Dole cuts to encourage back to work?

Southsider1

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dole-recipients-face-cuts-under-bailout-to-make-work-attractive-2441116.html

PEOPLE on social welfare who are receiving multiple state payments could have their benefits cut as part of a drive to make it more attractive to go back to work.

Is there loads of jobs out there and people just can't be arsed working? I was of the impression that there simply wasn't any jobs to be had.

whatawaster

No, but the welfare bill needs to be cut in half over the next few years, despite what the four year plan tells us.

meglome

whatawaster wrote: »

No, but the welfare bill needs to be cut in half over the next few years, despite what the four year plan tells us.

Yeah. Leaving aside any 'morality' issue with cutting benefits to the unemployed simple mathematics would tell us it will be heavily cut.

sfakiaman

Southsider1 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dole-recipients-face-cuts-under-bailout-to-make-work-attractive-2441116.html

Is there loads of jobs out there and people just can't be arsed working? I was of the impression that there simply wasn't any jobs to be had.

And to make things worse they want to increase the retirement age which will further reduce job availability.

Dowdy20

Southsider1 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dole-recipients-face-cuts-under-bailout-to-make-work-attractive-2441116.html

Is there loads of jobs out there and people just can't be arsed working? I was of the impression that there simply wasn't any jobs to be had.

jobs are there but from what i've heard from asking people is that they are "too good" for them.

people with degrees who wont work at anything outside that area.

all well and good when works there but when its not surely any job would do???

just have it too easy on the dole it needs to be cut.

madmac187

Dowdy20 wrote: »

jobs are there but from what i've heard from asking people is that they are "too good" for them.

people with degrees who wont work at anything outside that area.

all well and good when works there but when its not surely any job would do???

just have it too easy on the dole it needs to be cut.

Plenty of people will work at anything for money. I guess from your intimation that you are jelous of others who have an education. Another thing, employers don't want to take people on those who are skilled or educated in other work. This is obvious, IF YOU HAD TO APPLY FOR A JOB.

Dowdy20

madmac187 wrote: »

Plenty of people will work at anything for money. I guess from your intimation that you are jelous of others who have an education. Another thing, employers don't want to take people on those who are skilled or educated in other work. This is obvious, IF YOU HAD TO APPLY FOR A JOB.

interesting that first reply is on the attack. seems to be the norm on this (politics)forum....



not jealousy at all. merely going on my asking people why they are finding it difficult to find work.

its not true in all cases it would be naive to assume that.

my point is people would rather sit on the dole than do a job that doesn't meet there standards. which is the problem. people can afford to do that.

experience is key in this world and why not gain experience in other areas while you look for a job that suits your degree???

make hay when the sun shines as they say?

paky

the dole was always way too high in this country and there is absolutely no logical explanation for it. if you cut the dole on young single people, it wouldnt take long before things start changing. plus there has been a generation of young people who have been wasted because the dole here was too generous. those people will never work again unless they really really want too.

Dowdy20

paky wrote: »

the dole was always way too high in this country and there is absolutely no logical explanation for it. if you cut the dole on young single people, it wouldnt take long before things start changing. plus there has been a generation of young people who have been wasted because the dole here was too generous. those people will never work again unless they really really want too.

this is my point

i agree. its way too high for those you don't need it.

imagine your 21-25 no kids living at home with no bills whats so ever. on dole as soon as you could

you get 200 in your pocket every week no questions asked.......would you go working if you got it that easy??

i'm all for the dole to be cut and fyi I'm currently receiving the dole! currently on courses with my local vec to gain experience and skills.

dan_d

The dole is quite high OP.(and I'm on it)

Can I point out though, there was a recent thread on what would be a fair cut on the dole locked in the Economy forum I think, because it descended into a (sometimes) vicious slagging match between those who were/are on the dole, and those who are working and think that everyone on the dole is a waster and a scrounger.It's a very emotional subject for most people.

Maybe you could take a quick read through that before this one heads the same way??

dirtyghettokid

madmac187 wrote: »

Plenty of people will work at anything for money. I guess from your intimation that you are jelous of others who have an education. Another thing, employers don't want to take people on those who are skilled or educated in other work. This is obvious, IF YOU HAD TO APPLY FOR A JOB.

this is a fact. i dunno how many PFO letters i've got from those "anything" jobs. 9 years experience working in one sector only and no one wants to give me a chance in a sector outside of what my CV says.

but anyways as for dole cuts. work away, it's too high.
doesn't matter what they cut to me anyway because i don't receive dole at all. and i don't have a job either so it would be in my best interest to get work, but i can't seem to be able to. i'm sure there's plenty others in my situation also.

paky

dirtyghettokid wrote: »

this is a fact. i dunno how many PFO letters i've got from those "anything" jobs. 9 years experience working in one sector only and no one wants to give me a chance in a sector outside of what my CV says.

but anyways as for dole cuts. work away, it's too high.
doesn't matter what they cut to me anyway because i don't receive dole at all. and i don't have a job either so it would be in my best interest to get work, but i can't seem to be able to. i'm sure there's plenty others in my situation also.

if they gave you 1 month notice that they were cutting the doel in half you wouldnt be long thinking of a survival plan

dirtyghettokid

it's amazing how many people still think that if dole is revoked/cut all those people will all of a sudden miraculously end up in jobs..... LOL :rolleyes:

flas

Dowdy20 wrote: »

this is my point

i agree. its way too high for those you don't need it.

imagine your 18 no kids living at home with no bills whats so ever.

you get 200 in your pocket every week no questions asked.......would you go working if you got it that easy??

i'm all for the dole to be cut and fyi I'm currently receiving the dole! currently on courses with my local vec to gain experience and skills.

no they dont?? honestly some people really dont seem have to have sort of idea how it works what so ever!

Ruskey

Dowdy20 wrote: »

this is my point

i agree. its way too high for those you don't need it.

imagine your 18 no kids living at home with no bills whats so ever.

you get 200 in your pocket every week no questions asked.......would you go working if you got it that easy??

i'm all for the dole to be cut and fyi I'm currently receiving the dole! currently on courses with my local vec to gain experience and skills.

r

I agree totally with that above. People who are single living at home and in their early twenties should have their dole cut to about €50. The full dole is far too much. When a lot of them see jobs that pay €300 per week advertised they see it as working for only €100 per week and then they are out all the costs that comes with travelling to and from work etc

The only problem with this is maybe that will make them move out of home to get the full dole again where they would be then claiming rent allowance also

trixie_belle12

Dowdy20 wrote: »

interesting that first reply is on the attack. seems to be the norm on this (politics)forum....



not jealousy at all. merely going on my asking people why they are finding it difficult to find work.

its not true in all cases it would be naive to assume that.

my point is people would rather sit on the dole than do a job that doesn't meet there standards. which is the problem. people can afford to do that.

experience is key in this world and why not gain experience in other areas while you look for a job that suits your degree???

make hay when the sun shines as they say?

Really? I work in a shop on minimum wage although a couple of years back I worked full time for nearly ten years earning a decent wage... Most of the people I work with are in a similar position, highly educated individuals that are unable to work in their chosen fields.

There are NOT that many jobs out there. FACT.

mumfordandsons

I agree. i out work 3 months , sent 4oo +cv , trying any type work. on job sites everyday. Dowdy20 --- Wake up , cop on, dont speaking bull****.

u happen to work in dail by any chance ie( there on another planet also )

p.s i havent a **** penny by the way.

Guys, misinformation is not allowed on the politics forum. The dole for those aged 18-21 is €100 a week. and for those 22-24 it is €150

JENNYWREN19

Ruskey wrote: »

r

I agree totally with that above. People who are single living at home and in their early twenties should have their dole cut to about €50. The full dole is far too much. When a lot of them see jobs that pay €300 per week advertised they see it as working for only €100 per week and then they are out all the costs that comes with travelling to and from work etc

The only problem with this is maybe that will make them move out of home to get the full dole again where they would be then claiming rent allowance also

my daughter's on a training course,living away from home paying rent out of €100 a week. I have a BSc(Hons) and I'm doing in work experience in a care home in the hope of getting a job out of it. I don't think we're untypical so who have you been talking to? My daughter can't even apply for rent allowance for another three months as she's not been away from home long enough. Would you call us spongers or layabouts. Go on, I dare you

Dowdy20

flas wrote: »

no they dont?? honestly some people really dont seem have to have sort of idea how it works what so ever!

ok so i picked the wrong age bracket.......change it to 21 then whats the difference?? my point still stands.

Dowdy20

JENNYWREN19 wrote: »

my daughter's on a training course,living away from home paying rent out of €100 a week. I have a BSc(Hons) and I'm doing in work experience in a care home in the hope of getting a job out of it. I don't think we're untypical so who have you been talking to? My daughter can't even apply for rent allowance for another three months as she's not been away from home long enough. Would you call us spongers or layabouts. Go on, I dare you

i wouldn't at all in fact you are doing exactly what others should be doing. you are trying to get experience...thats what counts.

fair play!

tfitzgerald

I don't know where some of the people on this thread are from but cutting the dole will only make poor people poorer there are no jobs out there no matter how qualified you are and if one is advertised about 500 people apply for it from engineers to unqualified and as for courses don't make me laugh

Dowdy20

this thread is already sinking into useless opinions about nothing a nay sayers in again spouting about how theres nothing and no one.

i'm done... have your argument about it....

g'luck

dan_d

Well.....as someone who is well-qualified.... I got my umpteenth "there were a lot of applicants who were very well qualified for this job, and the standard was very high. Unfortunately you didn't make the short list for interview" email today.

If you genuinely think there's a job for everyone out there and that the majority of people are "choosing" the dole - you have absolutely no grasp of the reality of the situation.

High energy

Dowdy20 wrote: »

ok so i picked the wrong age bracket.......change it to 21 then whats the difference?? my point still stands.

Wrong again, 21 year olds get €100 max.

Dowdy20

High energy wrote: »

Wrong again, 21 year olds get €100 max.

well done thanks so much now i can go to bed tonight and sleep soundly..........

High energy

I am really against this "oh cut the young single people living at home with no expenses" bullsh1t.

Whereas the young "lone parents" claiming €1000 in rent allowance, €250 lone parents allowance, €450 child benefit, childrens allowance, back to school allowance, fuel allowance, medical card, and god knows what else are left alone?

What will happen if you keep cutting the young single people living at home with no children, they will follow a path down the welfare system which leads them to getting more benefits. i.e. move out (claim rent allowance), have their girlfriends become pregnant (claim child benefit, etc) and not have to ever seek employment (lone parents allowance).

In which situation is the state losing more money, short and long term.

But as is typical in Ireland, we punish the sensible people who stay living at home and don't have children.

Altheus

Papa Smut wrote: »

Guys, misinformation is not allowed on the politics forum. The dole for those aged 18-21 is €100 a week. and for those 22-24 it is €150

False - only new applicants are, anyone who was on 196 a week remains on 196 a week.

littlesthobo

Papa Smut wrote: »

Guys, misinformation is not allowed on the politics forum. The dole for those aged 18-21 is €100 a week. and for those 22-24 it is €150

Well my bro gets 196 a week and he's only just turned 21. I think that the new rates were only applied for new applicants




Edit Altheus beat me to it!!

nesf

Papa Smut wrote: »

Guys, misinformation is not allowed on the politics forum. The dole for those aged 18-21 is €100 a week. and for those 22-24 it is €150

Only for new applicants and those without kids. Not as simple as an age group.

Dempo1

Dowdy20 wrote: »

jobs are there but from what i've heard from asking people is that they are "too good" for them.

people with degrees who wont work at anything outside that area.

all well and good when works there but when its not surely any job would do???

just have it too easy on the dole it needs to be cut.

Bizarre analysis but entirely predictable from someone who appears to be ill informed.

Are you seriously suggesting there is widespread "Job is too good for me" attitudes out there? Bizarre statement to make.

People with degrees won't deviate from their chosen career path? extraordinary statement when even before the crisis hit most graduates had little clue of a career path, i would strongly suggest graduates would accept any opportunity that might be out there, sadly there are few and far between!

People have it too easy on the dole? this comment gets the gold medal for naivety, clearly you have never had to depend on dole payments unlike the 300K NEWLY unemployed over the past two years, most of whom were professionals with families and major commitments based on what they had hoped was a future.

I do agree any Job would do, but there are little if any jobs out there, try looking at some recruitment websites, review the single jobs postings in the Sunday newspapers or the couple of paragraphs advertising jobs in the weekly press. I recall the days the Sunday papers had supplement size listings for vacancies and the herald jobs section ran into pages of listings.

Its a Joke to suggest dole cuts will encourage people back to work, perhaps it would be the case if there were jobs or indeed training. I wont start on whats on offer with fas but suffice to say most of their private third party training companies have a lot to answer for, not least fraud and zero certification!:mad:

High energy

littlesthobo wrote: »

Well my bro gets 196 a week and he's only just turned 21. I think that the new rates were only applied for new applicants




Edit Altheus beat me to it!!

True but it's kinda irrelevant as in roughly 5 years (max) it will be impossible for 18-24 year olds to obtain the full amount. The 18-24 year olds getting the full amount now will be older than that age bracket in 5 years (and this has already been implemented for over a year as far as I know) And that age bracket in around 5 years time will all be considered "new applicants".

kevinmcc

The system is completely messed up. I fall within the age bracket to get 150 euro a week. I don't live with my parents and its messed up to see 18 year olds living at home with their parents on 196 euro a week, who have never attempted to try college. And they get more because they have been on it longer, whereas I've only been on it a few months

Kiki10

Southsider1 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dole-recipients-face-cuts-under-bailout-to-make-work-attractive-2441116.html

Is there loads of jobs out there and people just can't be arsed working? I was of the impression that there simply wasn't any jobs to be had.

Ah you dont understand!;) The problem this government have with the dole is its been ruined by all these lazy bloody Irish people applying for it! The story goes a few years ago Fianna Fail were loved around the world for feeding all the decent old skins who managed to get on our dole. Then all these lazy irish people saw "jez this is handy money!, to hell with working" and 100 thousand of us decided to stop working in our fat cat minimum wage jobs for the easy life. It very upsetting for decent dole heads from all over the world but it has to be cut in case more lazy Irish people get it into there heads not to emigrate and to claim there stamps instead... Cant have that kind of thing.

Dempo1

tfitzgerald wrote: »

I don't know where some of the people on this thread are from but cutting the dole will only make poor people poorer there are no jobs out there no matter how qualified you are and if one is advertised about 500 people apply for it from engineers to unqualified and as for courses don't make me laugh

Yes agreed, i am reminded of a trajic story recently wherby a family are contesting a repossesion of their family home. The husband stated in the high court he had applied for 1760, yes 1760 jobs in an 18 month period!

Dowdy20

Dowdy20 wrote: »

ok so i picked the wrong age bracket.......change it to 21 then whats the difference?? my point still stands.

Well, it doesn't. As I said in the infraction notice, misinformation is not allowed. New claimants aged 22-24 get €150. Not a whole lot. And that would inspire me to get a job if I was in that age bracket.

Kiki10

kevinmcc wrote: »

The system is completely messed up. I fall within the age bracket to get 150 euro a week. I don't live with my parents and its messed up to see 18 year olds living at home with their parents on 196 euro a week, who have never attempted to try college. And they get more because they have been on it longer, whereas I've only been on it a few months

Fact a family of 5 would get €415 while a young fella living at home with his white socks pulled around his tracksuit legs gets €196.
The only reason I can think for this Fianna Fail policy is the young fella on the sulky is our country's future and the family of 5 should have bought a boat ticket to Australia during the boom???

At least the government are looking after there own anyway.

Dempo1

Kiki10 wrote: »

Ah you dont understand!;) The problem this government have with the dole is its been ruined by all these lazy bloody Irish people applying for it! The story goes a few years ago Fianna Fail were loved around the world for feeding all the decent old skins who managed to get on our dole. Then all these lazy irish people saw "jez this is handy money!, to hell with working" and 100 thousand of us decided to stop working in our fat cat minimum wage jobs for the easy life. It very upsetting for decent dole heads from all over the world but it has to be cut in case more lazy Irish people get it into there heads not to emigrate and to claim there stamps instead... Cant have that kind of thing.

Unfortunately i am restricted from highlighting what i really think about your contribution. Growing up however is something is something i can advise you to do. Your contribution is disgraceful.

OhNoYouDidn't

this thread is surreal even by this places standards.

There are 300,000 people out of work, including huge amounts of middle class, middle aged professionals. The idea that some former estate agent, architect or banker is pocketing €196 a week and living the life is so ludicrous its astonishing.

The overwhelming majority of those on the scratcher are not there through choice and cannot find work. Cutting their dole does nothing to force them back into work as there is no work for them

Its a straightforward transfer of wealth from the most vunerable in society to the german banking sector. Traditionally the unemployed don't vote, but most of those on the dole since 2008 do, so FF might get even further burnt by this.

High energy

kevinmcc wrote: »

The system is completely messed up. I fall within the age bracket to get 150 euro a week. I don't live with my parents and its messed up to see 18 year olds living at home with their parents on 196 euro a week, who have never attempted to try college. And they get more because they have been on it longer, whereas I've only been on it a few months

I can assure you there are no 18 year olds right now claiming the full €196 / week jobseekers. That change was implemented over 1 year ago so anyone who got on before the change would be at least 19 now. (You have to be minimum 18 to claim jobseekers).

As I previously stated, it's not the single child-less unemployed people living at home who are draining the system, it's the lifers with 5 children claiming everything under the sun (lone parents allowance/jobseekers allowance/rent allowance/child benefit/childrens allowance/fuel allowance/medical card/back to school/etc) and no intention of working who are draining the system.

Kiki10

Dempo1 wrote: »

Unfortunately i am restricted from highlighting what i really think about your contribution. Growing up however is something is something i can advise you to do. Your contribution is disgraceful.

Is that you Brian? I thought you'd be in Brussels working hard to get visas for us all to emigrate with?
The only thing disgracefully about this country is the way Fianna fail has run it for the last 12 years

Kiki10

High energy wrote: »

I can assure you there are no 18 year olds right now claiming the full €196 / week jobseekers. That change was implemented over 1 year ago so anyone who got on before the change would be at least 19 now. (You have to be minimum 18 to claim jobseekers).

As I previously stated, it's not the single child-less unemployed people living at home who are draining the system, it's the lifers with 5 children claiming everything under the sun (lone parents allowance/jobseekers allowance/rent allowance/child benefit/childrens allowance/fuel allowance/medical card/back to school/etc) and no intention of working who are draining the system.

I'm sure I agree with your sentiments.. but the only issue I have is the childless unemployed young fella claiming his €100 or whatever is usually one of the 5 children of the lifer. His €100 is more likely to be spent on PS3 games or hash than his lifer dad who only claims 3 out of all the different claims you mentioned. Child benefit & children's allowance are the same thing fuel allowance is €3 per week for 4 months. You cant collect lone parent & job seeker allowance at the same time.

But the sulky riding tracksuit wearing great unwashed that have burrowed there way into our pockets are a drain on us. Until we call a spade a spade we will always blame the fella who just got made unemployed and not the cigg smuggling sulky racing leech. I expect Ill be banned from this now for insulting the... riff raff since i cant use the language id like:cool:

Pete_Cavan

Cut Job Seekers Allowance (for those who treat the dole as a career) but leave, or possibly increase Job Seekers Benefit (for those who have paid adequate social insurance contributions but find themselves out of work). The dole should be a safety net for those who find themselves out of work not an incentive for people to stay out of it. If you have paid your fair share you should get a decent rate, if you have never contributed towards it you should get fcuk all. This would also require lowering the tax level to bring low paid workers into the tax net so they can pay something towards it.

Brenireland

Sickens me to hear the government are cutting social welfare,once again the favour the greedy fat cats over the needy!

Are their job out their?,7 months ago,Yes.

Sadly they announced their new work placement programme,which then led to many job vacancy's changing from Full Time Vacancies to a Work Placement Programme (9months) which would see interested candidates getting their dole and no extras for travel etc....Government think this will be good for people and get them experience but if you ask me this is slavery as many businesses are taking advantage of this programme to get work done on the cheap!,this is worse than what our banks done this is ultimate corruption of the classes!

Sardonicat

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Cut Job Seekers Allowance (for those who treat the dole as a career) but leave, or possibly increase Job Seekers Benefit (for those who have paid adequate social insurance contributions but find themselves out of work). The dole should be a safety net for those who find themselves out of work not an incentive for people to stay out of it. If you have paid your fair share you should get a decent rate, if you have never contributed towards it you should get fcuk all. This would also require lowering the tax level to bring low paid workers into the tax net so they can pay something towards it.

Job Seekers Benefit is conditional on having paid the relevant PRSI contributions in the relevant financial year.Regardless of whether a worker was not earning enough to pay tax, if their PRSI contributions fulfil the criteria at the time of applying for JSB they will qualify.Not paying PAYE has no bearing on JSB eligibility.

Someone could have worked for 20 years straight, returned to education and find themselves unable to find work when they complete their degree. This person's PRSI contributions would not be taken into account when applying for JSB as the last payment would not be in the relevant financial year.

PomBear

Health cuts to encourage people to get healthy quicker has about the same logic

Dempo1

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

this thread is surreal even by this places standards.

There are 300,000 people out of work, including huge amounts of middle class, middle aged professionals. The idea that some former estate agent, architect or banker is pocketing €196 a week and living the life is so ludicrous its astonishing.

The overwhelming majority of those on the scratcher are not there through choice and cannot find work. Cutting their dole does nothing to force them back into work as there is no work for them

Its a straightforward transfer of wealth from the most vunerable in society to the german banking sector. Traditionally the unemployed don't vote, but most of those on the dole since 2008 do, so FF might get even further burnt by this.

Could not agree more, thank god there is still some sanity and I might add compassion out there, your points are factual and the sooner these narrow minded and clueless contributors realise what is actually occuring in the real world, the better!

CorkMan

Here is my solution:

A) If you have a criminal record, dole should be €100 a week. If you have a certain criteria (ie 30+ offenses) €50 a week. Keep the same dole rate for the other people on it.

Tax the elite of the country more. If a person is on €500,000 a year, tax 50%. These people have accountants advice on how to avoid paying out, make sure they do.

C) If a very rich Irish person has loads of funds abroad (Cayman Islands, etc) the goverment says "Put them funds back into our system, or have your citizenship revoked." They all know how to get away with this, make sure they don't.

Those are 3 very good steps IMO, rather than attacking the most vulnerable, and leave the elite driving their Mercs, sip their champagne and take trips on yachts.

Kiki10

CorkMan wrote: »

Here is my solution:

A) If you have a criminal record, dole should be €100 a week. If you have a certain criteria (ie 30+ offenses) €50 a week. Keep the same dole rate for the other people on it.

Tax the elite of the country more. If a person is on €500,000 a year, tax 50%. These people have accountants advice on how to avoid paying out, make sure they do.

C) If a very rich Irish person has loads of funds abroad (Cayman Islands, etc) the government says "Put them funds back into our system, or have your citizenship revoked." They all know how to get away with this, make sure they don't.

Those are 3 very good steps IMO, rather than attacking the most vulnerable, and leave the elite driving their Mercs, sip their champagne and take trips on yachts.

I like your ideas but a lot of career criminals are on the dole as a cover, it doesn't matter if its cut to them. Cut free legal aid for career criminals would be great that costs a fortune. The crims who use there kids should be dealt with like peodos
I really like the passport idea, thats new:rolleyes: but the people who earn loads of money are usually employers, If we had every one employed here we wouldn't have a financial crisis.
Perhaps we should be looking at creating employment rather than taxing anything thats not up the tree fast enough. We don't need foreign company's. Lets look at what sells in this world and get in the game.

chucken1

CorkMan wrote: »

Here is my solution:

A) If you have a criminal record, dole should be €100 a week. If you have a certain criteria (ie 30+ offenses) €50 a week. Keep the same dole rate for the other people on it.

Tax the elite of the country more. If a person is on €500,000 a year, tax 50%. These people have accountants advice on how to avoid paying out, make sure they do.

C) If a very rich Irish person has loads of funds abroad (Cayman Islands, etc) the goverment says "Put them funds back into our system, or have your citizenship revoked." They all know how to get away with this, make sure they don't.

Those are 3 very good steps IMO, rather than attacking the most vulnerable, and leave the elite driving their Mercs, sip their champagne and take trips on yachts.

I totally agree with you. .But yet again,this thread has turned into 'tarring everyone on social welfare with the one brush'

meglome

Dempo1 wrote: »

Could not agree more, thank god there is still some sanity and I might add compassion out there, your points are factual and the sooner these narrow minded and clueless contributors realise what is actually occuring in the real world, the better!

Look personally do I think that dole should be cut willy nilly... no I don't. But the issue here is what we can afford to pay out. It's a fact that dole payments are high here and it's a fact we can't afford it. We'll have to disconnect the ideal from the reality, we have no choice. I think it's likely it would 'encourage' some people to take crappy jobs they wouldn't otherwise but that's just a by-product of not being able to afford it as a country.