North Korea, Warmonger State

bobblepuzzle

(CNN) -- "Running dogs," "imperialist lackeys," "criminal gangs" and "brigandish moves" -- that sort of propaganda language died with the Cold War, except in the offices of the Korean Central News Agency.

This kind of rhetoric would be funny if it wasn't so serious... what should the West do to counter this retarded eijit and his regime?

I say take the nutjob and his sons out, covert style, but if he wants a war and end up being hung like Saddam Hussein, then bring it on! :mad:

IvySlayer

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

(CNN) -- "Running dogs," "imperialist lackeys," "criminal gangs" and "brigandish moves" -- that sort of propaganda language died with the Cold War, except in the offices of the Korean Central News Agency.

This kind of rhetoric would be funny if it wasn't so serious... what should the West do to counter this retarded eijit and his regime?

I say take the nutjob and his sons out, covert style, but if he wants a war and end up being hung like Saddam Hussein, then bring it on! :mad:

North Korea is allied with China, who's going to **** with China? And before you say America, the dollar is completely owned by China.

chin_grin

Stop. Playing. Call. Of. F*ckin'. Duty!

Iwasfrozen

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

what should the West do to counter this retarded eijit and his regime?

Nothing. It's none of our business.

Ghandee

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

(CNN) -- "Running dogs," "imperialist lackeys," "criminal gangs" and "brigandish moves" -- that sort of propaganda language died with the Cold War, except in the offices of the Korean Central News Agency.

This kind of rhetoric would be funny if it wasn't so serious... what should the West do to counter this retarded eijit and his regime?

I say take the nutjob and his sons out, covert style, but if he wants a war and end up being hung like Saddam Hussein, then bring it on! :mad:

Chill the fock out bro!
Were a peaceful, neutral, (and now broke) wee country!
Enough ptoblems of our own, without worrying about Kim young whats his face!

bobblepuzzle

IvySlayer wrote: »

North Korea is allied with China, who's going to **** with China? And before you say America, the dollar is completely owned by China.

The Chinese aren't oblivious to what is going on... they know the North are acting like complete dickheads... any attack on South Korea will involve the Americans, the Chinese won't intervene, but say harsh words...

Ulysses Gaze

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

(CNN) -- "Running dogs," "imperialist lackeys," "criminal gangs" and "brigandish moves" -- that sort of propaganda language died with the Cold War, except in the offices of the Korean Central News Agency.

This kind of rhetoric would be funny if it wasn't so serious... what should the West do to counter this retarded eijit and his regime?

I say take the nutjob and his sons out, covert style, but if he wants a war and end up being hung like Saddam Hussein, then bring it on! :mad:

The US can't really run in there though all guns blazing because any attempt to do so means an almost guaranteed Nuclear strike on South Korea.

And the US has around 28,000 men in South Korea.

Plus there is the China factor.

admiralofthefleet

brool story co

bobblepuzzle

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

The US can't really run in there though all guns blazing because any attempt to do so means an almost guaranteed Nuclear strike on South Korea.

And the US has around 28,000 men in South Korea.

Plus there is the China factor.

North Korea has no nuclear arsenal...

IvySlayer

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

The Chinese aren't oblivious to what is going on... they know the North are acting like complete dickheads... any attack on South Korea will involve the Americans, the Chinese won't intervene, but say harsh words...

North Korea are Chinas biggest customers. They don't want the status quo messed up. Only a full on civil unrest will achieve anything.

Jamiekelly

Imperialist lackeys? As opposed to the US and their perfect ways of running a country :rolleyes:

Ulysses Gaze

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

North Korea has no nuclear arsenal...

You believe that?

Even after their nuclear tests?

IvySlayer

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

You believe that?

Even after their nuclear tests?

Nu-clear

It's pronounced n-clear

bobblepuzzle

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

You believe that?

Even after their nuclear tests?

They have no confirmed ability to deliver a nuclear strike anywhere... so yeh I do

RonMexico

It's tough being a dictator.

bobblepuzzle

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Nothing. It's none of our business.

You say that with the Irish "sit on the fence" initiative, the EU, regardless of the States want him taken out, and a decent way of life given to their citizens, he threathens not only South East Asia, but the entire South Pacific, and has developed missile capability that may be able to reach the States...

Iwasfrozen

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

You say that with the Irish "sit on the fence" initiative, the EU, regardless of the States want him taken out, and a decent way of life given to their citizens, he threathens not only South East Asia, but the entire South Pacific, and has developed missile capability that may be able to reach the States...

Like I said. It's none of our business. Let east Asia worry about east Asia.

bobblepuzzle

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Like I said. It's none of our business. Let east Asia worry about east Asia.

What if they can't deal with it? **** them, is that your position?

Krusader

Give it 5 years and the USA will be banging down their door

IvySlayer

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

You say that with the Irish "sit on the fence" initiative, the EU, regardless of the States want him taken out, and a decent way of life given to their citizens, he threathens not only South East Asia, but the entire South Pacific, and has developed missile capability that may be able to reach the States...

And I suppose the US doesn't?

Every country should be able to defend itself.

I don't condone what North Korea do with their citizens but I hate when Americans/EU start complaining about missile capability when they have hundreds of nukes stored underground/on submarines.

Iwasfrozen

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

What if they can't deal with it? **** them, is that your position?

Japan and South Kore are more then capable of dealing with North Korea if it comes to war. Hopefully it won't but if it does why should the west step in? Why do we owe them the same standard of living we have?

Let them deal with their own problems. We have enough on our plates.

bobblepuzzle

IvySlayer wrote: »

And I suppose the US doesn't?

Every country should be able to defend itself.

I don't condone what North Korea do with their citizens but I hate when Americans/EU start complaining about missile capability when they have hundreds of nukes stored underground/on submarines.

Yes, but they are under democratic governments... your point is non-sensicle to the extreme

IvySlayer

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

Yes, but they are under democratic governments... your point is non-sensicle to the extreme

And I suppose every American/Brit voted about going to war with Iraq?

Krusader

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

Yes, but they are under democratic governments... your point is non-sensicle to the extreme

lol... USA are the only country to drop a nuke, 2 in fact

bobblepuzzle

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Japan and South Kore are more then capable of dealing with North Korea if it comes to war. Hopefully it won't but if it does why should the west step in? Why do we owe them the same standard of living we have?

Let them deal with their own problems. We have enough on our plates.

Your right! Why the f*** should they have the same standard of living as we do...

that was sarcasim btw...

Go back in your hole and kiss De-Valeras ass while your at it, sit on the fence

Iwasfrozen

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

Your right! Why the f*** should they have the same standard of living as we do...

that was sarcasim btw...

Go back in your hole and kiss De-Valeras ass while your at it, sit on the fence

You haven't answered my question. Also I didn't say why should they have freedom. I said why do we owe them freedom.

bobblepuzzle

Crosáidí wrote: »

lol... USA are the only country to drop a nuke, 2 in fact

Yes, but that was necessary....

Krusader

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

Yes, but that was necessary....

Why was it? to kill 80,000 or more civilians in one go was necessary, you sir, have a warped mind.
USA were winning at that stage

bobblepuzzle

Crosáidí wrote: »

Why was it? to kill 80,000 or more civilians in one go was necessary, you sir, have a warped mind.
USA were winning at that stage

No sir, you have a warped mind, the USA had already lost hundreds of thousands of troops in Europe, to invade the Japanese mainland conventionaly would have been suicide for hundreds of thousands more marines, since the civilians were also thought to defend the mainland.... it was a pre-emptive action that succeeded in its initiative

bmw535d

in fairness,imo america could put a Crater in the ground where north Korea used to be.

bobblepuzzle

bmw535d wrote: »

in fairness,imo america could put a Crater in the ground where north Korea used to be.

Surely the North Koreans know this? Why are they acting like knobs?

Unpossible

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

You say that with the Irish "sit on the fence" initiative, the EU, regardless of the States want him taken out, and a decent way of life given to their citizens, he threathens not only South East Asia, but the entire South Pacific, and has developed missile capability that may be able to reach the States...

As far as I remember any test they conducted with long range missiles or ones that could carry a nuclear payload fail miserably with then claiming they were sattelite rockets that are now circling the earth playing korean music. The problem isn't the barely working nuclear weapon but the thousands of regular missiles pointed to Seoul.

Also for whoever said it, North Korea are not China's biggest customers, the USA is.

bobblepuzzle

Unpossible wrote: »

As far as I remember any test they conducted with long range missiles or ones that could carry a nuclear payload fail miserably with then claiming they were sattelite rockets that are now circling the earth playing korean music. The problem isn't the barely working nuclear weapon but the thousands of regular missiles pointed to Seoul.

Also for whoever said it, North Korea are not China's biggest customers, the USA is.

They are not missiles, its long range artillery

Krusader

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

No sir, you have a warped mind, the USA had already lost hundreds of thousands of troops in Europe, to invade the Japanese mainland conventionaly would have been suicide for hundreds of thousands more marines, since the civilians were also thought to defend the mainland.... it was a pre-emptive action that succeeded in its initiative

It was also genocide, the Americans had the squeeze on the Japanese, they would of won regardless and the Russians were closing in to the north

bobblepuzzle

Crosáidí wrote: »

It was also genocide, the Americans had the squeeze on the Japanese, they would of won regardless and the Russians were closing in to the north

No they did not... as I said an attempted landing on the Japanese would have been suicide... do you know any history at all, or just plain arrogance?

dermo88

I say just turn North Korea into glass, may it glow for a thousand years.

Because frankly, the only good communist is a dead one.

Rabble Rabble

Ok, so lets say the Americans stay out of it.

What sensible sane and moral human being would not like the South to blow the f*ck out of the North's military complex, kill its dictatorial class, and unite the country under a democracy?

( A few nutters on the internet, thats who. You know who you are)

bobblepuzzle

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

Ok, so lets say the Americans stay out of it.

What sensible sane and moral human being would not like the South to blow the f*ck out of the North's military complex, kill its dictatorial class, and unite the country under a democracy?

( A few nutters on the internet, thats who. You know who you are)

Its a bit more complicated than that since the North has a lot of Artillery targeted on Seoul, a mere 60 miles to the south....

Krusader

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

No they did not... as I said an attempted landing on the Japanese would have been suicide... do you know any history at all, or just plain arrogance?

They say history is written by the victors. So history will be written by the allies, so to justify the nuking of 2 cities and the killing of over 100,000 japanese civilians, let's put up the front that it would of been suicide for our troops to land on japanese soil. Make any excuse you will it was mass genocide of innocent civilians on America's part


Arrogance?? North Korea, Warmonger State

The biggest warmongering state is the USA

sock puppet

Crosáidí wrote: »

It was also genocide, the Americans had the squeeze on the Japanese, they would of won regardless and the Russians were closing in to the north

It wasn't genocide. Look up the definition. A land invasion would have resulted in millions more deaths. Germany suffered far more than Japan.

Rabble Rabble

Crosáidí wrote: »

They say history is written by the victors. So history will be written by the allies, so to justify the nuking of 2 cities and the killing of over 100,000 japanese civilians, let's put up the front that it would of been suicide for our troops to land on japanese soil. Make any excuse you will it was mass genocide of innocent civilians on America's part


Arrogance?? North Korea, Warmonger State

The biggest warmongering state is the USA

I'd say you would have been a fan of the Axis, alright.

bobblepuzzle

Crosáidí wrote: »

They say history is written by the victors. So history will be written by the allies, so to justify the nuking of 2 cities and the killing of over 100,000 japanese civilians, let's put up the front that it would of been suicide for our troops to land on japanese soil. Make any excuse you will it was mass genocide of innocent civilians on America's part


Arrogance?? North Korea, Warmonger State

The biggest warmongering state is the USA

The nuclear bombing of those cities was fundamentally and morally accepted, of course people died that had nothing whatsoever to do with anything, but the Japanese Government at the time bears that responsibility... and this is why Japan is a Pacifist state now... those bombs were justified, and any attempt to say they weren't is absolute stupidty, ignorance and arrognace rolled into one

Iron Hide

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

The nuclear bombing of those cities was fundamentally and morally accepted, of course people died that had nothing whatsoever to do with anything, but the Japanese Government at the time bears that responsibility... and this is why Japan is a Pacifist state now... those bombs were justified, and any attempt to say they weren't is absolute stupidty, ignorance and arrognace rolled into one

Justify them.

Rabble Rabble

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

The nuclear bombing of those cities was fundamentally and morally accepted, of course people died that had nothing whatsoever to do with anything, but the Japanese Government at the time bears that responsibility... and this is why Japan is a Pacifist state now... those bombs were justified, and any attempt to say they weren't is absolute stupidty, ignorance and arrognace rolled into one

Ireland, of course, is neutral on Nazzism and Stalinism.

Rabble Rabble

This whole argument is whataboutary anyway. An argument for moral midgets.

Unpossible

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

They are not missiles, its long range artillery

Shows what I know about weapons in general

But its right isn't it? They don't have working ICBM's or a delivery system for the nuclear payload, but lots of artillery (see I just learned something )

bobblepuzzle

Iron Hide wrote: »

Justify them.

You want me to justify the atomic bombings in Japan in WW2? Well I already have unless you have a short memory and/or are blind

Iron Hide

To be fair since its such a tight-knit dictatorship, i seriously doubt whether anyone except for Kim Jong Il himself knows exactly what North Koreas got and whats in the center of the crosshairs.

Krusader

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

I'd say you would have been a fan of the Axis, alright.

Not at all

Nth Korea will get theirs from the USA, so will Iran and Venezuela (that's if they don't assassinate Chávez 1st)

kowloon

Some good books on the morality of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
There are claims that they weren't bombed to save lives or punish Japan, there was evidence that they intended to surrender anyway, firebombings on Japan had already cost more lives than the combined nukes did (combination of firestorm effect and wooden construction).
A lot of speculation that the real reason was to warn the Soviets.
Not sure I believe the above argument, but I haven't read very much on it to form a proper opinion yet.

I say everyone should ignore Jong Il and not invite him to any of the parties.

Iron Hide

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

You want me to justify the atomic bombings in Japan in WW2? Well I already have unless you have a short memory and/or are blind

Yeah you were banging on about the possibility of thousands of US Marines
being killed if they launched a land based attack, hardly justification for wiping out two cities.