not just ask the person sitting next to the window if they mind it being opened.

Dodge

robinph wrote: »

How do you cope once you get off the train?

I move about.

irlirishkev

I'm lucky enough to be able to walk to work every day, but it wasn't always that way - and the one thing that always makes me shudder when thinking about commuting by dart, is the stagnant stale farty burpy air you have to inhale when it's really packed.
It used to grind my gears that no-one would open windows in the winter. Yes it's cold outside, but Jesus H Christ it's disgustingly warm and humid travelling with the windows closed. It was always such a relief if/when someone did open a window.. literally a breath of fresh air!

cailinoBAC

I always feel that the people sitting down are lucky enough to be sitting down, they shouldn't get to choose whether the window is open or not. If they feel cold they can give up their seat and they will be warm enough standing up.

I get on at Howth, so except for when I give up my seat I'm usually sat by a window. Even sitting down I'd like to open a window, not even for temperature but because this time of year every carriage is bound to have a good few people with colds (sometimes me too) who are breathing into the shared air. Thing is, there's usually some oul' wan, giving me the glare for no reason at all, looking so completely dissatisfied with the mere fact that other people are on the dart, that I'm too terrified of the response I'd get to open a window. I really would like to open one, for both the people standing up and myself, but I think it would be pretty badly received.

And when you think about it, the people standing are usually the ones willing to not be petty and bitter about it, whereas the people sitting down worried about being cold are the ones who'd give out all hell to the window opener. I just leave it well alone, and if someone asks I'll open one.

Since I'd admittedly love an excuse to get up the nose of one of those stuffier members of the public that are always giving the filthy looks, I'll try and find an opportunity to open a window next time.

trellheim

open the window yez are dressed for the cold anyway. It is truly vile in an overheated and overstuffed railway carriage. Best thing would be for IE to turn the heating off.

Atlantic Dawn

What they should do it have the first half of the DART heated to the extreme and the windows bolted shut and the 2nd half should have no heat and the windows openable. Passengers can then choose where they want to be, can't please all the people all the time.

As was said everyone arrives on the DART ready for the conditions outside, no need to have it heated to home levels. If they want to heat to home levels there should be a cloakroom on each carriage to hang your coat before you sit down.

tomcollins97

Gonna bump this is the hope that a few more DART users might read it.

Same again this morning - DARTS totally packed, heat on, no windows open and on top of that someone with really foul garlic breath :eek:

Goonerette

I agree OP, the heat on the DART is actually sickening. I think the drivers should keep it off during the rush hour since people are just too embarrassed to get into an argument over opening the window with some annoying old wan who's "cold" despite wearing a coat, hat, scarf and gloves on the train while the rest of us are suffocating and about to pass out. The humidity and the smell are worse than the actual temperature IMO.

Last Thursday during the really bad snowy conditions the carriage I was in during the evening rush hour got so packed that a woman started saying loudly that the person beside her was crushed and couldn't breathe. Yet, it didn't occur to anyone who was practically hanging out the door to get off and yet more people tried to push on at Pearse, Grand Canal Dock and Lansdowne Rd. even though the train was dangerously overcrowded by Tara St. People are animals.

dead air

I got on to a freezing DART this morning, it was much warmer standing in the cold on the platform waiting for it. As soon as the train starts moving, the freezing air from the opened windows can be pretty intolerable.

Dodge

dead air wrote: »

I got on to a freezing DART this morning, it was much warmer standing in the cold on the platform waiting for it. As soon as the train starts moving, the freezing air from the opened windows can be pretty intolerable.

Even though i agree with you, I still find your username ironic posting on this topic

tomcollins97

Ok - common sense time.

If you get on the dart at either end of the line, have a seat, and the carriage is virtually empty I do not expect anyone to open a window.

However, I would like people near windows to use their cop on and open them if/when the carriage starts to become full with many people standing. Basically, open the windows when the windows fog up!

schemingbohemia

tomcollins97 wrote: »

Ok - common sense time.

If you get on the dart at either end of the line, have a seat, and the carriage is virtually empty I do not expect anyone to open a window.

However, I would like people near windows to use their cop on and open them if/when the carriage starts to become full with many people standing. Basically, open the windows when the windows fog up!

Rather than continuously posting about the same topic on here, would you not, you know, actually ask people to open the window yourself while you are on the DART?

ArmaniJeanss

Goonerette wrote: »

Last Thursday during the really bad snowy conditions the carriage I was in during the evening rush hour got so packed that a woman started saying loudly that the person beside her was crushed and couldn't breathe. Yet, it didn't occur to anyone who was practically hanging out the door to get off and yet more people tried to push on at Pearse, Grand Canal Dock and Lansdowne Rd. even though the train was dangerously overcrowded by Tara St. People are animals.

Out of interest did you get off and wait for the next Dart, in order to free up space for the people in that carriage?

NOGMaxpower

I tend to let one rip, pretty soon after the windows are open. Its a silent protest.

-Chris-

Let's try and keep the thread relatively mature please.

tomcollins97

Bumping this in the hope people read it.

It has been crazy the last few evenings. DARTs are packed. Yesteday evening I got on a Pearse. So packed they announced that the train was full and would people stock pushing to get one.

I asked down the carriage for people to open a few windows - they just looked at me with someones rucksac pressed into my back and another at my front and did nothing.

What is wrong with people?

Dodge

tomcollins97 wrote: »

What is wrong with people?

No doubt they were thinking the same about you.

Seriously, I can't understand how you don't get that peopel may have differing views form you