Coppers

msg11

Really worth the watch. Show footage of police work and the views of police without the drama.

All them so far very good, The titled Emergency Response shows the rise in calls relating to facebook :rolleyes: . Also some classic quotes in there too. Won't ruin it, but have a watch

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/coppers/4od#3134011

Irish_polizei

Yeh good show, posted the two links to full show in The Off-Topic, insult, picture and everything else thread earlier if anyone wants to watch them.

shampon

Drunken Scrote ringing the emergency dispatchers "Here, I'm 18 and this lad wont give me drink, will you tell him that I'm 18"

The show is comedy gold.

Zambia

Damn geographical lock out

Irish_polizei

Zambia232 wrote: »

Damn geographical lock out

Even the youtube versions ?

Spartan09

I think what I like about it compared to Road Wars or Britcops is that it shows the human side of Policing and doesnt try to sanitise it or give a PR version of what every day life is about, they seem to have the freedom to say what they think without censure (though Im sure there must be some). Alot of my colleagues in work who normally wouldnt watch a Police programme if you put a gun to their head are talking about it, watching it and enjoying it which I think is a good sign of a well made programme.

msg11

Zambia232 wrote: »

Damn geographical lock out

Try using a UK proxy server. Search on Google, Uk Proxy server. You should find a free on there and it will allow access to the site !

Zambia

Thanks lads all good.

Didn't have any issue watching it.


Was actually quite enjoyable, the episode I seen, though it does show what a crappy system there is in place were people can re-offend so many times and such.


Very good show.

gilly0512

Excellent show, this is real warts and all stuff, and shows the mindless drunken fools that Police in these Island have to deal with. Incidentally if this much drunkenness goes on in a small place like Wakefield, what must it be like in the bigger towns/cities like Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool etc. It really is amazing to see the level of alcohol abuse that goes on every weekend in major towns and cities all over the UK & Ireland.

unknown13

Watched two episodes:Custody and Traffic.

The Custody one, which I didn't enjoy and I taught was boring.

The traffic one was excellent. Very good all round insight into the duties a traffic officer has to do, showed a nice range of situations that officers have to go through and you can tell it was very well made aswell.

Sierra One

Topical episode tonight, following Public Order teams during demonstrations and disorder.

swiftblade

Still watching this nights episode

It really does show how stupid people act when in a crowd. All they were doing was shouting mindless chants. Neither side was any different from the other. Also the comments that it was a "waste of money" . What would have happened if there was no police persence? Stupid, stupid people.

Buceph

This is re the riot squad episode.

I'm not a big fan of the tactical arrests. There was one guy who was only shouting slogans and was subsequently pulled out as a "ringleader." It was never mentioned if he was convicted of anything, but seeing as there were only six convictions and they had him on film, I would guess not as C4 have highlighted all the convictions they have on camera. Similarly, the main hippy they were interviewing I believe fully. There are a lot of feminists who will refuse to say c*nt. I believe the police officer made the whole thing up. I have a lot of sympathy for the protesters and the police in some areas though. At one point there was a ten foot gap between the police line and protestor, and one of the guards spotted three people about to push the line forward from behind. Subsequently, protesters at the front who were obviously being peaceful took abuse and I have no doubt arrested, for swearing. When the guys doing the pushing just disappeared into the crowd. And 72 arrests and 6 convictions. It really says a lot about the desperation of police behaviour, and the problems of the Public Order act (which we have as well.)

Buceph

Buceph wrote: »

This is re the riot squad episode.

I'm not a big fan of the tactical arrests. There was one guy who was only shouting slogans and was subsequently pulled out as a "ringleader." It was never mentioned if he was convicted of anything, but seeing as there were only six convictions and they had him on film, I would guess not as C4 have highlighted all the convictions they have on camera. Similarly, the main hippy they were interviewing I believe fully. There are a lot of feminists who will refuse to say c*nt. I believe the police officer made the whole thing up. I have a lot of sympathy for the protesters and the police in some areas though. At one point there was a ten foot gap between the police line and protestor, and one of the guards spotted three people about to push the line forward from behind. Subsequently, protesters at the front who were obviously being peaceful took abuse and I have no doubt arrested, for swearing. When the guys doing the pushing just disappeared into the crowd. And 72 arrests and 6 convictions. It really says a lot about the desperation of police behaviour, and the problems of the Public Order act (which we have as well.)

There would have been people who would have received fines or cautions rather than being charged and brought to court. Also, you have an event that took place over a number of hours cut down to 47 minutes.

Buceph

The entire documentary series has been very fair and a number of guards I know have complemented it on its fairness. I don't think they'd leave something out if it was relevant. And I think a lot of people would take a fine or caution even when innocent to avoid going to court, especially when the police say they stand up for each other, and have been known to lie to protect each other.

mbeire

Buceph wrote: »

This is re the riot squad episode.

I'm not a big fan of the tactical arrests. There was one guy who was only shouting slogans and was subsequently pulled out as a "ringleader." It was never mentioned if he was convicted of anything, but seeing as there were only six convictions and they had him on film, I would guess not as C4 have highlighted all the convictions they have on camera. Similarly, the main hippy they were interviewing I believe fully. There are a lot of feminists who will refuse to say c*nt. I believe the police officer made the whole thing up. I have a lot of sympathy for the protesters and the police in some areas though. At one point there was a ten foot gap between the police line and protestor, and one of the guards spotted three people about to push the line forward from behind. Subsequently, protesters at the front who were obviously being peaceful took abuse and I have no doubt arrested, for swearing. When the guys doing the pushing just disappeared into the crowd. And 72 arrests and 6 convictions. It really says a lot about the desperation of police behaviour, and the problems of the Public Order act (which we have as well.)

this is a super show and it would be great if there was one in ireland on each service not just the Gardai. i think it would open peoples eyes up to the ****e which goes on it local communities.

msg11

Have to say after watching the riot episode. You can see why the batton is used so much. As one of them said, 'Look at that if you got pulled in there you would not last 15 mins'.

I have to say, he is true to what he said. If any police officer was pulled into a riot by himself it would all be over cause he would have been killed.

Buceph

Buceph wrote: »

The entire documentary series has been very fair and a number of guards I know have complemented it on its fairness. I don't think they'd leave something out if it was relevant. And I think a lot of people would take a fine or caution even when innocent to avoid going to court, especially when the police say they stand up for each other, and have been known to lie to protect each other.[/QUOTE]

Want to back up that comment?

And as for the show, there were the TV shows camera, police cameras, CCTV and helicopter footage. I'm sure the arrests were warranted and can be backed up.

Buceph

foreign wrote: »

Buceph wrote: »

The entire documentary series has been very fair and a number of guards I know have complemented it on its fairness. I don't think they'd leave something out if it was relevant. And I think a lot of people would take a fine or caution even when innocent to avoid going to court, especially when the police say they stand up for each other, and have been known to lie to protect each other.

Want to back up that comment?

McBreartys, yer man in Dublin going ape with no numbers and no Garda recognising him in the subsequent investigation and the Blue Flu are the most obvious cases. I also have anecdotal examples but I won't go into them.

And as for the show, there were the TV shows camera, police cameras, CCTV and helicopter footage. I'm sure the arrests were warranted and can be backed up.

Why were there only six convictions then? (Only 3 according to the Guardian.) And at least one not guilty case (where the copper was probably lying.) And one brutality investigation. Plus video evidence of them pulling out "ringleaders" who seemed to be doing nothing more than voicing their opinion. Especially as the division were sharing all their documentation, so I don't think there was any more evidence given the tone of the documentary.

Buceph

Buceph wrote: »

McBreartys, yer man in Dublin going ape with no numbers and no Garda recognising him in the subsequent investigation and the Blue Flu are the most obvious cases. I also have anecdotal examples but I won't go into them.

Donegal was a unique case and has been investigated. Was the Mayday Garda convicted of anything? There are gardaí in my station and I couldn't tell you their names never mind Gardaí from a different division.

Buceph wrote: »

Why were there only six convictions then? (Only 3 according to the Guardian.) And at least one not guilty case (where the copper was probably lying.) And one brutality investigation. Plus video evidence of them pulling out "ringleaders" who seemed to be doing nothing more than voicing their opinion. Especially as the division were sharing all their documentation, so I don't think there was any more evidence given the tone of the documentary.

Why were there only 6 convictions? Have you ever spent a day in a court? Forget one word in a public order case and its thrown out. Again, back up that statement where you accuse the copper of lying or withdraw the remark. Was the investigated copper found guilty? And why shouldn't somebody who organises violence not be arrested?

Mr. Presentable

Ah, I thought this was going to be a thread about snaring nurses

Good show though

Kintarō Hattori

Just a Joe Public myself and I'm really enjoying it. While the likes of Road Wars and such are entertaining, I'm really enjoying Coppers for its honesty. It puts a very human face on things. I think I liked the first episode best, the custody sergent was very frank and likeable.

angelfire9

Buceph wrote: »

McBreartys, yer man in Dublin going ape with no numbers and no Garda recognising him in the subsequent investigation and the Blue Flu are the most obvious cases. I also have anecdotal examples but I won't go into them.

Any decent cop worth his salt will tell you that they were disgusted by the behaviour of those muppets in Donegal
They did the whole force a massive disservice with their behaviour and I doubt you will find a single serving cop who would condone what they did

As for "robocop" fellas were drafted in from outside stations to the DMA that day
Fellas that had never set eyes on each other before or since were lined up together on the streets that day do you honestly think every cop in the DMA knows every other cop in every other station???
My hubby would probably be hard pressed to name 50% of the lads in his station outside of his own unit

Don't know much about Blue Flu but as far as I remember it was organised by the GRA wasn't it??

Buceph

foreign wrote: »

Donegal was a unique case and has been investigated. Was the Mayday Garda convicted of anything? There are gardaí in my station and I couldn't tell you their names never mind Gardaí from a different division.

I believe the McBrearty situation to be symptomatic of the situation in the Guards currently.

The Mayday Garda was supported by a conspiracy to derail the entire investigation. Not only was he at fault for not wearing his numbers, but the entire force was at fault for refusing to identify him.

Why were there only 6 convictions? Have you ever spent a day in a court? Forget one word in a public order case and its thrown out. Again, back up that statement where you accuse the copper of lying or withdraw the remark. Was the investigated copper found guilty? And why shouldn't somebody who organises violence not be arrested?

I haven't been in the district court. I know plenty of people who have worked in the District Court. And it wasn't solely my accusation, it was also the accusation of the person subsequently found innocent of the what the copper arrested him for. So either the innocent party is lying and the system has been hoodwinked, or the police were lying.

The investigation against the police mentioned in the report is ongoing.

And I have no problem with someone who organises violence being arrested. But that wasn't I was referring to. You're disingenuously arguing a complete different point.

angelfire9 wrote: »

Any decent cop worth his salt will tell you that they were disgusted by the behaviour of those muppets in Donegal
They did the whole force a massive disservice with their behaviour and I doubt you will find a single serving cop who would condone what they did

There were plenty who covered for them either through act or omission.

As for "robocop" fellas were drafted in from outside stations to the DMA that day
Fellas that had never set eyes on each other before or since were lined up together on the streets that day do you honestly think every cop in the DMA knows every other cop in every other station???
My hubby would probably be hard pressed to name 50% of the lads in his station outside of his own unit

I find it very hard that no-one could identify him in any way. Even to the point of saying, "Yes, he is based out of the same station as me. Garda X would know him."

Don't know much about Blue Flu but as far as I remember it was organised by the GRA wasn't it??

The Blue Flu was the day the Gardaí, en masse, lied to the state, betrayed the trust the public gave them, and committed a criminal offence.


I have a lot of sympathy for the police in the situation portrayed in the show. They couldn't get the people pushing in the crowds. However, instead it appeared that they simply targetted the most vocal. And it is striking that they didn't mention the conviction of anyone shown on the show, when the police went on at length about the danger those people represented. And that's without going into the fact they only had 6 convictions of 72 arrests.

angelfire9

Buceph wrote: »

I believe the McBrearty situation to be symptomatic of the situation in the Guards currently.

There were plenty who covered for them either through act or omission.

You are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine
The situation in Donegal was a disgrace
I have spent my entire life around Gardai and have yet to meet one Garda that has an iota of sympathy for the muppets in Donegal

Buceph wrote: »

The Mayday Garda was supported by a conspiracy to derail the entire investigation. Not only was he at fault for not wearing his numbers, but the entire force was at fault for refusing to identify him.

I find it very hard that no-one could identify him in any way. Even to the point of saying, "Yes, he is based out of the same station as me. Garda X would know him."

Firstly there was no conspiracy do you HONESTLY think that every Garda that was there was questioned? And they ALL conspired to "derail the investigation"
I sincerely doubt it

Secondly there was no onus on members to wear their numbers prior to the Mayday riot so really that criticism is moot, yes Gardai had numbers but in reality they never wore them, I would say that I could count on one hand the number of occassions I saw my father wear his numbers in all the years & all the stations he served
Lastly as already stated there are HUNDREDS of cops in the DMA and they were spread out all over the place on Mayday so the chances of knowing the guy next to you were not as high as you'd think
Most cops do not know every other cop in every other station in their region by sight, even enough to say "oh yeah he works in Pearse Street or Harcourt Street" or whatever
They don't examine each others faces for future recognition they see the uniform not the person!
And for the record the Garda in question was cleared by a UNANIMOUS jury verdict of all charges in relation to the Mayday riot which is important to note!

Buceph wrote: »

The Blue Flu was the day the Gardaí, en masse, lied to the state, betrayed the trust the public gave them, and committed a criminal offence.

Do you not think that is a wee bit OTT?
You are also talking about something that happened back in 1998 when circumstances were totally different to today
Given that Gardai are legally barred from strike action I think the GRA at the time felt that this was the only way to get attention for the issues they were raising
I am neither condoning nor criticising it as I don't remember enough about it to be honest

Shield

I want this thread back on-topic NOW please.

Thanks.

Buceph

Buceph wrote: »

I believe the McBrearty situation to be symptomatic of the situation in the Guards currently.

As a serving member I find that comment highly offensive.

Buceph wrote: »

The Mayday Garda was supported by a conspiracy to derail the entire investigation. Not only was he at fault for not wearing his numbers, but the entire force was at fault for refusing to identify him.

Was every Garda in the country contacted to find out who that Garda was? And as mentioned he was cleared in a court. Not by other Gardaí.

Buceph wrote: »

I haven't been in the district court. I know plenty of people who have worked in the District Court. And it wasn't solely my accusation, it was also the accusation of the person subsequently found innocent of the what the copper arrested him for. So either the innocent party is lying and the system has been hoodwinked, or the police were lying.

I've had a drunk driving case thrown out on a technicality. Was the person still driving while drunk? Just because somebody is cleared in court doesn't mean that the person was not in the wrong at the time.

Also, these friends who worked in the District Court, what was their roles?

Buceph wrote: »

The investigation against the police mentioned in the report is ongoing.

So there is no ruling that there was brutality on the day then.

Buceph wrote: »

And I have no problem with someone who organises violence being arrested. But that wasn't I was referring to. You're disingenuously arguing a complete different point.

You were referring to ringleaders being arrested. The ringleaders caused the problems. Just like the students didn't start the fight with the Gardaí at the Dept of Finance.

Buceph wrote: »

There were plenty who covered for them either through act or omission.

Provide evidence please.

Buceph wrote: »

I find it very hard that no-one could identify him in any way. Even to the point of saying, "Yes, he is based out of the same station as me. Garda X would know him."

Read my previous post.

Buceph wrote: »

The Blue Flu was the day the Gardaí, en masse, lied to the state, betrayed the trust the public gave them, and committed a criminal offence.

I wasn't a member at the time and am not sure what the reasons for it were but if members of the Gardaí felt so strong about the issue that this was the only action available to them then what were they to do?

Buceph wrote: »

I have a lot of sympathy for the police in the situation portrayed in the show. They couldn't get the people pushing in the crowds. However, instead it appeared that they simply targetted the most vocal. And it is striking that they didn't mention the conviction of anyone shown on the show, when the police went on at length about the danger those people represented. And that's without going into the fact they only had 6 convictions of 72 arrests.

Again, how do you know they targeted the most vocal? Did you witness all 72 arrests? Do you know why all 72 were arrested? I also explained why there probably wasn't 72 convictions. Not all would have gone to court.

Finally, what do your "Garda Friends" make of your opinion? I doubt you have them and if they exist I doubt they would be friends with you based on your statement re Donegal.

psni

psni wrote: »

I want this thread back on-topic NOW please.

Thanks.

As you can probably guess I started my reply before your warning. Sorry.

Shield

Concession given to foreign due to cross-timing of post, but no other off-topic posts please and thanks.

Rialtas

It's a good show. It's what we've come to expect from Channel 4. That recent documentary on human trafficking and last year's documentary on the CID in Hampshire were excellent also.

On a side issue, I'd have my doubts about the uniforms that seem to be common place across all the episodes, but especially in episode 3.

That one officer with the black fleece, black combats and taser reverse strapped to his leg is not what a beat officer should look like IMO. The Garda RSU's look less paramilitary? Fair enough they were a response oriented unit being featured, but they still operate within local communities and there should probably be a little less of that get up.