Unions back civil unrest

steddyeddy

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/1120/breaking5.html

Im not a pacisfist I dont think the government will leave without a certain amount of civil unrest, thats my view personally but I was surprised to hear the unions backing it! what do yo guys think?

Einhard

The link is broke.

If the unions urge civil unrest and it leads to property damage, injury or loss of life, then they should be prosectued.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

I'd back fixing that link.

Biggins

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20101120/tuk-unions-threaten-civil-disobedience-e1cd776.html
(Mentioned it earlier in another thread)

Einhard

Hmmmm think the headline is over the top. They're urging civil disobedience, not rioting in the streets.

steddyeddy

Thanks biggins aprecitate it! I fixed the first link also.

As for the unions I doubt theyll actually be doing the fighting but I thought it unusual to call for civil unrest Its seems a extreme for them

steddyeddy

Einhard wrote: »

Hmmmm think the headline is over the top. They're urging civil disobedience, not rioting in the streets.

true but even so define civil disobedience it can be read several ways!

btard

No where in that article does it say civil unrest The term is civil diobedience.

steddyeddy

btard wrote: »

No where in that article does it say civil unrest The term is civil diobedience.

The headline in the first article uses civil unrest

btard

steddyeddy wrote: »

true but even so define civil disobedience it can be read several ways!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

kowloon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUO8ScYVeDo

steddyeddy

btard wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

take it up with the irish times their the ones mentioning civil unrest

bobblepuzzle

This union is full of bright sparks

Biggins

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

This union is full of bright sparks

That would be the electrician section?

steddyeddy

well I do think civil unrest will follow, i dont want it to but I think it will

mloc

If the union leaders are inciting illegal behavior, they should be arrested.

Gerry Manderer

Self-Interest Protecting Tossers United

LostinBlanch

steddyeddy wrote: »

well I do think civil unrest will follow, i dont want it to but I think it will

Well I don't think this illegitimate regime will leave office without it. So they will have to be forced out. They don't have the mandate to govern and have shown contempt for all cirizens of this country and for democracy by refusing to hold the by elections among other things. A sad state of affairs but they will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the ballot box.

Edit: Not that I'm supporting the self serving unions.

PeterIanStaker

The ringleaders of this little escapade should be rounded up and shot.

Worked before:p

LostinBlanch

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

The ringleaders of this little escapade should be rounded up and shot.

Worked before:p

Cowen, Lenihan, Gormley et al? :rolleyes: Good call.

scientific1982

Depends on their definition of civil unrest. If it means mass protests up and down the country, im all for it. Even though this crisis is constantly in the news, I dont think a good proportion of the public fully realise whats going to happen when the IMF take over.

Mark200

LostinBlanch wrote: »

Well I don't think this illegitimate regime will leave office without it. So they will have to be forced out. They don't have the mandate to govern and have shown contempt for all cirizens of this country and for democracy by refusing to hold the by elections among other things. A sad state of affairs but they will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the ballot box.

Edit: Not that I'm supporting the self serving unions.

An elected Government doesn't become an illegitimate regime just because of opinion poll results.

ejmaztec

scientific1982 wrote: »

Depends on their definition of civil unrest. If it means mass protests up and down the country, im all for it. Even though this crisis is constantly in the news, I dont think a good proportion of the public fully realise whats going to happen when the IMF take over.

Politely stealing chairs might have something to do with it.

mloc

scientific1982 wrote: »

I dont think a good proportion of the public fully realise whats going to happen when the IMF take over.

Changes and reform we've needed for years? No, they don't realise nor will the self-serving, narrow minded fools the length of the country understand the need for it.

HellFireClub

Biggins wrote: »

That would be the electrician section?

Would these be the same electricians who caused absolute uproar in St. James hospital when they went on strike because they didn't want security staff to be able to press a button to reset a fire alarm when there clearly was no fire, and depriving their members of 8 hours pay on a Sunday to come into work to turn off the alarm???

mike65

This would be the same unions that have worked hand in glove with Fianna Fail with every National Agreement to raise wages and benefits well above the rate of inflation for years as the countries competitiveness was destroyed?

The same unions who backed benchmarking?

and benchmarking 2?

The same unions who have a representative on the Board of Governors at the Central Bank as they failed to regulate the clearning banks?

The same unions whos leadership are paid six figure sums for all the above?

HellFireClub

Sometimes you just have to sit back and laugh at what goes on in this country or you'd go mad! It's like some kind of lunatic asylum....

scientific1982

mloc wrote: »

Changes and reform we've needed for years? No, they don't realise nor will the self-serving, narrow minded fools the length of the country understand the need for it.

You make it sound like its going to relatively painless. Think Welsh mining towns after Thather.

ejmaztec

mike65 wrote: »

The same unions whos leadership are paid six figure sums for all the above?

The Champagne Socialist hypocrites?

mloc

scientific1982 wrote: »

You make it sound like its going to relatively painless. Think Welsh mining towns after Thather.

They are not going to be painless. They are going to be very, very painful.

Painful medicine is better than death.

They are overdue and we are so caught up in the fantasy land we've been living in for the last 10 years we've lost the run of reality; it's back now, and our distance from it is only going to make the readjustment all the more painful.

Mister men

Einhard wrote: »

The link is broke.

If the unions urge civil unrest and it leads to property damage, injury or loss of life, then they should be prosectued.

Lol :pac:

hondasam

mloc wrote: »

If the union leaders are inciting illegal behavior, they should be arrested.

so should the bankers and politicians.

lexluther

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO8y_fPRbBc

fight the power!!

Killer Pigeon

I bought an AK-47 today ... off a Union man. Seriously they're selling them down on Abbey Street, not too far from Liberty Hall.

HavingCrack

The Revolution is upon us comrades....

fergalr

I'm as unhappy as the next person with the way the country is being run.

But 'civil disobedience' to bring down the government?
Surely simple protest, to bring down the government, would be more appropriate?

From what I understand, civil disobedience is what a population might do when their government is oppressing their rights, and it involves the people breaking the law.

I know FF failing to hold the by-elections is borderline stuff; but the fact remains there has been no widespread popular protest in Ireland. There have been some protests, but its not a huge percentage of the population in the streets.

Considering the lack of popular protest, is it right for a minority interest group to try and bring down the government?

Surely they should organise popular protest, first? If they can't get support for popular protest, then is it right for them to try and bring down the government by breaking the law?

Elevator

steddyeddy wrote: »

well I do think civil unrest will follow, i dont want it to but I think it will

I've been sayin this amongst friends for a while now too

and if it's ever going to happen it will over the next few days