BAI Engineering and BA ?????????????

Choclolate

I have a BAI Engineering from TCD and a BA (only did one course)

What the hell is the BA??

Unregistered.

Um, when did you graduate and how have you not asked this question before you graduated?

Choclolate

1998 I graduated

I only wanted an engineering degree.

Looking at my results I was awarded a BA and a BAI

Fad

Choclolate wrote: »

1998 I graduated

I only wanted an engineering degree.

Looking at my results I was awarded a BA and a BAI

O_O

afaik it's an ordinary degree in maths.

Sid_Justice

lol obvious troll is obvious.

From memory, the BA was given to 'professional' degrees in the past due to some requirement of needing an BA for some reason, so the BAI was awarded with the BA. I think Medicine still gets the BA too.

It may have been for maths before, but it's undenominated now.

So basically, it's nothing, except another piece of paper. Still nice to get two degrees, I suppose.

Choclolate

What is an Ordinary degree as opposed to my Engineering Degree.

When filling out college application forms do I say I have 2 degrees or 1.

What exactly does ordinary mean. Is it a 1.1 2.1 2.2 3. There is no information on my results

Choclolate

Thanks Donal.

But whne applying for post grads etc do I just say I have one degree or is this a seperate degree.

But what does Ordinary mean

Ordinary degree is the Level 7 BA. I assume the BAI is at Level 8 (some pass BAIs are/were given). So the BAI is the Honours Degree.

What difference would it make if you have one or twenty degrees? You have two, put down two.

Choclolate

what does undenominated mean.

Choclolate

But if you say you got a Pass degree in maths, does that not look like you did a maths degree and only passed it as opposed to an honours degree.

In which case it would be better to say nothing at all.

What do you think

It's not for anything. It doesn't say 'BA in Maths', it just says 'BA'. At least mine does. Check what it says.

I don't know what you mean by better to say nothing at all, if it's for a college course do you think you won't get in if you have two degrees? I don't understand how it would make any difference at all. If it's for an Irish course, they should know about the peculiarities of some of the Trinity degrees.

Sid_Justice

I think Medicine still gets the BA too.

Medicine graduates in TCD get BAO for extremely different but equally random reasons.

Choclolate

FAD said earlier in the thread that it was for Maths

I suppose my question is this - on an application form for postgrads it asks for your qualifications.

I will say BAI in Civil engineering from TCD and list my subjects underneath etc.

If i say BA also - I need to know what subject it is in etc to put it down or else it means nothing.

So do i put it in or leave it out.

I have asked class mates about this any nobody seems to know - these are the best answers I have gotl


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Why put put BA & BAI in Engineering on the one line? It'd specify that you'd have two degrees, while obviously linking them together. Or put BA (Ordinary) & BAI in Engineering (Honours) or something like that.

Choclolate

Thank

Brian

What does Thank mean

JonJoeDali

*waits for someone to say something like:*

"We should just give them BEng's like all the other HEA universities"

Any truth to the rumour that the engineering degree is going to be 5 years and that the MAI will be awarded at the end of it? Something to do with harmonising professional degrees across the EU. Anyway, I don't think Oxbridge will be signing up to any of these innovations, so I don't see why we should be tinkering with continuity.

Jehuty42

We(4th year CS) was told by out course director that there are plans to extend the program to 5 years in the future. He also made the point that if we wanted to compete with graduates of that new structure, we would need to take a Masters.

timmywex

Jehuty42 wrote: »

We(4th year CS) was told by out course director that there are plans to extend the program to 5 years in the future. He also made the point that if we wanted to compete with graduates of that new structure, we would need to take a Masters.

My year (current SF) have to do 5 years, we get a BAI after 4 and an extra year for masters, but have to do the masters for recognition by engineers ireland esentially.

I think :P

anothernight

timmywex wrote: »

My year (current SF) have to do 5 years, we get a BAI after 4 and an extra year for masters, but have to do the masters for recognition by engineers ireland esentially.

I think :P

Yeah, we can't become chartered engineers without the masters. So it's 5 years in total.

Jehuty42

Yeah, that's what I had heard, the course is only accredited if it's 5 years. What course are you in, CS? My understanding is that when(if) I graduate I will also be a chartered engineer.

anothernight

Jehuty42 wrote: »

Yeah, that's what I had heard, the course is only accredited if it's 5 years. What course are you in, CS? I didn't think this change had happened already

I'm in JF Engineering.

The change happens from 2013 onwards.

Gileadi

Jehuty42 wrote: »

Yeah, that's what I had heard, the course is only accredited if it's 5 years. What course are you in, CS? My understanding is that when(if) I graduate I will also be a chartered engineer.

You won't graduate as a chartered engineer. In future you will need to hold a masters to be eligible to apply for the title of chartered engineer but you will also require 4-5 years of relative experience in your chosen discipline.

AFAIK this years first years or possibly the 2011 (edit: anothernight says 2013, good enough for me) intake will be the initial year that will be on a 5 year course. You will still have the option of walking away at year 4 with the standard BA BAI if you want though

TheAmateur

timmywex wrote: »

My year (current SF) have to do 5 years, we get a BAI after 4 and an extra year for masters, but have to do the masters for recognition by engineers ireland esentially.

I think :P

Have they mentioned who's paying for the masters? I didn't think it would be covered under the free fees scheme, great if it was though.

JonJoeDali

Surely existing BAI holders should be upgraded to MAI?

Gileadi

Theres a difference between MAI (which is awarded after a submission of a thesis based on your professional work) and a Msc (which can be awarded after completion of the taught Msc course or submission of a research thesis).

I was working on one of the open day stands last year and off the top of my head i think that the final year has to be covered by the student (currently 6,500 for the 12 month taught masters program) turning it into a 4 year course with a 1 year top up. I had heard that UCD was going down the route of a 3 year course to award an ordinary degree in engineering then top that up with a 2 years masters, meaning that you would have to pay for 2 additional years. Though I'm much too lazy to double check that at the moment

Equium

My year, JS, is the last year that requires only the BAI to become chartered. Because of the Bologna Agreement anyone who graduates after that (2013) requires a masters degree to become fully chartered. This is to bring us into line with the rest of Europe.
As far as I know, this years JF are the first group to get the full 5 year undergraduate course. I think SFs do the normal 4 year BAI and then a one year postgrad add-on. All this was on the engineering webpage but I can't find it anymore.
For other years, including my year, they are meeting the MAI requirement by offering students the chance to study and gain work experience abroad for a year, in what would usually be 4th year. They then return to Trinity for one more year and qualify with an MAI.

JonJoeDali

There's nothing compelling the college to sign up to the "Bologna Agreement". Oxford and Cambridge aren't going to have their courses dictated to by outside agencies, particularly monstrosities such as the European Union.

Back in the day, degrees were three years. A good holy number. Four years for a professional degree. Five years is taking the piss.

Jehuty42

The world changes, it isn't static. Organisations and institutions need to continually innovate and adapt to changing circumstances or they will be obsolete. Sticking with a certain course structure because the number of years is pleasing to the ear and having graduates coming out with worse employment prospects than other universities is not a desirable situation. Yes, yes, university isn't an IT that is designed to funnel people into jobs, but employability of graduates has an effect on reputation and is an undeniable metric of quality, like it or lump it. If it takes 5 years to cover appropriate material to a standard recognised by peers in the field, then so be it. I would love a 5th year personally.

Jehuty42

JonJoeDali wrote: »

Surely existing BAI holders should be upgraded to MAI?

[strike]Why should they? They have not undertaken the appropriate work to obtain that degree.[/strike]
grumble, vBulletin, grumble. Anyway, disregard this post.

JonJoeDali

Jehuty42 wrote: »

Why should they? They have not undertaken the appropriate work to obtain that degree.

What, like the MA?

Jehuty42

Sorry, reading comprehension fail, disregard.

Gileadi

JonJoeDali wrote: »

There's nothing compelling the college to sign up to the "Bologna Agreement". Oxford and Cambridge aren't going to have their courses dictated to by outside agencies, particularly monstrosities such as the European Union.

Back in the day, degrees were three years. A good holy number. Four years for a professional degree. Five years is taking the piss.

Do you know what your talking about? monstrosities?

Is it not worth harmonising the engineer qualification process across the EU so that if your qualified and/or chartered in this country or the UK that you should be deemed to be similarly qualified in other EU countries? Especially after the implementation of the eurocodes for structural design. Is it too much to ask that engineers across Europe be similarly qualified?

Oxbridge might not have the masters tagged on in such an explicit way but in TCD you are not obliged to continue on into the masters, you are fully free to walk away after 4 years with your BA BAI and pursue your life in whatever non engineering field you want.