Nissan GTR???

fonecrusher1

Quick question. Is the nissan gtr actually available in this country or not?

I can't find one on donedeal or carzone.

dcr22B

I know an ex-car dealer in Lusk who would have sold his a year or so ago and it was for sale on his website.

dpe

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Quick question. Is the nissan gtr actually available in this country or not?

I can't find one on donedeal or carzone.

No. But when a 370Z costs 60 grand here, that's not that surprising. I've only seen one GT-R on the road here and that was definitely a Japanese import.

There were 5 or 6 up on carzone at one stage, all jap import ones I would imagine. They were all around the 120k euro mark I think.

I'm sure if you went into a Nissan dealer with the cash they would order one for you.

edit: http://www.carzone.ie/search/Nissan/GT-R/3.8-twin/201045200149863/advert?channel=CARS

fonecrusher1

Kathleen Wailing Kite wrote: »

There were 5 or 6 up on carzone at one stage, all jap import ones I would imagine. They were all around the 120k euro mark I think.

I'm sure if you went into a Nissan dealer with the cash they would order one for you.

Ah jebus, i wish!:o Nah the only reason im asking is having looked at the thread about the new audi rs3 which will retail for about 65k when released here. Whats the most you could get for that sort of money in the form of a performance car. I was just wondering how much a 2 year old GTR would set you back. Just wondering would it be near about 65k.

In england a new gtr is 60k sterling which is 70k euro. So say you could get a new gtr here it would be about 90k euro? So would you maybe get an early model for around the 65k mark.

dpe

I reckon 90K for a new GT-R is wildly optimistic. An Audi S5 costs 90 grand here (not an RS5, an S5), v. approx 45K sterling in the UK; so my guess would be 120K+ for the GT-R. The Irish car industry rapes its customers, hand-in-hand with customs (and the illegal VRT charge).

Atomic Pineapple

Second hand GTR's, the very few that are here were changing hands for around €80k last time I looked.

fonecrusher1

draffodx wrote: »

Second hand GTR's, the very few that are here were changing hands for around €80k last time I looked.

Specifically 2 year old cars? or 2009's?

Atomic Pineapple

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Specifically 2 year old cars? or 2009's?

2008 if Irecall correctly, a user called Shane(I think??) had a massive thread on here awhile back about getting a performance car and the info should be in that thread

EPM

Remember a few under a year old going for ~€100k a while back. Maybe the overstretched developers bought them all up so they can say I only drive a Nissan?

Marcusm

I live in London; a friend of mine here had one before he moved to the US (and is thinking about getting another one). If you're thinking of getting one, make sure you find someone who can service it first. He got to the point (in 8 months of ownership) that he preferred to send it to Liverpool to have the fluids changed and he had to change them about 3 times.

Granted, some of these were as a result of high speed driving in Germany - not tracks but high speed roads like the Nurburgring (it's not officially a track to ensure that insurance is not invalidated!). Warranties etc invalidated if the fluids aren't changed to spec - some triggered by driving in excess of 140mph or similar.

Otherwise, have to say that I found it an uncomfortable car to drive around in, Constantly fighting to keep it within city speed limits.

TheBazman

EP Mooneys on the Naas road were supposed to be the only main dealer in the country for them but then they went into liquidation. I spoke to the salesman about the GTR when they were new but his lack of knowledge was almost embarrassing.

RedorDead

dpe wrote: »

I reckon 90K for a new GT-R is wildly optimistic. An Audi S5 costs 90 grand here (not an RS5, an S5), v. approx 45K sterling in the UK; so my guess would be 120K+ for the GT-R. The Irish car industry rapes its customers, hand-in-hand with customs (and the illegal VRT charge).

Lazy lazy - do your homework.

Costs from €70,705. RS5 from €102,800

http://www.audi.ie/etc/medialib/ngw/ie/product_guides.Par.0048.File.pdf/product_guide_a5_sb.pdf

draffodx

draffodx wrote: »

Second hand GTR's, the very few that are here were changing hands for around €80k last time I looked.

Id say if you offered 65k for the one I linked to, your hand would be taken along with it

Atomic Pineapple

Kathleen Wailing Kite wrote: »

Id say if you offered 65k for the one I linked to, your hand would be taken along with it

hhhmm....left or right kidney?

dpe

RedorDead wrote: »

Lazy lazy - do your homework.

Costs from €70,705. RS5 from €102,800

http://www.audi.ie/etc/medialib/ngw/ie/product_guides.Par.0048.File.pdf/product_guide_a5_sb.pdf

I did!

http://www.audi.ie/etc/medialib/ngw/ie/misc.Par.0026.File.pdf/pricelist.pdf
(page 4 - S5 4.2 FSI V8 354HP € 94,310)

Notch000

i believe the GTR retails for around 40K new in japan

Atlantic Dawn

Here's a 2009 one on ebay for £46,000 (€53,859.74), VRT is working out at €32209 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2009-NISSAN-GT-R-GTR-BLACK-EDITION-SILVER-FSH-FSH-MINT-/270667886840?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3f051030f8

You would probably end up in NAMA shortly after insuring it

unkel

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

In england a new gtr is 60k sterling which is 70k euro. So say you could get a new gtr here it would be about 90k euro?

A bit optimistic

As a first guess I've found the "double the sterling" to work quite well for higher end cars. £60k would probably mean about €120k here...

Edit: quick calculation shows that at €120k minus €43k VRT (36%) equals €77k, which is close enough to the €70k you mention as the direct exchange rate if you take into account the higher VAT over here too. Handy rule of thumb this is

waxon-waxoff

Theres a black one parked outside Trinity college Pearse st entrance regularly. Its a black 2008.



Im not into them though, i think they look bland for a car with nearly 500bhp and costing over 100k new. Just my two cents.......

fonecrusher1

unkel wrote: »

A bit optimistic

As a first guess I've found the "double the sterling" to work quite well for higher end cars. £60k would probably mean about €120k here...

Edit: quick calculation shows that at €120k minus €43k VRT (36%) equals €77k, which is close enough to the €70k you mention as the direct exchange rate if you take into account the higher VAT over here too. Handy rule of thumb this is

Aye its a bit wacky alright.

Certain prestige cars here can be up to a 3rd more expensive than the uk price.:pac::rolleyes:

amacachi

waxon-waxoff wrote: »

Theres a black one parked outside Trinity college Pearse st entrance regularly. Its a black 2008.



Im not into them though, i think they look bland for a car with nearly 500bhp and costing over 100k new. Just my two cents.......

Saw that a few times myself, the inside doesn't look very nice at all.

unkel

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Certain prestige cars here can be up to a 3rd more expensive than the uk price.:pac::rolleyes:

Nearly twice the price you can see from my calculation

waxon-waxoff

waxon-waxoff wrote: »

Theres a black one parked outside Trinity college Pearse st entrance regularly. Its a black 2008.



Im not into them though, i think they look bland for a car with nearly 500bhp and costing over 100k new. Just my two cents.......

Personally I really like the look of them I have to say.

Atomic Pineapple

Kathleen Wailing Kite wrote: »

Personally I really like the look of them I have to say.

Me too, not an all out flash "look at me" style.

dpe

OSI wrote: »

The S5 coupe is the most expensive one at €94,310. You can get a cabriolet for €81,700 or the Sportback, which is what I'm assuming RedorDead was referring to starts at €70,705.

But TBH the only one that even comes close to a GTR is the coupe.

I was comparing like with like. The problem is that the S5 nomenclature is a bit confusing; the Sportback and Cabrio are V6 turbos, the Coupe is a V8, and I was comparing the S5 coupe with the RS5 coupe.

Theboinkmaster

I don't think they're worth it at all, I'd prefer an m3

Atomic Pineapple

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I don't think they're worth it at all, I'd prefer an m3

Ah yes the lure of that badge that is ever so important!

Squall19

I saw one of these go for under 50k on donedeal recently.

08 Jaguar XKR 420bhp supercharged V8

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201039199678420

Class machine imo with a very tuneable engine.Car sites make the XKR every bit as quick as a DB9 and quicker than a V8 Vantage.

Throw 2000e at it and you have 500bhp+, maybe it wont match a gtr from a launch but mid range it would be extremely close.

Shane732

draffodx wrote: »

2008 if Irecall correctly, a user called Shane(I think??) had a massive thread on here awhile back about getting a performance car and the info should be in that thread

You'd clear a 2009 GTR for about €80k at an absolute minimum. That would be doing very well on the deal.

The 08 model is a Jap car and there's no way to translate them into English so unless you're fluent then it's not really an option.

Last time I checked the VRT on an 09 was coming out at about €35k alone!

The 08 GTR for sale here is actually good value when you look at what you'd spend on getting one in from the UK.

Serious running costs though. You're talking like equivalent of Ferrari running costs. Out of anything I've looked at in that range the projected costs are just insane.

Shane732

dpe wrote: »

No. But when a 370Z costs 60 grand here, that's not that surprising. I've only seen one GT-R on the road here and that was definitely a Japanese import.

370Z is €52k new. Clonee motors were selling a grey coupe version for €52k.

Shane732

dpe wrote: »

I reckon 90K for a new GT-R is wildly optimistic. An Audi S5 costs 90 grand here (not an RS5, an S5), v. approx 45K sterling in the UK; so my guess would be 120K+ for the GT-R. The Irish car industry rapes its customers, hand-in-hand with customs (and the illegal VRT charge).

Not a chance of getting a new one here for €90K. €120 - 130k would be closer to reality.

Absurdum

Hutton and Meade used to advertise them as being available through them, I don't see them on their site anymore.

Theboinkmaster

draffodx wrote: »

Ah yes the lure of that badge that is ever so important!

Nothing to do with the badge mate, whatever about the performance i think they look crap and the interior is awful IMO. Certainly not worth the price when compare to the m3

djimi

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Nothing to do with the badge mate, whatever about the performance i think they look crap and the interior is awful IMO. Certainly not worth the price when compare to the m3

Performance over asthetics anyday!

Atomic Pineapple

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Nothing to do with the badge mate, whatever about the performance i think they look crap and the interior is awful IMO. Certainly not worth the price when compare to the m3

An M3 interior isn't much better, as if anyone buying a car like an M3 or a GTR should car about the interior anyway, GTR trumps an M3 in performance thats all that matters.

Squall19

draffodx wrote: »

An M3 interior isn't much better, as if anyone buying a car like an M3 or a GTR should car about the interior anyway, GTR trumps an M3 in performance thats all that matters.

I dont know about that, the new m3 evo is very quick.

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=Car&carID=201035199400269&message=You%20searched%20for%3A%20BMW%20M3%2C%20Coupe%2C%20Oldest%3A%202010%2C%20Petrol%20Only%2E%20Your%20search%20returned%20one%20vehicle%2C%20which%20is%20shown%20below%2E&CFID=37871125&CFTOKEN=59970456

635bhp M3 is an animal:D

Straight line the m3 will win. around a track I dont know

Gtr will get its ass handed to it.

That M3 will awesome in gear acceleration.

Paparazzo

unkel wrote: »

Nearly twice the price you can see from my calculation

Yeah, I remember last year I priced a few sports cars on uk and Ireland sites, we always worked out around double the price. Sickening

Theboinkmaster

draffodx wrote: »

An M3 interior isn't much better, as if anyone buying a car like an M3 or a GTR should car about the interior anyway, GTR trumps an M3 in performance thats all that matters.

that's fair enough we'll agree to disagree - i know a few people who have such cars and they want a combination of both performance and comfort, and IMO the m3 is a good balance of both. And alot cheaper than the GTR.

Also i prefer the styling of the m3 over the GTR but that's just my personal taste.

Shane732

draffodx wrote: »

An M3 interior isn't much better, as if anyone buying a car like an M3 or a GTR should car about the interior anyway, GTR trumps an M3 in performance thats all that matters.

In fairness if I'm buying a car that I going to use as my daily drive then I want something that has a nice interior and personally I feel that's were the GTR falls down.

I've driven a few GTR's and I really think the interior does let the car down. Don't get me wrong it's an amazing car to drive - absolutely mind blowing but the interior does let it down.

Comparing an M3 and a GTR just isn't comparing like with like. Overall the M3 just isn't in the same league as the GTR (& I'm a BMW lover!). However, I do think the M3 interior would win.

For those of you who think the GTR is expensive - it actually isn't when you look at what you're getting in terms of performance... The GTR is basically a supercar. It's one of the fastest production cars around and will hold it's own against pretty much anything out there.

You look at an M3, S/RS Audi, 911 or anything else along those lines and the GTR just blows them away. The M3 etc.. are aimed towards the well to do who like to have some power at their the disposal. The GTR is just up another level.

The GTR even beats the likes of a Zonda!

Unfortunately the current capitalised value of BOI wouldn't be enough to cover the costs of running one!!

Lex Luthor

there was a 08 GTR on carzone not so long ago for €80k. I'd have one in a flash

Drummerboy08

AFAIK, any Nissan dealer can order a new one. It is a very, very special order though.

In relation to servicing, there is only one guy I know who'd probably be qualified enough to do the work, he's been to Japan several times with Nissan and has won technician competitions globally with them.

Shane732

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

that's fair enough we'll agree to disagree - i know a few people who have such cars and they want a combination of both performance and comfort, and IMO the m3 is a good balance of both. And alot cheaper than the GTR.

Also i prefer the styling of the m3 over the GTR but that's just my personal taste.

The M3 isn't a whole lot cheaper than the GTR. A M3 will easily set you back €110K by the time you have the extras you want on it (just did one up on the BMW website and I got it up to €135k!!! ). Not sure on the exact price of the GTR new but as I said earlier in the thread I'd imagine it's somewhere between 120 - 130k.

So really €10-20k of a difference, sure what's that between friends?!

Lex Luthor

Lex Luthor wrote: »

there was a 08 GTR on carzone not so long ago for €80k. I'd have one in a flash

I stand corrected...one on there now for €73k

unkel

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Its a shame that the GTR has a soft gearbox, their are lots of people that have had heaps of issues with the gearbox.

Yeah and using launch control invalidates your warranty :rolleyes:

fonecrusher1

Shane732 wrote: »

Unfortunately the current capitalised value of BOI wouldn't be enough to cover the costs of running one!!

To be honest running a 480bhp semi-supercar is never going to return normal running costs.

On the m3 v's gtr issue. Personally i don't think the m3 is a special enough looking car for what you pay. Is it exclusive looking? Hardly, sure from a distance it would be tricky to tell the difference between a m3 & a 320??!!! Thats kind of depressing considering they'll set you back about 100k!!! It may not be pretty (neither is the m3) but a gtr is a gtr & theres no mistaking it with anything else.
Also surely the running costs of an m3 aren't far behind the gtr. As for the interior this really is the only area of debate i will concede the m3 looks like a nicer place to sit. But is that reason to pick it over the gtr? I don't think so.

Ok the gtr is 15/20k more expensive but it puts out supercar stats in all fairness. As already said it could probably hold its own against mega-money hypercars on a track.

Atomic Pineapple

LIGHTNING wrote: »

That I think its shocking, how you can sell a product with a feature that invalidates your warranty?

Sure Ferrari sell a car that your not even allowed to drive on public roads

Matt Simis

LIGHTNING wrote: »

That I think its shocking, how you can sell a product with a feature that invalidates your warranty?

I thought it was repeated use of LC and before the TCU firmware update.. the latest version is slightly slower but doesnt have the warranty gotcha. I think..

To put it another way, if I bought a Manual e60 M5 (USA only!) and burnt the clutch out in 6mths, do you think BMW would buy me a new Clutch and Flywheel as they market the car as a super sports saloon and have lots of imagery and video of clutch dropping burnouts? I dont think they would. This just happens to a be a more expensive and complicated box, but being rough on the mechanics of the car is never supported.

Matt Simis

LIGHTNING wrote: »

If your burning out the clutch then thats your problem. Advertising a car with a feature that in order to get the said feature invalidates your warranty is a different thing altogether.

Eh... but if you read my post you will see that they updated the Software on the TCU and fully warranty it now with the "new" Launch control that works with VDC. This is a non-issue and is perpetuated on non-Marque specific forums.
The only time you may have a warranty issue is if you turn off VDC and purposely hold the tranny to 4500 rpm and Launch. Which is something you cannot "accidentally" do, they said its bad for the car and its not a "feature". This is in writing in the Manual and when you buy the car. You choose to disable all these systems and push the car harder than allowed.

AFAIK, they also never outright confirmed that old Software + LC = No Warranty, that was an allegation from Forum users talking to individual Nissan garages.

http://www.exoticsandluxury.com/warranty-voided-gtr-launch-control-warranty-safe


Also, it wasnt like the car was marketed as the "GTR with Launch Control*", LC was a feature hidden away (and had a disclaimer).

unkel

Matt Simis wrote: »

Also, it wasnt like the car was marketed as the "GTR with Launch Control*", LC was a feature hidden away (and had a disclaimer).

The official 0-100km/h acceleration figures were based on using LC afaik?

Also I haven't heard of any other mainstream car where using launch control invalidates your warranty?

Matt Simis

Guys thats true and I agree its a sucky situation... but to get official 0-60 on any performance Manual Transmission car you have drive in a way I would consider damaging to the Clutch / FW. So that argument, IMO, is not unique to the GTR, its just more transparent as LC is a toggle in a menu.

And as noted, you are advised against using it in the manual, dealership etc. From skimming GTR forums, 70-100 LC launches are the norm before you get the Transaxle failure message, so again, even with all these warnings you have to ignore them nearly 100 times (on average) to actually cause this damage. Which you make you a complete tool.

Storm in a teacup, the GTR tranny isnt "soft" at all, its just prone to driver abuse, its ease to drive invites it.


PS: The 0-60 times were updated with the new Warrantied LC, so again, this is all kinda null and void now anyhow.