V.Klitschko offers Haye 50/50 in UK

Dirk Gently

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2010/1116/klitschkov_hayed.html

Looks like there's no where left to go for Haye but accept the fight. Klitschko has offered a 50/50 purse for a spring fight in either the US, Germany or UK, which ever venue can generate the biggest revenue.

joker77

Here on eastside too:

Moments after his ludicrously easy blowout of an inept Audley Harrison this past Saturday, WBA heavyweight ruler David Haye said he would face both Klitschko brothers next year, beat the pair of them and then retire. Haye promised the two fights would take place, as did his manager Adam Booth, who said the fights have a 99-percent chance of happening.

Well, moments ago, a BBC news report has surfaced reporting how Vitali Klitschko, the older of the two siblings and the reigning WBC champion, has made it clear he is ready, willing and able to fight Haye next - in the spring of next year.

“I’m ready any minute to sign a 50-50 contract,” Vitali said. “We are both world champions so let’s fight. Let’s make the fight in the spring time - I’m ready, the question is for David Haye. Haye is a great talker but the question is, is he a good fighter? If he is a good fighter he should sign the contract.”

And “Dr. Iron Fist” insisted he would face Haye just about anywhere, in pretty much any country the WBA champ wants.

“I hear about the great venue of Madison Square Garden for this fight,” Klitschko said. “But I’m ready to fight in Germany, the United States or Great Britain. Let’s sign the contract. Straightaway we are ready. I want to fight David Haye.”

It seems, then, that this is a deal Team-Haye cannot possibly afford to turn down. A 50-50 deal, in any of the three countries Vitali mentioned, next spring? What can Haye possibly find to his dislike in such an offer?

If Haye really does want the fight or fights with the Klitschkos as he claims, he will surely respond immediately to this offer, and give heavyweight boxing fans one of the two fights they really want and deserve to see.

As easy as his last “fight” was, Haye can have no issues at all with fighting again as soon as in March or April. Vitali does have a mandatory defence on the cards - against the winner of December’s Odlanier Solis-Ray Austin eliminator - but surely a voluntary defence against Haye will be permitted in the meantime.

The ball, it seems, is in David Haye’s court. Could we, finally, be on the verge of seeing Haye back up his talk and get it on with the Klitschkos? Vitali seems almost desperate to get the fight made. Let’s hope Haye has the same enthusiasm.

Frank Bullitt

Wonder what his excuse will be now.

seadnamac

Doesn't mention anything about the removing the stipulation that Haye would have to sign with K2 for his following three fights though, which is supposedly why he had turned them down so far.

nacho libre

seadnamac wrote: »

Doesn't mention anything about the removing the stipulation that Haye would have to sign with K2 for his following three fights though, which is supposedly why he had turned them down so far.

I thought that particular stipulation had been overcome last time? If it existed Haye certainly didn't mention it as a reason for not accepting the fight last time.

joker77

Am I imagining things or did Haye not already ACCEPT a fight with Vitali, only to pull out through a mysterious back injury?

Those stipulations were either overcome, or possibly part of later negotiations with Vlad

nacho libre

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/9193038.stm

trackguy

Fair enough about ppl saying Haye is scared of the Klitschkos, he maybe -

I thought it was ridiculous that Vitali came out and said he wanted to fight Haye first because 'Wladimir would kill him.' What a load of rubbish. I think they both fear Wladimir would be on his back after tasting one of Haye's right hands!

Rob113

I'll get excited about this when the contracts are signed. I hate all this WWE sh1te talk.

El Guapo!

Great news! Hopefully we'll finally see this fight.
I wonder is the re-match clause sorted out though because tbh it wasnt a fair clause to begin with and if that really is the reason Haye refused the fight then in my opinion he was right to refuse it.
Hope its all sorted though because then there's really no excuse for the fight not to go ahead.....failing a mysterious injury! :rolleyes:

Handsome Bob

Rob113 wrote: »

I'll get excited about this when the contracts are signed. I hate all this WWE sh1te talk.

That "WWE ****e talk" has always been present in boxing where it's either been used by genuinely cocky fcuks or blokes just talking ****e to increase PPV buyrates.

Rob113

Ive no problem with the trash talk once the contracts are signed. I quite enjoy it then as it can add a bit of spice to the whole thing.
I hate listening to the sh1te talk coming from haye and the k's the 18 months or so and still no fight to look forward to is very frustrating.

Kess73

Would be very surprised if Haye says yes to a fight with Vitali and actually gets to the ring on fight night without pulling out for a back or hand injury.


I would favour either of the brothers against Haye, but Vitali is the one I would expect to do a number on Haye, whereas I think that Haye would stand a much better chance against Wlad.


For my money, Vitali hits a lot harder than his brother, has a much better chin than his brother, has a better engine than his brother, and has faster hands than his brother.


Haye would bring superior speed to the fight but I would be confident of Vitali taking a clean shot from Haye, can anyone say that they would be confident of Haye taking a clean shot from Vitali? I doubt it.

nacho libre

Kess73 wrote: »

Haye would bring superior speed to the fight but I would be confident of Vitali taking a clean shot from Haye, can anyone say that they would be confident of Haye taking a clean shot from Vitali? I doubt it.

Haye has the power to hurt even Vitali, so i wouldn't be confident of either man being able to take a clean shot from the other. Although, i agree that Haye is targetting Wlad because he feels he has a better chance of defeating Wlad.

djhaxman

Kess73 wrote: »

Haye would bring superior speed to the fight but I would be confident of Vitali taking a clean shot from Haye, can anyone say that they would be confident of Haye taking a clean shot from Vitali? I doubt it.

Did you not see what Haye did to Valuev? No-one had ever hurt Valuev like that before. He connects with either Klitschko, they'll feel it.

CorkMan

Also, Odlanier Solis and Ray Austin will meet Dec 17 to become mandatory challenger for the WBC belt. Vitali Klitschko holds that.

Solis beat David Haye in the amateurs, defected from Cuba 4 years ago.

joepenguin

I love the way Wlad offered Chisora a fight leaving Haye with no "sellable" ppv in the uk. Suppose he is a warren fighter anyway but still.

colly10

seadnamac wrote: »

Doesn't mention anything about the removing the stipulation that Haye would have to sign with K2 for his following three fights though, which is supposedly why he had turned them down so far.

The last time around Haye said that he offered them 2 options -

1. Drop their contract with RTL and auction off to the highest bidder in Germany (for obvious reasons that'd be a non runner)

2. Haye keeps all Sky money, they keep all RTL money (which would obviously be alot less)

Haye didn't give the reason of the contract crap last time around so he either doesn't see it as an issue or it's not a demand, it's not something he'd fail to mention if it was his reason

sxt

Has Team "Haymaker" responded to Vitali ?

Blatter

What kind of odds do you think the bookies would go with, 8/11 Haye evens Vitali?

or 5/6 for both?

Kess73

nacho libre wrote: »

Haye has the power to hurt even Vitali, so i wouldn't be confident of either man being able to take a clean shot from the other. Although, i agree that Haye is targetting Wlad because he feels he has a better chance of defeating Wlad.

djhaxman wrote: »

Did you not see what Haye did to Valuev? No-one had ever hurt Valuev like that before. He connects with either Klitschko, they'll feel it.

I'm not saying that Haye does not bring stopping power to the table, what I am saying is that if Haye lands cleanly on Vitali, that Vitali staying on his feet would not be a shock, but if Vitali lands cleanly on Haye, Haye goes down.

Vitali has a chin that has been tested and is proven to be durable, Haye on the other hand not so much.

I think Wlad would beat Haye, but I can also see the arguement for Haye beating Wlad.

Against Vitali, I just see Haye getting taken apart and beaten up until he gets stopped.

Dan_Solo

It's so hard to tell if Haye is any good due to him taking the belt off Valuev who was a set-up champ (did you see that Holyfield farce) and then fighting a non-fighter in Harrison. Vitali's a big guy, much bigger than Haye, but he's been in hard fights and also isn't afraid to throw punches.
Good big one beats good small one is what they say, and in this case I'd agree.

Blatter

Good interview from Klitschko here...

colly10

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

What kind of odds do you think the bookies would go with, 8/11 Haye evens Vitali?

or 5/6 for both?

I would be shocked if Haye was considered favorite or if you could get evens on Vitali, i'd certainly be backing Vitali if that was the case though

Blatter

colly10 wrote: »

I would be shocked if Haye was considered favorite or if you could get evens on Vitali, i'd certainly be backing Vitali if that was the case though

It wouldn't be that much of a shock given the massive media hype up of Haye in Britain...

Boooourns

colly10 wrote: »

I would be shocked if Haye was considered favorite or if you could get evens on Vitali, i'd certainly be backing Vitali if that was the case though

I'd put a big whack on Vitali if he was evens, no way would he be though.

djhaxman

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

What kind of odds do you think the bookies would go with, 8/11 Haye evens Vitali?

or 5/6 for both?

http://www.bettingzone.co.uk/other/betting/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=betting/10/11/16/manual_171253.html

Sky Bet make Vitali Klitschko 1/2 to beat David Haye in a potential fight next year after the Ukrainian insisted he would be willing to accept a "50-50" purse split.

Klitschko, the WBC heavyweight champion, has thrown down a challenge to Haye in the wake of the Londoner's easy WBA title defence against Audley Harrison in Manchester on Saturday and also claimed he would be happy to fight in England.

Previous attempts to line up a clash between the former cruiserweight and Klitschko or his younger brother Wladimir have been scuppered by arguments over prospective venues and TV revenues.

Klitschko told BBC Radio 5Live: "I'm ready any minute to sign a 50-50 contract. We are both world champions so let's fight. Let's make the fight in the spring time - I'm ready, the question is for David Haye.

"I hear about the great venue of Madison Square Garden for this fight. But I'm ready to fight in Germany, the United States or Great Britain. Where the most money is on the table ... let's fight in this place."

Sky Bet make Haye, whose third-round knockout of Harrison was his 23rd win inside 12 rounds in 25 victories, 6/4 to triumph and 5/2 to do so before the final bell (6/5 Klitschko).

A points win for the Englishman is priced up at 6/1 while Vitali is 3/1 to win via this method.

Handsome Bob

Hopefully Vitali really does end up making him pizza face for 12 rounds.

Dan_Solo

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Hopefully Vitali really does end up making him pizza face for 12 rounds.

Not sure where the hate is coming from here. Haye might be mouthy, but he doesn't seem a bad bloke and is even reasonably entertaining.
I've no idea who I "want" to win, or why I'd ever "want" one fighter to win more than the other (unless one is Irish!).

nacho libre

Kess73 wrote: »

I'm not saying that Haye does not bring stopping power to the table, what I am saying is that if Haye lands cleanly on Vitali, that Vitali staying on his feet would not be a shock, but if Vitali lands cleanly on Haye, Haye goes down.

Vitali has a chin that has been tested and is proven to be durable, Haye on the other hand not so much.

I think Wlad would beat Haye, but I can also see the arguement for Haye beating Wlad.

Against Vitali, I just see Haye getting taken apart and beaten up until he gets stopped.

What you're saying making a lot of sense, but has Vitali ever faced anyone who has the power of Haye. I would favour Vitali to win, but if Haye manages to land cleanly then Vitali goes down in my opinion

Jayob10

nacho libre wrote: »

What you're saying making a lot of sense, but has Vitali ever faced anyone who has the power of Haye. I would favour Vitali to win, but if Haye manages to land cleanly then Vitali goes down in my opinion

If Haye fights Vitali, Haye will fight this fight entirely on the back foot. Its an extremely tough fight for Haye who will desperately not want to get hit. It makes his task even tougher. He may land on Vitali but he will receive something back if he wants to be successful.

I'd fancy Vitali to have Haye on the canvass in this bout. I don't think Haye is a good enough boxer to beat Vitali. Sure he has decent power and throws good combinations but I think Vitali will take Hayes punches. And Haye most certainly will not have felt power like Vitali's. Don't be fooled by the medias consensus that Vitali is a slugger. He is a decent technician too who is capable of mixing it up too, unlike he brother who is probably a better technician but susceptible to being knocked when he mixes it up.

Haye will need to fight Wlad to have any chance at all of unifying belts, and even against Wlad he will need to knock him out. He will not outbox the Klitchskos, he is too small its as simple as that. He needs to be an exceptional boxer in order to outpoint these guys. And he is not. In athletics terms Haye is a sprinter.

Lets not be fooled either, these guy are not slow as snails either, they are accused of being lumbering but its their upright style and prominent jab that make them uneasy on the eye.

I think Vitali is a cracking fighter and Haye's style will bring the best out in him. If Haye challenges him with his power Vitali will step it up and won't be as cautious as his little brother.

Haye v Vitali has the makings of a very exciting fight

politicsdude

yeah i can see these fights definately happening neither Haye or the klitischkos have anywhere else to go

joker77

Booth (Haye's Trainer/Manager) Vs Boente (Klitschko Rep)

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12602_6514639,00.html

nacho libre

Jayob10 wrote: »

If Haye fights Vitali, Haye will fight this fight entirely on the back foot. Its an extremely tough fight for Haye who will desperately not want to get hit. It makes his task even tougher. He may land on Vitali but he will receive something back if he wants to be successful.

I'd fancy Vitali to have Haye on the canvass in this bout. I don't think Haye is a good enough boxer to beat Vitali. Sure he has decent power and throws good combinations but I think Vitali will take Hayes punches. And Haye most certainly will not have felt power like Vitali's. Don't be fooled by the medias consensus that Vitali is a slugger. He is a decent technician too who is capable of mixing it up too, unlike he brother who is probably a better technician but susceptible to being knocked when he mixes it up.

Haye will need to fight Wlad to have any chance at all of unifying belts, and even against Wlad he will need to knock him out. He will not outbox the Klitchskos, he is too small its as simple as that. He needs to be an exceptional boxer in order to outpoint these guys. And he is not. In athletics terms Haye is a sprinter.

Lets not be fooled either, these guy are not slow as snails either, they are accused of being lumbering but its their upright style and prominent jab that make them uneasy on the eye.

I think Vitali is a cracking fighter and Haye's style will bring the best out in him. If Haye challenges him with his power Vitali will step it up and won't be as cautious as his little brother.

Haye v Vitali has the makings of a very exciting fight

if Haye had a good chin i'd actually make a bout against Vitali a 50-50 fight. as the Valuev fight showed, he does in fact have the power to hurt even Vitali, but as you say he'll find it very difficult to land cleanly against Vitali, unlike against Valuev, without taking something meaningful in return. I also believe the brothers fighting skills are under appreciated- they make fight looks boring because they are so accomplished at shutting down an opponents offense.
If they were American they would not get half the criticism they do. Vitali isn't slowing down either really, it's just he's in his comfort zone in recent fights, i think if tested he can go another gear.

pbffan

It's all about chins
There are major questions over Haye & Wlad, and both have been on queer street on more than once occasion. Vitali however, has shown his chin to be extremely durable, and has never been down in his career.
On paper, Haye & Wladimir are both better than Vitali at this stage of his career, but that means absolutely nothing. Imo, Vitali knocks both of them out, even at 39 years of age.
Haye should do everything possible to avoid Vitali, Wlad is still a very tough fight for him, one which he could very well lose, but whatever chance he has there, is a lot better than vs Vitali

djhaxman

pbffan wrote: »

It's all about chins
There are major questions over Haye & Wlad, and both have been on queer street on more than once occasion. Vitali however, has shown his chin to be extremely durable, and has never been down in his career.

When was the last time anyone caught Vitali flush? I mean with a really powerful punch to test that chin. At 39 years of age that punch resistance will probably be going down. Genuine question, not being smart.

SanoVitae

djhaxman wrote: »

When was the last time anyone caught Vitali flush? I mean with a really powerful punch to test that chin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BH6LvUS__M&feature=related

Lennox Lewis catches him with some massive punches at 0.30, 2.20 & 3.15.

djhaxman

SanoVitae wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BH6LvUS__M&feature=related

Lennox Lewis catches him with some massive punches at 0.30, 2.20 & 3.15.

Recently, I meant. That was 7 years ago. A lot can change in that length of time.

Dan_Solo

SanoVitae wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BH6LvUS__M&feature=related

Lennox Lewis catches him with some massive punches at 0.30, 2.20 & 3.15.

Good link. Didn't realise Lewis was such a bitter winner. He was rattled as f&&k!

ragg

I'm sure it's been asked already in this thread, i've not read it all, but how old is vitali? He must be in his 40's.

My opinion for what it's worth, is that people really seem to forget just how good the klitchkos are, they see haye with all the hype and bluster, but Vitali can punch and he can avoid a punch. I'm sure Haye will be more of a challenge then some of the dross he has beaten recently. However, some part of me see's him knocking Haye out

colly10

ragg wrote: »

I'm sure it's been asked already in this thread, i've not read it all, but how old is vitali? He must be in his 40's.

My opinion for what it's worth, is that people really seem to forget just how good the klitchkos are, they see haye with all the hype and bluster, but Vitali can punch and he can avoid a punch. I'm sure Haye will be more of a challenge then some of the dross he has beaten recently. However, some part of me see's him knocking Haye out

Vitali is 39, and i'd agree, I still think he knocks out Haye

Kess73

djhaxman wrote: »

Recently, I meant. That was 7 years ago. A lot can change in that length of time.

Arreola connected with a few clean big shots when they met last year, and his shots just seemed to spur Vitali on.

I would have doubts on Haye hitting harder than Arreola.

wicorthered

I honestly think Haye would be too quick for both. He'd beat Wlad and would run Vitali very close IMO he'd beat him too.

colly10

joker77 wrote: »

Booth (Haye's Trainer/Manager) Vs Boente (Klitschko Rep)

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12602_6514639,00.html

I dislike booth more and more every time I hear him open his mouth. Haye will never fight Vitali, you just look at his reactions every time Vitali is mentioned. He seems to think he's some sort of genius as well

colly10

wicorthered wrote: »

I honestly think Haye would be too quick for both. He'd beat Wlad and would run Vitali very close IMO he'd beat him too.

They'll use the jab and their reach to keep him at bay, their both technically good fighters and arn't slow. Both pack a punch and Vitali has a much better chin.
Haye may beat Wlad, I don't see him beating Vitali (and that fight will never happen anyway)

djhaxman

Much like Mayweather/Pacquiao, these Haye v either Klitschko brother fights need to happen, to answer a lot of questions.

Not a peep out of the Haye camp since Vitali made his statement.

joker77

colly10 wrote: »

I dislike booth more and more every time I hear him open his mouth. Haye will never fight Vitali, you just look at his reactions every time Vitali is mentioned. He seems to think he's some sort of genius as well

I hear ya, he's such a smarmy little arrogant twat, f*cking hate the c*nt.

corny

Haye won't agree to fight either man imo. Certainly not if he as any intention of holding onto his belt. I think thats the main stumbling block. Behind the bravado he knows he's up **** creek trying to unify the belts and if he loses, his earning potential fades away. Instead we have the hype machine continuing with the will he won't he fight the Klitschkos, all the while furthering his celebrity. Which is exactly what he wants. Not a Klitschko fight just the hype to sell his next fight. He'll fight someone equally meaningless next to keep the money rolling in.

If i'm wrong and he were to fight the Klitschkos? Wlad would make him eat the jab all night and Haye would have no answer. Haye doesn't doesn't strike me as the type of fighter who'd be prepared to take punishment to get inside either so Wlad wins easily on the scorecard. Against Vitali he'd be embarrassed. He'd completely shut down Haye's options like he does with every fighter he faces. If Haye was to chance it to get big shots off he'd lose quicker.

Personally i'm not too keen on the Klitschkos. There fights are boring as **** and they'd make a Haye fight just as boring imo(especially Wlad). But you can't argue they're not effective. Too effective for a flash cruiserweight.

H. Flashman

if haye was to fight either klitischko he definately has the speed to land one of his vaunted hayemakers on both their chins before they get to him ... what happens when he does? well my bet is wlad gets knocked out but vitali takes it and comes back with a few of his own. .... what happens when he does? haye gets put down ... unless he can avoid him for 12 rounds which I somehow doubt he can.

don't see haye winning either fight on points he either gets knocked out or knocks them out.

Haye's best bet is wlad first and give vitali another 10/11 months to get a little bit older.

of course there is also the saurland 3 fight contract and the chagaev issue which could throw a spanner in the works

gonedrinking

H. Flashman wrote: »

if haye was to fight either klitischko he definately has the speed to land one of his vaunted hayemakers on both their chins before they get to him ... what happens when he does? well my bet is wlad gets knocked out but vitali takes it and comes back with a few of his own. .... what happens when he does? haye gets put down ... unless he can avoid him for 12 rounds which I somehow doubt he can.

don't see haye winning either fight on points he either gets knocked out or knocks them out.

Haye's best bet is wlad first and give vitali another 10/11 months to get a little bit older.

of course there is also the saurland 3 fight contract and the chagaev issue which could throw a spanner in the works

I used to think Haye had a massive punch but after the Harrisson fight I'm not so sure, he was putting all his effort into knocking fruadley out but was not able to, in the end fruadley had to fall to the floor and pretend to be knocked out. Now if Haye isn't able to knock out fruadley then he has no chance of knocking out or even hurting Vitali.

djhaxman

gonedrinking wrote: »

I used to think Haye had a massive punch but after the Harrisson fight I'm not so sure, he was putting all his effort into knocking fruadley out but was not able to, in the end fruadley had to fall to the floor and pretend to be knocked out. Now if Haye isn't able to knock out fruadley then he has no chance of knocking out or even hurting Vitali.

FFS. Just ask Valuev how hard Haye hits.