Why buy local?

clothes90

Hi,

I don't want this to turn into any racism thread or anything negative etc, but I just want to find out something.

My OH recently applied for the job in a local shop (along with 100s more). Along the lines of Spar. Anyway she didn't get an interview, even though she has plenty of experience. I have then found out the owner has employed 3 new people who are from outside the EU. There is also another 3 people from outside the EU who have worked there for over a year. One of them is my nextdoor neighbour. I have no problem with this as my neighbour is a brilliant (and goes shopping etc with my OH).

The point Im making is WHY WHY WHY are shopowners/irish business' wanting us to Shop local, Not buy in the north, support the local economy etc, when they ARE NOT supporting the local people who are on the dole?!?!

My neighbour is on the student Visa, she works over 40 hours a week. If she doesn't work, she does not get the dole, so in turn it does not effect our economy if she doesn't work.

This is really beginning to annoy me. Im NOT talking about people from the EU as i understand we can go to their country and apply for jobs.

But you know it might be good for Irish Business' to try and employ local people? They want Irish people to buy local and support them, yet they aren't exactly supporting us. Newry all the way from now on.!

Joey the lips

There is an add running on the radio at the moment from Dunnes stores and its slogan is

"The difference is we're irish"

Half the board of dunnes stores are listed UK directors. The staff are european and not irish solely. This no different than tesco policy imo

As far as i am concerned i buy where is cheapest.

Not local but cheapest...

clothes90

haha yes i hear that all the time. I really don't see any difference between them and tesco and lidl and aldi to be honest.

Last year I bought all my food in the north, and also my kids presents. This year Im going to do the same (even though its not as cheap). But its a day out and I find the selection better.

I have no problem with any nationality working in IReland if they are living here and paying taxes. The problem I DO have is why the hell are they employing people from outside the EU when the dole queue is up the wall? Then expect IRISH people to spend their money in their shops???

Typical double standards in Ireland. Some things never change...:rolleyes:

P. Breathnach

So OP shops in NI, regardless of price differentials, but believes that his local shop has an obligation to employ his wife in preference to a non-Irish person.

And complains about double standards. I wonder why it is that we have to go to a word of Hebrew, rather than Irish, roots to describe such a position: chutzpah.

Jarren

Next weekend I'm going to Newry to get a new mobile phone

why ?

the answer is in those 2 links below

http://shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-phones/sony-ericsson-w995-black

http://www.three.ie/shop/sony-ericsson-w995-light-black-prepay.htm

I'm saying no more....

borderlinemeath

Perhaps the staff that were hired were available for hours/shifts that were needed.

I usually find when I'm hiring that some people come with "restrictions" - ie they wont work late nights, weekends, kids holidays etc.

The majority of staff that I do take on are willing and able to work any hours going.

Some peoples circumstances dictate their availability, not their nationality.

dudara

This isn't really a Consumer Issue - more of a case for Irish Economics perhaps

dudara

ScouseMouse

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Perhaps the staff that were hired were available for hours/shifts that were needed.

I usually find when I'm hiring that some people come with "restrictions" - ie they wont work late nights, weekends, kids holidays etc.

The majority of staff that I do take on are willing and able to work any hours going.

Some peoples circumstances dictate their availability, not their nationality.

Thats usually it. I cannot work tuesday nights, or weekends is a regular one.

Shelflife

clothes90 wrote: »

Hi,

I don't want this to turn into any racism thread or anything negative etc, but I just want to find out something.

My OH recently applied for the job in a local shop (along with 100s more). Along the lines of Spar. Anyway she didn't get an interview, even though she has plenty of experience. I have then found out the owner has employed 3 new people who are from outside the EU. There is also another 3 people from outside the EU who have worked there for over a year. One of them is my nextdoor neighbour. I have no problem with this as my neighbour is a brilliant (and goes shopping etc with my OH).

The point Im making is WHY WHY WHY are shopowners/irish business' wanting us to Shop local, Not buy in the north, support the local economy etc, when they ARE NOT supporting the local people who are on the dole?!?!

My neighbour is on the student Visa, she works over 40 hours a week. If she doesn't work, she does not get the dole, so in turn it does not effect our economy if she doesn't work.

This is really beginning to annoy me. Im NOT talking about people from the EU as i understand we can go to their country and apply for jobs.

But you know it might be good for Irish Business' to try and employ local people? They want Irish people to buy local and support them, yet they aren't exactly supporting us. Newry all the way from now on.!

So let me get this straight, your local shop (who you dont support) employs your nextdoor neighbour and im presuming that these non eu employees live locally and dont fly in and out every day and hes doing something wrong?

are you saying that if your neighbour and your wife were the only candidates for a job that he should employ your wife because shes irish??

maybe its because you dont support the local shop that you didnt get an interview. what comes around goes around.

Shelflife

Just because they are not Irish doesnt mean that they arent local !!!!

clothes90

P. Breathnach wrote: »

So OP shops in NI, regardless of price differentials, but believes that his local shop has an obligation to employ his wife in preference to a non-Irish person.

And complains about double standards. I wonder why it is that we have to go to a word of Hebrew, rather than Irish, roots to describe such a position: chutzpah.

Em No im complaining that shop owners in Ireland are saying "buy local" "Support local jobs" etc... YET they employ people outside the EU, who aren't "local".

Thats the double standard.

Such Rubbish!!!! "Most Irish people come with restrictions". Never heard so much BULL. So what if some irish person comes with a restriction?!?! Simply say sorry no job, then find an irish person who HAS NO RESTRICTIONS! The way your going on you'd swear all of the Irish race has "Restrictions". Sure wouldn't those people outside the EU have restrictions? Visa restrictions? Study/College restrictions??

You can't defend it so you try change the issue to me shopping up north? Maybe I want to support "locals" up there? Northern Irish people are more local to me than people outside the EU:rolleyes:

My loyality to shopping in Ireland is about as much as yours is to employing Irish people.

clothes90

Shelflife wrote: »

Just because they are not Irish doesnt mean that they arent local !!!!

No it doesn't. BUT my point is why not Irish business' HELP TO CLEAR THE DOLE QUEUES BY EMPLOYING PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE DOLE. Even if they are Polish, Czech, English etc...

clothes90

Shelflife wrote: »

So let me get this straight, your local shop (who you dont support) employs your nextdoor neighbour and im presuming that these non eu employees live locally and dont fly in and out every day and hes doing something wrong?

are you saying that if your neighbour and your wife were the only candidates for a job that he should employ your wife because shes irish??

maybe its because you dont support the local shop that you didnt get an interview. what comes around goes around.

Oh ye because my local shop knows where I do my shopping? Seriously stop clutching at straws. I do support my local shop. Im in it every morning on way to work and every evening. So whats your point? Shelflife I love how your able to tell me how I don't support my local shop, next you will be telling me what i eat for breakfast.

And yes Shelflife, what goes around comes around. Years of being ripped off by SHOP OWNERS has backfired on them, especially last xmas with all going to the north. So you are very true in that statement of what goes around comes around.

No Im simply saying they should have given the jobs to people who are on the dole. If there Irish, English, German I don't care.

A lot of countries make no secret they employ their own citizens before foreign citizens.

Im not saying we should do that, but I think people who are on the DOLE (DONT CARE WHERE THERE FROM) should get preference to those who are not on the dole and cannot claim the dole!

P. Breathnach

clothes90 wrote: »

Em No im complaining that shop owners in Ireland are saying "buy local" "Support local jobs" etc... YET they employ people outside the EU, who aren't "local".

Thats the double standard.

You really don't get it, do you?

I'm complaining about shoppers in Ireland who don't buy local, yet want jobs in their neighbourhood shop.

That's a double standard.

borderlinemeath

clothes90 wrote: »

Em No im complaining that shop owners in Ireland are saying "buy local" "Support local jobs" etc... YET they employ people outside the EU, who aren't "local".

Thats the double standard.

Such Rubbish!!!! "Most Irish people come with restrictions". Never heard so much BULL. So what if some irish person comes with a restriction?!?! Simply say sorry no job, then find an irish person who HAS NO RESTRICTIONS! The way your going on you'd swear all of the Irish race has "Restrictions". Sure wouldn't those people outside the EU have restrictions? Visa restrictions? Study/College restrictions??

You can't defend it so you try change the issue to me shopping up north? Maybe I want to support "locals" up there? Northern Irish people are more local to me than people outside the EU:rolleyes:

My loyality to shopping in Ireland is about as much as yours is to employing Irish people.

Just where did I say that?? I said "some people come with restrictions" not "Irish people".

Heres the thing - If there is a job available - the applicants need to be available to do the job. It doesn't matter a jot where they're from.

paul71

A couple of weeks ago I was going to buy some fish in Dunnes, picked up some "Donegal Catch" I turned it over, read the label - packaged in Holland. Prompty replaced on the shelf.

clothes90

P. Breathnach wrote: »

You really don't get it, do you?

I'm complaining about shoppers in Ireland who don't buy local, yet want jobs in their neighbourhood shop.

That's a double standard.

Well then start your own thread entitled "Shoppers in Ireland who don't buy local, yet want jobs in neighbour hood shops":rolleyes: because I'm not one of those people who don't buy local. I do! BUT I also buy up north!

Your making out I buy NOTHING in Ireland, yet want my wife to have a job in the local shop?? Where did i say that? Do you know me??

My wife and I are in the shop EVERYDAY. I know the staff by name and they know me by name. So obviously I DO spend local.

So I go to the North to buy Xmas stuff? So what?

Your point is, that maybe my local shop won't employ my wife because I spend my money up north? Do they know how often I go up north? Do you?

So Maybe the local shop shouldnt support foreigners because they spend there money in their home contry when they go on holidays? :rolleyes:

I go up north once a year and spend my money, they go home once a year and spend their money? Your point is stupid TBH.

I think its best you start your own thread and stop talking rubbish on this one cause your missing the point.

wmpdd3

i do agree the 'student visa' thing needs to be looked into, like they have in the uk. Collage courses only, not courses in rented offices.

clothes90

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Just where did I say that?? I said "some people come with restrictions" not "Irish people".

Heres the thing - If there is a job available - the applicants need to be available to do the job. It doesn't matter a jot where they're from.

Apologies there borderlinemeath I read it wrong

Yes that is true people can come with restrictions, but I just think shop owners should try clear the dole instead of hiring people who are from outside the EU on permits.

P. Breathnach

clothes90 wrote: »

... I think its best you start your own thread and stop talking rubbish on this one cause your missing the point.

If you post something on a discussion board, be prepared for discussion. If you don't like what I say, tough.

clothes90

wmpdd3 wrote: »

i do agree the 'student visa' thing needs to be looked into, like they have in the uk. Collage courses only, not courses in rented offices.

Thats my point. I can't understand why they will hire these people, and lets be honest there is 1000's of them around Dublin working away. I think Irish business' should employ people on the dole to help clear it. If this means they hire my wife, my neighbour, a polish person who has worked here before and claiming the dole, I think thats brilliant.

But to the shops who employ these people on "Visas" when so many people are on the dole, then its good enough for them if people don't shop there and go up north.

nice_guy80

a better policy would be to just cut the level of dole for non-Irish citizens and any non genuine person might not consider staying just for the generous social welfare system

strange, but my local Dunnes, Tesco, Supervalu, Superquinn all seem to have Irish employees

whereas Lidl and Aldi seem to have mainly eastern europeans and people from the baltic countries employed.

And I've huge problems with companies using Ireland to escape tax
Tesco regards Ireland as 'Treasure Island' due to the huge profits they make here in comparison to the UK. and the lower tax paid

borderlinemeath

clothes90 wrote: »

Apologies there borderlinemeath I read it wrong

Yes that is true people can come with restrictions, but I just think shop owners should try clear the dole instead of hiring people who are from outside the EU on permits.

That's not what is usually at the top of a business owners agenda when advertising for staff.

If there is a position available the criteria is usually the following:

The best person for the job. Best experience and/or qualifications.

The best value for money. If they have two equally qualified and experienced people but one demands a higher wage - naturally they will go for the cheaper option to keep overheads down.

The best "team player". Will the new recruit fit in with the current staff? Will they get on or cause havoc?

Sometimes over qualified or over experienced applicants aren't even considered as they are not always the best person for the job. They can be viewed as "filling a gap" until a better offer comes along or they can get bored easily and this lead to further apathy down the line.

hzhang

clothes90 wrote: »

Thats my point. I can't understand why they will hire these people, and lets be honest there is 1000's of them around Dublin working away. I think Irish business' should employ people on the dole to help clear it. If this means they hire my wife, my neighbour, a polish person who has worked here before and claiming the dole, I think thats brilliant.

But to the shops who employ these people on "Visas" when so many people are on the dole, then its good enough for them if people don't shop there and go up north.

First of all, I'm from outside EU.

From my experience, the employer prefers to employ more part-time staff than full-time staff. When someone calls sick it is much easier to find some part-time staff to cover the shift. Guess people on dole are not interested in part-time jobs.

To be honest most people I know on student visa work within 20 hours a week and they are really hard workers. I am not denying that there is someone like your neighbor girl who abuses the system, but my point is most non-EU students are obeying the law and make their contributions to the Irish economics by paying extra tuition fees compared to EU students.

p1akuw47h5r3it

nice_guy80 wrote: »

a better policy would be to just cut the level of dole for non-Irish citizens and any non genuine person might not consider staying just for the generous social welfare system

strange, but my local Dunnes, Tesco, Supervalu, Superquinn all seem to have Irish employees

whereas Lidl and Aldi seem to have mainly eastern europeans and people from the baltic countries employed.

And I've huge problems with companies using Ireland to escape tax
Tesco regards Ireland as 'Treasure Island' due to the huge profits they make here in comparison to the UK. and the lower tax paid

So what do you want to do?

Increase the tax they pay which will result in them leaving costing 1000's of Jobs?

That would be a completely racist thing to do. These non-irish citizens are clearly motivated to work otherwise they wouldn't have come here in the first place. They probably enjoy being the on the dole just as much as everyone else who was used to working.

Lockstep

clothes90 wrote: »

Hey I don't mind what you say but when your talking sh*t that has nothing to do with the topic and acting as if you know me, i do mind what you say.

Yes please do DISCUSS the topic but DONT come up with presumptions about me or where I shop. Go with the facts and stay on topic.

I want to be a mod haha :eek:;):pac:

Get personal again and you'll be taking some time off the forum to cool your heels.
/mod

Lockstep

nice_guy80 wrote: »

a better policy would be to just cut the level of dole for non-Irish citizens and any non genuine person might not consider staying just for the generous social welfare system

strange, but my local Dunnes, Tesco, Supervalu, Superquinn all seem to have Irish employees

whereas Lidl and Aldi seem to have mainly eastern europeans and people from the baltic countries employed.

And I've huge problems with companies using Ireland to escape tax
Tesco regards Ireland as 'Treasure Island' due to the huge profits they make here in comparison to the UK. and the lower tax paid

Having spent a fair while working for Dunnes, your claims that Dunnes mainly employ Irish people certainly doesn't tie in with my experience.

Trying to cut the dole for non-Irish citizens won't work as we'll get the EU on our backs for discriminating against fellow EU citizens.

If someone's worked enough and paid their PRSI, then they're perfectly entitled to claim social welfare, regardless of what nationality they are.

ronano

jarecki1976 wrote: »

Next weekend I'm going to Newry to get a new mobile phone

why ?

the answer is in those 2 links below

http://shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-phones/sony-ericsson-w995-black

http://www.three.ie/shop/sony-ericsson-w995-light-black-prepay.htm

I'm saying no more....

jesus that's an insane difference

rainbowdash

clothes90 wrote: »

Em No im complaining that shop owners in Ireland are saying "buy local" "Support local jobs" etc... YET they employ people outside the EU, who aren't "local".

Thats the double standard.

Such Rubbish!!!! "Most Irish people come with restrictions". Never heard so much BULL. So what if some irish person comes with a restriction?!?! Simply say sorry no job, then find an irish person who HAS NO RESTRICTIONS! The way your going on you'd swear all of the Irish race has "Restrictions". Sure wouldn't those people outside the EU have restrictions? Visa restrictions? Study/College restrictions??

You can't defend it so you try change the issue to me shopping up north? Maybe I want to support "locals" up there? Northern Irish people are more local to me than people outside the EU:rolleyes:

My loyality to shopping in Ireland is about as much as yours is to employing Irish people.

The shop decided to employ you next door neighbour - they are as local as you.:rolleyes:

Imagine all the Irish people working all over the world were sent back here because they weren't local?

wmpdd3

When I'm hiring for retail, I usually need 20hrs per week, 5 x 4 hrs shifts at minimum wage starting off. 3 sundays out of 4 at time and a third. shifts spread 5 over 7 days max 7days in a row. working hours between 6am and 11pm.

This is what I say 1st thing in interviews, do you know many people who would do this job, compared to their dole?

ps I would always interview if they had convience store experience as they will know what i am looking for.

Shelflife

Oh ye because my local shop knows where I do my shopping? Seriously stop clutching at straws. I do support my local shop. Im in it every morning on way to work and every evening. So whats your point? Shelflife I love how your able to tell me how I don't support my local shop, next you will be telling me what i eat for breakfast.

And yes Shelflife, what goes around comes around. Years of being ripped off by SHOP OWNERS has backfired on them, especially last xmas with all going to the north. So you are very true in that statement of what goes around comes around.


Clothes90 in your opening post you never mentioned that you shopped local, you only mentioned that newry was your next port of call.

as a shop owner ive never ripped anyone off over the years, ive employed up to 20 people at any one time, irish, english, polish,american. ive worked hard long hours and reinvested everything back into the business.

all of my employees were local in my eyes, and i employed the best fit for the job in each case regardless of where they were from.

as outlined above there are many various reasons for someone not getting a job, nationlity is rarely one of them.

dan_d

I'm not going to argue over what nationality is employed in local shops.But I shop in an Irish supermarket in a town 20 mins down the road. It's a stand alone supermarket, with excellent prices and does absolutely booming business.

There's quite a large local store in our town. Honestly?It's too expensive.Way too expensive.I don't feel bad not shopping there because I give my money to the other supermarket which is Irish, but how can the local shop honestly expect people to buy stuff there when it's just way too expensive? And we're just an hour from the border as it is.

clothes90

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Get personal again and you'll be taking some time off the forum to cool your heels.
/mod

Haha ok i think you took that out of context. It was nothing personal against you I didnt even know the mod on here. I was talking tongue in cheek cause i said "Keep on topic" and thats what mods are saying all over boards. :cool:

clothes90

hzhang wrote: »

First of all, I'm from outside EU.

From my experience, the employer prefers to employ more part-time staff than full-time staff. When someone calls sick it is much easier to find some part-time staff to cover the shift. Guess people on dole are not interested in part-time jobs.

To be honest most people I know on student visa work within 20 hours a week and they are really hard workers. I am not denying that there is someone like your neighbor girl who abuses the system, but my point is most non-EU students are obeying the law and make their contributions to the Irish economics by paying extra tuition fees compared to EU students.

Hi,

Its nothing against you at all. I'm glad you don't abuse the system but a lot of people unfortunately DO. Im not taring you all with the 1 brush. I understand you contribute by paying fees but these are fees to the college, which you chose to come to, nobody forced you to pay them. Same way if I go to college in Spain im covered with fees, if i chose to go to college in USA I pay extra. But it was my choice.

Im simply saying that with the current situation in Ireland, I think that Irish Business' should employ EU citizens who ARE on the dole, over citizens from outside the EU.

Lockstep

clothes90 wrote: »

Haha ok i think you took that out of context. It was nothing personal against you I didnt even know the mod on here. I was talking tongue in cheek cause i said "Keep on topic" and thats what mods are saying all over boards. :cool:

Nothing to do with you desire to be a Mod or with me taking anything out of context.

More this sort of stuff:

clothes90 wrote: »

Hey I don't mind what you say but when your talking sh*t that has nothing to do with the topic and acting as if you know me, i do mind what you say.

Accuse a poster of talking sh!t again and you'll be given some time off the forum. Likewise, if you feel a poster is going off-topic, report the post to one of us and we'll deal with it. Don't back seat mod.

Also, read the Forum charter. Don't argue with a Mod in thread, it drags things even further off topic. If you have an issue, take it to Help Desk or feel free to PM me.

clothes90

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Having spent a fair while working for Dunnes, your claims that Dunnes mainly employ Irish people certainly doesn't tie in with my experience.

Trying to cut the dole for non-Irish citizens won't work as we'll get the EU on our backs for discriminating against fellow EU citizens.

If someone's worked enough and paid their PRSI, then they're perfectly entitled to claim social welfare, regardless of what nationality they are.

I don't it would be fair to cut the dole for non-irish citizens and im not suggesting that. When I say Irish business' should employ people on the dole, I mean people on the dole. Weither they be from Ireland, UK, France, Poland, Lithuania etc...

Irish business WANT us to spend our money local, to keep locals in jobs and them in business.... Because it WILL help our economy and thats fare enough.

BUT I think they should employ local people who ARE on the dole (weither they be from France, UK etc). Because this WILL help our economy.

AFAIK people from outside the EU cannot get the dole?

Lockstep

clothes90 wrote: »

I don't it would be fair to cut the dole for non-irish citizens and im not suggesting that. When I say Irish business' should employ people on the dole, I mean people on the dole. Weither they be from Ireland, UK, France, Poland, Lithuania etc...

Irish business WANT us to spend our money local, to keep locals in jobs and them in business.... Because it WILL help our economy and thats fare enough.

BUT I think they should employ local people who ARE on the dole (weither they be from France, UK etc). Because this WILL help our economy.

AFAIK people from outside the EU cannot get the dole?

You make it sound like they are bringing people in from outside Ireland, just to get them to work here.

If you've got the necessary paperwork to work in Ireland and a business wants to hire you, then what's the issue?

clothes90

rainbowdash wrote: »

The shop decided to employ you next door neighbour - they are as local as you.:rolleyes:

Imagine all the Irish people working all over the world were sent back here because they weren't local?

Umm I have seen this first hand! As has many. In the USA they pick USA citzens over Mexicans, AUstralia picks australians over chinese. In fact in Australia and USA its extremely common to see job ads with "Australian/USA citizens need only apply".

Also have you looked at a polish newspaper lately? Ask your polish friends, 90% of the job oppurtunitys say on them "No irish apply".

clothes90

kickoutthejams wrote: »

You make it sound like they are bringing people in from outside Ireland, just to get them to work here.

If you've got the necessary paperwork to work in Ireland and a business wants to hire you, then what's the issue?

Im not saying that at all.

The issue is... Irish business want us to support them and the local community. All Im saying is why don't Irish business' support the local community by employing people who are filling up our dole queue.

Lockstep

clothes90 wrote: »

Im not saying that at all.

The issue is... Irish business want us to support them and the local community. All Im saying is why don't Irish business' support the local community by employing people who are filling up our dole queue.

Then what exactly are you saying?
They hire people who apply to them. I can't see how else to do it.

waxon-waxoff

As long as dole and benefits are as good as they are Irish people will be reluctant to take minimum wage jobs. Theres a hoplessness and laziness that has crept into some Irish peoples minds and they prefer to hang around the house all day even if it means living on less money. Many non-Irish come from a culture where you work or starve so that motivates them to work here even for minimum wage rate. They manage to save plenty of it too. Employers know this determination is lacking in many Irish people and so they often hire elsewhere. Retail jobs are seen as a stepping stone by most Irish people unlike Asians for example who are happy working full time in retail.

clothes90

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Then what exactly are you saying?
They hire people who apply to them. I can't see how else to do it.

But people from outside the EU (Unless they are residents) cannot claim the dole!:rolleyes:

keithclancy

clothes90 wrote: »

But people from outside the EU (Unless they are residents) cannot claim the dole!:rolleyes:

You just need a PPS number, there is no formal registration system in place.

oppenheimer1

Why are non EU nationals employed over locals, well thats easy they work for cash and they work for less. Their employer has them by the short and curlies because they can threaten to report them to immigration. Many non-eu nationals work well beyond their hours allowed on their visas.

clothes90

keithclancy wrote: »

You just need a PPS number, there is no formal registration system in place.

So can a student here on a student visa from outside the EU claim the dole?

I just think that Irish Business' should help the economy by hiring those from the dole OVER those who are on student visas etc.

If the economy picks up, and theres a shortage of workers then fine hire who they want.

I just dont think Irish Business' should on the one hand say shop local to help the economy and on the other hand employ someone who hasn't contributed to the economy.

I don't care if they are from Japan or the moon.

I DO understand there are some exceptions, but they are not the rule.

If someone from outside the EU is living in Ireland, has contributed to the economy and has become entitled to the dole (through residentcy etc) then thats fine, they would be considered local to me. As in, Its one less person on our dole queue.

clothes90

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Why are non EU nationals employed over locals, well thats easy they work for cash and they work for less. Their employer has them by the short and curlies because they can threaten to report them to immigration. Many non-eu nationals work well beyond their hours allowed on their visas.

Yes and there probably the SAME employers who are saying "Keep the business local". That's what I was getting at when I earlier said "double standards"!

YES many people from outside the EU on student visas work FULL TIME here in Ireland. They shouldn't be given a job over someone on the dole or an EU national.

Lockstep

clothes90 wrote: »

But people from outside the EU (Unless they are residents) cannot claim the dole!:rolleyes:

If they've been paying their PRSI, then they'll be able to get the Jobseeker's Benefit.
Are you saying businesses should hire people who are on the dole rather than those who are unemployed but aren't?

I'm afraid I don't follow the logic there. If they're unable to recieve the dole but are entitled to work, then it's the owner's perogative who s/he hires.

Shelflife

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Why are non EU nationals employed over locals, well thats easy they work for cash and they work for less. Their employer has them by the short and curlies because they can threaten to report them to immigration. Many non-eu nationals work well beyond their hours allowed on their visas.

why would you pay someone off the books (cash)?? in order to do that you would have to skim money off the top just to pay them, it makes no financial sense.

wmpdd3

clothes90 wrote: »

Umm I have seen this first hand! As has many. In the USA they pick USA citzens over Mexicans, AUstralia picks australians over chinese. In fact in Australia and USA its extremely common to see job ads with "Australian/USA citizens need only apply".

Also have you looked at a polish newspaper lately? Ask your polish friends, 90% of the job oppurtunitys say on them "No irish apply".

I work with over 90 Polish people, all of whom have never seen that phrase. Post a link or forget it.

This is more like what is going on in Poland:

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/regionalne/irlandia/darmowy-ser-na-poprawe-nastrojow-irlandczykow,1,3774831,region-wiadomosc.html

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/regionalne/irlandia/bank-of-ireland-wspiera-polskich-przedsiebiorcow,1,3454302,wiadomosc.html

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/wiadomosci/ireland-gives-bad-bank-wide-powers,1,3520944,wiadomosc.html

dvpower

clothes90 wrote: »

Also have you looked at a polish newspaper lately? Ask your polish friends, 90% of the job oppurtunitys say on them "No irish apply".

Liar.

oppenheimer1

Shelflife wrote: »

why would you pay someone off the books (cash)?? in order to do that you would have to skim money off the top just to pay them, it makes no financial sense.

What? It makes complete financial sense. Paying cash at a rate below the minimum wage saves the employer money. If they are completely off books there is no employers prsi to pay. In a cash based business, like a supermarket it would be easy to do. An office could keep an exceptionally large petty cash either of the manager could pay himself a bit extra and use this extra to pay off his other staff. Another way of doing it is to falsify payslips ie writing on the payslip that they worked a shorter number of hours than they actually.

There are many many ways of getting around the accounting trail in order to hire and pay illegally.