Nigel Farage calls for end of Euro; criticizes destruction of democracy

Dannyboy83

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KAWXC5Z0wU

Nigel Farage criticise the destruction of democratic rights in Ireland
Warns of consequences of Nationalism/Despair
Hopes for end of the EMU

Interesting video.
I'm not sure he is raising any new points, but I've never seen such a high level person say it, nor say it to the high level people.

meglome

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

Nigel Farage criticise the destruction of democratic rights
Warns of consequences of Nationalism/Despair
Hopes for end of the EMU

Interesting video.
I'm not sure he is raising any new points, but I've never seen such a high level person say it, nor say it to the high level people.

I'll give the video a watch but honestly I'd almost believe Cowan over Nigel Farage.

Dannyboy83

I wouldn't.

Rumour tonight is that the EU are looking for collateral
And the interest rate for the bailout is 6%, which is a guaranteed default.


I've always been pro-eu, but this is not looking good.

Corsendonk

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

I wouldn't.

Rumour tonight is that the EU are looking for collateral
And the interest rate for the bailout is 6%, which is a guaranteed default.


I've always been pro-eu, but this is not looking good.

Yeap that word again rumour, I prefer facts myself. The lowest quoted interest rate from the bonds markets last week for Ireland was 8% and if your rumour is correct the EU wants 6%. Did you really expect they were going to give us the money and not demand interest?

kaiser sauze

Corsendonk wrote: »

Yeap that word again rumour, I prefer facts myself. The lowest quoted interest rate from the bonds markets last week for Ireland was 8% and if your rumour is correct the EU wants 6%. Did you really expect they were going to give us the money and not demand interest?

For fecks sake! That's not what he meant.

The are entitled to expect some interest, but if they are going to set a rate like that, why bother? We are approaching them because we expect to get more favourable terms from them, is only 2-3% less than the bond markets really helping us out?

Realistically, we need an interest free overdraft, but that is never going to happen. Even the Greek rate (5%) is probably not manageable either. If they do set an exorbitant rate like this, Morgan Kelly will have been proved right once again.

nesf

Eh, Nigel Farage isn't high level...

Possibly the highest a troll has gotten in the political system though..

robbyvibes

Corsendonk wrote: »

Yeap that word again rumour, I prefer facts myself. The lowest quoted interest rate from the bonds markets last week for Ireland was 8% and if your rumour is correct the EU wants 6%. Did you really expect they were going to give us the money and not demand interest?

"solidarity" from the EU? :rolleyes:

It doesn't matter at this point how much ireland gets, it wont be enough to fix the banks mess.

But why should banks care? they're not the ones paying for it...

Dipsy

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KAWXC5Z0wU
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Nigel Farage criticise the destruction of democratic rights in Ireland
Warns of consequences of Nationalism/Despair
Hopes for end of the EMU

Interesting video.
I'm not sure he is raising any new points, but I've never seen such a high level person say it, nor say it to the high level people.

Thanks for posting, I seen it last night.

Personally I think Nigel is spot on, he has spirit and the balls to stand up to the rest of the criminals in the EU. He stood up for Ireland during the Lisbon Treaty fiasco and we can see now he was 100% right!!!!

He is never afraid to speak his mind over there and I applaud him for that!!

Kudos Nigel, you are doing more than our lot!!!

meglome

Dipsy wrote: »

Thanks for posting, I seen it last night.

Personally I think Nigel is spot on, he has spirit and the balls to stand up to the rest of the criminals in the EU. He stood up for Ireland during the Lisbon Treaty fiasco and we can see now he was 100% right!!!!

He is never afraid to speak his mind over there and I applaud him for that!!

Kudos Nigel, you are doing more than our lot!!!

Pretty please can people stop bringing the Lisbon treaty into this. It has nothing to do with where we're at. The seeds of what has happened here were sown years before the Lisbon treaty.

It's showing anti-EU bias and little else.

Dipsy

meglome wrote: »

Pretty please can people stop bringing the Lisbon treaty into this. It has nothing to do with where we're at. The seeds of what has happened here were sown years before the Lisbon treaty.

It's showing anti-EU bias and little else.

Completley agree with you!! This whole thing has been orchestrated years in advance!!

I was merely pointing out that he put himself out there for Ireland during the Lisbon treaty too which is more than our own are doing.

meglome

Dipsy wrote: »

I was merely pointing out that he put himself out there for Ireland during the Lisbon treaty too which is more than our own are doing.

And what I'm saying is during the Lisbon treaty debate he told a pack of lies. So why should I believe him now?

A comment from youtube on that video...

These governments including ours here in the US have all been infiltrated using Fabian tactics by the Zionist Jews to intentionally bring down any sovereign nation. Their goal is to destroy the existing nation states any way possible and form a one world government with the UN & NATO controlling everything. If this is allowed to continue then it will be a matter of time before we are all tagged with RFID & the unlucky ones (the Goyum) will be sent to the camps for extermination

If that's who his supporters are you've got to wonder.

Dipsy

meglome wrote: »

And what I'm saying is during the Lisbon treaty debate he told a pack of lies. So why should I believe him now?

I genuinely dont recall any of the lies he told Perhaps you can remind me, refresh my memory??

reprazant

The leader of an anti-Europe party calls for the end of the Euro, and goes on an anti-EU rant and people say he he is telling the truth? As if he is now saying something that he hasn't been saying from the day he got there?

Are people now blaming the EU for our mess? Because I am pretty sure this is a homegrown mess of our own creation.

meglome

Dipsy wrote: »

I genuinely dont recall any of the lies he told Perhaps you can remind me, refresh my memory??

No problem

http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/truth-about-the-treaty.pdf

And I'll start you off...

From our Labour court

It has come to the Court’s attention that a leaflet being distributed by the UK Independence Party, in relation to the referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, contains a serious misrepresentation of a decision of the Labour Court in a case concerning the applicability of an Registered Employment Agreement to electrical contractors based outside this jurisdiction.

The leaflet implies that contractors from other member states are not bound by the terms of such regulations. It seeks to rely on a decision of the Labour Court as authority for that proposition. The Court made no such decision and in fact decided the opposite in the case to which the leaflet refers.

The leaflet contains what purports to be a quote from the decision in question (Determination No.REP091) which has been altered so as to totally change its import.

That case concerned a claim by certain employers in the electrical contracting industry that the Registered Agreement for that Industry should be cancelled on the grounds, inter alia, that EU law prevents its application to contractors based outside the State. Having reviewed the current state of national and Community law, and relevant decisions of the European Court of Justice, the Court concluded that statutory regulations and agreements on pay and conditions of employment, which are legally binding in Ireland, are applicable to and enforceable against all employers operating within this jurisdiction irrespective of their country of origin.

It is neither the practice nor the desire of the Labour Court to engage in public controversy in relation to its decisions. However in circumstances in which one of its decisions is being seriously misrepresented for political purposes the Court considers it to be its duty to put the record straight.

End

Kevin Duffy
Chairman

18th September 2009.

Note: The full text of Determination No. REP091 can be obtained on the Court’s web site Home . The relevant passages are to be found in Section 32, at paragraphs 32.1 to 32.12 inclusive

I could go through all the rubbish in the leaflet but I've better things to do.

kenneth5

It's a poor state of affairs when we have to rely on a right wing British MEP to stand up for us. Where are all the Irish MEP's and why aren't they going ape over Rehn trying to tell us what to do?

Dannyboy83

reprazant wrote: »

The leader of an anti-Europe party calls for the end of the Euro, and goes on an anti-EU rant and people say he he is telling the truth? As if he is now saying something that he hasn't been saying from the day he got there?

Are people now blaming the EU for our mess? Because I am pretty sure this is a homegrown mess of our own creation.

I'll quote this post:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69204881&postcount=32
Lenihan put this (bank) debt on to the taxpayers of this country.

Private debt became public debt.
Where the private debt came from was that Irish banks chose to borrow money from other banks.
Why that private debt was accumulated is of no interest to me.

I didn't incur that debt.
You didn't incur that debt.
But Lenihan has decided that you and I and every other taxpayer should repay that private debt.

Dannyboy83

Thanks KickOutTheJams for fixing my OP

reprazant

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

I'll quote this post:

And that shows how the EU has caused this mess?

Because all I see is how Lenihan has made one bad decision after another, after our banks, with the help of our regulator, borrowed and lent more then they could afford using massively over-priced property as security, which is now worthless.

PeterIanStaker

The govt of this country got us into this mess. Farage is just jumping on the bandwagon to get attention.

Fuhrer

This isnt Farage trying to help anyone out.

Its like if you're getting mugged and someone beats up the mugger because he hates black people, not to stop you being mugged.

whatstherush

Fuhrer wrote: »

This isnt Farage trying to help anyone out.

Its like if you're getting mugged and someone beats up the mugger because he hates black people, not to stop you being mugged.

+1 Great analogy

Dipsy

meglome wrote: »

No problem

http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/truth-about-the-treaty.pdf

And I'll start you off...

From our Labour court

I could go through all the rubbish in the leaflet but I've better things to do.

I will have to look into the one about the labour court as I am unfamiliar with it and would not like to post without knowing the ins and outs of it... ..

The leaflet however seems pretty sound to me Its all unfolding before our eyes! Nothing in there that has not happened or is not on the cards

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

The govt of this country got us into this mess. Farage is just jumping on the bandwagon to get attention.

The government have not helped the situtation that is true but this has been coming our way since the inception of the EU.

I think Farage loves the publicity too, I think he is great

It still takes balls to get up there and tell them crooks the truth. :cool:

meglome

Dipsy wrote: »

I will have to look into the one about the labour court as I am unfamiliar with it and would not like to post without knowing the ins and outs of it... ..

Do check but they are clearly saying UKIP (and Farage) are lying.

http://media.irelandforeurope.ie/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Labour-Court-Statement-UKIP.pdf

Dipsy wrote: »

The leaflet however seems pretty sound to me

Regarding Turkey joining the EU.

Scofflaw wrote: »

To reiterate for those who are under a misapprehension:

(1) Lisbon has nothing to do with Turkish accession - there is no cap on numbers in Nice, so accession will be just as possible with a No vote as a Yes vote, it makes no difference.

(2) Turkey has currently completed only 1 chapter of 35 chapters that need to be negotiated before entry, and 8 chapters are currently blocked by the issue of Cyprus, and cannot be negotiated at all.

(3) If Turkey does accede to the EU (and Germany and France would both prefer that it doesn't), it is not likely to happen before about 2023, and even then there's likely to be at least a decade of 'transition' before Turks would be allowed freedom of movement.

This is all still correct so they are wrong on Turkey as well.

Dipsy wrote: »

Its all unfolding before our eyes! Nothing in there that has not happened or is not on the cards

What exactly did he say during Lisbon that's unfolding?

Mister men

I've no idea who this guy is but almost everything he's say's is true.

jpb1974

Whether you agree with his point of view or not I have to say I do find him honest, ballsy, to the point, well spoken and articulate... things many of our politicians severely lack.

nesf

jpb1974 wrote: »

Whether you agree with his point of view or not I have to say I do find him honest, ballsy, to the point, well spoken and articulate... things many of our politicians severely lack.

It's extremely easy to be those things if your party has no hope of being in Power within 10 years (if ever). He can rant and rave to his heart's content and doesn't need to worry about upsetting people.

He is well spoken though, I'll give him that.

jpb1974

It's extremely easy to be those things if your party has no hope of being in Power within 10 years

And there lies the problem... too many of the politicians in power only ever want to say what's PC or tow in with the party line. It's far too often the case that Politics lacks free thinking.

recedite

Fuhrer wrote: »

Its like if you're getting mugged and someone beats up the mugger because he hates black people, not to stop you being mugged.

LOL... not all muggers are black, Fuhrer.
Sieg Heil

Dannyboy83

reprazant wrote: »

And that shows how the EU has caused this mess?

Because all I see is how Lenihan has made one bad decision after another, after our banks, with the help of our regulator, borrowed and lent more then they could afford using massively over-priced property as security, which is now worthless.

I am not saying they are entirely responsible.
I am well aware that this problem has been mostly created by the Irish government.
What I am saying is - they are not innocent.

Why didn't the ECB in Frankfurt control lending?
Why didn't they have limits?
Why didn't they reprimand the Irish Cental Bank?
Did they think it was a good investment lending to Fingleton/FitzPatrick?
Sorry, but they may aswell have lent to Bernie Madoff.

They made mistakes, they can at the least share the blame and the burden.
They made a bad investment and they should also accept losses.

Why is the Irish taxpayer supposed to bail out German/French/British banks?
Everyone else must abide by the rules - why are they excused?

Dannyboy83

The figures here do not instill confidence.

I personally do not have a mortgage despite being offered 300k by AIB 3 years ago, because I knew I could not repay it.
They are required to be equally as responsible as I am




The ECB speak of the moral hazard required for Ireland, to scare other countries who expect bailouts.
Where is the moral hazard for the ECB?

Besides, the punitive strategy they are pursuing right now is no more than cutting off their nose to spite their face, based on the figures that are currently being thrown around, which ensures a guaranteed default and potential collapse of the EZ/UK.

Dannyboy83

Fuhrer wrote: »

This isnt Farage trying to help anyone out.

Its like if you're getting mugged and someone beats up the mugger because he hates black people, not to stop you being mugged.

Sure, I can agree to that

the enemy of my enemy is my friend................but what about European solidarity? Aren't the ECB supposed to be our partner? Not our lords.

It's like a whole new take on the landwars, cept our foreign landlords are in Brussels, not Britain.

Fuhrer

With multilateral netting, we could reduce all these big unmanageable loans into one enourmous unmanageable load.

hinault

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

Why didn't the ECB in Frankfurt control lending?
Why didn't they have limits?
Why didn't they reprimand the Irish Cental Bank?
Did they think it was a good investment lending to Fingleton/FitzPatrick?
Sorry, but they may aswell have lent to Bernie Madoff.

They made mistakes, they can at the least share the blame and the burden.
They made a bad investment and they should also accept losses.

Why is the Irish taxpayer supposed to bail out German/French/British banks?
Everyone else must abide by the rules - why are they excused?

To the best of my knowledge the ECB doesn't have power to impose controlling lending policies in each Eurozone country.
I would suspect that the ECB took the view that the central banks and financial services authorities in respective eurozone country's would monitor the policies and capital bases/reserves of the banks operating in each respective jurisdiction.

It's odd though.
People are moaning that Europe has too much control when times are bad while at the same time remonstrating that Europe did not exercise enough control when times were "good".

h2pogo

meglome wrote: »

Pretty please can people stop bringing the Lisbon treaty into this. It has nothing to do with where we're at. The seeds of what has happened here were sown years before the Lisbon treaty.

It's showing anti-EU bias and little else.

May be may be not the treaty itself but that is highly debatable..
But..
The EU its self and the euro has every thing to do where we are at..just like all the other EU countries the fractional reserve banking system that the Eu has can only benefit the big corporate bankers that created the EU..

Excellent speech all true and needed to be said..

h2pogo

hinault wrote: »

To the best of my knowledge the ECB doesn't have power to impose controlling lending policies in each Eurozone country.
I would suspect that the ECB took the view that the central banks and financial services authorities in respective eurozone country's would monitor the policies and capital bases/reserves of the banks operating in each respective jurisdiction.

It's odd though.
People are moaning that Europe has too much control when times are bad while at the same time remonstrating that Europe did not exercise enough control when times were "good".

When we are in debt to the banking corporations that created the EU/ECB then they can impose all kinds of measures..


I am no economist but this guy is and explains it well..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37VBTzo1Llk

raymann

nesf wrote: »

It's extremely easy to be those things if your party has no hope of being in Power within 10 years (if ever). He can rant and rave to his heart's content and doesn't need to worry about upsetting people.

He is well spoken though, I'll give him that.

he is ballsy. hes been 'involved' in a light aircraft crash and he still goes after the people he sees as wrong.

i dont know where i stand anymore. i very aware thought that a good confident speaker can present an argument in such a way that makes you want to believe it. at the moment as well its easy to look negatively on te european project as the medicine taste bad and its not an irish hand thats feeding to us. however, that quite possibly could be 100% our own fault.

Scofflaw

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

I am not saying they are entirely responsible.
I am well aware that this problem has been mostly created by the Irish government.
What I am saying is - they are not innocent.

Why didn't the ECB in Frankfurt control lending?
Why didn't they have limits?
Why didn't they reprimand the Irish Cental Bank?
Did they think it was a good investment lending to Fingleton/FitzPatrick?
Sorry, but they may aswell have lent to Bernie Madoff.

They made mistakes, they can at the least share the blame and the burden.
They made a bad investment and they should also accept losses.

Why is the Irish taxpayer supposed to bail out German/French/British banks?
Everyone else must abide by the rules - why are they excused?

In very brief response:

The problem is that the ECB cannot react to problems in individual countries unless they affect the euro zone as a whole. So while the ECB is obviously keeping a close eye on developments and is eager to prevent a further buildup of a credit-fueled house price bubble, it will also have to rely on national governments to deal with the issue at the country level.

As far as I know, the ECB can't directly control lending in any of the member states. They certainly issued bubble warnings, and wrote to the ICB - and the ICB wrote to the banks. And the banks ignored them.

The report on Ireland's banking crisis issued earlier this year contains a lot about poor bank regulation, and virtually nothing about the ECB.

cordially,
Scofflaw

sollar

IMO the beginning of rip of republic can be traced to the day we first started using the euro. If we could safely leave it it would be a good thing.

I remember simple things like bread went from about 60p in my local shop to 2 euro in a very short time.

Dannyboy83

sollar wrote: »

IMO the beginning of rip of republic can be traced to the day we first started using the euro. If we could safely leave it it would be a good thing.

I remember simple things like bread went from about 60p in my local shop to 2 euro in a very short time.

That was more directly reflated to policies pursued than the Euro.
The Germans managed to control wage inflation, our government chose not to.

I am not deluded enough to think our government weren't 90% responsible for this mess. Simply I am not prepared to ignore the 10% for which the ECB appear to be responsible. Regardless, a punitive strategy is simply going to sink Ireland and the EZ with it.

This video briefly proves how our government ignored all decent advice and inflated our competitiveness away:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THWbrFy5NWM

feicim

hinault wrote: »

It's odd though.
People are moaning that Europe has too much control when times are bad while at the same time remonstrating that Europe did not exercise enough control when times were "good".

It is odd/ironic but it is a valid point.

When europe should have been exercing their influence they weren't - and the chain of events has led to now, where they have a disproportionate amount of control over Irelands economic policy.

The EU/ECB basically gave us a rope to hang ourselves with and the treasonous failures i.e. Fianna Fail / greedy bankers / developers gladly obliged.

h2pogo

sollar wrote: »

IMO the beginning of rip of republic can be traced to the day we first started using the euro. If we could safely leave it it would be a good thing.

I remember simple things like bread went from about 60p in my local shop to 2 euro in a very short time.

The same thing happened all over Europe and now look at whats happened..

The inevitable result of using fiat money..

Lockstep

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

Thanks KickOutTheJams for fixing my OP

No worries man, least I could do.

kaiser sauze

I knew that the Italian economy was leveraged heavily on the French, but half a trillion?!?

That may prove to be a dumb move on the part of the French.

PeterIanStaker

Just looking at the digram there, didn't know Spain & Italy were also up a certain creek without a paddle.

kaiser sauze

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Just looking at the digram there, didn't know Spain & Italy were also up a certain creek without a paddle.

Italy has been an almost perennial basket-case, I cannot remember ever seeing their debt/GDP below 120%.

Spain has always been another heavily indebted country, but its problems, like ours, have been exasperated by their construction bubble.

Foreverdelayed

Leaving the E.U would be a horrible idea; at least we have a somewhat stable currency compared to what it would be like if we still used the Irish Punt. It would the Weirmar Republic all over again, hyper inflation and bags of worthless notes.

h2pogo

Foreverdelayed wrote: »

Leaving the E.U would be a horrible idea; at least we have a somewhat stable currency compared to what it would be like if we still used the Irish Punt. It would the Weirmar Republic all over again, hyper inflation and bags of worthless notes.

That could be the way we are going..hyper inflation and bags of worthless notes.
Time will tell..

HivemindXX

Anyone who thinks Nigel Farage is doing this for Ireland is a sucker. This is just fuel for his party's anti-Euro, nationalist, xenophobic platform.

There are people on here and all through the country who think the problems can be fixed with some simple solution that only they have been smart enough to think of. There are people who conveniently accuse the thing they've been against all along of being to blame and demand it is removed. Nigel Farage is either one of those people who's managed to climb on a really big soap box, or more likely, is someone who thinks appealing to those people is an excellent path to power.