The Piranha

_Exasperated_

Anybody here in love with the Piranha? It's a shame they only publish their paper often

charmer

_Exasperated_ wrote: »

Anybody here in love with the Piranha? It's a shame they only publish their paper often

Wut?

boblong

_Exasperated_ wrote: »

Anybody here in love with the Piranha? It's a shame they only publish their paper often

Either a typo, or some really marvellous sarcasm I can't quite grasp.

Torque

Loved the piece on women's rowing.

Mark200

Anyone know where you can find this around the Hamilton area? The only time I ever see it these days is if I wander through the Arts block.

AndrewJD

If you go in the lower Northern entrance, where the vending machines are, there's usually a few on the newspaper stand thing.

andrew

They weren't all put out at once this time, there are still a good few left I think. There should be a constant stream of them making an appearance for another while. Some more will be hefted up to the Hamilton at some stage

Ahoyhoy

Disappointing, the issue last year was much wittier. Fewer typos too...

Acid_Violet

Tiny Linn.............?

andrew

Acid_Violet wrote: »

Tiny Linn.............?

Sup Cliodhna

papu

This Issue was a Joke , The "Joke Candidate Piece" was in such bad taste and Honestly made me sick reading it , such a Vicious personal assault on such a harmless character , I'll no doubt be lodging many complaints , Vulgar article.

andrew

For the record, given my above post implies I was involved with the Piranha at some point (which I was), that isn't the case any more. Didn't much like the Seb one either myself.

Acid_Violet

I've been minorly involved with the Piranha and the Seb one was out of line. I thoroughly welcome complaints being made.

bythewoods

The Seb piece was vicious. Like, incredibly scathing.

Although, I do have to say, it was fucking hilarious as a comic piece, if it hadn't been aimed at someone so harshly. I mean, the whole arsehole being orbited by smaller arsehole line was genius.

But because it was personal obviously, very very cruel.

Although I guess that is the glory of the Piranha after all.

Tragedy

I enjoyed it, some good lines.

Thoroughly summed up why I won't be voting in any of the elections though, seriously - this is the best the SU has to offer us as Sabatts?

charmer

Tragedy wrote: »

I enjoyed it, some good lines.

Thoroughly summed up why I won't be voting in any of the elections though, seriously - this is the best the SU has to offer us as Sabatts?

These candidates are members of the current student body offering themselves up for the positions. Anybody is welcome to run.
How is the quality of the candidates the SU's fault?

Tragedy

charmer wrote: »

These candidates are members of the current student body offering themselves up for the positions. Anybody is welcome to run.
How is the quality of the candidates the SU's fault?

Because the vast majority of the student populace view the SU as irrelevant at best and as something to be thoroughly disdained at worst?
All of which is the SU's fault?

Ahoyhoy

Tragedy wrote: »

Because the vast majority of the student populace view the SU as irrelevant

Prove it. You've been saying this for ages. Prove it.

Also once again - the thread is about Piranha

dannyc

Ahoyhoy wrote: »

Prove it. You've been saying this for ages. Prove it.

Also once again - the thread is about Piranha

70% of the student body don't vote in the SU elections... what else could be a bigger indicator of the majority of the student body finding the SU completely irrelevant?

Yeah the Seb article was too personal, could have been funny but seemed too snarky to get the right tone. So unbelievably harsh, and to be honest not even that clever or witty, just "this lad is a douchebag hehe big douche seb le coq fck him and his alopecia". Bit of a let down.

gearoidof

70% of the people don't watch the 6 nations, does that mean they disdain Rugby? No, they just don't care.

Don't mix up apathy with antipathy

feeder666

@gearoidof
what a brilliantly apposite analogy that really hit the nail on the head cos when you think about it watching the six nations is the same as voting

gearoidof

thanks!

Tragedy

They just don't care? You mean its irrelevant to them? Like I said the SU was irrelevant at best? Ok, thanks for your contribution!

gearoidof wrote: »

70% of the people don't watch the 6 nations, does that mean they disdain Rugby? No, they just don't care.

Don't mix up apathy with antipathy

gearoidof

Tragedy wrote: »

Because the vast majority of the student populace view the SU as irrelevant at best and as something to be thoroughly disdained at worst?
All of which is the SU's fault?

Ahem. That's what you said, and I agree with you that a lot of people think the SU is irrelevant. But don't mix up antipathy and apathy, "thoroughly disdained" is a big leap to make off people not voting.

Tragedy

gearoidof wrote: »

Ahem. That's what you said, and I agree with you that a lot of people think the SU is irrelevant. But don't mix up antipathy and apathy, "thoroughly disdained" is a big leap to make off people not voting.

Do I really need to explain what "at worst" means?

Please dont make me have to explain it, pleaseeeee.

just-joe

Internet argument. Which is on a thread about the TCD SU. You both lose.

Tragedy

just-joe wrote: »

Internet argument. Which is on a thread about the TCD SU. You both lose.

Someone old enough to use a computer who doesn't understand irony. You lose

Ahoyhoy

dannyc wrote: »

70% of the student body don't vote in the SU elections... what else could be a bigger indicator of the majority of the student body finding the SU completely irrelevant?

The highest voter turn out in a Federal Election in the US was 61.8% in 1960. The turn out in 2008 was 56.8%. The voter turn out in Ireland in 2007 was 67.03%. Does that mean that 43.2% of people in the US and 32.97% of people in Ireland don't give a toss about the government? I seriously doubt it. What it means is that they're too lazy to get out and vote.

I'd bet an awful lot of money that the voter turn out will be higher in this election - why? Because people don't care about governance while it's working but as soon as it starts to screw up they get mad and they get involved. It's the same with the SU - wait til a group of officers who don't do their comes along and then see how irrelevant it is.

Tragedy

Ahoyhoy wrote: »

Does that mean that 43.2% of people in the US and 32.97% of people in Ireland don't give a toss about the government? I seriously doubt it. What it means is that they're too lazy to get out and vote.

Actually, especially in America a lot of people don't give a toss about their government. I won't bother going in to why(i.e. the states system, washington being perceived as far away and not really affecting day to day life, etc etc), but it's a well known phenomenon. Here's one simple metric that shows increasing apathy/disinterest in American voters:
"In 1960, 60 percent of the nation's television households had their sets on and tuned to the October presidential debates. In 2000, fewer than 30 percent were tuned in."

I suggest you read this as a starter, especially "Parties and Participation". It should resonate quite strongly with any Irish person.

I'd bet an awful lot of money that the voter turn out will be higher in this election - why? Because people don't care about governance while it's working but as soon as it starts to screw up they get mad and they get involved.

http://www.idea.int/vt/country_view.cfm?CountryCode=IE
Voting %ages declined throughout the 80's, a time of utter economic misery and bleakness. That argument doesn't wash either.

It's the same with the SU - wait til a group of officers who don't do their comes along and then see how irrelevant it is.

Ok
TCDSU President who doesn't do his job: Printers won't get fixe.. oh wait, they still haven't been. No deal of the week? Students will be on the street protesting!
Communications: No weekly e-mail and University Times? Heaven forfend!
Ents: First years will have to go to non ents events and pay exactly the same to get in and get the same drinks specials. A bad rag week... ehhh. We had a crappy Ents officer a while back with zany plans who was absolutely abysmal, did voter turnout increase the year after? I suspect not
Welfare: Don't know how much Steph does!
Edu: Same as above.

A country's Government is rarely irrelevant, I'd argue that a college's students union often is.

I don't particularly like Cónán, but he was proactive and did things. His lack hasn't been particularly felt around campus.

andrew

So the Piranha, eh? wats up wit dat?!?!?111?

the flananator

Couldn't find copies of this anywhere, is it still around?

Ahoyhoy

I expect the editor has done a mad dash around campus picking them all up judging by the number of JD complaints people are claiming to have made.

Tragedy

Oh look, he's back!

Only 26.5% of students voted in the referendum. Are you still claiming that that's because of laziness and that the other 73.5% still believe the SU is relevant and important?
You posted some bull**** logic and figures to try make it seem that no-one caring enough about the SU to bother voting in it wasn't a reflection on the SU and was instead a reflection on how well they did their jobs.

As you said to me, prove it :pac:

Also, knowing one of the editors, I suspect he isn't particularly worried about JD complaints.

kitsuune

i'm really glad to see other people were as disgusted by the Seb comment. Apparently a couple of people who wrote it just took an intense personal dislike to him because of a few throwaway (but probably mildly offensive knowing him) comments that he made once.

I thought it was so so offensive, and while I understand that it is the Pirahna, it was SO much harsher than everything said about all the other candidates. It's really sad because he really does have his heart in the right place, and that campaign was anything but a joke for him.

I thought it was really terrible. It took so much self restraint not to march up to the editor in the arts block and tell him how disgusting I thought it was.

aas

Tragedy wrote: »

Oh look, he's back!

Only 26.5% of students voted in the referendum. Are you still claiming that that's because of laziness and that the other 73.5% still believe the SU is relevant and important?
You posted some bull**** logic and figures to try make it seem that no-one caring enough about the SU to bother voting in it wasn't a reflection on the SU and was instead a reflection on how well they did their jobs.

As you said to me, prove it :pac:

Also, knowing one of the editors, I suspect he isn't particularly worried about JD complaints.

Didn't they have like 80% approval back in that survey they took a few months back.

Ahoyhoy

Tragedy wrote: »

Oh look, he's back!

Only 26.5% of students voted in the referendum. Are you still claiming that that's because of laziness and that the other 73.5% still believe the SU is relevant and important?
You posted some bull**** logic and figures to try make it seem that no-one caring enough about the SU to bother voting in it wasn't a reflection on the SU and was instead a reflection on how well they did their jobs.

As you said to me, prove it

I guess the difference between an opinion and using a phrase like "I expect" and making massively generalised statements is lost on you...oh dear, mustn't feed the troll...also I stand by what I said before....also the fact that counted among student numbers (and therefore members of the SU and potential voters) are students located in Tallaght, Naas, Belfast, Blackrock, Drumcondra, Limerick, Sligo etc. I wonder why those students didn't vote? It's definitely because the SU is ****.

Also with regard to your claim that I have some sort of personal interest in the SU, I don't. It appears you have some sort of personal interest in Piranha though (knowing the editor as you said) perhaps this is why you can't stay on topic?

Anyway - Piranha - I don't think anything of what they said in that article qualified as satire but I'm not planning on getting my knickers in a twist about it. I just wish it was funnier. Bring back Radical Mike!


Nuts, I fed the troll didn't I? Ah well, makes your neckbeard curly I suppose.

Tragedy

Ahoyhoy wrote: »

I guess the difference between an opinion and using a phrase like "I expect" and making massively generalised statements is lost on you...oh dear, mustn't feed the troll...also I stand by what I said before....

I see, you stand by your nonsense but you can't defend it. Fantastic

Claim #1: All people who don't vote in US/Ireland don't vote out of laziness.
Claim #2: People vote more when things are going wrong.
Claim #3: If the Sabatts weren't doing their job, more people would vote.

I didn't realise debunking the above idiotic claims counted as trolling, but there you go.

I think you'll find trolls are people who post nonsense and then run off when people notice they're spewing verbal diarrhoea and call them on it.
Just like you've done on how many threads related to the SU on this forum? (hint: a few)

also the fact that counted among student numbers (and therefore members of the SU and potential voters) are students located in Tallaght, Naas, Belfast, Blackrock, Drumcondra, Limerick, Sligo etc. I wonder why those students didn't vote? It's definitely because the SU is ****.

73.5% of students in TCD are actually in Tallaght, Naas, Belfast, Blackrock, Drumcondra, Limerick, Sligo etc. My point is rebutted, I accept I was wrong.

Also with regard to your claim that I have some sort of personal interest in the SU, I don't.

I see, strange though. You've gotten quite heated defending them a couple of times now.

It appears you have some sort of personal interest in Piranha though (knowing the editor as you said) perhaps this is why you can't stay on topic?

Prove it. You've been saying this for ages. Prove it.

Also once again - the thread is about Piranha

Ah hypocrisy, you're a fine filly.

gearoidof

Tragedy wrote: »

I didn't realise debunking the above idiotic claims counted as trolling, but there you go.

I think you'll find trolls are people who post nonsense and then run off when people notice they're spewing verbal diarrhoea and call them on it.
Just like you've done on how many threads related to the SU on this forum? (hint: a few)

A troll is defined as
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

My personal definition of a troll is someone who enjoys being controversial for the sake of controversy, or who enjoys pissing people off (I'm a bit of a troll at times)

ED E

Got one in hamilton(vending machines) yesterday. All Trinity Times there today.

bythewoods

Tragedy wrote: »

I think you'll find trolls are people who post nonsense and then run off when people notice they're spewing verbal diarrhoea and call them on it.
Just like you've done on how many threads related to the SU on this forum? (hint: a few)

Tragedy, are you perhaps suggesting that Ahoyhoy here is somehow involved in the SU? What a sweeping accusation to make. How dare you?

I mean, it's not as if he only joined boards to defend the SU, and it's not as though he resurfaced here purely to promote hackery around election time or anything.

HE MIGHT HAVE OTHER INTERESTS.

blubloblu

Can the SU discussion be moved to another thread?

Denerick

gearoidof wrote: »

Ahem. That's what you said, and I agree with you that a lot of people think the SU is irrelevant. But don't mix up antipathy and apathy, "thoroughly disdained" is a big leap to make off people not voting.

I have data here that suggests a student uprising against the SU is imminent.

Can the SU discussion be moved to another thread?

Fecking thought police. Tyrant.

theowen

blubloblu wrote: »

Can the SU discussion be moved to another thread?

Yeah. Big silly head. Your also a wanker.

AndrewJD

theowen wrote: »

Big silly head.

Harsh.

blubloblu

theowen wrote: »

Yeah. Big silly head. Your also a wanker.

Personal abuse, I'll have you banned from the internet!

Ravelleman

I found that the smug look on the faces of some of the guys I saw delivering it didn't correspond to the level lols within the actual paper.