SCAVAGING FOREST FLOOR

creaghadoos

i read somewhere one time that there is an old law that allows people to scavange the forest floor and collect old fallen trees and branches for your own domestic use.

can anyone confirm this?

what are the implications of doing this

colrow

you can do that in the uk, but I don't think you can do it here

teepee

I sure you could as long as you have the following ,
Insurance to do the following ,
Health & saftey statement ,
Site specific statement ,
Method statement ,
Risk assement ,
SWSP ,
And written permision from the land owner .
Cant see how its worth it .

Dusty87

colrow wrote: »

you can do that in the uk, but I don't think you can do it here

Sure you can, travellers are at it everyday in the abbey down the road from our house thats just been felled. Having said that, the logs they leave on the ground is a sin.

sh1tstirrer

colrow wrote: »

you can do that in the uk, but I don't think you can do it here

That would explain why he is calling the ground the floor.

LostCovey

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

That would explain why he is calling the ground the floor.

.....as opposed to calling it the "forest ground" as we Celts would say?????

Right.

LostCovey

creaghadoos

ok then i will call it the ground if it makes it any clearer.

reilig

If you were scavaging any forest floor of forestry that I own, I would consider it to be theft from me.

PANADOL

creaghadoos wrote: »

i read somewhere one time that there is an old law that allows people to scavange the forest floor and collect old fallen trees and branches for your own domestic use.

can anyone confirm this?

what are the implications of doing this

stop being such a hippie/ you sound like one of those tir na saor free man lu las , why would a farmer let you in on his land and risk liability

creaghadoos

a farmer has asked me to remove 2 trees from his land and when i asked him this same question he reckons that it is an old law that still exists as long as you don't climb a fence or cut down a living tree

studdlymurphy

Trees trimmed on the N4 by the local authority were being logged and taken by passers by on Sunday passed.

reilig

creaghadoos wrote: »

a farmer has asked me to remove 2 trees from his land and when i asked him this same question he reckons that it is an old law that still exists as long as you don't climb a fence or cut down a living tree

If you come onto my land and take anything from it without my permission, whether its growing or on the ground, its considered theft. It doesn't matter if you open the gate, jump the fence or airlift it out. You could be charged with theft. This law may exist for National Parks in the UK, but it does not exist for private forestry in Ireland.

pakalasa

...... and now legally, you can use 'resonable force' to protect your property.:rolleyes:

busman

reilig wrote: »

If you come onto my land and take anything from it without my permission, whether its growing or on the ground, its considered theft. It doesn't matter if you open the gate, jump the fence or airlift it out. You could be charged with theft. This law may exist for National Parks in the UK, but it does not exist for private forestry in Ireland.

What if they asked you first?

reilig

busman wrote: »

What if they asked you first?

Of course.

colrow

My neighbour tells me when he's got blown trees and I collect them, suits us both I get free firewood and exercise, he gets his mess cleared up.

reilig

colrow wrote: »

My neighbour tells me when he's got blown trees and I collect them, suits us both I get free firewood and exercise, he gets his mess cleared up.

Sure is, but if you went onto your neighbours land without asking him or him tellin you that you could then it would be stealing. Just to make the point to the OP.

colrow

Oh yes, totally agree there, when I first came here I asked him if it was ok to go in the foretry and collect dead trees etc, he put me wise to that lots of it is private, and a crop like other stuff grown on farms, so it would be stealing.

We've had to let go of our few animals, and he uses our fields for his sheep n cattle, in return for a trailer of turf a year.

viztopia

there is a local park managed by the opw and there are some lovley trees after been cut down recently. I was thinking of approaching the park amnager and seeing would he sell them. what do yous think? i see there is a tree felling company there so they could be asked to take them away either. In the past when the felled tress i noticed they got the tree cutting firm to shred up the smaller bist which werre sused for foothpaths

DonnchaMc

I know this is an old thread but i might get a reply..

If somone came onto your land and took a fallen tree (or part of it) you would consider it steeling?

WHY?

ihatetractors

DonnchaMc wrote: »

I know this is an old thread but i might get a reply..

If somone came onto your land and took a fallen tree (or part of it) you would consider it steeling?

WHY?

Well straight up there's insurance liabilities, if you had an accident.
Then, maybe the owner wanted it for his own firewood. How'd you feel if i came into your yard and robbed sticks out of your garage/bunker etc.... And your trespassing. If you were caught by the auld fella in a certain mood you'd be leaving with a few grains of lead implanted in certain areas too:D

LostCovey

DonnchaMc wrote: »

I know this is an old thread but i might get a reply..

If somone came onto your land and took a fallen tree (or part of it) you would consider it steeling?

WHY?

If someone came onto your land and took......anything, I would consider it stealing.

Irish people (not just farmers) are funny like that about people "coming onto" and "taking".

LC

creaghadoos

found out today that if it is a coilte run plantation, you can go and lift what is dead, or blown down.

Plazaman

I once scavanged a 2009 Toyota Avensis from a Forestry... twas great.

reilig

creaghadoos wrote: »

found out today that if it is a coilte run plantation, you can go and lift what is dead, or blown down.

But you can't use a chainsaw there unless you have insurance and chainsaw safety cert so blown down wood would be hard to recover. Coillte won't even allow a person who buys wood from them to split the logs in 2 on the forest site to make them easier to transport, so they will hardly let a scavanger do it.

Most coillte forests will have a sign up saying that cutting wood or removing fallen branches on the specific site and these signs normally state that prosecution will be brought against anyone caught doing so.

Bizzum

DonnchaMc wrote: »

I know this is an old thread but i might get a reply..

If somone came onto your land and took a fallen tree (or part of it) you would consider it steeling?

WHY?

I'll fix your post....

Steeling:The process of pointing, edging, or overlaying with steel.
This it is not.

Stealing: The illegal taking of another persons property without that persons freely given consent..........

Yep, more like it. I would consider it stealing in this case.

reilig

DonnchaMc wrote: »

I know this is an old thread but i might get a reply..

If somone came onto your land and took a fallen tree (or part of it) you would consider it steeling?

WHY?

It would be considered both trespassing and stealing.

Why??

Because if you go onto someone's land without permission, then its trespassing. If you take something that is growing, has been growing or has been left on their land, it is criminal theft ie. Stealing. And you can be criminally prosecuted for it.

bbam

DonnchaMc wrote: »

I know this is an old thread but i might get a reply..

If somone came onto your land and took a fallen tree (or part of it) you would consider it steeling?

WHY?

Surely this is a TROLL as nobody would be 5tupid enough not to understand this would be illegal.

5live

DonnchaMc wrote: »

I know this is an old thread but i might get a reply..

If somone came onto your land and took a fallen tree (or part of it) you would consider it steeling?

WHY?

If i came into your kitchen and took a fallen wallet would you consider it stealing

cathaloc

DonnchaMc wrote: »

I know this is an old thread but i might get a reply..

If somone came onto your land and took a fallen tree (or part of it) you would consider it steeling?

WHY?

At the moment, we are in the middle of reclaiming about 35 acres. Because of this, there are about 50-60 fallen trees all stacked up. To the good lifer, they may look like they are abandoned and fair play for taking under some silly law, but they are there seasoning. I've already thrown one gob****e off the property for landing on with a chainsaw and a trailer, without permission or an invitation. I would say this is why a lot of farmers would consider it stealing.

LostCovey

cathaloc wrote: »

At the moment, we are in the middle of reclaiming about 35 acres. Because of this, there are about 50-60 fallen trees all stacked up. To the good lifer, they may look like they are abandoned and fair play for taking under some silly law, but they are there seasoning. I've already thrown one gob****e off the property for landing on with a chainsaw and a trailer, without permission or an invitation. I would say this is why a lot of farmers would consider it stealing.

I see what you mean but if they were mine I would let them season after they are cut up and chopped up.

Your chainsaw and spine will thank you for it. And they would be indoors, where they wouldn't tempt silly people.

DonnchaMc

Ok, it seems I have a slightly different idea of what picking things off the floor means.... I didnt mean cuming along with a chainsaw or axe and a trailor and going home with enough fire wood for a year.

I sort of had in mind a little more of sum1 taken a fewsticks here n there for doing somethings at home...

I didnt realise it was such a problem for people with land

djmc

If someone u didnt know came into your garden or back yard which would be your land and took sticks and bits and pieces would u have a problem with it.
If you know the person that owns the land and ask them first they might be ok with it.

LostCovey

DonnchaMc wrote: »

Ok, it seems I have a slightly different idea of what picking things off the floor means.... I didnt mean cuming along with a chainsaw or axe and a trailor and going home with enough fire wood for a year.

I sort of had in mind a little more of sum1 taken a fewsticks here n there for doing somethings at home...

I didnt realise it was such a problem for people with land

Ting iz sum peepil doant agrie and tink privet propurty iz privet.

5live

LostCovey wrote: »

Ting iz sum peepil doant agrie and tink privet propurty iz privet.

LOL LC:D

ootbitb

LostCovey wrote: »

I see what you mean but if they were mine I would let them season after they are cut up and chopped up.

Your chainsaw and spine will thank you for it. And they would be indoors, where they wouldn't tempt silly people.

I cut trees in winter and leave them a few months to season . My chainsaw doesn't object and my spine thanks me.

LostCovey

ootbitb wrote: »

I cut trees in winter and leave them a few months to season . My chainsaw doesn't object and my spine thanks me.

Whatever works for you ootbitb.

I find that seasoned wood blunts the chain quicker and is harder to split. I like to let it season after I split it, and I find it dries better and quicker when cut up, split, & stored in a shed.

LostCovey

pakalasa

Come on, I've been cutting timber for years. It's much easier to cut and chop fresh timber.

ootbitb

access to my woods is easier in summer months so, as I don't wish to make two deep wheel ruts through pasture, I leave any felled trees to season naturally. Never leave them lying flat of course.

When I return in summer I find the weight is much reduced.

Apart from beech I find little difference in splitting effort required.:)

Agree with you seasoned wood dulls the chain quicker but also there are less stones (and wire) to hit in the shed.