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South Tipp General election thread

  • 25-11-2010 9:51pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,387 ✭✭✭


    With the election looming, here's a thread to discussion how people feel the next general election might pan out.

    I see Tom Hayes as being a shoo in and I thiink Mattie McGrath has proven himself enough with his local politics and his disagreements with Biffo but Martin Manseragh is a goner so who's out there to take his place?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭UpTheSlashers


    I cant see McGrath running under FF this time around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,387 ✭✭✭EKRIUQ


    No matter what people say theres a big core FF vote in south tipp and they have to vote some where so I can't see McGrath leaving FF


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭cml387


    Are you,like me,imagining the things you'll say when FF people come to the door?

    And then,when the time comes,just giving a non commital grunt when you see them in the flesh.

    In a small way I feel sorry for them (i.e. FF canvassers) and what they're going to face.

    Martin Manseragh called to us last time,Although he was talking away, I kept looking at his somewhat frayed shirt and wondering why he couldn't have a bought a new one for doorstepping purposes.

    Seamus Healy should do well I'd guess.

    I'd give Manseragh a preference above McGrath only because Mattie would like to be associated with FF in the good times and now when the going gets tough jumps ship.
    And remember,it was over stag hunting he lost the whip (mixed metaphor alert) and not anything to do with the economy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    cml387 wrote: »
    Are you,like me,imagining the things you'll say when FF people come to the door?

    And then,when the time comes,just giving a non commital grunt when you see them in the flesh.

    I am looking forward to FF coming. I'll tell them exactly what I think of them, and I will particularly take pleasure in telling Mattie McGrath that he is a parish pump politician who hasn't a fraction of the intelligence or education necessary to legislate on what's coming down the line. Although Mansergh does have the intelligence and education, his unswavering loyalty to FF means he'll get no vote from me.

    I think Tom Hayes is a very low calibre politician. But I want Varadkar, Shatter, Noonan and Bruton in ministerial seats, so he'll get my no. 1.

    I'm not sure about my second preference, but it won't be going to an Independent and the candidate in question will have to be well educated whoever he/she is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,565 ✭✭✭Dymo


    Here's who ran last time out.

    136510.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,617 ✭✭✭Cat Melodeon


    Dymo wrote: »
    Here's who ran last time out.

    136510.jpg

    Dymo, any chance you could post the last election's results for N. Tipp on the N. Tipp election thread, or give us a link?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭cml387




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭tippspur


    EKRIUQ wrote: »
    No matter what people say theres a big core FF vote in south tipp and they have to vote some where so I can't see McGrath leaving FF
    There is a big core FF vote in Donegal aswell and look where it got them in the by election, down from 50% in the last election to 21% this time.even FF voters are sick of the crap government we have now.:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭tippspur


    I wouldn't be surprised if two faced Mattie deserted the sinking ship and went Independant in the next election.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭julyjane


    FG are running a 2nd candidate in the upcoming election - Tom Hayes TD and Clonmel councillor Michael Murphy. What are their chances of both getting in?

    Healy is not running as an independent but in a new party called "United Left"
    http://www.joehiggins.eu/2010/11/press-statement-united-left-alliance-announces-general-election-challenge-today/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭cml387


    If the Newcastle boy does jump ship and run independent,then FF will get to run their original choice as number 2 to Mansergh,i.e Siobhan Ambrose.

    She's very easy on the eye and has FF pedigree.

    I can't see Seamus Healy not getting a seat.

    If Mattie votes for the budget,he'll run as FF and might just make it.

    No way will FG get two seats,just can't see it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭julyjane


    Mattie McGrath is on Tipp FM now and was introduced by Séamus Martin as "Independent TD Mattie McGrath"

    His facebook page says he's a Fianna Fáil TD

    Phil Prendergast confirmed to run for Labour again, wonder what her chances are. She'll need a massive improvement on 2007, hard to see her being elected but maybe the few years in the Seanad will have improved her popularity?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    cml387 wrote: »
    If the Newcastle boy does jump ship and run independent,then FF will get to run their original choice as number 2 to Mansergh,i.e Siobhan Ambrose.

    She's very easy on the eye and has FF pedigree.

    I can't see Seamus Healy not getting a seat.

    If Mattie votes for the budget,he'll run as FF and might just make it.

    No way will FG get two seats,just can't see it

    i dont care if FF has Brazilian bikini models running for them. they have ruined this country and dont deserve another vote.
    i live in a small parish and Tom Hayes has lobbied for broadband which is crucial to the likes of our local co-op and perhaps open up ar the greater area to other potential investment. He has also called for the current farce with the water supply to be sorted amongst a lot of other things while at the same time looking after the people who voted him on an individual basis. I think tom would handle a ministerial role the finest. Seamus Healy done a lot of good work before he bizarrely lost his seat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭cml387


    i dont care if FF has Brazilian bikini models running for them. they have ruined this country and dont deserve another vote.
    i live in a small parish and Tom Hayes has lobbied for broadband which is crucial to the likes of our local co-op and perhaps open up ar the greater area to other potential investment. He has also called for the current farce with the water supply to be sorted amongst a lot of other things while at the same time looking after the people who voted him on an individual basis. I think tom would handle a ministerial role the finest. Seamus Healy done a lot of good work before he bizarrely lost his seat.

    I happen to agree with you TG.I was predicting what FF might do if Mattie runs independent.
    I've always been a bit wary of Seamus Healy's politics on the National Question,but I know he does a lot of good work on the ground in Clonmel


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    He has also called for the current farce with the water supply to be sorted amongst a lot of other things while at the same time looking after the people who voted him on an individual basis.

    That's clientelism though. It's parish pump stuff. Now, I don't blame Tom - I blame the system. I will vote for him and the other FG candidate simply because I really want a change of government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭cml387


    Furet wrote: »
    That's clientelism though. It's parish pump stuff. Now, I don't blame Tom - I blame the system. I will vote for him and the other FG candidate simply because I really want a change of government.

    "All politics is local".Tip O'Neill


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    cml387 wrote: »
    "All politics is local".Tip O'Neill

    Only in a defective system. Our problems are national and must be solved nationally. The Dail should be composed of legislators steeped in national issues. We need to amalgamate the local authorities and give them more power. It should be made law that when a constituent contacts a TD to ask about a medical card or pothole, the TD says, "I'm sorry, I must refer you to the citizen's information office (for the medical card query) or the local authority (for the pothole complaint). Failure to do this is partly why our country is smashed on the rocks right now - unqualified politicians concentrating on local rather than major national issues such as law reform, international affairs, EU policy, financial and economic issues, energy requirements and the like. Until we as an electorate vote with these things in mind, we'll continue to get bad governance.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Furet wrote: »
    That's clientelism though. It's parish pump stuff. Now, I don't blame Tom - I blame the system. I will vote for him and the other FG candidate simply because I really want a change of government.

    He is also the deputy spokesperson for transport so he has a lot of influence within the party. He is a front-bencher if they get into government.

    i agree to a certain degree what you are saying about parish pump and the likes of biffo and healy rae will retain their seats because the irish people suffer from chronic myopia and cant see the greater issues but i also believe a td has to find the balance between local and national. Sometimes there are greater issues which wont be solved at local level as they have limited resources.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭cml387


    Furet wrote: »
    Only in a defective system. Our problems are national and must be solved nationally. The Dail should be composed of legislators steeped in national issues. We need to amalgamate the local authorities and give them more power. It should be made law that when a constituent contacts a TD to ask about a medical card or pothole, the TD says, "I'm sorry, I must refer you to the citizen's information office (for the medical card query) or the local authority (for the pothole complaint). Failure to do this is partly why our country is smashed on the rocks right now - unqualified politicians concentrating on local rather than major national issues such as law reform, international affairs, EU policy, financial and economic issues, energy requirements and the like. Until we as an electorate vote with these things in mind, we'll continue to get bad governance.

    At the risk of sidelining the thread,I also agree with you.
    I think the main improvement would be a list sytem to allow a group of TD's to be apponted by the parties themselves based on there vote share.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Redr


    Local politics has killed real politics in Ireland. If the worthiest person in Ireland - lets say John Hume - was to run as a FF candidate no-one should vote for him. Yes even he attends your mother's funeral, has a quiet word in the matron's ear for your daughter the nurse who needs a job, will intercede in the row about the tree on council property that is blocking your light, or will use his influence to get you planning permission - aaaaaarrrrrrrgh! This crap has caused the problem!!

    One should not vote for FF!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭cml387


    I have recently reread "Letter Of A Succesful TD" by JB Keane

    Although it was written over forty years ago it still is a completely accurate summary of how politics works in Ireland.

    Tull Mc Adoo TD is writing to his daughter..

    "As you know,the new housing scheme for Kilnavarna is long overdue and it looks like as if the county wouldn't be able to afford it for many a year.McFillen knows how I can get 25 pre-fabricated houses at 250 a house.That's 6250.
    A pal of his will be importing fifty of them from Europe and I can have 25.I'll probably get a friend of mine here in Dublin to buy them and I can see nothing to prevent me from flogging them to the county for four or maybe five hundred apiece.
    In the name of the sainted mother of God,destroy this letter! Because if wind of this move got out,I was finished...............
    ...However,we are the men who freed this country and are entitled to certain considerations."


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Here's where the problem may lie. An unemployed person from South Tipperary may have their local SW office in Kilkenny.

    So if they needed a Councillor to canvas on their behalf for lets say BTEA or rent supplement, that office is then outside the Councillor's jurisdiction so the next step is a TD.

    SW or HSE are both more or less national bodies and in fairness people need some sort of representation in making a case to these bodies so perhaps these national bodies need to be streamlined into county council areas.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭WildOscar


    SW or HSE are both more or less national bodies and in fairness people need some sort of representation in making a case to these bodies so perhaps these national bodies need to be streamlined into county council areas.
    nonsense dealt with both never needed a TD or councillor.people should learn to do things for themselves instead of giving away their power to crooks which all politicians are to one degree or another


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    WildOscar wrote: »
    nonsense dealt with both never needed a TD or councillor.people should learn to do things for themselves instead of giving away their power to crooks which all politicians are to one degree or another

    Ah now there is rare occasions. Your only talking from your own experience in fairness. :)

    EDIT: i will add that in cases these departments, bodies and authorities are full of faceless jobsworths and gobsh*tes that are drunk on power and you need a representative that knows what make these people tick


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    Furet wrote: »
    . Our problems are national and must be solved nationally. The Dail should be composed of legislators steeped in national issues. right now - unqualified politicians concentrating on local rather thanWe need to amalgamate the local authorities and give them more power. It should be made law that when a constituent contacts a TD to ask about a medical card or pothole, the TD says, "I'm sorry, I must refer you to the citizen's information office (for the medical card query) or the local authority (for the pothole complaint). Failure to do this is partly why our country is smashed on the rocks major national issues such as law reform, international affairs, EU policy, financial and economic issues, energy requirements and the like. Until we as an electorate vote with these things in mind, we'll continue to get bad governance.

    I couldnt agree more.


    Regardless of this unfortuantly the electorate of the entire country wont vote on national issue but rather local issues.

    Anyway in south tipp, Hayes and Mcgrath will get back in no bother at all.:rolleyes:

    Imho the third, and only seat really up for grabs, is between Seamus Healy(united left/wuag) aka anit-establishment and the clonmel based FGer Michael Murphy. I really cant see Prendergast getting in nor the other FF Ambrose.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭WildOscar


    Ah now there is rare occasions. Your only talking from your own experience in fairness. :)

    EDIT: i will add that in cases these departments, bodies and authorities are full of faceless jobsworths and gobsh*tes that are drunk on power and you need a representative that knows what make these people tick
    yes they are gob****es but i have never needed a td to deal with them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭WildOscar


    Originally Posted by Furet viewpost.gif
    . It should be made law that when a constituent contacts a TD to ask about a medical card or pothole, the TD says, "I'm sorry, I must refer you to the citizen's information office (for the medical card query) or the local authority (for the pothole complaint).
    td would not want that cos they like to give the impression only they can get you a med card/deal with potholes. did both no td. it is a way of keeping people dependent on them so they will vote them into their over paid jobs.A bit like the gombeen radio presenters who give the impression only they can solve problems


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭JabbaTheHut


    Was talking to the brother today, and he reckons Prendergast will never make it cause he reckons she's hated in Clonmel. Now I don't know the woman at all, but if his assessment of her popularity is accurate within reason, it doesn't bode well for her.

    I Jaysus really hope that that yes-man Mansergh, doesn't make it. After his total blind defense of Ahern (I refuse to call that traitor by his first name), he's proven he's for party first, county second.

    McGrath I could see make it, but donno about him managing it on the FF ticket. Him jumping that sinking ship is a very good possibility.

    Tom Hayes *should* make it. A second FG seat would be a hard call though.

    I could see Seamus Healy in alright. Even though an Independant probably finds it harder that a party candidate to win.

    But it's those Greens..................
    It's Goodbye to them. If they do any better than the PD's in the last election I'd be amazed. They were the lap-dog for this government.

    Btw, is there any Shinners going this time?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭WildOscar


    Was talking to the brother today, and he reckons Prendergast will never make it cause he reckons she's hated in Clonmel. Now I don't know the woman at all, but if his assessment of her popularity is accurate within reason, it doesn't bode well for her.
    I don't thnk she is hated by everyone. healy's followers hate her cos they say she used Healy to get a start in politics and seat on council and then jumped ship as did dopey darren. they say she has a lot of followers but maybe not enough to get a dail seat, not that i would vote for her


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 The Nightwatchman


    julyjane wrote: »
    Mattie McGrath is on Tipp FM now and was introduced by Séamus Martin as "Independent TD Mattie McGrath"

    His facebook page says he's a Fianna Fáil TD

    Phil Prendergast confirmed to run for Labour again, wonder what her chances are. She'll need a massive improvement on 2007, hard to see her being elected but maybe the few years in the Seanad will have improved her popularity?

    I'll give her Number One because she's the only one who has actually done anything. While Healy has everyone marching up and down to save our hospital she actually made a feck of Harney over St Michaels and has so far kept it open. Healy is Doctor No. Whatever the question, the answer's no. Ever heard a proposal from this multi-pensioned feeder off discontent? Me neither. SF ditto. The only people who will benefit from left-wing radicalism is the few who get elected. Their voters meanwhile will have even bigger cuts in their dole because no-one would lend to Ireland if these crackpots had any power.

    Mattie is trying to get everyone's vote. He won't desert FF because he wants their vote, he only voted against the Government in support of RISE - another vote pitch there. And when I heard him on the Late Debate a few weeks ago his policies were mainly FG with a bit of SF and Labour thrown in. A week later he said he had prepared his own Budget. Mattie didn't publish it though. He'd more sense than show us the product of what he is pleased to call his mind. After Kackie Healy-Rae he is the country's number 1 gombeen politician, he has embarrassed our county and he'll get nothing from me.

    Tom Hayes? Heard of him but not actually heard him say anything. The Quiet Man. Mansergh - daft as a brush and not interested in the country only FF.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭UpTheSlashers


    Prendergast would be most likely to get my number one, not necessarily by her own brilliance, but that shes up against a shower of wasters (and I dont just mean FF). In fairness to her though her intentions are good, shes a true woman of the people and she deserves to be elected.
    Mattie is trying to get everyone's vote. He won't desert FF because he wants their vote, he only voted against the Government in support of RISE - another vote pitch there.

    I was sure hes declared himself to be running independently in the next election?

    Someone alluded earlier on in the thread that hed stick with them and benefit from the hardcore FF strongholds. I dont believe hell go down that line. The tribalism attitude in Newcastle and the surrounding Bally-go-backwards areas will be enough to get him through.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭WildOscar


    I'll give her Number One because she's the only one who has actually done anything. While Healy has everyone marching up and down to save our hospital she actually made a feck of Harney over St Michaels and has so far kept it open. .
    can you provide evidence it was prendergast alone that kept michaels open. I doubt it.How did she make a feck of harney?
    Healys march did a lot not that iw ould vote for him either but i don't think she kept michaels open on her own. if she did she can stop celebrating as it will close anyway


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 The Nightwatchman


    She made a feck of Moloney, sorry. I know people at the hospital. Apparently, when the closure of St Michael's was announced it shocked everyone. They knew it was under threat but no-one knew the plans were that far advanced. When Prendergast asked Moloney when he knew about the closure he dodged the question for months until he finally admitted he knew nothing about the plan and nobody told him it was going to close. Suddenly there was an internal investigation into who was up to what in the HSE. The report was given to the Minister but he won't publish it. But he hasn't closed the hospital either. It was supposed to shut last month.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭WildOscar


    She made a feck of Moloney, sorry. I know people at the hospital. Apparently, when the closure of St Michael's was announced it shocked everyone. They knew it was under threat but no-one knew the plans were that far advanced. When Prendergast asked Moloney when he knew about the closure he dodged the question for months until he finally admitted he knew nothing about the plan and nobody told him it was going to close. Suddenly there was an internal investigation into who was up to what in the HSE. The report was given to the Minister but he won't publish it. But he hasn't closed the hospital either. It was supposed to shut last month.
    it will likely close and if not no way is it all down to prendergast.
    The report was given to the Minister but he won't publish it
    FOI


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭DT100


    Why is there not more of an outcry about the closure of ST.Michaels unit.Reading the Nationalist a couple of weeks ago,there was reports that it will go in the next year,yet I dont hear much on our local radio.We had a big march about South Tipp general hospital,and I suppose ST.Michaels would be part of that,but there doesnt seem to be the same will to keep this section open...maybe I am wrong?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,387 ✭✭✭EKRIUQ


    Saw a couple of Seamus Healy posters up today. I don't have much confidence in him, he had he's chance but there is one seat up for grabs I think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭WildOscar


    EKRIUQ wrote: »
    Saw a couple of Seamus Healy posters up today. I don't have much confidence in him, he had he's chance but there is one seat up for grabs I think.
    better than prendergast anyway who used him to get in then abandoned ship ditto darren muppet


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Will there be a second Fine Gael candidate?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭JabbaTheHut


    I'm guessing more than likely. FF are going to take a hammerimng all over so FG would try to capilalise on that as much as possible. Tom Hayes is probably safe, so it's probably worth FG's while to have a second candidate here too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭archtech


    Michael Murphy is the second FG candidate as far as I know.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,565 ✭✭✭Dymo


    archtech wrote: »
    Michael Murphy is the second FG candidate as far as I know.

    Probably looking for the Clonmel vote and Tom Hayes should get a lot of the Cashel vote. The way I call it at the moment it will be Tom Hayes, Mattie McGrath and then the third place is up for grabs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭cml387


    I would be quite simply astonished if Seamus Healy is not returned (and I am not a supporter).
    With FG getting the second seat I think Mattie might sneak third.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,589 ✭✭✭touts


    EKRIUQ wrote: »
    Saw a couple of Seamus Healy posters up today. I don't have much confidence in him, he had he's chance but there is one seat up for grabs I think.

    How is Healy getting away with that. There is a national ban on election posters outside the declared election period. As I recall there is a big fine per poster. Healy must either have money to burn or someone isnt enforcing the law.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Thanks, just found Michael Murphy's site here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭cml387


    So Mattie is jumping ship officially.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0125/treacyn.html


    I'd have more respect for someone who,being FF all their life,stuck with them through thick and thin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭Reginald P. DuM


    If Mattie gets up, may the entire constituency hang their heads in shame.. Think we all should be able to see through him at this stage..

    My prediction is Hayes, Healy and either Murphy or yer wan from Operation Transformation! If she gets in we shouldnt be too proud either!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,565 ✭✭✭Dymo


    cml387 wrote: »
    So Mattie is jumping ship officially.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0125/treacyn.html


    I'd have more respect for someone who,being FF all their life,stuck with them through thick and thin.

    Saves him having to put up with all the FF stick he's get at the door step and I think he has a better chance of getting in. He wasn't going to get any vote from me if he was FF, now I'll will give him a vote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭tippspur


    tippspur wrote: »
    I wouldn't be surprised if two faced Mattie deserted the sinking ship and went Independant in the next election.
    Exactly as I said in the first page of this thread,no surprise really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 Carrickbhoy


    Dymo wrote: »
    Saves him having to put up with all the FF stick he's get at the door step and I think he has a better chance of getting in. He wasn't going to get any vote from me if he was FF, now I'll will give him a vote.

    He does not have a hope of getting in he is an embarrassment to the people of South Tipp. Mattie, Healy-Rae and Lowry should all be shot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭julyjane


    Have FF decided who they are running? If Mansergh runs again I think it goes without saying that he hasn't got a hope in hell so they'll surely run another candidate.


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