Noel Dempsey office vandalised - a hint of things to come?

mike65

From IT

Gardaí are investigating following an attack on the Minster for Transport Noel Dempsey’s constituency office in Trim, Co Meath last night.

Three windows were smashed and graffiti was spray-painted on the outside of the building.

A Garda spokesman said the attack happened sometime between 2.30am and 7.30am and nobody was in the building at the time.

The office is one of a number the Minsiter has in the constituency.

Could well be a one off by some angry constituent or it could be the first move by some organised yahoos, the graffiti might give a clue.

Liam Byrne

I don't condone it, but I can certainly understand it.

Considering that I nearly threw MY OWN TV out the window in disgust while watching Cowen's second "saying-nothing-new-other-than-f**k-what-the-electorate-want" press conference in 24 hours, I can certainly understand the frustration at the contempt with which FF are behaving.

LostinBlanch

I understand it as well.

I'd understand if a lot more happened too. You continually f**k the country over and eventually someone somewhere will take matters into their own hands.

It's called reaping what you sow.

Again like Liam Byrne, not condoning it, but understanding it.

Wolfe Tone

I think it is perfectly understandable. Wouldn't be a tactic I would advocate, but I understand the rationale and anger behind it.

Mister men

Acceptable in the present situation tbh. This is only the beginning. The protest this weekend is going to be very interesting.

The Waltzing Consumer

Mister men wrote: »

Acceptable in the present situation tbh. This is only the beginning. The protest this weekend is going to be very interesting.

How in the world is it acceptable? And your "this is only the beginning" sounds like childish scare-mongering.

Mister men

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

How in the world is it acceptable? And your "this is only the beginning" sounds like childish scare-mongering.

It's a reality. No fairness towards the people will always end badly.

CptSternn

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

How in the world is it acceptable? And your "this is only the beginning" sounds like childish scare-mongering.

The government has been let off for far too long. People have sat idly by and watched the country be run into the ground. The EU/IMF are having to come in and manage our country because the current shower are so incompetent they can't even pay to keep the lights on in government offices.

If people had started breaking windows around last election time maybe we wouldn't be here today.

Besides, if anyone deserves to have their windows broken, its the lying bastards that are currently in power.

Since last week alone you can count the number of times they have outright lied to the public. There will be no bailout. We are not in talks with the IMF. Our economy is sound.

...etc...etc...etc...

Sure, if we can't trust them or listen to them, then why not break out their windows? It's not like they are playing by the rules either - knowingly feeding us lies to try and hold on to what little power they haven't given up to the EU, yet.

The Waltzing Consumer

Mister men wrote: »

It's a reality. No fairness towards the people will always end badly.

It may be a reality for some bizarre people, but not the majority. There are certain groups who are engaging in these below-the-belt tactics and it is something which sickens most people. You will not find the majority of people in the republic do not want these mob-actions.

compaqlaptop1

It is acceptable for me. FF have destroyed the country, the people are entitled to be angry. FF will not leave power and have distorted democracy by not holding by-elections.

The Irish people have been waaay to complacent for too long...we should have shown our anger and demanded they leave office long ago. Then we wouldn't be where we are now. Stuff like this gets news coverage and shows that the public are fuming.

And at what cost? The price of a few windows and some paint to repair it - pretty insignificant compared to the tens of billions FF have cost us.

littlesthobo

mike65 wrote: »

Noel Dempsey office vandalised - a hint of things to come?

Hopefully not. Remember who foots the bill for this type of behaviour.

dolphin city

get used to it - its going to be a regular occurrence from now on and don't fool yourselves that its not. Also don't pretend you are abhorred by it. What do you expect people to do - say "tut tut" and forget what they have done/ are doing to us - get real. Who gives them the right to rob us with no reaction.

The Waltzing Consumer

CptSternn wrote: »

The government has been let off for far too long. People have sat idly by and watched the country be run into the ground. The EU/IMF are having to come in and manage our country because the current shower are so incompetent they can't even pay to keep the lights on in government offices.

If people had started breaking windows around last election time maybe we wouldn't be here today.

Besides, if anyone deserves to have their windows broken, its the lying bastards that are currently in power.

Since last week alone you can count the number of times they have outright lied to the public. There will be no bailout. We are not in talks with the IMF. Our economy is sound.

...etc...etc...etc...

Sure, if we can't trust them or listen to them, then why not break out their windows? It's not like they are playing by the rules either - knowingly feeding us lies to try and hold on to what little power they haven't given up to the EU, yet.

You are having an election in a couple of weeks, why engage in mob actions? What is that really saying about these small political groups?

Where does this end? The majority of people and the biggest political parties would not lower themselves into the gutter with these tactics.
They are similar to BNP and Fox News fans tactics.

Do you think every single politician should be attacked, homes attacked, offices attacked? Is it only the government who should be attacked or opposition? Will it be voters next? Where is the line in the sand?

The Waltzing Consumer

dolphin city wrote: »

get used to it - its going to be a regular occurrence from now on and don't fool yourselves that its not. Also don't pretend you are abhorred by it. What do you expect people to do - say "tut tut" and forget what they have done/ are doing to us - get real. Who gives them the right to rob us with no reaction.

I would expect people to vote in a couple of weeks. If you agree with attacks on offices, you will get people attacking their homes, then people will attack their families, then people will attack people who just don't agree with them. They are all going to use the same defence that you are using, so how is this actually good?

Where is the line in the sand? We all know FF are going to be gone, so what is the actual point of fringe political groups engaging in this BNP-style action?

The Waltzing Consumer

compaqlaptop1 wrote: »

It is acceptable for me. FF have destroyed the country, the people are entitled to be angry. FF will not leave power and have distorted democracy by not holding by-elections.

The Irish people have been waaay to complacent for too long...we should have shown our anger and demanded they leave office long ago. Then we wouldn't be where we are now. Stuff like this gets news coverage and shows that the public are fuming.

And at what cost? The price of a few windows and some paint to repair it - pretty insignificant compared to the tens of billions FF have cost us.

Ha, the only things that I know for sure.

1) FF will be gone.

2) SF/Eirigi/SWP are using fear for their own gain. They seem to be so pathetic that they cannot get votes when things are good, so they are preying on fear and ignorance to get votes. Simple obvious tactic that is exact same as racist/bigoted/sectarian tactics used by other groups. I say to these parties, grow up and get votes without the fear and mob nonsense. It is laughable they could not get votes in decent times so this recession is suddenly their best friends. :rolleyes:

paddy462

Fianna Fail can no longer claim to be Republicans. They are traitors and have no place governing this country. The defunct PD's were nothing but Fianna Fail puppies.
A new Liberal Democratic Party is needed for this country.

Mister men

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

It may be a reality for some bizarre people, but not the majority. There are certain groups who are engaging in these below-the-belt tactics and it is something which sickens most people. You will not find the majority of people in the republic do not want these mob-actions.

I agree which is why the elite are getting away with the destroying of the country. Keep up the apathy and let's see where we are in 5 years time.

The Waltzing Consumer

Mister men wrote: »

I agree which is why the elite are getting away with the destroying of the country. Keep up the apathy and let's see where we are in 5 years time.

It is not the bloody elite though. That is a false premise and anyone with a brain cell knows that FF have been the best friend to the poor/old people/lower classes just as much as the rich. Come on, ha. Look at entitlements in the Republic under FF, it is sweet!

Also, 2007 General Election turnout was 67%. That is the majority of people so apathy excuse is also invalid. I would be in favour of mandatory voting though.

transylman

Pictures available here.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2010/11/23/trim-county-meath-no-longer-a-fianna-fail-town/

TRATIORS

Dannyboy83

I find Noel Dempsey to be, by far, one of the most arrogant and intolerable members of government.

I am not in the least surprised by this.
And I expect there will be much more to come.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone will make an attempt on Cowen's life.

Dirk Gently

TRATIORS

Looks more like Trattors. meh, maybe trotters independent traders

DeVore

*facepaml*




DeV.

Sir Oxman

transylman wrote: »

Pictures available here.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2010/11/23/trim-county-meath-no-longer-a-fianna-fail-town/

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Jaysus!

Our man in Havana

Whoever did it needs to learn to spell first.

I totally agree with the anger and other sentiments. I do not condone this act of vandalism.

greendom

Is it just to advertise the opening of an Italian style food shop ?

dan_d

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if someone will make an attempt on Cowen's life.

I would like to hope things would never go that far - but the thought has occurred to me, especially in recent weeks. There's an alarming right wing element showing it's face lately, and taken in conjunction with recent republican attacks up the North...one would wonder....

dolphin city

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

I would expect people to vote in a couple of weeks. If you agree with attacks on offices, you will get people attacking their homes, then people will attack their families, then people will attack people who just don't agree with them. They are all going to use the same defence that you are using, so how is this actually good?

Where is the line in the sand? We all know FF are going to be gone, so what is the actual point of fringe political groups engaging in this BNP-style action?

what makes you think that. Its a "govt" office that was vandalised - nobody was attacked. what you are doing is scare-mongering. The public have to make a point somehow - they are being ignored time and time again. This is a way of getting their attention. they brought it on themselves.

oscarBravo

dolphin city wrote: »

Its a "govt" office that was vandalised - nobody was attacked.

If a brick was thrown through his window? It's OK, nobody was attacked. If his car was burnt out? It's OK, nobody was attacked.

It's criminal damage. It's not the right way to protest. Protest at the ballot box where it will really hurt.

Our man in Havana

Protest at the ballot box where it will really hurt.

That option is not available at present.

smokingman

Funny how, if you search boards for "tratiors", you have this thread and others about dissident republicans...

bmaxi

oscarBravo wrote: »

If a brick was thrown through his window? It's OK, nobody was attacked. If his car was burnt out? It's OK, nobody was attacked.

It's criminal damage. It's not the right way to protest. Protest at the ballot box where it will really hurt.

Whilst I agree with your sentiments, things mightn't have come to this had people been allowed to protest at the ballot box.

IngazZagni

Bahahahah either these vandals can't spell or can't write, either way it's a fail!

bmaxi wrote: »

Whilst I agree with your sentiments, things mightn't have come to this had people been allowed to protest at the ballot box.

So what are you suggesting? That we should have an election every time a protest breaks out? We have a set period of time that we have elections on. There is still over year left in the regular cycle but as they will be losing their majority in January, it will be moved forward. What changes would you like to see made to the system?

MagicSean

dolphin city wrote: »

what makes you think that. Its a "govt" office that was vandalised - nobody was attacked. what you are doing is scare-mongering. The public have to make a point somehow - they are being ignored time and time again. This is a way of getting their attention. they brought it on themselves.

Anyone who can only make their point by throwing a brick through a window is a moron and doesn't deserve a vote. There are plenty of ways to get a point across without resorting to criminality.

CCCP

oscarBravo wrote: »

If a brick was thrown through his window? It's OK, nobody was attacked. If his car was burnt out? It's OK, nobody was attacked.

It's criminal damage. It's not the right way to protest. Protest at the ballot box where it will really hurt.

I don't condone violence or mindless vandalism but the government brought this on themselves.

oscarBravo

Haddockman wrote: »

That option is not available at present.

It will be available in a couple of months, at best. Beyond catharsis and criminal damage, what is achieved by graffiti?

oscarBravo

CCCP wrote: »

When the government makes sure that by-elections are delayed and does not call a general election when its clearly what the vast majority of people want then they have usurped the power of the Irish Democracy, This creates a dictatorship and dictatorships need to be brought down if democracy is to be restored.

I suggest you re-read Bunreacht. You seem to be unfamiliar with how our political system works.

If you don't like how it works, vote for candidates who will change it.

I ask again: what will criminal damage achieve?

20Cent

oscarBravo wrote: »

I suggest you re-read Bunreacht. You seem to be unfamiliar with how our political system works.

If you don't like how it works, vote for candidates who will change it.

I ask again: what will criminal damage achieve?

It shows the anger out there. Maybe a few more FF will jump ship an this obscene budget will not pass. Hopefully.

Achieve more than posting on the internet or writing letters.

jmayo

Mister men wrote: »

It's a reality. No fairness towards the people will always end badly.

Does anyone seriously think that what our so called government has done would have been tolerated this long in any other country in the western world ? :rolleyes:
FFS if these people had governed France they would have to live in exile. :rolleyes:

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

It may be a reality for some bizarre people, but not the majority. There are certain groups who are engaging in these below-the-belt tactics and it is something which sickens most people. You will not find the majority of people in the republic do not want these mob-actions.

I believe that the poster means that the reality is that some people are going to actually attack them and not just reprimand then through some mildmanered punishment of not voting for them.

And before anyone accuses me of being Eirgi or SF or raving loonies against this or that, I am not.
But I am extermly angry that a party has managed to destroy the country economically for the gain of themselves and their supporters.
Not alone have they destroyed the country's banking system and it's economy, they have also severily threatened the country's democractic institutions and the costs of their failures will have disastrous long term consequences for the social fabric of this society.

Lots of people here call for a new order and they want to see the end of the likes of ff.
Well to achieve that we need to see the end of the cancerous ff and if that means we challenge their lies, we challenge their spin and we
harry them until they can spin no more, then so be it.

I can really understand why someone would lash out at them.
ffers don't get mild rebukes, they don't get shame, they don't get responsibility, they don't do accountability.
They lose in one election only to be back in the next.

I know I will find it very difficult not to dump the contents of my toddler's nappies over them if they call at my door.
They deserve no better.

You can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs, in this case the eggs are rotten and are ff.
They must be destroyed once and for all so that other politicans and indeed anybody in positions of power learn this type of sh*teology can never be allowed happen again.

oscarBravo

20Cent wrote: »

It shows the anger out there. Maybe a few more FF will jump ship an this obscene budget will not pass. Hopefully.

I doubt it. The only thing a politician fears is failure to get elected. Illiterate hooligans tend not to vote anyway.

20Cent

oscarBravo wrote: »

I doubt it. The only thing a politician fears is failure to get elected. Illiterate hooligans tend not to vote anyway.

Its pretty close to not passing already. Expressions of anger have had a part to play in this.

oscarBravo

20Cent wrote: »

Its pretty close to not passing already. Expressions of anger have had a part to play in this.

Maybe. I'm willing to wager that a fear of failure to be re-elected had a much bigger part to play.

dolphin city

k_mac wrote: »

Anyone who can only make their point by throwing a brick through a window is a moron and doesn't deserve a vote. There are plenty of ways to get a point across without resorting to criminality.

well the people DID try to get their point across during the last vote by voting no, and did they respect that - no, they said "ye will do it till ye give us the answer we want"

so can you tell me any other ways that have succeeded recently. Have the people been listened to - no. In fact they were told that we hadn't a clue what was going on - we were treated like imbeciles. so please enlighten people since you seem to have some ideas there that haven't been tried yet.

dolphin city

oscarBravo wrote: »

I suggest you re-read Bunreacht. You seem to be unfamiliar with how our political system works.

If you don't like how it works, vote for candidates who will change it.

I ask again: what will criminal damage achieve?

attention to what they have done to us for one thing. You want people to sit nicely while they get plundered?

oscarBravo

dolphin city wrote: »

well the people DID try to get their point across during the last vote by voting no, and did they respect that - no, they said "ye will do it till ye give us the answer we want"

I'm having trouble following your logic. You're saying that criminal damage is a legitimate action because you had to vote in two referenda on the same treaty?

How many politicians stood to lose their jobs from a "no" vote to Lisbon? How many stand to lose their jobs in a general election?

Criminal damage is the last resort of the mindless hooligan. Using referenda to defend it just defies logic.

oscarBravo

dolphin city wrote: »

attention to what they have done to us for one thing. You want people to sit nicely while they get plundered?

No, I want them to do something legal and constructive, like voting for someone different.

dolphin city

oscarBravo wrote: »

No, I want them to do something legal and constructive, like voting for someone different.

as I said, the last democratic vote by the people, in fact the last TWO democratic votes by the people were ignored - we were told to go away and do it again. Can you not remember that?

The people need someone to vote for - anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows that voting for FG is no different than leaving the yobbo's that are in there already. We need a new type of politics - if it takes doing this to get the message across then so be it. and just so you know, putting graffiti on a premises is a far cry from the REAL criminal activity going on in this country for which there is no arrests, blame attached. People need to wake up and smell the sh*t and not go mad about a bit of graffiti protest.

The Waltzing Consumer

dolphin city wrote: »

well the people DID try to get their point across during the last vote by voting no, and did they respect that - no, they said "ye will do it till ye give us the answer we want"

so can you tell me any other ways that have succeeded recently. Have the people been listened to - no. In fact they were told that we hadn't a clue what was going on - we were treated like imbeciles. so please enlighten people since you seem to have some ideas there that haven't been tried yet.

You are using the Lisbon treaty as an excuse now? Talk about moving the goalposts.

If you want to argue that politicians are not listening to you, then vote for your guys, but hey, what is this? The vast majority of the country do not vote for SWP/SP/Eirigi/SF and yet those parties keep ignoring the very obvious will of 95%+ of the people and pretend they have some legitimacy with the voters.

It is complete hypocrisy

The Saint

oscarBravo wrote: »

I suggest you re-read Bunreacht. You seem to be unfamiliar with how our political system works.

If you don't like how it works, vote for candidates who will change it.

While I do not condone this action, it is a pretty bad indictment of our democracy if it entails showing up to the polls every five years, casting a vote, waiting until the next election and in the meantime be damned. To me this is not the signs of a functional democracy.

dolphin city

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

You are using the Lisbon treaty as an excuse now? Talk about moving the goalposts.

If you want to argue that politicians are not listening to you, then vote for your guys, but hey, what is this? The vast majority of the country do not vote for SWP/SP/Eirigi/SF and yet those parties keep ignoring the very obvious will of 95%+ of the people and pretend they have some legitimacy with the voters.

It is complete hypocrisy

oh ya, lets forget about the lisbon treaty :D:D are you for real?? maybe you would like us to forget about it because it blatently shows how our so called democrativ government was treating us. or it doesn't blend in with your other non-sensical posts.

The Waltzing Consumer

dolphin city wrote: »

oh ya, lets forget about the lisbon treaty :D:D are you for real??

Hey, I voted no.

If this is all about Lisbon, why were they not vandalising offices after the treaty?

The logic in your argument does not make sense. You say the public are being ignored, unfortunely, that is not true. We live in a democracy so majority counts. People could vote for who they liked in 2007, they could vote how they liked in Lisbon 1 and Lisbon 2. So your argument means nothing. If you do not like it, vote for someone who will change it. But hey, these nutjob groups are time and time again rejected overwhelmingly by the electorate. If you do not like democracy, go somewhere else.

I think the only reason these groups are resorting to violence and vandalism is because they know they will get overwhelmingily rejected in the next election again, and the one after that. They are failed parties with failed policies like FF and they have as much respect for the public as FF do, zero!

yahoo_moe

oscarBravo wrote: »

No, I want them to do something legal and constructive, like voting for someone different.

But that would require a bit of thought and engagement with democracy... far easier to just start spray-painting or forcing the gates of the Dail...

20Cent wrote: »

It shows the anger out there. Maybe a few more FF will jump ship an this obscene budget will not pass. Hopefully.

Achieve more than posting on the internet or writing letters.

Oh the irony. Sorry, couldn't help but giggle at that.