85MB home plugs (twin pack)

lensman

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/150039
For those of you who don't know what these are for look here
& same spec item here from expansys.ie

jayteecork

Don't even know what they do but you'll be charged an extra £7.50 P&P AFAIK.

Johnboy1951

Besides the concerns about how well it might work ...... the speed of those at Up To 85Mb/s is just too slow for media distribution in HD ..... look to the Up To 200Mb/s devices .... a better chance of success with those I would reckon .....

Damien360

How do you get them delivered to Ireland. I tried to register on that site for the 200Meg version of those but it will only accept UK address.

Anyone with a workaround ?

Davy

Damien360 wrote: »

How do you get them delivered to Ireland. I tried to register on that site for the 200Meg version of those but it will only accept UK address.

Anyone with a workaround ?

google checkout works, you can use REP 123 as post code

NewHillel

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Besides the concerns about how well it might work ...... the speed of those at Up To 85Mb/s is just too slow for media distribution in HD ..... look to the Up To 200Mb/s devices .... a better chance of success with those I would reckon .....

Not really, these should work grand - in most cases the speed the offer is equal, or above the broadband speed. A typical HD channel will be around 10Mb/s so this will carry two, or three, with ease. Well worth a punt.

Vertakill

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Besides the concerns about how well it might work ...... the speed of those at Up To 85Mb/s is just too slow for media distribution in HD ..... look to the Up To 200Mb/s devices .... a better chance of success with those I would reckon .....

Considering I can stream 720p on a 54mbps wireless with good signal quality, I think you're statement is incredibly incorrect.

However, 1080p is a different story.

lensman

Davy wrote: »

google checkout works, you can use REP 123 as post code

I use ebuyers own checkout with REP 123 as post code,..just fill in t
he full address as normal with your Dublin 8 or whatever post code you are & near the end enter REP 123, this is what they print on the address labels when I place an order with them.
Shipping Address:
Paul H******
5, ******** ********** *********
Dublin 7
DUBLIN 7
UK REP 123

Dexterm99

Davy wrote: »

google checkout works, you can use REP 123 as post code

When registering, without spaces will only work - REP123

chepejohn

Good price but spend that extra few yoyo and get yourself some 200 Mbps homeplugs they will cover all your needs Xbox/Streaming/Dreambox/Azbox whatever your needs

Johnboy1951

Vertakill wrote: »

Considering I can stream 720p on a 54mbps wireless with good signal quality, I think you're statement is incredibly incorrect.

However, 1080p is a different story.

I accept that my statement "is just too slow" is too definite. Thus not necessarily correct.
I was considering at the time, that such devices have not been capable of continuous throughput at their rated speed. IIRC one could expect some 60% of rated speed in practice. This of course may have changed in later years.

Such a LAN, which gets maximised from delivering video, is likely to interfere with other uses such as someone accessing internet content across the LAN. Headroom is vital in such situations, but of course they may not arise for some users.

RAW video, which almost no one uses in such situations, does show though, how heavy a load video can put on throughput. Here are some figures from Cisco .......

Format		Resolution 		      Bitrate 	Storage
QCIF 		176 x 144 @ 15 fps 		9 Mbps 	68 MB/min
CIF 		352 x 288 @ 30 fps 		73 Mbps 	548 MB/min
NTSC 		720 x 480 @ 30 fps 		249 Mbps 	1.9 GB/min
HDTV 	1920 x 1080 @ 30 fps 	1.5 Gbps 	1.1 TB/min

... and yes I do not consider 720p to be HD

Hopefully that is a better explanation of what I meant.
So, I would still consider the 200Mb/s product to be the much better option, unless a 'quick fix' is required.

regards.

chepejohn

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I accept that my statement "is just too slow" is too definite. Thus not necessarily correct.
I was considering at the time, that such devices have not been capable of continuous throughput at their rated speed. IIRC one could expect some 60% of rated speed in practice. This of course may have changed in later years.

Such a LAN, which gets maximised from delivering video, is likely to interfere with other uses such as someone accessing internet content across the LAN. Headroom is vital in such situations, but of course they may not arise for some users.

RAW video, which almost no one uses in such situations, does show though, how heavy a load video can put on throughput. Here are some figures from Cisco .......

Format        Resolution               Bitrate     Storage
QCIF         176 x 144 @ 15 fps         9 Mbps     68 MB/min
CIF         352 x 288 @ 30 fps         73 Mbps     548 MB/min
NTSC         720 x 480 @ 30 fps         249 Mbps     1.9 GB/min
HDTV     1920 x 1080 @ 30 fps     1.5 Gbps     1.1 TB/min

... and yes I do not consider 720p to be HD

Hopefully that is a better explanation of what I meant.
So, I would still consider the 200Mb/s product to be the much better option, unless a 'quick fix' is required.

regards.

\o/
nice one johnboy

Badgermonkey

lensman wrote: »

I use ebuyers own checkout with REP 123 as post code,..just fill in t
he full address as normal with your Dublin 8 or whatever post code you are & near the end enter REP 123, this is what they print on the address labels when I place an order with them.
Shipping Address:
Paul H******
5, ******** ********** *********
Dublin 7
DUBLIN 7
UK REP 123

I'm by no means a mad republican or chip on the shoulder nationalist but that sort of thing annoys me.

I use google checkout on ebuyer as their own system is cumbersome to set up your address and I don't live in the UK.

On reflection, strike the above, given our failure of governance since 1922 if we apologise for the messy breakup do you think they'll take us back?

chepejohn

given our failure of governance since 1922

and that was some bargin alert for certain in individuals,,:rolleyes:

and im sorry for being off topic ...so back to bargin alerts then

JabbaTheHut

Was going to buy a Media Player that can stream through a LAN from my PC. Will these work for that job, or are they only any good for connecting to a modem or router? I presume they will, but I don't want to buy them and then find out the LAN port on the PC to Media Player is not workable

vibe666

Vertakill wrote: »

Considering I can stream 720p on a 54mbps wireless with good signal quality, I think you're statement is incredibly incorrect.

it might be if you could get anything like 85mbps out of an 85mbps homeplug but you can't, so it's not.

to be able to comfortably stream 720p video you will want a sustained transfer speed of 20mbps. you *might* get that over wireless if you're lucky, but if you're using 85mbps homeplugs you won't get anything near that unless you're in the same room and moving between rooms or even different electrical circuits you're going to be in trouble as you likely won't get any more than 10mbps out of them unless you have very good internal wiring in your house and very little interference.

i bought a pair of 85mbps homeplugs a while ago to stream from my nas upstairs to my tv downstairs as i was not able to get enough bandwidth wirelessly (due to too many neighbours crowding the bandwidth), but they worked out considerably worse than wireless due to several factors in my house. the best speed I ever got out of them was 6mbps, but it was going from between 2-4mbps most of the time.

i think my biggest problem was just poor quality wiring in the house, but i took a big hit on speed as it was crossing a circuit going from downstairs to upstairs (i.e. the downstairs and upstairs plug sockets are on different fuses) AND i have CFL "energy saver" bulbs throughout the house which are also known to cause a lot of interference.

a best case scenario for 200mbps homeplugs is a sustained transfer rate of 60mbps+ with it unlikely to be any faster than that unless you are very lucky.

i could be tempted to get the 200mbps ones now at the price ebuyer have them:: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/160665 for another room in the house with no wired access to use with XBMC, but i ended up running a cable outside the house and along the guttering from my router to a switch upstairs in the end so i have gigabit between the HTPC and my NAS now so there's no need there any more.

Barr

Would I be right in thinking that 85mbps would be sufficient as it is unlikely to even come close to that speed under normal operating conditions ?

Damien360

Just got the 200Mbps version delivered today. 35 sterling plus 10 shipping to Ireland. Used google checkout to get them. They are working nicely and I would recommend them to anyone. My prime reason is for xbox360 and PS3 online. Worked straight out of the box. Have'nt bothered with streaming as I have an external 500Gb drive to hold my movies.

vibe666

Barr wrote: »

Would I be right in thinking that 85mbps would be sufficient as it is unlikely to even come close to that speed under normal operating conditions ?

sufficient for what? assuming you don't use a lot of CFL bulbs or plan on crossing to a different electrical circuit (see my previous post) you'll *probably* get up to around 10-15mbps sustained transfer out of 85mbps homeplugs so if that's more than you need then yes, they would be sufficient. anything more than that and you'll need 200mbps homeplugs.

Dexterm99

I have two Speedplug 85mbps and was wondering if these are compatible with them?

vibe666

Dexterm99 wrote: »

I have two Speedplug 85mbps and was wondering if these are compatible with them?

you'd have to check what models you have and then visit the websites for the manufacturers as not all homeplug type devices are compatible with each other.

pissed

I am using a pair of the BT Comtrend 200mb ones and they work fine. Was looking to add another one or possibly two anyone know which other models are compatible with them?

vibe666

pissed wrote: »

I am using a pair of the BT Comtrend 200mb ones and they work fine. Was looking to add another one or possibly two anyone know which other models are compatible with them?

yep.

vibe666 wrote: »

you'd have to check what models you have and then visit the websites for the manufacturers as not all homeplug type devices are compatible with each other.

_Kaiser_

I got 4 of the 200mb value ones (came to about €96 all-in) and they are working great - have the pc upstairs, the router downstairs and 2 WDTV lives all working perfectly through them

Svetti Arss

This are available again today from ebuyer for £24.98 + shipping.

richardw001

JabbaTheHut wrote: »

Was going to buy a Media Player that can stream through a LAN from my PC. Will these work for that job, or are they only any good for connecting to a modem or router? I presume they will, but I don't want to buy them and then find out the LAN port on the PC to Media Player is not workable

I have them and use them for video from a nas to two media servers. (have four of these exact ones)
They work fine for reading mkvs,avis and vob files over the network.

Only drawback with them is the size - as when they are plugged in they make it hard to plug things into an adjacent socket.
An regular double adapter gets around this.

Superfin

How does one get around the ''not a valid postcode'' issue?

Svetti Arss

Superfin wrote: »

How does one get around the ''not a valid postcode'' issue?

Search this thread..

Superfin

Svetti Arss wrote: »

Search this thread..

Doh!

Ordered, thanks.

Kristopherus

the best site I found was www faculty-x.net. Great range & you can ask them a question. They will come back to you next day. Got a pair of 85mbs for £25 last October and am very happy with them. Hav internet in all rooms now and I have to say this method of distribution is much better than wireless.

bmaxi

Are these homeplugs interchangeable, i.e. will any brand 85mbps work with any other brand 85mbps?

wil

Kristopherus wrote: »

the best site I found was www faculty-x.net. .

Hey K
That site looks good, but delivery seems to be UK, Jersey, Guernsey only.
Did you get delivery to Eire?

If I could get 2.95 delivery on faculty-x then a pair of 200Mbps TP-link would be £48.49 compared to pair of Belkin 200Mbps on ebuyer for £50 delivered.

Kristopherus

bmaxi wrote: »

Are these homeplugs interchangeable, i.e. will any brand 85mbps work with any other brand 85mbps?

Yes, you can mix and match. I asked on the Faculty-X site before I bought from them.

BarryM

I can confirm that your circuitry is critical. They work best on the same ring main and don't use any kind of extension or multiply. IMO, best is Delovo, German ones, pricier, but they have a plug socket built in, ensures clean start point. B

bmaxi

BarryM wrote: »

I can confirm that your circuitry is critical. They work best on the same ring main and don't use any kind of extension or multiply. IMO, best is Delovo, German ones, pricier, but they have a plug socket built in, ensures clean start point. B

I use them with extension leads, never had any problem.

Peter B

bmaxi wrote: »

I use them with extension leads, never had any problem.

Me too

Jax Teller

Ordered 2 of these today as my ps3 wireless connection isn't great so hopefully this will work for me . Seems handy enough to set up too

BarryM

Good fer Yiz. Must have good wiring. Btw have you the device on an extension? Isaac just suggesting best option.

Peter B wrote: »

Me too

bmaxi

BarryM wrote: »

Good fer Yiz. Must have good wiring. Btw have you the device on an extension? Isaac just suggesting best option.

Yes, both the homeplug and an internet radio on extension lead.

vibe666

there's a few things that will affect the speed of homeplugs.

changing to a different ringmain/circuit (i.e. plug sockets that are on a different fuse in your fusebox, such as upstairs & downstairs), cheap CFL lightbulbs which are known to cause a lot of cumulative interference (i.e. the more of them you have, the worse it will be), the distance apart of the homeplugs, the quality of your internal wiring and the use of extension leads.

obviously, the more of the above isuses you have, the slower your homeplug connection is going to be. unfortunately for me, i tick almost all of them and the result was, i was getting between 2-4mbps with 85mbps homeplugs, so i gave up on them and just ran ethernet cable through the walls and outside my house and have never had any issues since.

bmaxi

vibe666 wrote: »

there's a few things that will affect the speed of homeplugs.

changing to a different ringmain/circuit (i.e. plug sockets that are on a different fuse in your fusebox, such as upstairs & downstairs), cheap CFL lightbulbs which are known to cause a lot of cumulative interference (i.e. the more of them you have, the worse it will be), the distance apart of the homeplugs, the quality of your internal wiring and the use of extension leads.

obviously, the more of the above isuses you have, the slower your homeplug connection is going to be. unfortunately for me, i tick almost all of them and the result was, i was getting between 2-4mbps with 85mbps homeplugs, so i gave up on them and just ran ethernet cable through the walls and outside my house and have never had any issues since.

Maybe I'm the exception that proves the rule but, with the exception of the quality of the wiring, I would tick all the boxes in your example

Agent67

Do these work with eircom, have 8mb broadband with netgear black box, do I need to buy a specific one. Thanks

achiman

Agent67 wrote: »

Do these work with eircom, have 8mb broadband with netgear black box, do I need to buy a specific one. Thanks

yes these will work fine, I have 4 of the 200mbps adaptors on my network and they work fine, but i can tell you it is a bit of a squeeze with a double socket as they are 72mm wide

vibe666

bmaxi wrote: »

Maybe I'm the exception that proves the rule but, with the exception of the quality of the wiring, I would tick all the boxes in your example

what speeds do you get and which homeplugs did you buy?

i just couldn't get decent speeds out of the ones i got with where i wanted to get the signal to/from.

overturn

Does anybody know if I buy four plugs (i.e. two packs of two) will they work as one network? That is one input and three outputs, sorry for my not very technical question.

Monotype

Yes, if they're the same kind and speed, you should be OK.

bmaxi

vibe666 wrote: »

what speeds do you get and which homeplugs did you buy?

i just couldn't get decent speeds out of the ones i got with where i wanted to get the signal to/from.

I don't know what make they are it doesn't say,they look very like the ones in the link. I only use them for internet radio and surfing the web so speed wouldn't be that critical

vibe666

mine worked fine too, they just weren't very quick and i had planned on using them to stream video from my NAS upstairs to my HTPC downstairs and they just didn't cut the mustard, so i ended up running an ethernet cable outside instead, problem solved.

Jax Teller

got them to work just not doing what i had hoped , if anybody is looking to buy one of these pm me first

randombar

which type are you talking about and how many do you have?

vibe666

vibe666 wrote: »

mine worked fine too, they just weren't very quick and i had planned on using them to stream video from my NAS upstairs to my HTPC downstairs and they just didn't cut the mustard, so i ended up running an ethernet cable outside instead, problem solved.

You weren't using them with one of those multi socket adaptors were you? Apparently these cause a lot of interference.