CI Racing Calendar available yet?

chakattack

I got an excel version of the cycling ireland racing/touring calendar from a link someone posted here last year.

Any know if there is a 2011 version yet?

Thanks

RobFowl

It still the draft calendar but probably won't change too much.

http://www.cyclingireland.ie/Home/News/Calendar-Draft.aspx

Diarmuid

Digging this thread up to add the link to the ics calendar from CI. You should be able to add this to your Google Calendar or whatever you use

GlennaMaddy

No Phoenix Park races this year :-(

Lumen

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

No Phoenix Park races this year :-(

The Phoenix Park calendar is probably crammed full of commerically run "participatory sport" events for tri-dorks and the like.

Down with this sort of thing.

Chips Lovell

That link no longer seems to work. Anyone have a new one?

morana

try this http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fcalendar%2Fhosted%2Fcyclingireland.net%2Fembed%3Fsrc%3Droad%2540cyclingireland.net%26ctz%3DEurope%2FDublin&sa=D&usg=AFQjCNHCljMb748JQC5GadYzQdg0HeZMug

There will be no park races this year. The new circuit by St Marys was ruled out because of people trying to access the Hospital. The mainroad circuit had some changes to the layout afaik.

Pigeon Reaper

On the subject of dates does anyone know when/f the cyclocross race in St Annes is happening this year

GlennaMaddy

Cyclocross season is finished?
The race in St Annes around this time last was a postponement (mid Jan 2009 IIRC), it was the national champs (the 2010 edition were held in Lurgan about 2 weeks ago -in 2011 if you get me)

GlennaMaddy

el tonto wrote: »

That link no longer seems to work. Anyone have a new one?

Usual cyclingireland "now you see it now you don't". The Google calendar is handy but doesn't really tell you about catagories (which is important if you're A4/U16/U14). Maybe the 'Master' will be published soon, the previous version was 'Draft'

Chips Lovell

Yep, the old Excel Calendar from last year was better. Much easier to see which races were in Leinster, Munster etc.

Chips Lovell

Just realised though I can import that into my own Google Calendar. That's one plus

morana

Big health warning with this...not final still draft...

dave2pvd

If I'm being thick, please excuse me. Here goes:

Why are people posting up looking for the calendar? It's on the CI site, right?

Chips Lovell

Twas the Excel calendar I was looking for originally

Home:Ballyhoura

Any final master calender to be seen yet? Just doing a bit of year planning and noticing some major differences between the 2011 draft and the google calender on Cycling Ireland.

Would love to see the actual one, so far not sure if Ras Connachta is on the 26th and 27th of March or the 2nd & 3rd of Arpil.....also if the Edge Sports Classic is on the 20th of March or the 10th of April.

I know I could contact the clubs organising them but I've only gone through one month of the racing calendar so that would be a lot of emails and it would be nicer to have it all on one accurate calendar!!

Thanks in advance

High Nellie

Home:Ballyhoura wrote: »

Would love to see the actual one, so far not sure if Ras Connachta is on the 26th and 27th of March or the 2nd & 3rd of Arpil.....also if the Edge Sports Classic is on the 20th of March or the 10th of April.

Having events down for two days is only a minor matter surely and not very challenging - you have a 50% chance of getting it right.

There's a much more interesting mystery 'Munster League' on the CI calendar for March 13th.

Knowing the location would be useful - even the county!

It gives a name to contact, but no contact details such as a phone no!

But then it wouldn't be a mystery any more if they gave too many details.

Maybe it's some kind of CI fun competition - 'guess where the race is'.
Hold on - there a 'more details' button as well ...... It's ok, that doesn't spoil the fun - just directs you to a blank Google page of some kind.

So, any guesses as to where the March 13th mystery Munster League might be on.

And while we are at it, does anyone know anything about this 'Munster League' that starting so shortly?????

buffalo

High Nellie wrote: »

Having events down for two days is only a minor matter surely and not very challenging - you have a 50% chance of getting it right.

There's a much more interesting mystery 'Munster League' on the CI calendar for March 13th.

Knowing the location would be useful - even the county!

It gives a name to contact, but no contact details such as a phone no!

Contact details for Dan Curtin (along with many others) are available here: http://cyclingireland.servasport.com/html/site/cyclingireland/structure.jsp

Lumen

High Nellie, I think you need to get a room with morana and do whatever is necessary to exorcise your frustrations concerning Cycling Ireland.

:pac:

High Nellie

Thanks Lumen. I have no frustrations with Cycling Ireland per se - full of mostly good people doing their best like every organisation. But I have frustrations with:

1) trying to re-join CI annually and get a lisence
2) navigate their procedures (including website) to do both of above, and trying to understand why they remain the same, year after year.

Morana doesn't have to meet me to find out about these problems - they are well aired.

I could add trying to find out about events but that doesn't bother me. I'm just courious about this Munster League and would like to know more about it without having to ring some guy (whose number wasn't provided).

Raam

Surely it's up to the Munster League organisers to promote their own event and not Cycling Ireland.

Home:Ballyhoura

High Nellie wrote: »

Having events down for two days is only a minor matter surely and not very challenging - you have a 50% chance of getting it right.

Yes, well not so simple if there is another event on the same day and you need to organise lifts or send away race entries etc.

Munster league events were on the calender last year afaik and not much happened for them. Might be different this year though.

rattur

Aah, so I found the magical calendar:) I made a boards account only because of this thread to give my view as a foreigner who started racing in 2009 here.

I moved to Ireland in 2008 and I wanted to do my first race in 2009 and the emotions I was going through back then... I was between laughing and crying because of the system here and I though that I was:
a)in stoneage because nothing was available on-line
b)trying to enter a closed sport that was trying it's best to keep outsiders out of it.

Don't worry I've figured out how the system works, figured out some of the reasons behind it, come to terms with it and even found some things that are better than back home or Italy where I also did a few races while living there:) If I wouldn't have been as motivated as I was, I would have probably just given up though.

Finding races was the most difficult part so a few suggestions to make things easier for future newbies.
1. A calendar with all races of the season at the start of the year
2. Each entry should have race details and that already in February not a week before.
3. Race details should include race distance, categories, EXACT location, starting time, course description and preferably a map of the course with race profile.
4. Include MTB races in the calendar (they actually have even done most of the above!)

This is pretty basic information and I can't understand how race organizers can't make a website with that information, that CI could then link to in their calendar. It's 2011 and it takes 1 hour max! If race organizers can't make it happen, CI should do something themselves. I guess that every race has to be registred with CI before the start of the season? So why doesn't CI ask for race details when registering the event and put them in the calendar themselves? We have all of that + much much more since 2001...

I remember the first calendar I found had some entries that went literally like this: 6 August, Random Person memorial, contact Bob. and nothing else!!:D Now maybe that makes sense for some but it sure as hell didn't help me:D It was pretty depressing compared to a race website like this from home.

Now you may think I'm a smart-ass foreigner but I had a really hard time to figure everything out before I could do a race and I really believe that if the mess could be sorted out, the participant numbers would grow, meaning more sponsors, meaning better organized races and better visibility, meaning more racers, meaning... It's not really comparable but I was in the same position when I wanted to do some races in Italy and it was waaaay easier to figure everything out there, even though it was all in Italian...

Karl

Junior

Diggin this up, has anyone got a sportives calendar anywhere ?

Haldir

http://www.cyclingireland.ie/Home/Leisure/Calendar.aspx

The only problem is that its a complete mess and totally inaccurate. Dates, days and contact information for major events are all mixed up. CI have been told about this and hopefully they will do something about it when the licence pressure eases!

morana

I posted in another thread that one of the office staff is trying to clear it up asap. It should be done sooner rather than later.

@rattur I accept that for a foreign visitor to get the information is hard. I can tell you what races I will be doing in September even without a calendar. I also encountered this when I went to Flanders for a summer. anyway the calendar is usually posted in paper format at the AGM. I know thats no use to anybody but its then in draft format and posted online in a google calendar or for download in excel format from CI before the season starts. I distinctly recall that I was looking at the early season races in google calendar in January. The membership has increased by 45% last year. Thats partly due to the €10 introductory offer (btw it costs us €12 for each rider!).

you suggestions are excellent and we would like the whole organisation of the sport to be raised to a higher level including the description of races in the calendar. I will pass them onto the Road Commission who are responsible for the calendar.

ragazzo

QUOTE "I remember the first calendar I found had some entries that went literally like this: 6 August, Random Person memorial, contact Bob. and nothing else!! Now maybe that makes sense for some but it sure as hell didn't help me It was pretty depressing compared to a race website like this from home.

Now you may think I'm a smart-ass foreigner but I had a really hard time to figure everything out before I could do a race and I really believe that if the mess could be sorted out, the participant numbers would grow, meaning more sponsors, meaning better organized races and better visibility, meaning more racers, meaning... It's not really comparable but I was in the same position when I wanted to do some races in Italy and it was waaaay easier to figure everything out there, even though it was all in Italian..." Unquote

Whilst I agree with Rattur that finding information on some races can be difficult I also think that the promoting clubs website is a good place to start.
The CI calendar is based on information from race application forms received 6 months previous to the season start. This info can change for many reasons, ie closure of venue or roadworks etc. One should not rely solely on CI calendar or yearbook.

To compare Irish cycling with Italian cycling is, regardless of language used to communicate, not very helpful. Major sport in Italy- Fringe sport in Ireland.

Finally, CI does not organise races in Ireland. The various clubs throughout this country undertake that task. Volunteers work their asses off to keep the sport of cycle racing alive in this country. They are unpaid and mostly unthanked.
A comparison (by Rattur in previous post) between the professional sport events organiser in Estonia, with numerous employees, and local cycling clubs in Ireland with unpaid volunteers is at least unfair.
That organisation should be compared to the Rás or former Tour of Ireland as they might be on a similar level.

niceonetom

ragazzo wrote: »

Whilst I agree with Rattur that finding information on some races can be difficult I also think that the promoting clubs website is a good place to start.
The CI calendar is based on information from race application forms received 6 months previous to the season start. This info can change for many reasons, ie closure of venue or roadworks etc. One should not rely solely on CI calendar or yearbook.

That is simply unworkable.

How would anyone be able to answer the simple question: what races are on X weekend? Check every club site in the country until they find the one that is organising that weekend?

CI doesn't organise the races themselves, but it should serve as the central hub (if you will) for information between all clubs and riders. Clubs owe it to CI to keep them fully informed about races, and CI owe it to the wider racing population to pass this info on to us. Clubs do a great job of organising races, marshalling, etc. But part of that job has to be giving CI complete and accurate information in advance, and it seems a lot of clubs are failing to do this. The fact that races are run by volunteers doesn't make the frustration of those who simply can't find out what's the hell is going on any less real or important.

Cycling is not a "fringe" sport in Ireland. This is one of the busiest boards on boards, and that's an indication of something. There will be hundreds of people competing this weekend - it has grown way beyond the sort of notice-pinned-to-the-parish-bulletin-board saying "usual place, usual time" mentality that some of the old guard see as sufficient. That just doesn't work when 45% of CI members are new.

I'm very grateful for, and impressed by, Morana's openness and communication here. He seems to think that CI needs to better in some areas, and who are we to disagree?

Lumen

For me, there is a clear separation between the activities of effective race organisation and communication.

The organisation on the ground, dealing with logistical essentials like cars, routes, marshalls, and ambulances is almost always fantastic. The volunteers do a great job, and (I believe) are much appreciated even by the most cynical keyboard warriors on here, and almost every race report thread has plenty of thanks to the organisers.

The communication is necessarily treated as a secondary activity, and judged in isolation is pretty hopeless by 21st century standards. Cycling Ireland gets a lot of stick for this, some of which seems reasonable. The website, for instance, has been for some time a shameful pile of crap. There were a few threads on here about this last year, where people were completely unable to find even basic documentation or event information.

I completely understand the necessarily provisional nature of a lot of information about races. Things change, and some of the decisions cannot be made in advance as they're dependent on numbers of entrants, which under the current system is not known in advance.

However, I don't think it's some sort of futuristic fantasy to expect to be able to log on late on Friday before a weekend's racing and find out, definitively, what's on and where, what the route is and how many laps are planned for which cats.

This isn't technically difficult, and if clubs can't do it themselves then perhaps C.I. should do it for them, and if C.I. can't or won't do it they should work with technically-inclined volunteers (of which there are many) to get it done for them.

Last year there was a boardsie (hynesie) who started up the site racestarts.at to try and fill the information void. IMO it's a bit sad that people have to go to such lengths when we pay over €100 a year each to Cycling Ireland.

Additionally, C.I. should be "innovating" (in the most mild sense of the word, i.e. copying what has been done for years elsewhere and in other sports) in areas like electronic pre-registration. Why should race organisers have to deal with 300 people turning up unannounced on the day when many riders would be happy to register and pay well in advance?

It's not rocket science.

edit: having visited the C.I. office, seen the whiteboard and overheard some phone calls, I believe that C.I. are heavily involved with co-ordinating activities on the ground, maybe something which they don't get enough credit for. They don't just print a few licences and spend the rest on coke and hookers.

Raam

The CX guys have been doing online registration for a while.

ragazzo

tom,

that is the way it works at the moment. Check CI calendar and find appropriate race and then check promoting clubs website for full details. Also use irishcycling.com for details.

Cycle racing in this country is a minority sport compared to many other sports. How many spectators will attend the races this weekend and how many pages will race reports and photos take up in our national newspapers.
People posting messages on a boards.ie forum does not make it a major sport.

The membership of CI is mainly involved at club/leisure level and racing fixtures/calendars do not matter too much to them.

The Crunch

I read the CI handbook (when it arrives), double check with Irishcycling.com which gets me almost all the info I need and then, if I'm super excited about the race, I go to the club's website. There I get a phone number and if I still need more info I call someone.
To be honest, I don't think it's all that hard. What's wrong with talking to people? Club mates, organisers, promoting club personnel. I love the web but it seems to me that it's stopping some people from communicating, not helping them!
Mind you, the CI site needs a lot of work yet.

ragazzo

That makes a lot of sense to me Crunch.

Lumen

The Crunch wrote: »

I read the CI handbook (when it arrives), double check with Irishcycling.com which gets me almost all the info I need and then, if I'm super excited about the race, I go to the club's website. There I get a phone number and if I still need more info I call someone. To be honest, I don't think it's all that hard.

Quoted for absurdity.

Sure, why do we even need newspapers, radio or televsion? If I want to know what happened in the Dail I'll just go round and see my TD.

dave2pvd

Lumen wrote: »

Quoted for absurdity.

Sure, why do we even need newspapers, radio or televsion? If I want to know what happened in the Dail I'll just go round and see my TD.

Agreed.

Look, scrap the handbook. That's a relic of earlier times. (I still have one from 1989).

Have an online calendar that's up to date with links to promoters' websites or race pages. The promoters can each decide whether or not to have online reg. It's not hard.

There are 2 series here in Georgia. Here's an example of 1: GA Cup. All can be reg'd for online. Thorough race details are available for each race, once it comes close. Note: GA Cup is a single promoter. The other series is a calendar with links, which is about to be released. Each race is club-organized.

I do see season-long numbers being an impediment to easy online reg. It means each race promoter needs to get an up to date manifest from CI.

morana

I like this!

Would anybody be up for doing a state of the art calendar for next year. all online of course. I will try to get all the info from the road commission for the group. A template to organisers outlining what we want etc. I wont be a board member after this years agm but woiuld still do it if we had some others on board!

Regarding the year book we do a printed version but I think it should be a very minor run. Breaking News will be an ezine from now and this should allow us to focus more on the leisure end of things as well as the racers.

we also need to put in place a "rate my ride" type website to give feedback for organisers. Hopefully that will come on stream pretty soon and we will have an events entry system in place also.

anyway keep it coming its not being ignored.....:D

morana

Ok...so what do you need from a calendar

Race name
Date
Race sign on
contact person
entry fee

?????

nomadic

The road should really use MTB as a template. Race info is out well in advance on http://www.irishxcmtb.com/ (which isn't perfect but is adequate) and you can pre-reg. I know there's not as many MTB races to co-ordinate but surely its not rocket science to organise.

dave2pvd

morana wrote: »

Ok...so what do you need from a calendar

Race name
Date
Race sign on
contact person
entry fee

?????

I think you only need urls to each race website. Provide guidelines to each organizer as to what needs to be in the 'race bible'. Some of the content needs to be mandatory, some optional. Don't try to collate sign-on address, time and contact person info. That can come from the external content,

Don't do state of the art for now, embed a Google calendar. Then just about anyone in CI can modify/add to it. Aren't you already doing a Google calendar?

I was reluctant to use this as an example, as it is unfinished, but here is where the GCS listings are located.

Demote phone numbers to less accessed pages. Make full use of the internet for passing on info. If it's done right, no one needs to make phone calls.

Again, please stop printing information. When it comes to bike racing information, once the ink has dried, it's already out-of-date. This should be a cost savings to CI (you can convert those paper-based ads to web-based).

For feedback, use a forum (what a concept, right? ). For yet another Google example, look here: GA Cross. Click on 'forum' on the left. It goes straight to a google forum - can't recall if login is req'd or not.

I'm not saying things over here, in this corner of the States, is the way to go. It's just an example. We have our problems, every year. There's politics, every year. But info is definitely easy to find.

niceonetom

What nonsense is this?

ragazzo wrote: »

that is the way it works at the moment. Check CI calendar and find appropriate race and then check promoting clubs website for full details. Also use irishcycling.com for details.

No, that's the way it fails to work at the moment. There's conflicting dates, missing info and links to dead sites. If your argument is 'if it ain't broke then don't fix it' well, sorry, but it is broke. Let's fix it.

irishcycling.com is a commercial site and has nothing to do with CI or this thread. We don't pay them anything - we do pay CI though.

CI sanction these events, they should know and where they take place. And they should be able to tell us.

ragazzo wrote: »

Cycle racing in this country is a minority sport compared to many other sports. How many spectators will attend the races this weekend and how many pages will race reports and photos take up in our national newspapers.
People posting messages on a boards.ie forum does not make it a major sport.

I'm also fairly sick of this attitude that seeing cycling as a tiny niche pursuit. It's not. Ultimate frisbee is a niche sport, cycling is big enough to draw hundreds of competitors. Just because we're not the GAA does not give us all permission to be rubbish. It doesn't need to be a "major sport" for participants to deserve to be kept informed.

ragazzo wrote: »

The membership of CI is mainly involved at club/leisure level and racing fixtures/calendars do not matter too much to them.

Well, they should matter to them.

The Crunch wrote: »

I read the CI handbook (when it arrives), double check with Irishcycling.com which gets me almost all the info I need and then, if I'm super excited about the race, I go to the club's website. There I get a phone number and if I still need more info I call someone.
To be honest, I don't think it's all that hard. What's wrong with talking to people? Club mates, organisers, promoting club personnel. I love the web but it seems to me that it's stopping some people from communicating, not helping them!
Mind you, the CI site needs a lot of work yet.

Could those advocating a return to the 1980s please refrain from doing so on the internet. The ridiculousness is too much for me.

I'm really stuggling to see the argument some people are making here. CI should not feel the need to provide accurate and up-to-date details of the races it sanctions because...

...ignorance and word-of-mouth was good enough for the boy Kelly, it's good enough for you lot... ???

...the internet is so impersonal. We should all just exchange phone numbers... ???

...sure cycling is so small we all know each other all ready. What do mean "new people"? ???

Honestly, I can't see any sensible reason for not wanting a master race calendar that clubs and CI must keep up to date.

Anyway, it's all moot as CI themselves, or at least Morana (again, great job here), do see the value of it.

If I could I have every club organising a race have to fill in a form that detailed,

Date
Location
Cats catered for and whether the intention is to run separate races or CP
Distances
Map of circuit (I expect some to take exception to this one, googlemaps has been around for years. Accept it.)
Contact phone
Contact email
Club Site

High Nellie

Make it as less complicated as possible.
One 'official' CI calendar on CI website with ESSENTIAL information at least - events and clubs to add links to their website for more info if they wish,

To add to previous post which suggested:

Race name
Date
Race sign on
contact person
entry fee

• Race name
• Venue (including county)
• Date
• Sign-on location
• Categories available: including length for each category and whether they are mixed or not.
• Time of sign-on and close.
• Time of event.
• Entry fee
• Prizes?
• Contact person (which shouldn't really be necessary if all the essential info is available)

Getting this info onto a website before the season should not be complicated but it seems that it is for some reason.
Perhaps CI shouldn't sancion events unless this info is provided by some stipulated time in advance. If clubs can't organise even this basic stuff maybe they don't have the organisational ability to run a good and safe event.
After this essential info, clubs could have a link to whatever other info they have. This will depent on sophistication and organisation of clubs - route profiles etc etc.
Most racers committ huge effort, time and money to the sport and the way the calendar is presented does not do their efforts justice.

rattur

Good stuff!

I really like the attitude of Morana and others here who see the need for some changes and do realize how little effort is actually required to make those. Keep it going!

My example from a big race in Estonia was obviously not totally comparable but it's not like they started out big! I know how much effort organizing a race takes and my respect to those who do that but if you've done the hard part then putting up basic information about the race shouldn't be that difficult! It's like giving up 500m from the finish... I'm pretty sure that some of the volunteers looking after the traffic work in marketing, digital agencies, etc and they could be used much more effectively (build a website and promote it) leading to an actual revenue stream for the organizers for which they could pay people to sort out the traffic etc meaning these guys would be able to take part in the race as well...

morana

Ok I will talk to the CEO on Monday about this and see what we can try do. We do use Google Calendar for the events and it can be accessed fromthe CI website but I do agree maybe we should do it better.

Relying on the Race organisers isnt going to work to be honest they willcomplain they have enough on their plates with the additional stuff such as the safety statement that they have to do.

Anyway, I will see how we get on with the good stuff that we have tossed about here....


Enjoy the racing at the weekend!!! Lets hope I win ...at least 1 race:D

High Nellie

morana wrote: »

..... they will complain they have enough on their plates with the additional stuff such as the safety statement that they have to do.

That 'excuse' doesn't hold water. Writing / typing out the essential information suggested would take about 5 min. Certainly no more than 10.

dave2pvd

High Nellie wrote: »

That 'excuse' doesn't hold water. Writing / typing out the essential information suggested would take about 5 min. Certainly no more than 10.

Surely they can put up some info on a webpage??? It can even be a Facebook page. Jaysus, anyone's 11 year old can do that.

Failing that, well, put someone's phone number on there. It's primitive, but if all else fails....

Pat Kavanagh

morana wrote: »

I like this!

Would anybody be up for doing a state of the art calendar for next year. all online of course. I will try to get all the info from the road commission for the group. A template to organisers outlining what we want etc. I wont be a board member after this years agm but woiuld still do it if we had some others on board!

Regarding the year book we do a printed version but I think it should be a very minor run. Breaking News will be an ezine from now and this should allow us to focus more on the leisure end of things as well as the racers.

we also need to put in place a "rate my ride" type website to give feedback for organisers. Hopefully that will come on stream pretty soon and we will have an events entry system in place also.

anyway keep it coming its not being ignored.....:D

'Would anybody be up for doing a state of the art calendar for next year.' - I though CI paid a lot of money for a 'state of the art website'. Is this going to be yet another 'state of the art' calendar, or a fix on the current one?
As for the 'rate my ride' thing - would ye not try to fix what ye have before embarking on any more innovations please? CI can't put together an effecient system for issuing lisences and for making good race info available to members. When that much is sorted, maybe then go ahead with the other bright ideas. Tinkering at the edgs won't fix it - it's obviously a systems/management problem. For a start, the website was poorly scoped - too much dynamic capacity which the organisation hasn't the capacity to keep refreshed.
I don't know what the system is for race promoters to submit info, but that needs to be looked at by someone who has experience in such systems development etc - not someone with another 'good idea'.

morana

Pat Kavanagh wrote: »

'Would anybody be up for doing a state of the art calendar for next year.' - I though CI paid a lot of money for a 'state of the art website'. Is this going to be yet another 'state of the art' calendar, or a fix on the current one?
As for the 'rate my ride' thing - would ye not try to fix what ye have before embarking on any more innovations please? CI can't put together an effecient system for issuing lisences and for making good race info available to members. When that much is sorted, maybe then go ahead with the other bright ideas. Tinkering at the edgs won't fix it - it's obviously a systems/management problem. For a start, the website was poorly scoped - too much dynamic capacity which the organisation hasn't the capacity to keep refreshed.
I don't know what the system is for race promoters to submit info, but that needs to be looked at by someone who has experience in such systems development etc - not someone with another 'good idea'.

Firstly I am a systems analyst by trade working for the Department of Ag as a Technical Architect. I am extremely well versed in delivering systems paying billions of euro out to the farming sector. So I am not somebody with another good idea. Secondly because of the **** up last year which was delevoped by a private sector company we have paid a minimal amount for the system. Do you think I would stand over any system that didnt deliver and then pay good money for it..

The system for issuing licences has had its problem but with 5000 issued before the racing season thats an improvement but its not upto the standard tthat we want to achieve. My suggestion was to get some of the good people here that have a genuine interest to assist on avoluntary basis to provide something that would be of value to the general membership outside of CI control! Again rate your ride could be done external to CI as a community based initative...why not it might be a good idea and might not...what can we lose.

What were your problems..send them to me and I will do my best to get them fixed... Now just to premept what you are gpoing to say about me being this and that and why do I accep the cutrrent system? Well I work with the HP unit for general HP issues testin, selection, feedback from teams etc as well as the new Development structure being put in place allied to this I have my normal work for the board. I train to be the best rider I can and I coach to make others the best riders they can be. So I cant give anymore. Now when I leave CI this year and if I am asked I would certainly consider doing it.

and Btw before you ask yes I do it for **** all!!!