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Digital TV and Satellite TV set-up advice

  • 23-11-2010 10:11pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32


    Hi,

    The previous owners of my house had satellite tv installed, and when they vacated the house they naturally ended their subscription and the dish was removed. The wiring however was left in place.

    I attached a loft aerial to the distribution/signal booster box and this allowed the analogue signal to be distributed the various rooms and the four terrestrial channels could be viewed and this met my needs.

    However, now with an eye to the future and going digital I was wondering, instead of having to buy an individual STB for each TV, if I connected the STB to a power supply in the loft and connected the loft aerial to the in port of the STB and the out port to the distribution box will this work and allow the digital signal to be carried to all of the rooms and would this eliminate the need for separate STB per each TV?

    And secondly if I wanted to also get the UK free-to-air channels if I got a dish could this allow me to get Irish DTT and the UK channels together?

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No for two reasons.

    1 - virtually no DTT STB has RF out except as an analogue passthrough.

    2 - (more importantly) even if you did have RF out the STB only outputs one channel at a time, therefore you'd have to watch the same channel in each room. You could theoretically use six STBs (one for each channel) outputting on UHF channels but this would be a bit wasteful and not a particularly good idea (poorer quality than analogue and mono audio only).

    So separate STBs are still the way to go. Your best bet for UK FTA channels and Saorview on one unit is a DVB-S/DVB-T combo box.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Digtvinfo


    Karsini wrote: »
    No for two reasons.

    1 - virtually no DTT STB has RF out except as an analogue passthrough.

    2 - (more importantly) even if you did have RF out the STB only outputs one channel at a time, therefore you'd have to watch the same channel in each room. You could theoretically use six STBs (one for each channel) outputting on UHF channels but this would be a bit wasteful and not a particularly good idea (poorer quality than analogue and mono audio only).

    So separate STBs are still the way to go. Your best bet for UK FTA channels and Saorview on one unit is a DVB-S/DVB-T combo box.

    Thanks for the reply and the info, much appreciated. Just to clarify the combo box that you referred to, can that be used in conjunction with the loft aerial or would I have to get the dish, sorry if this is a stupid question, but as you have probably gathered by now, not to well up all this tech. stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Digtvinfo wrote: »
    Hi,

    The previous owners of my house had satellite tv installed, and when they vacated the house they naturally ended their subscription and the dish was removed. The wiring however was left in place.

    I attached a loft aerial to the distribution/signal booster box and this allowed the analogue signal to be distributed the various rooms and the four terrestrial channels could be viewed and this met my needs.

    However, now with an eye to the future and going digital I was wondering, instead of having to buy an individual STB for each TV, if I connected the STB to a power supply in the loft and connected the loft aerial to the in port of the STB and the out port to the distribution box will this work and allow the digital signal to be carried to all of the rooms and would this eliminate the need for separate STB per each TV?

    And secondly if I wanted to also get the UK free-to-air channels if I got a dish could this allow me to get Irish DTT and the UK channels together?

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

    The distribution box will only distribute the RF for DTT and sat. You will need a box at each tv point to split back out to dtt sat if you wish to watch a different station in one room to the next.

    Dish - only from April next year when Saorsat (the sat equivelant of Saorview) takes place.

    If you want DTT or sat in each room with only one box that allows you output the station you are watching on the main tv in any room then you need a hd combo box with an rf modulator - technomates typically.

    EDIT same response except more long winded than Karsini.

    See the Combo boxes in the sticky €150/60 each - DTT and HD sat in one channel list. Aerial connection and Sat connection into back of the one box. One remote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Digtvinfo wrote: »
    Just to clarify the combo box that you referred to, can that be used in conjunction with the loft aerial or would I have to get the dish, sorry if this is a stupid question, but as you have probably gathered by now, not to well up all this tech. stuff.

    Aerial required for the DTT channels and dish required for the FTA UK channels.

    If you live close to the border or on the east coast it could be possible to get the UK channels with another aerial, if not a dish is required.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Digtvinfo


    Thanks lads for taking the trouble to reply, much appreciated.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭championc


    For satellite, there's no getting away from needing a separate cable to each point where you might want a TV. However, with a separate cable, an STB will allow any channel to be watched independently of what's being viewed at another point. What you need to do is get a quad output LNB for the dish. Now for the clever bit. You could get diplexer's to allow you to use the same downlead for both the Aerial and the Satellite giving you an option to install STB's or not in rooms for satellite access !!

    tv-sat-diplex4.jpg

    Combining SAT and TV into one "drop cable". Uses a single DIP2 diplexer and a Televes 8241 Satellite/aerial decombiner outlet plate. The Aerial Feed would be an output from your booster and you would just need to run 4 lengths of cable from the satellite dish, one to each of the diplexers you want.

    And of course, there are TV's with Freesat Tuners onboard which essentially incorporate a STB in the TV


    C


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    With Multiswitch (the best way to feed more than 2 PVRs or have more than one satellite with more than one PVR) you can feed the Aerial into an extra "Terrestrial" input port on the Multiswitch, hence inputs are 9 (2 Satellites), 13 (3 satellites) and 17 (4 satellites). Outputs are 4, 6, 8, 12 or 16. It's easy to have over a hundred Multiswitches from one dish. (larger dish needed for very big systems).

    http://www.techtir.ie/node/1003507#comment-1004343


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭championc


    But watty, he'll only need to access 1 x Satellite - Astra at 28.2 E

    I suggesting he gets a Quad Output LNB so he can feed 4 separate points in his house with a combined TV and Sat connection. He confirmed that he has a drop to each from his attic already so it's fairly straight forward from there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    you can get single sat input or dual sat input multiswitch.

    For more than one satellite (i.e. adding Saorsat to a sat PVR) a Multistwitch is best.
    For more than two PVRs a multiswitch is best.

    They come in all different sizes. But a 17/16 allows expansion of 1 to 4 satellite feeds and PVR/TV in up to 8 rooms. No separate TV/Radio distribution amp or wiring needed.

    you can get 5/8 9/8, 9/12 etc
    (each four inputs is one sat position also an Aerial).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭championc


    But if he has Analog channels then he'll never need Saorsat


    C


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    You mean Terrestrial. Analogue is getting turned off :)

    The advantage is a cheaper PVR.

    A full spec Combo PVR
    (a) may never exist
    (b) will cost more.

    My plan is satellite only PVR (apart from PC PVR, which now has 2 x PCI card for satellite and single dual tuner USB stick for terrestrial) for living room, with a BD player/Recorder built in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    watty wrote: »
    You mean Terrestrial. Analogue is getting turned off :)

    If he has analogue terrestrial now he will have digital terrestrial in due course and so won't require Saorsat unless he is one of the 2% as indicated by RTÉNL that won't be within coverage of a DTT transmitter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭championc


    watty wrote: »
    You mean Terrestrial. Analogue is getting turned off :)

    Well obviously ..... duh

    Digtvinfo is looking for a flexible solution. My suggestion will give him a TERRESTRIAL and Satellite feed at each point in his house for £20 (Dip2 = £10 and Televes Faceplate = £10).

    It's entirely up to him whether he attaches a PVR, an Old Sky Box or splash out on new kit. With your setup, do you have two separate downleads for each point - one TERR and one SAT ? I personally will be going the route of one downlead to deliver both.


    C


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    No. Each download does Terrestrial AND Satellilte. Up to four Satellites. The only reason for two downleads is a Satellite PVR, which must have two Satellite feeds.

    The solution I've suggested is the most flexible there is. It's the only viable one if you want either more than 1 satellite or more than 4 PVRs (or more than 2 pvrs with a Quad).

    Octo is poor value solution compared to a Multiswitch, if you ever might want a 2nd or 3rd Satellite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Digtvinfo


    Thanks again lads for all the replies, just trying to get my head around all of your suggestions, I will try and make sense of it all only wish I was even half as knowledgeable as you guys on here about all this stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭championc


    watty wrote: »
    you can get single sat input or dual sat input multiswitch.

    For more than one satellite (i.e. adding Saorsat to a sat PVR) a Multistwitch is best.
    For more than two PVRs a multiswitch is best.

    Sorry watty, I see where you are going here
    multi_w.gif
    Dies the Diplexer have any sort of a special name and would a Televes 8241 Satellite/aerial decombiner outlet plate be the same thing ?


    C


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 719 ✭✭✭12 element


    championc wrote: »
    Dies the Diplexer have any sort of a special name and would a Televes 8241 Satellite/aerial decombiner outlet plate be the same thing ?


    C

    A diplexer can combine and split the two signals from the one cable, there's no such thing as a decombiner. The faceplate you're on about is just a diplexer built into a faceplate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Digtvinfo


    championc wrote: »
    Sorry watty, I see where you are going here
    multi_w.gif
    Dies the Diplexer have any sort of a special name and would a Televes 8241 Satellite/aerial decombiner outlet plate be the same thing ?


    C
    Hi all,

    I am back to this topic again, I have tried making sense of the above but it is just not happening for me. I now have the DTT up and running and that is fine, but now to get the freeview UK channels up and running.

    As I said at the beginning of this thread, although the satellite dish was removed by the previous owners the wiring remains in place. I know I obviously have to get a Satellite dish and a receiver, but what I need is for someone to make sense of the wiring set-up above regarding multiswitches and diplexers and to explain it to me in as easy a language as possible in order for me to make sense of this. ( There are four drops from the attic for possible tv viewing).

    Thanks in advance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭championc


    OK, I'll do my best for you. A satellite broadcasts channels on two different polarities - H Horizontal and V Vertical. The first thing you need is for TWO links coming from the Dish LNB (the thingy that collects the signal from the dish). The reason for two is that one link will deliver all the Horizontal Channels and the other all the Vertical ones.

    So this gives each output of the multiswitch (links to the TV) access to all channels from the satellite. Obviously, you can see that your standard DTT Aerial is fed into the centre socket of the multiswitch. This allows for the Aerial signal to be added in with the Satellite Signal although the frequencies are totally different, and therefore allows each cable from your attic to carry both the satellite and Aerial signals to your rooms.

    Then the final part is the diplexers (the small thingy's at the bottom). The purpose of these is to separate the Satellite signal from the Aerial signal. As previously mentioned, you can get a diplexer which is incorporated into a wall outlet plate so giving you the two connections - one to go to an Aerial socket and the other to a satellite receiver.

    Even if you did not want to connect satellite receivers at this stage, I would still suggest spending the 10er or whatever and having it setup forever.

    Hope this helps and feel free to seek any further clarification.


    C


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,158 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    That yoke is for circular polarisation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    Hi championc, do you not need 4 feeds from the LNB (quattro) into the multiswitch - Hi-band H, Lo-band H, Hi-band V, Lo-band V?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    You do for most but not all Satellites.
    I'm guessing that's just a very old illustration from Analogue days (Dual band less common) to illustrate where the Diplexers go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    watty - wasn't referring to the illustration, but to championc's reference to only two feeds required from the quad/quattro LNB into the multiswitch


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭championc


    Thanks for the info - I though everything was just H and V so when I do my own, I'll know to connect all from a Quad LNB

    So would the correct Multiswitch (for a single satellite) be 5 in and 4 (or how many feeds you want) out ?

    C


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,158 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    That yoke is for circular polarisation.

    That unit is for circular polarisation.

    The two outputs are LH and RH


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    championc wrote: »
    Thanks for the info - I though everything was just H and V so when I do my own, I'll know to connect all from a Quad LNB

    So would the correct Multiswitch (for a single satellite) be 5 in and 4 (or how many feeds you want) out ?

    C

    Lo-Band = 10.7 -11.7 GHz, Hi-Band = 11.7 - 12.75 GHz

    Quad LNB = 4 Independent outputs (each output Hi Band H & V, Lo Band H & V) to feed up to 4 satellite receivers
    Octo LNB = 8 Independent outputs (each output Hi Band H & V, Lo Band H & V) to feed up to 8 satellite receivers


    Quattro LNB = the received signal is split into its 4 constituent parts (Hi-band H, Lo-band H, Hi-band V, Lo-band V) hence 4 outputs, and fed separately to a multiswitch.

    5/4 Multiswitch = 4 feeds from the Quattro LNB & 1 terrestrial aerial / capable of feeding 4 TV/Sat diplexers. A 5/8 will feed 8 points etc.

    9/4 Multiswitch = 4 feeds from 2 satellites with Quattro LNB's & 1 terrestrial aerial / capable of feeding 4 TV/Sat diplexers etc.

    13/8 Multiswitch = 4 feeds from 3 satellites with Quattro LNB's & 1 terrestrial aerial / capable of feeding 8 TV/Sat diplexers etc.

    and so on ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Digtvinfo


    championc wrote: »
    OK, I'll do my best for you. A satellite broadcasts channels on two different polarities - H Horizontal and V Vertical. The first thing you need is for TWO links coming from the Dish LNB (the thingy that collects the signal from the dish). The reason for two is that one link will deliver all the Horizontal Channels and the other all the Vertical ones.

    So this gives each output of the multiswitch (links to the TV) access to all channels from the satellite. Obviously, you can see that your standard DTT Aerial is fed into the centre socket of the multiswitch. This allows for the Aerial signal to be added in with the Satellite Signal although the frequencies are totally different, and therefore allows each cable from your attic to carry both the satellite and Aerial signals to your rooms.

    Then the final part is the diplexers (the small thingy's at the bottom). The purpose of these is to separate the Satellite signal from the Aerial signal. As previously mentioned, you can get a diplexer which is incorporated into a wall outlet plate so giving you the two connections - one to go to an Aerial socket and the other to a satellite receiver.

    Even if you did not want to connect satellite receivers at this stage, I would still suggest spending the 10er or whatever and having it setup forever.

    Hope this helps and feel free to seek any further clarification.


    C

    Thanks very much for the response. You say I will need two links coming from the LNB, the previous owners only had one link off the dish, then it fed into a distribution box in the attic and four links to the different rooms fed from this, so would that still work.

    If this would not work, and I have to use the set-up you advised, would the multiswitch connect up to the distribution box in the attic then the four links that feed off this to the wall plates in the different rooms or would I have to get these diplexer things for the four rooms?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Digtvinfo wrote: »
    Thanks very much for the response. You say I will need two links coming from the LNB, the previous owners only had one link off the dish, then it fed into a distribution box in the attic and four links to the different rooms fed from this, so would that still work.

    If this would not work, and I have to use the set-up you advised, would the multiswitch connect up to the distribution box in the attic then the four links that feed off this to the wall plates in the different rooms or would I have to get these diplexer things for the four rooms?
    The previous owners may only have had a single satellite receiver. It's not possible to split a single feed from the dish to feed 4 satellite receivers like you can do with a terrestrial aerial. The existing single feed from the dish will only work with one receiver.

    Each satellite receiver requires

    - a direct connection to the LNB on the dish (as described in by championc in post #7)
    Quad LNB required + 4 feeds from the dish to the attic joined to the 4 drop cables.
    To add terrestrial tv a TV/Sat diplexer is required at each join in the attic and another at each room outlet to combine/separate sat and terrestrial signals. The aerial distribution amp outlets are connected to each diplexer in the attic.

    or

    - a direct connection to a multiswitch
    Quattro LNB required + 4 feeds from the dish to the attic connected to a 5/4 multiswitch, the 4 drop cables are connected the 4 outlets on the multiswitch.
    To add terrestrial tv connect the aerial directly to the 5th input on the multiswitch (combined with the sat signal), TV/Sat diplexer is required at each room outlet to separate sat and terrestrial signals.

    Example of TV/Sat diplexer - http://www.tvtrade.ie/alltrade-tv-aerial-and-satellite-combiner.html
    Example of TV/Sat wallplate diplexer - http://www.tvtrade.ie/wolsey-tv-aerial-and-satellite-wall-plate.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Digtvinfo


    The Cush wrote: »
    The previous owners may only have had a single satellite receiver. It's not possible to split a single feed from the dish to feed 4 satellite receivers like you can do with a terrestrial aerial. The existing single feed from the dish will only work with one receiver.

    Each satellite receiver requires

    - a direct connection to the LNB on the dish (as described in by championc in post #7)
    Quad LNB required + 4 feeds from the dish to the attic joined to the 4 drop cables.
    To add terrestrial tv a TV/Sat diplexer is required at each join in the attic and another at each room outlet to combine/separate sat and terrestrial signals. The aerial distribution amp outlets are connected to each diplexer in the attic.

    or

    - a direct connection to a multiswitch
    Quattro LNB required + 4 feeds from the dish to the attic connected to a 5/4 multiswitch, the 4 drop cables are connected the 4 outlets on the multiswitch.
    To add terrestrial tv connect the aerial directly to the 5th input on the multiswitch (combined with the sat signal), TV/Sat diplexer is required at each room outlet to separate sat and terrestrial signals.

    Example of TV/Sat diplexer - http://www.tvtrade.ie/alltrade-tv-aerial-and-satellite-combiner.html
    Example of TV/Sat wallplate diplexer - http://www.tvtrade.ie/wolsey-tv-aerial-and-satellite-wall-plate.html

    Thanks very much for that, very well explained and thanks for the photos of the diplexers and wall plates without you being able to see the existing wall plates already in the house, they are a double outlet, do you think they could work with the above?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Digtvinfo wrote: »
    Thanks very much for that, very well explained and thanks for the photos of the diplexers and wall plates without you being able to see the existing wall plates already in the house, they are a double outlet, do you think they could work with the above?

    Remove the wallplate and check how many cables are connected. If only one cables is connected and there is only a connection for one cable it will be a diplexer type.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Mmm... There are UPC/NTL/Chorus plates with F and Belling-Lee that are FM Radio + TV. No good for satellite.

    unless the outlets are marked Sat and TV they are probably not the right kind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    @ Digtvinfo

    watty is correct, could be TV/radio wallplate. Check for TV/Sat on the wallplate not TV/radio or frequency range something like 950-2200 MHz.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭championc


    Digtvinfo wrote: »
    Thanks very much for that, very well explained and thanks for the photos of the diplexers and wall plates without you being able to see the existing wall plates already in the house, they are a double outlet, do you think they could work with the above?

    Double outlets sound like a slightly different diplexer. My guess is that you have one cable which is splitting the signal into TV in one socket and FM in the other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Digtvinfo


    championc wrote: »
    Double outlets sound like a slightly different diplexer. My guess is that you have one cable which is splitting the signal into TV in one socket and FM in the other.

    You are right, one for tv and the other for fm radio, so the two options I have then is to simply replace the existing wallplate with the TV/Satellite one yes, assuming the wiring set-up permits this or leaving the existing wallplates in place and simply connecting up to one of these diplexer things that you have been talking about, yes ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Digtvinfo wrote: »
    You are right, one for tv and the other for fm radio, so the two options I have then is to simply replace the existing wallplate with the TV/Satellite one yes, assuming the wiring set-up permits this or leaving the existing wallplates in place and simply connecting up to one of these diplexer things that you have been talking about, yes ?

    I'd go with replacing the wallplate, much tidier. Straight forward swap over. Remove one of the existing wallplates and have a look at the wiring setup.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Digtvinfo


    Ok,this is starting to finally come together for me in my head. I am just thinking out loud here so if I am wrong please put me straight before I start trying to put this all into action.

    I erect the satellite dish, with a quad LNB, four cables from the satellite dish are run into the attic, these cables are fed into a diplexer with 5 inputs, 4 for the cables as mentioned and one for the terrestrial aerial.

    The four drop leads out of the attic going to the four rooms have coaxial plugs fitted but I can get connections that slide up on them and make them into F connectors, yes?

    These cables then run to the four rooms and I simply replace the existing tv/fm wallplates with sat/tv wall plates and these will separate out the satellite/tv signals again and I connect up the receiver which in turn is connected to the tv and both terrestrial and freeview satellite channels miraculously appear and mission accomplished.

    The attic diplexer is a passive device, yes? So what happens to the mains powered booster/distribution box in the attic that currently the four drop leads in the attic are outputted from? Does this become redundant or do I have to connect it along the line somewhere?

    Thanks again in advance for any responses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭championc


    Digtvinfo wrote: »
    The four drop leads out of the attic going to the four rooms have coaxial plugs fitted but I can get connections that slide up on them and make them into F connectors, yes?

    Simply cut off the Coax plugs and REPLACE these with F Connectors
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzR4EFSgSr-EYMFXEfOz8Hcg_107orkuM_xqazOdDf5tZwMTtlLQ
    Digtvinfo wrote: »
    The attic diplexer is a passive device, yes? So what happens to the mains powered booster/distribution box in the attic that currently the four drop leads in the attic are outputted from? Does this become redundant or do I have to connect it along the line somewhere?

    I assume you use the booster to run the 4 sets currently. You can do two things here dependent on results - a) connect Aerial directly into the 5th Input in the Multiswitch
    or b) you may need a single output booster and feed this into the 5th Input

    Finally, a question for The Cush or someone else to answer - it seems from earlier post that a quad LNB is a different device to a quattro LNB - yes ? Maybe a Google search or whoever you purchase the miltiswitch from, might clarify this.


    C


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Digtvinfo wrote: »
    I erect the satellite dish, with a quad LNB, four cables from the satellite dish are run into the attic, these cables are fed into a diplexer with 5 inputs, 4 for the cables as mentioned and one for the terrestrial aerial.
    for any responses.

    Just to make a slight correction to what you said above
    "I erect the satellite dish, with a quattro LNB, four cables from the satellite dish are run into the attic, these cables are fed into a multiswitch with 5 inputs, 4 for the cables as mentioned and one for the terrestrial aerial" (directly connected to the aerial bypassing the distribution amp).

    The other option is 4 cables from a quad LNB to 4 TV/Sat diplexers in the attic with each diplexer also connected to the tv aerial distribution amplifier. This option is probably the cheaper one if cost is an issue.
    Digtvinfo wrote: »
    The attic diplexer is a passive device, yes? So what happens to the mains powered booster/distribution box in the attic that currently the four drop leads in the attic are outputted from? Does this become redundant or do I have to connect it along the line somewhere?

    If you go the quad LNB / TV-Sat diplexer route the diplexers are passive, connect the aerial distribution outputs to the TV inputs of the diplexers.

    If you go the quattro LNB / multiswitch route the multiswitch is powered and the aerial is connected directly to the multiswitch and the distribution amp removed from the system.
    Digtvinfo wrote: »
    These cables then run to the four rooms and I simply replace the existing tv/fm wallplates with sat/tv wall plates and these will separate out the satellite/tv signals again and I connect up the receiver which in turn is connected to the tv and both terrestrial and freeview satellite channels miraculously appear and mission accomplished.

    Fingers crossed :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    championc wrote: »
    Finally, a question for The Cush or someone else to answer - it seems from earlier post that a quad LNB is a different device to a quattro LNB - yes ? Maybe a Google search or whoever you purchase the miltiswitch from, might clarify this.

    Quad LNB (each output - full frequency range) supplies 4 satellite receivers independently
    Output 1 - Hi Band H & V, Lo Band H & V
    Output 2 - Hi Band H & V, Lo Band H & V
    Output 3 - Hi Band H & V, Lo Band H & V
    Output 4 - Hi Band H & V, Lo Band H & V

    Quattro LNB (each output - quarter of frequency range) Multiswitch use
    Output 1 - Lo Band H
    Output 2 - Lo Band V
    Output 3 - Hi Band H
    Output 4 - Hi Band V

    LNB - http://www.sateuropa.co.uk/overview.asp?catid=12&subcat=50
    Multiswitch - http://www.sateuropa.co.uk/overview.asp?catid=12&subcat=11 (Note: some of the multiswitches in the link also work with quad LNBs)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    Just to add - the difference between a quad and a quattro:

    Quad - four independent LNBs in a single housing. Each of four cables capable of directly servicing a satellite receiver/tuner. Each connection can switch between vertical and horizontal polarity and between high and low bands in the frequency range. This is the most common LNB in use in a domestic environment - can feed two SKY+ or Freesat PVR boxes with two tuners each or four standard satellite receivers.

    Quattro - four separate LNBs in the housing, one servicing horizontal low band, one horizontal high band, one vertical low band and one vertical high band. Used to feed a multiswitch input typically. The multiswitch connects the appropriate LNB to the satellite receiver on its output which is calling for the relevant polarity and band.

    Receivers select the polarity wanted by using applying either 13 Volts DC or 18 Volts DC on the cable. Band switching is done by applying a 22 KHz tone on the cable.

    - or see the Cush's answer;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭championc


    Sounds like the Quad route might be the best option. You can then get 4 diplexers for the attic and feed each with a feed from the Quad LNB and a feed from the 4 gang distribution booster, as I described in post #7.


    C


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Digtvinfo


    championc wrote: »
    Sounds like the Quad route might be the best option. You can then get 4 diplexers for the attic and feed each with a feed from the Quad LNB and a feed from the 4 gang distribution booster, as I described in post #7.


    C

    Just to get this clear in my head. Going the quad route, four cables into the attic, attached to the sat. in port on the diplexers, then connect the terrestrial aerial to the in port on the distribution booster and run connecting cables from this back to the tv in port on the diplexers and then connect the downleads to the rooms to the outport on the attic diplexers, yes ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Digtvinfo wrote: »
    Just to get this clear in my head. Going the quad route, four cables into the attic, attached to the sat. in port on the diplexers, then connect the terrestrial aerial to the in port on the distribution booster and run connecting cables from this back to the tv in port on the diplexers and then connect the downleads to the rooms to the outport on the attic diplexers, yes ?

    Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Digtvinfo


    The Cush wrote: »
    Yes.

    Thanks for the confirmation, I think I am finally ready to give this thing a go and see how I get on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    The quad route with diplexers would seem to be the most cost effective route.

    The quattro with a multiswitch provides the most flexible option (at a cost) if you want to deploy multiple boxes beyond the four available with a quad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Digtvinfo


    when I am running the four connecting short cables from the distribution box in the attic back to the tv out port on the diplexer, will the ordinary cables that you use to connect from the wallplate to the tv receiver suffice


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Digtvinfo wrote: »
    when I am running the four connecting short cables from the distribution box in the attic back to the tv out port on the diplexer, will the ordinary cables that you use to connect from the wallplate to the tv receiver suffice

    Yes.

    I always use satellite cable no matter the job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    fat-tony wrote: »
    The quad route with diplexers would seem to be the most cost effective route.

    The quattro with a multiswitch provides the most flexible option (at a cost) if you want to deploy multiple boxes beyond the four available with a quad.

    Or if you want more than one satellite feed to more than one receiver.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭championc


    Digtvinfo wrote: »
    Just to get this clear in my head. Going the quad route, four cables into the attic, attached to the sat. in port on the diplexers, then connect the terrestrial aerial to the in port on the distribution booster and run connecting cables from this back to the tv in port on the diplexers and then connect the downleads to the rooms to the outport on the attic diplexers, yes ?

    So for others who may also consider doing this job too, here's a simple diagram (OK, I'm no artist !!)

    Sat_Distribution.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Digtvinfo


    championc wrote: »
    So for others who may also consider doing this job too, here's a simple diagram (OK, I'm no artist !!)

    Sat_Distribution.jpg

    Thanks lads for all your help, now all I have to do is to put it into practice, keep the fingers crossed, will let you know how I get on!


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