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IDFPA National Single Lifts canceled-6th Feb

  • 29-11-2010 8:57am
    #1
    the drifter
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    IDFPA National Single Lifts canceled

    For anyone currently preparing for these just a heads up
    I regret that the the IDFPA Single Lifts scheduled for Galway on 6th February have to be cancelled. The reasons for this are:
    (a) This event was to be run by Anita Mahony, Dave Foster and myself. Both Anita & Dave can no longer be involved due to their membership of the GPC and I still do not know if I can even be a member of the IDFPA after 31/12/10.
    (b) I am not sure that the event will be viable with regards to the number of referees/officials and/or the number of lifters still remaining within the IDFPA in 2011.
    (c) I do not have sufficient equipment to host this event, since I am no longer in a position to borrow the equipment from the GPC as had been planned.

    For all of the lifters who are still eligible to lift IDFPA and choose to do the National Singles, I apologize for the somewhat short notice of cancellation and I direct you to Tom Coyle for further information on where they will be held.

    My sincerest apologies to the lifters.


    I really dont know what the IDFPA are at.


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  • #2
    Inspector Coptoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    Dislike


  • #3
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    No surprise that Jen was forced to do it tbh. I don't blame her.

    Beginning of the end for the IDFPA. It's hard to think who's gonna jump in at this point and organise it. There's still no venue for national champs either sure.


  • #4
    d'Oracle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    This all seems an awful shame.


  • #5
    the drifter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭the drifter


    d'Oracle wrote: »
    This all seems an awful shame.

    It does....it seem to be destorying a great federiation


  • #6
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    A lot of excellent competitors in this sport for a small enough country. Massive shame if we loose the IDFPA for good.


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  • #7
    Edwardius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,234 ✭✭✭Edwardius


    Is it possible for them to take it all back, elect a new president and forget all this happened in time for the nationals?


  • #8
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Dead Ed wrote: »
    Is it possible for them to take it all back, elect a new president and forget all this happened in time for the nationals?

    Would you really want to lift with them knowing that was the attitude of some of the members anyway?

    Would you support them knowing that there's moves at an international level to force thru the same rules?

    Try to keep up to date with some of the posts on the IDFPA forum. The attitude some of the members have is obnoxiously elitist. They care more about being drug free zealots than they do lifting and being strong.


  • #9
    the drifter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭the drifter


    The BDFPA motion put to the WDFPF congress
    The WDFPF maintains the right if it so chooses, to refuse membership to individuals who:
    a. Are currently under suspension from the WDFPF
    b. Have previously been expelled from the WDFPF
    c. Are currently or have been previously suspended by other organisations for offences connected with drug usage
    d. Have a history of anti-social behaviour or drug abuse
    e. Have been or who are involved with organisations or assocations whose aims or stance is not considered compatible with the aims and/or stance of the WDFPF. That is to say do not follow recommended ICO/WADA guidelines with regard to drug testing both in-competition & out of competiton.
    f. have in any way aided or abetted individuals to drug abuve
    g. Have in any way helped or supported athletes/lifters or sports people to pursue their sporting endeavors when known to be abusing drugs, or those who have suuported or particated with organisations whose stance or drug control is not considered by the WDFPF to be compatible with the aims and/or stance of the WDFPF
    h. Have been or who are involved with organisations which have patently failed to do everything possible to stop drug abuse or have sought to bring drug control methods into disrepute
    i. Have been or who are involved with organisations that accept as competitors, athletes/liftesr under suspension or life ban for drug abuse or anti-social behaviour
    j. It feels are in any way unsuitable, without giving a reason.

    I love point J....we dont like the cut of your jib...your not lifting with us...


  • #10
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Who's the WDFPA? :p


  • #11
    the drifter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭the drifter


    Hanley wrote: »
    Who's the WDFPA? :p

    sorry...


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  • #12
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    the drifter wrote: »
    sorry...

    Just don't let it happen again...


  • #13
    d'Oracle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    Hanley wrote: »
    Would you really want to lift with them knowing that was the attitude of some of the members anyway?

    Would you support them knowing that there's moves at an international level to force thru the same rules?

    .

    Is there a tested alternative though?


  • #14
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    d'Oracle wrote: »
    Is there a tested alternative though?

    No. But most of the other good drug free lifters lift with other federations anyway so it's not exactly a representative sample when it comes to competition.


  • #15
    JayRoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    Hanley wrote: »

    Beginning of the end for the IDFPA.
    Have to agree. What a pity :(


  • #16
    d'Oracle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    Hanley wrote: »
    No. But most of the other good drug free lifters lift with other federations anyway so it's not exactly a representative sample when it comes to competition.

    Still though, if you compete again, would you be alright competing with UNtested athletes?
    I guess its irrelevant really.


  • #17
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    d'Oracle wrote: »
    Still though, if you compete again, would you be alright competing with tested athletes?
    I guess its irrelevant really.

    I do not understand the question...


  • #18
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Hanley wrote: »
    I do not understand the question...

    I think he's accusing you of on being on gear. :)



    That or an unfortunate typo.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #19
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    briankeating wrote: »
    I think he's accusing you of on being on gear. :)



    That or an unfortunate typo.

    Sounds like that doesn't it?


  • #20
    the drifter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭the drifter


    careful now.....thems some dangerous words...

    if you have accusing to do....this aint the time or the place


  • #21
    d'Oracle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    Hanley wrote: »
    Sounds like that doesn't it?

    ****. sorry.
    I genuinely meant Untested.

    Sorry.

    I meant would you be ok competing with UNtested athletes, but its probably irrelevant cos its not like there is no alternative.

    Sorry.


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  • #22
    the drifter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭the drifter


    typo of the year!


  • #23
    d'Oracle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    the drifter wrote: »
    typo of the year!

    Should be preserved so everybody can see how easily stuff can go to ****e if you don't check your posts....:o


  • #24
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    d'Oracle wrote: »
    ****. sorry.
    I genuinely meant Untested.

    Sorry.

    I meant would you be ok competing with UNtested athletes, but its probably irrelevant cos its not like there is no alternative.

    Sorry.


    You're some muppet!!! :D:D:D

    And yah of course I would be, I've done it before sure!! Makes no odds. I don't really care about placing, I just wanna break PRs.


  • #25
    podge57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭podge57


    Hanley wrote: »
    Try to keep up to date with some of the posts on the IDFPA forum. The attitude some of the members have is obnoxiously elitist. They care more about being drug free zealots than they do lifting and being strong.

    Yeah, it seems to be a very small minority of people who are trying to push this through. Most members just want to lift and break PRs

    There are probably a good few lifters that want to lift in a tested fed, and are proud to be drugfree, and some that don't want to compete against untested lifters. But there can't be more than a handful of people who don't want IDFPA lifters to have the option to compete in other feds


  • #26
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    podge57 wrote: »
    Yeah, it seems to be a very small minority of people who are trying to push this through. Most members just want to lift and break PRs

    There are probably a good few lifters that want to lift in a tested fed, and are proud to be drugfree, and some that don't want to compete against untested lifters. But there can't be more than a handful of people who don't want IDFPA lifters to have the option to compete in other feds

    F*ck it. Who wants to help me resurrect the IPF?

    There's talks of a raw world championship coming from them and the standard of lifting would be absolutely sick.


  • #27
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    I want to make another point too.

    The WDFPF is not a life time drug free federation. Once you're clean for 5 years you're allowed to lift even if you have decades of drug abuse under your belt. Ronnie Coleman could take a year break and lift with them like.

    But if you go to a comp to spot/load or handle one of your friends who isn't clean, even if you are and available for testing at ANY TIME during the year, you get banned.

    Strange, eh?


  • #28
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Hanley wrote: »
    I want to make another point too.

    The WDFPF is not a life time drug free federation. Once you're clean for 5 years you're allowed to lift even if you have decades of drug abuse under your belt. Ronnie Coleman could take a year break and lift with them like.

    But if you go to a comp to spot/load or handle one of your friends who isn't clean, even if you are and available for testing at ANY TIME during the year, you get banned.

    Strange, eh?

    Can't the memebers of the IDFPA oust the president by public vote and re write the charter?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #29
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    briankeating wrote: »
    Can't the memebers of the IDFPA oust the president by public vote and re write the charter?

    It won't matter a damn if the WDFPF pass it, the member countries are bound by that directive.

    Might delay it for a year nationally, but it looks like it's gonna get forced thru internationally.


  • #30
    dantes87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭dantes87


    The IDFPA website says the comp is going ahead for Feb 12th.

    Have the rule changes been implemented or any developments?
    Anyone competing?


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  • #31
    Hanley
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    dantes87 wrote: »
    The IDFPA website says the comp is going ahead for Feb 12th.

    Have the rule changes been implemented or any developments?
    Anyone competing?

    THe WDFPF carried out a postal ballot of member nations at the end of December. THe majority decision was that NO WDFPF member nations were to allow dual affiliation of lifters, and as such, the IDFPA's hands are tied.

    So essentially you can't even step foot inside another federations comp as a lifter, spotter, loader or handler.

    Ireland got 3 votes. "We" voted 2-1 against the motion. The IDFPA constitution CLEARLY states that "we" were allowed have dual affiliation, it was voted on by the members in 2007 and agreed to.

    The fact that it was a 2-1 vote and not 3-0 should tell you everything about the people running the IDFPA. It's their own personal fiefdom, and the desire of the majority is ignored. Dunno why anyone would lift with or support them.


  • #32
    dantes87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭dantes87


    Hanley wrote: »
    THe WDFPF carried out a postal ballot of member nations at the end of December. THe majority decision was that NO WDFPF member nations were to allow dual affiliation of lifters, and as such, the IDFPA's hands are tied.

    So essentially you can't even step foot inside another federations comp as a lifter, spotter, loader or handler.

    Ireland got 3 votes. "We" voted 2-1 against the motion. The IDFPA constitution CLEARLY states that "we" were allowed have dual affiliation, it was voted on by the members in 2007 and agreed to.

    The fact that it was a 2-1 vote and not 3-0 should tell you everything about the people running the IDFPA. It's their own personal fiefdom, and the desire of the majority is ignored. Dunno why anyone would lift with or support them.

    Thanks for that.

    I still don't understand why they are doing this, as I understand it they are a small federation nationally and globally. Why would they lower their membership numbers buy banning possible competitors?

    It can't really be a drug issue if those from other feds are still available for testing can it?

    Having so many feds is confusing for beginners like me and puts people of competing initially. Decisions like this split the sport more and hinder powerlifting as a whole, IMO.


  • #33
    itsallaboutheL
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    dantes87 wrote: »
    It can't really be a drug issue if those from other feds are still available for testing can it?

    From what i can gather, the ideals behind the WDFPF is;

    not just about Being Drug Free, but in a sense having an anti drug stance, proactively discouraging people from associating with or aiding in anyway those who do not conform to their ethos.

    In conclusion i too think it's a load of balls


  • #34
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    itsallaboutheL wrote: »
    From what i can gather, the ideals behind the WDFPF is;

    not just about Being Drug Free, but in a sense having an anti drug stance, proactively discouraging people from associating with or aiding in anyway those who do not conform to their ethos.

    In conclusion i too think it's a load of balls

    Got it in one.


  • #35
    weeman2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 158 ✭✭weeman2


    It seems strange to be that people assume that because it is called drug free then its is drug free thats like saying the olympics are drug free.

    No sport will ever br drug free. FACT (unfortunatley)

    I have lifted in the IPO and IPF and i lifted in these federations beacuse of convinience, ie they where on in Limerick where i live.

    I think lifters should lift against themselves not that should be that i actually admire the lads who lift in all the federations because all they clearly want is more comps to improve and they dont give a s*** about politics.

    It seems a shame that some IDFPA members are so hung up about drugs. I wonder do they use supplements that are banned in Ireland ? pro hormones, tribulus ect

    Thats my two cents its a shame to see this carry on in sport


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