new garda speed cameras

curly from cork

having checked out the garda website , i still find it hard to see specifically where the cameras are located around the city.. is this on purpose or am i just bad at reading the maps ??

Random

you can zoom in and out on the map. did you try this?

PcAngel

I only get a red line - zoomed in and out.

themonboys

It's meant to be like that as the camera will be moved along those streches

Hogzy

Main Douglas road under the South Ring flyover. What a random place for a speed trap considering its full of traffic most of the time.

aFlabbyPanda

I got this list on an email,

> 5.6km Rathduff Village Lissard, Burnfoot Rural N20
> 0.7km Shean Lower Blarney Clogheenmilcon, Blarney Rural R617
> 1.9km N8 Lower Glanmire Road ( Horgans Quay) N8 Lower Glanmire Road (
> Tivoli) Urban N8
> 0.6km Tivoli Lota N8 Urban N8
> 1.5km Inchagaggin Lane, Carrigrohane Rd Carrigrohane Rural N22
> 0.8km Carrigrohane N22 Poulavone Roundabout Rural N22
> 2.4km Cusduff, Carrigaline N28 Donnybrook, Douglas R609 Urban N28 / R609
> 2.9km Ballyduhig, Kinsale Road Fivemile Bridge Rural R600
> 1.1km Lota N8 Dunkettle Urban N8
> 2.5km N27 Kinsale Road N27 Airport Roundabout Rural N27
> 4.6km Killeens, Blarney Ardamadane, Blarney Rural N20
> 8.2km Bandon Road Roundabout Mahon Point Urban N28 -N25
> 7.3km Mallow Charleville Rural/Urban N20
> 2.2km Mallow Dromaneen Rural N72
> 3.1km Mallow Fermoy Rural/Urban N72
> 8.2km Mitchelstown Cahir Rural N8
> 3.2km Charleville Kilmallock Urban/Rural R515
> 8.7km Carrigtwohill Midleton Rural N25
> 6.2km Youghal Pilltown Rural N25
> 4.5km Lybe, Belgooly Curra, Riverstock Rural/Urban R600
> 2km Crossbarry Brinny Rural R589
> 4km Kilcoleman, Bandon Murragh Rural R586
> 7.5km Enniskeane Manch Dunmanway Urban/Rural R586
> 5.5km Manch Dunmanway Rural R586
> 3km Aughaville, Bantry Coolmare, Bantry Rural R586
> 2.5km Bantry ( Knocknamuck) Bantry (Ardnageehy Beg) Urban
> 4km Skull Lowertown, Skull Rural R592
> 3.5km Leap Connonagh Rural N71
> 4km Lissavard Clonakilty Rural N71
> 6.5km Dromcummer Dromagh Rural N72
> 8km Rathmore Barraduff Rural N72
> 10km Baile Mhic Íre Raleigh, Macroom Rural N22
> 6km Baile Mhic Íre Mons Bar (Lissacresig) Rural N22

narddog

The camera are focussed on "black spot" areas. Why isn't money spent on correcting these areas, ie straightning out sharp bends, rather than bringing in another form of tax.

Max001

narddog wrote: »

The camera are focussed on "black spot" areas. Why isn't money spent on correcting these areas, ie straightning out sharp bends, rather than bringing in another form of tax.

Two reasons your thinking is flawed.

1. Since when has any public body in this country
done whats logical?
2. No money.

Simples

DM-BM

BrianjG wrote: »

I got this list on an email,

> 5.6km Rathduff Village Lissard, Burnfoot Rural N20
> 0.7km Shean Lower Blarney Clogheenmilcon, Blarney Rural R617
> 1.9km N8 Lower Glanmire Road ( Horgans Quay) N8 Lower Glanmire Road (
> Tivoli) Urban N8
> 0.6km Tivoli Lota N8 Urban N8
> 1.5km Inchagaggin Lane, Carrigrohane Rd Carrigrohane Rural N22
> 0.8km Carrigrohane N22 Poulavone Roundabout Rural N22
> 2.4km Cusduff, Carrigaline N28 Donnybrook, Douglas R609 Urban N28 / R609
> 2.9km Ballyduhig, Kinsale Road Fivemile Bridge Rural R600
> 1.1km Lota N8 Dunkettle Urban N8
> 2.5km N27 Kinsale Road N27 Airport Roundabout Rural N27
> 4.6km Killeens, Blarney Ardamadane, Blarney Rural N20
> 8.2km Bandon Road Roundabout Mahon Point Urban N28 -N25
> 7.3km Mallow Charleville Rural/Urban N20
> 2.2km Mallow Dromaneen Rural N72
> 3.1km Mallow Fermoy Rural/Urban N72
> 8.2km Mitchelstown Cahir Rural N8
> 3.2km Charleville Kilmallock Urban/Rural R515
> 8.7km Carrigtwohill Midleton Rural N25
> 6.2km Youghal Pilltown Rural N25
> 4.5km Lybe, Belgooly Curra, Riverstock Rural/Urban R600
> 2km Crossbarry Brinny Rural R589
> 4km Kilcoleman, Bandon Murragh Rural R586
> 7.5km Enniskeane Manch Dunmanway Urban/Rural R586
> 5.5km Manch Dunmanway Rural R586
> 3km Aughaville, Bantry Coolmare, Bantry Rural R586
> 2.5km Bantry ( Knocknamuck) Bantry (Ardnageehy Beg) Urban
> 4km Skull Lowertown, Skull Rural R592
> 3.5km Leap Connonagh Rural N71
> 4km Lissavard Clonakilty Rural N71
> 6.5km Dromcummer Dromagh Rural N72
> 8km Rathmore Barraduff Rural N72
> 10km Baile Mhic Íre Raleigh, Macroom Rural N22
> 6km Baile Mhic Íre Mons Bar (Lissacresig) Rural N22

Where did you get this? A lot of those locations are not on the map.

fuzzy muzzy

they are practically putting the speed cameras everywhere i wonder are they evan there at all...all a scam like putting not putting condoms in a condom machine because everyone know there not going to ask the owner bout it:D

SeaFields

They will have 45 vans operational by February. That's a very, very small number for the entire country. We mightn't see one of those from one end of the year to the other.

Cork has the second highest number of areas that will be targeted, just behind Donegal. There are a couple of red lines on that map around the city - cant see those roads being accident blackspots.

Bill-e

OK, on that map I see 515 of these red line stretches.
They only have 15 vans...

So they can only cover about 2.5% of these marked out areas.

You probably have more chance of being caught in the old fashioned way than with these things. It was amazing to see how much everyone had slowed down this morning. I think the map is more effective then the vans themselves.
Great use of technology.

FYI: if you want a copy of the overlay used in the map for your gps or Google earth you can get it here:
http://www.garda.ie/sez/gardagosafecameras.kml

narddog

Max001 wrote: »

Two reasons your thinking is flawed.

1. Since when has any public body in this country
done whats logical?
2. No money.

Simples

Could have been done 10 years ago, when there was loads of money floating around. But no, better to spend the money on huge vanity projects. Why bother spending a million Euro on a dangerous bend on a midlands road when theres another couple of million to spend on extending the LUAS by another 5 feet. It's the same wonderful planning that sees us get a new motorway network, built from practically scratch, but with no petrol or service station facilities on them.

Daisy03

Does it seem counter-intuitive that they tell everyone where the cameras are? Or is it just me? Surely, people will slow down at these areas and then continue to drive as they normally do.

Cadyboo

This morning coming home from work I noticed a lot of people were driving slower, keeping within the limit, very unusual for that time of the morning!.
You know I think if it makes people slow down then it is worth it. However if people dont start seeing any of these vans in the next few days, the speed is gonna go back up!:)

shnaek

Cadyboo wrote: »

This morning coming home from work I noticed a lot of people were driving slower, keeping within the limit, very unusual for that time of the morning!.
You know I think if it makes people slow down then it is worth it. However if people dont start seeing any of these vans in the next few days, the speed is gonna go back up!:)

You'll see the vans. They are costing 65million - they'll want to make at least that amount of money back.

Milly33

Is there one of these cameras by the traffic lights lets say heading from Rochestown direction to douglas at the traffic lights just before the Rochestown Park? Passed it twice recently and Im convinced I see a flash going off, on the right hand side of the road. If it is tis crap I drive a old car and there is ne way im speeding in it if thats why tis going off

horse7

could you put this up as a pdf please.

Bill-e wrote: »

OK, on that map I see 515 of these red line stretches.
They only have 15 vans...

So they can only cover about 2.5% of these marked out areas.

You probably have more chance of being caught in the old fashioned way than with these things. It was amazing to see how much everyone had slowed down this morning. I think the map is more effective then the vans themselves.
Great use of technology.

FYI: if you want a copy of the overlay used in the map for your gps or Google earth you can get it here:
http://www.garda.ie/sez/gardagosafecameras.kml

babo9

Ok...I've basically payed no attention to this, just reading up on it now.

It's a (very small, relatively speaking) number of "speed camera" vans that patrol limited stretches of roads which that they tell us about in advance?

I'm sorry but I fail to see the point, maybe cars will slow down in those particular locations, but after a while on not seeing any vans people will just get complacent and go back to normal!

They are basically speed traps and we've been told where they might be?
Am I missing something?!

Hogzy

babo9 wrote: »

I'm sorry but I fail to see the point, maybe cars will slow down in those particular locations, but after a while on not seeing any vans people will just get complacent and go back to normal!

And then one day the vans will be there and they will be all caught. And then they will more than likely never speed in that area again.

Simples.

babo9

Hogzy wrote: »

And then one day the vans will be there and they will be all caught. And then they will more than likely never speed in that area again.

The important bit of that sentence!
And same could be said of any regular speed trap! Why spend a load of money on purpose built speed camera vans, seems like a waste of time and money!

Originally when I heard about this I thought it was going to be fixed cameras in place monitoring speed like in some countries, I thought how annoying but probably a good idea and will reduce speed, of course I also didn't think they'd reveal their locations and this mobile van thing seems just pointless!

Better off to buy 10 cameras for the price of a van and put them in fixed and unannounced locations. Maybe move them around every few weeks or months so people don't get used to where they are, be far more effective.

Spudzzmurphy

Does anyone know if these cameras are to be used late at night,and in the early hours of the morning,when all the accidents, and joy riding is taking place.

mik_da_man

Yep they are gonna be running 24 hours.
I had a look at the maps and the on place I totally agree with is carrs hill - Road to carragline and then to ringaskiddy..
The douglas road one makes no sense at all tbh

cork2

in cork at the moment i noticed alot of cables crossing the roads, i always thought these were for counting traffic but somebody told me these also calculate your speed and you can get done for speeding over them. anybody know if this is true or are peoples imaginations getting carried away??

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Hogzy

cork2 wrote: »

in cork at the moment i noticed alot of cables crossing the roads, i always thought these were for counting traffic but somebody told me these also calculate your speed and you can get done for speeding over them. anybody know if this is true or are peoples imaginations getting carried away??

Traffic counting. THink about it, How can they accuratly calculate your speed without measuring the distance from one axel to another.

A smart car and a limo have huge differences in axel length.

Spudzzmurphy

Hogzy wrote: »

Traffic counting. THink about it, How can they accuratly calculate your speed without measuring the distance from one axel to another.

A smart car and a limo have huge differences in axel length.

Could it not be the case that they only measure the front Axel going form one cable point "A to the second cable point B",would that not give them your speed.

Funsterdelux

Spudzzmurphy wrote: »

Could it not be the case that they only measure the front Axel going form one cable point "A to the second cable point B",would that not give them your speed.

That is possible too, but there's no other equipment for obtaining your vehicle details.

With regards to the speed camera vans I think its a better idea than the old fashioned fixed speed cameras. When you actually think about it, they are going to police sections of roads, some of them a few miles long. You may or may not be able to see a van in time in some of these areas. Where as the old fixed cameras you always knew where they were going to be!

On another point I've noticed (well around Cork) on the way into the city/built up areas, there isn't enough speed limit signs. I've been overtaken many times driving at 50kph on the button close to and passing schools and junctions. Although more signs mightn't change some people's minds!

seaniefr

Hi all speed camera spotted limerick side of Tipperary town in 80Km zone at 5,15 pm yesterday van was red 10-KY reg no discernable markings other than a white no. 27 sticker top right hand corner. Didn't it say something about suitably marked in an ad somewhere?

Blitzkrieger

shnaek wrote: »

You'll see the vans. They are costing 65million - they'll want to make at least that amount of money back.

wtf? 65 million? If the 45 vans were made of pure gold and had camera equipment made of diamonds they shouldn't cost more than a million each. No wonder the country is broke....

cork2 wrote: »

these also calculate your speed and you can get done for speeding over them. QUOTE]

They can calculate your speed but you can't "be done" for speeding over them. Basically they count axels, so by measuring the time difference between your front axel crossing the first rope and the second rope they can work out how fast you are going (assuming there isn't traffic in the other lane to confuse things), but there's no way of telling it who it was that was speeding.



"Safety cameras" my hole. We all knew it was going to be just about revenue generating and that list of roads just confirms it. When's the last time you heard of a fatal accident by Lota? TBH though, they are known speed camera sites anyway, so it won't change my driving habits.

Piri

cork2 wrote: »

in cork at the moment i noticed alot of cables crossing the roads, i always thought these were for counting traffic but somebody told me these also calculate your speed and you can get done for speeding over them. anybody know if this is true or are peoples imaginations getting carried away??

This is speed measuring as well!

See this:
http://www.redflex.com/html/usa/solutions/REDFLEXspeed/point-to-point

dunleakelleher

narddog wrote: »

The camera are focussed on "black spot" areas. Why isn't money spent on correcting these areas, ie straightning out sharp bends, rather than bringing in another form of tax.

why spend money when you can make money

cork_south

Milly33 wrote: »

Is there one of these cameras by the traffic lights lets say heading from Rochestown direction to douglas at the traffic lights just before the Rochestown Park? Passed it twice recently and Im convinced I see a flash going off, on the right hand side of the road. If it is tis crap I drive a old car and there is ne way im speeding in it if thats why tis going off

Hey fella, the same thing happened to me today. I'm not sure if I was speeding though. Did anything come of this for you?

dodger50

cork_south wrote: »

Hey fella, the same thing happened to me today. I'm not sure if I was speeding though. Did anything come of this for you?

Relax! The green glass in the traffic light is broken. As you pass, travelling towards Douglas, it gives the impression of a white flash out of the corner of your eye.

ShamoBuc

dodger50 wrote: »

Relax! The green glass in the traffic light is broken. As you pass, travelling towards Douglas, it gives the impression of a white flash out of the corner of your eye.

I see cameras.... everywhere;)

Flesh Gorden

people used think the same when heading past the zebra crossing in riverstown just before glanmire sc

it was actually the orange dome on one of the lights being cracked and exposed which made people think they'd been caught by a gatso


the most useless spot I can see on the map is the one leading into cooney's lane past the pinecroft in grange


with regards to the one on silversprings hill, I can see why they'd want one there,
but the only place to park up without being on private property or blocking up an estate is on the wrong side of the road to catch anyone,
that road can be very tempting and is easy to hit 70mph going uphill with anything 1.8l or above

babo9

Flesh Gorden wrote: »

the most useless spot I can see on the map is the one leading into cooney's lane past the pinecroft in grange

That's not useless at all!! I used to live there and it's a longish stretch of road with kids/dogs/people coming from all angles as it's surrounded by estates.
And there was always tossers speeding down the road in their celicas/civics/puntos with farting cannons!

Just look at that long unobstructed stretch of road. It might not be the biggest black spot but it's one of the few residential areas with a stretch of road like that, that doesn't have speedbumps.

stephendevlin

fuzzy muzzy wrote: »

they are practically putting the speed cameras everywhere i wonder are they evan there at all...all a scam like putting not putting condoms in a condom machine because everyone know there not going to ask the owner bout it:D

They will only be on 1 or 2 of the roads at any given time.

Milly33

cork_south wrote: »

Hey fella, the same thing happened to me today. I'm not sure if I was speeding though. Did anything come of this for you?

Who you calling fella

"Relax! The green glass in the traffic light is broken. As you pass, travelling towards Douglas, it gives the impression of a white flash out of the corner of your eye. "

Correct ans I mentioned it to himself and he went to all the effort of driving around to see it and well lets say I said ne more after that...

Flesh Gorden

babo9 wrote: »

That's not useless at all!! I used to live there and it's a longish stretch of road with kids/dogs/people coming from all angles as it's surrounded by estates.

well useless was the wrong word to use, but they could be put somewhere a lot more sensible

the press releases say the gatso vans are to be placed in known accident blackspots, have you seen any accidents on that road?



I've friends in grange way and one of the other adjacent parks, that's the only reason I noticed it


to me if they do put a gatso van on that road it will be to take advantage of the fact that a parked up van wouldn't look out of place and they can use it for easy revenue

And there was always tossers speeding down the road in their celicas/civics/puntos with farting cannons!

Noise and speed are two very different things, the loudest cars are usually the slowest and have large alloys that cause even more drag


on the subject of random stereotypes

the kids and dogs are at big risk from a woman paying attention to her makeup or mobile in their golf/mini/fiesta/yaris

or from parents looking in the rear view mirror and screaming at their own kids in the back seat of their cmax/zafira/picasso mammy wagons


ex housemate used to work with dineens crash repair
and he'll vouch for the amount of family cars compared to anything else that would be dropped off outside in the lot after accidents

babo9

Flesh Gorden wrote: »

have you seen any accidents on that road?

Yup, around 6 months ago (although to be fair that was coming onto the road!). But I agree in terms of accidents there are better spots.

Flesh Gorden wrote: »

Noise and speed are two very different things, the loudest cars are usually the slowest and have large alloys that cause even more drag

on the subject of random stereotypes

I'm aware of that, ha I knew someone would call me on the stereotypes-it was said somewhat in jest, perhaps I should have made it clearer. Fact is people do speed down that road as it's a long clear stretch.


As I said in terms of accidents there are better spots, but same to be said about a few of these speed cam locations. But in terms of speed it's a good location. I'm only talking in terms of speed cos it's clear this whole speed camera thing could of been done far better, so I'm just talking simply in terms of what it is!

wexcap

What's with the new cctv cameras in cork are they red light cameras

the beer revolu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121980708#Comment_121980708

Unfortunately not! I believe they are merely for monitoring traffic.

blindsider

Zombie thread @wexcap

You raised this in the Roads thread too….? Did you run a red light?