New speed cameras start on Monday

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RTE:New speed cameras start on Monday
Garda Site:View Safety Camera Locations
Dublin City Council Traffic Cameras

foggy_lad

the privatre company will be paid by the hour so i cant see them being on the job for very long given the state of the public finances, and they will operate at accident blackspots where parking a van will present even more danger to the public!

charlemont

It will be a fiasco like everything else here..

buzzwell

I must correct you.

They are to be known as "Safety Cameras", not "Speed Cameras".

We have had a lot of focus groups, paid big money for TV and radio adverts, and wasted a lot of time researching how best to change the public perception that these Safety Cameras are purely an income generator and you insist on calling them Speed Cameras.

For Gods sake, get the point not the....................................................

Max Power1

buzzwell wrote: »

I must correct you.

They are to be known as "Safety Cameras", not "Speed Cameras".

We have had a lot of focus groups, paid big money for TV and radio adverts, and wasted a lot of time researching how best to change the public perception that these Safety Cameras are purely an income generator and you insist on calling them Speed Cameras.

For Gods sake, get the point not the....................................................

Lol. Have you seen the list where the cameras are to be located? Mostly N roads with 80kph limits where 100kmh is perfectly safe. Indeed one is near naas in an 100 zone just before the limit increases to 120kmh.

The phrase "fish in a barrel" comes to mind.

If this were not a revenue generating excersise and was actually aimed at safety, the cameras would be located near actual black spots (eg country roads)

buzzwell

Don't get me started.

Imagine the sense of wonderment and delight at having landed yourself a plum job sitting in the back of one of those vans getting paid to watch the world go by.

Nice money if you can get it.

Anyway these things are probably sponsored by some insurance company.
Seems every road safety event is nowadays; it helps keep them from having to pay out on any claims.

Run_to_da_hills

These sofisticated cameras are no ordinary camera, they are ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) , They can log every number plate of every car passing a set location of up to 3000 per hour, they willl also be hooked up to the Garda Pulse system.

Big Brother will definitally be watching you :eek:

Carawaystick

Interesting that ags say GoSafe is a trading name of road safety operations Ireland ltd, while the cro know nothing about GoSafe.....

AlekSmart

Interesting to see Carawaysticks reference to the CRO and the Go-Safe Consortium.

Whilst Googling the issue appears to throw up pictures and acounts of the Contract being signed by Fachtna Murphy and Dermot Ahearne assisted by a Ms McComiskey from the Chief State Solicitors Office (!),there is a marked absence of any principals from the G0-Safe Consortium.

Am I being overly cynical in wondering why such a PR friendly event was not milked for all it`s worth by Go-Safe`s principals,whomever they may be ?

A poster on one of the Irish Motorcycle discussion fora has alluded to one of the principals being named as a benefactor to the late CJH at one time,which of course,might be totally unconnected with the awarding of any subsequent lucrative Government contracts...would`nt it????? :P

WeirdKen

Looking at the garda website, there doesn't appear to be any 'safety cameras' on motorways... Is that right???

corktina

safest roads in the state, so yes thats right.

Chris_5339762

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

These sofisticated cameras are no ordinary camera, they are ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) , They can log every number plate of every car passing a set location of up to 3000 per hour, they willl also be hooked up to the Garda Pulse system.

Big Brother will definitally be watching you :eek:

This is good and will actually make a difference. ANPR can immediately tell if a car is taxed and insured. So it will hopefully play a part in getting those people off the road.

foggy_lad

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

These sofisticated cameras are no ordinary camera, they are ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) , They can log every number plate of every car passing a set location of up to 3000 per hour, they willl also be hooked up to the Garda Pulse system.

Big Brother will definitally be watching you :eek:

was that pulse system not stored next to the e-voting machines? i have heard it may as well be for all the use it is and for all the time it is actually working properly.

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

This is good and will actually make a difference. ANPR can immediately tell if a car is taxed and insured. So it will hopefully play a part in getting those people off the road.

no it cant, it can read the number plate and pass it on to a central database of all insured and taxed cars and alert officers if the number is not on such a database so they might stop the vehicle to further investigate. But afaik such a database does not exist in ireland?

there are many reasons why some vehicles may show as being not taxed or insured including incompetance from other state organisations responsible for tax and ownership records etc and in the uk the biggest reason is not updating the databases!

salutations

corktina wrote: »

safest roads in the state, so yes thats right.

I saw this myself whilst looking at the Garda website and presumed it was some kind of oversight. Great news. I was sure the idiots would try and put some on the Motorway despite the fact they are safe. At least a bit of common sense here.

BrianD

Is there a requirement for the local authority to erect signage on the stretches of roads that are going to be regularly monitored (similar to what happens in the UK). Seems a pointless operation unless there is a constant visual reminder to motorists.

corktina

salutations wrote: »

I saw this myself whilst looking at the Garda website and presumed it was some kind of oversight. Great news. I was sure the idiots would try and put some on the Motorway despite the fact they are safe. At least a bit of common sense here.

thats not to say that SPEED cameras as opposed to SAFETY cameras wont be in use on motorways....

Mr Simpson

Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't there markings on the M50 for Speed/Safety Cameras.

Poxyshamrock

What do these cameras look like?

Are they manned on the side of the road or are they on poles like Speed Cameras in the UK?

patrickc

Poxyshamrock wrote: »

What do these cameras look like?

Are they manned on the side of the road or are they on poles like Speed Cameras in the UK?

there in gatso vans

PARKHEAD67

buzzwell wrote: »

I must correct you.

They are to be known as "Safety Cameras", not "Speed Cameras".

We have had a lot of focus groups, paid big money for TV and radio adverts, and wasted a lot of time researching how best to change the public perception that these Safety Cameras are purely an income generator and you insist on calling them Speed Cameras.

For Gods sake, get the point not the....................................................

These "safety cameras" will "safely" remove 80 euros from your bank a/c as often as possible. Then, and only then will you be safe.WHAT A SCAM!:mad:

Stonewolf

They're speed cameras and a method of generating revenue outside of the regular tax net, plain and simple.

If they were "safety cameras" they'd be fixed, unmanned and brightly coloured with considerable warnings on the road of thier existance.

If they were "safety cameras" the penalty points would be your sole needed punishment, there wouldn't be a fine.

Capt'n Midnight

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

These sofisticated cameras are no ordinary camera, they are ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) , They can log every number plate of every car passing a set location of up to 3000 per hour, they willl also be hooked up to the Garda Pulse system.

Big Brother will definitally be watching you :eek:

Big brother already knows where your mobile phone is.

It should be easy to create an average speed camera based on when mobile phones connect to individual masts.

dirtynosebeps

ohhhh for gods sake will youse get over it. the speed limits aren't there for poor oul granma our for a sunday drive, grandad in his yaris or any leaner drivers. these are there for you and your safty. theres to much moaning going on about these speed cameras. theres only one way your going to get caught speeding and thats if you break the speed limit. i'd bet most of poseters here in favor are the ones that stick to the speed limits and have nothing to hide.
so the begrudgers get over it. if you get caught speeding tough. you deserve everything you get ,hopefully it'll teach you a lesson.

Batiste

yep you can check out speed cameras on google earth,and there will be mobile ones too,and very random

Duckytech

Just looking over the link:

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=5590

At the bottom it says:

''These sections of the road network will be where An Garda Síochána will be primarily focussing our enforcement. We will use a range of equipment such as:

• Handheld and tripod mounted laser guns;
• Vehicle mounted Puma speed detection equipment, (both marked and unmarked vehicles);
• Van mounted automatic speed detection radars (Garda operated);
• Van mounted Go-Safe vans (civilian operated).''


''Van mounted Go-Safe vans (civilian operated)''

What are these???


+ I actually hope this campaign is managed and executed right. Hopefully it dosent end up being a farce and only adding to the existing public resentment to previous 'safety camera' projects. We have all become educated with regards to drink driving...there is no reason why it shouldn't happen with speeding.

I have to say that i would love to know what method goes into the classification of limits on certain roads. I know the speed limit shown is only an indication and not a goal to reach, but some councils seem to have got it arseways!

Steveirl2010

Duckytech wrote: »

Just looking over the link:

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=5590

At the bottom it says:

''These sections of the road network will be where An Garda Síochána will be primarily focussing our enforcement. We will use a range of equipment such as:

• Handheld and tripod mounted laser guns;
• Vehicle mounted Puma speed detection equipment, (both marked and unmarked vehicles);
• Van mounted automatic speed detection radars (Garda operated);
• Van mounted Go-Safe vans (civilian operated).''


''Van mounted Go-Safe vans (civilian operated)''

What are these???


+ I actually hope this campaign is managed and executed right. Hopefully it dosent end up being a farce and only adding to the existing public resentment to previous 'safety camera' projects.

We have all become educated with regards to drink driving...there is no reason why it shouldn't happen with speeding.

I dont see a list of places were they are located all i see is google map when i go to the link

jaffa20

Steveirl2010 wrote: »

I dont see a list of places were they are located all i see is google map when i go to the link

You don't see the little red lines all over the map?

chrisp2281

Go safe has nothing to do with the Road Safety Authority. It is part of the Spectra retail group.

The question is, are they on commission for every car they catch???

catlovesmike

Speed camera, safety camera, it does the same job. We may not like it but it's here. Slow down and you have nothing to worry about!! Personally I would be more interested in seeing red light cameras installed. Shout at me if you like but while you're driving today count just how many people go through those endangering lives...

Mister men

chrisp2281 wrote: »

Go safe has nothing to do with the Road Safety Authority. It is part of the Spectra retail group.

The question is, are they on commission for every car they catch???

They say they are'nt but i don't believe a word of it. There will be no leeway at all with the private company. 1kmph over the speed limit and the bill will be through the letterbox.

hougl0xdktibzv

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foggy_lad

Trey Ripe Rakishly wrote: »

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to put it simply, anywhere that people exceed the speed limit whether by 1kph or 50-80kph is a danger to other road users who are restrained and controlled enough to remain within the quoted speed limits!

if anyone breaks the law and speeds by any margin they will hopefully pay the price in fines and penalty points!

kormak

I've been trying to see this wonderful map all morning on http://www.garda.ie/
and all I keep getting is Service Unavailable
isn't that convenient? anyone else getting this??

foggy_lad

kormak wrote: »

I've been trying to see this wonderful map all morning on http://www.garda.ie/
and all I keep getting is Service Unavailable
isn't that convenient? anyone else getting this??

they are probably moving all the cameras around now that people think they know where they are:D:D

trad

Everyone here is concerned about "Safety Cameras". Here's what most people have overlooked.

By speed detection being outsourced, this frees up a lot of man hours for Garda Traffic units who now have time on their hands and, having lost the "shooting fish in a barrel" for their monthly return of work, now have to concentrate on other offences, so forget speeding, stay off your mobile phone, don't run a "late" amber light and behave yourself out there.

westmeath1

did anyone see those jobs advertised anywhere to sit in one of these vans and watch the world go by??

joanas

Also trying to view the website and am unable to.

Cookie_Monster

kormak wrote: »

I've been trying to see this wonderful map all morning on http://www.garda.ie/
and all I keep getting is Service Unavailable
isn't that convenient? anyone else getting this??

+1 website is obviously over loaded with so many people checking it out.

_112358

The website is down because of too many requests.

And, as far as I know, the cameras will be in KY reg Transit vans. I'm pretty sure about the KY part.

creativedrinker

This is a joke, I've seen 3 or 4 of the speed trap markings on the m50



Sure half the crashes are in country areas and it's mainly not down to speed. The main accident cause in this country is the roads, there in bits!!!

And I've seen some places that are a 80km zone and if you did that you would wipe your self out and have seen crashes in these areas but the 50/60 zones on straights that could be a lot quicker have no crashes on them


If I saw them stick a speed camera on blind corners or parts where it's not safe to speed I would agree but on a motor way or long straight??

Sure if you drive north, without a border you will know your up north due to the quality of the roads!!

Cookie_Monster

_112358 wrote: »

The website is down because of too many requests.

And, as far as I know, the cameras will be in KY reg Transit vans. I'm pretty sure about the KY part.

some of the will by KY reg, but not all, I've heard.

They can be grey or white mainly, mainly transit or Iveco but with random others, some with Garda written on them, others not.

blackis200

I'd like to know if Gardai will be able to get off with speeding infringements when driving Garda vehicles in situations (non emergency) where blue lights are not visably flashing for the photo?
Also, in Irish law, is it legislated that registration plates need to be photogenic or do the plates just need to be human readable?

flyingsnail

westmeath1 wrote: »

did anyone see those jobs advertised anywhere to sit in one of these vans and watch the world go by??

I remember seeing for the Waterford area, an interest / experience in photography was an advantage.

Cookie_Monster

blackis200 wrote: »

I'd like to know if Gardai will be able to get off with speeding infringements when driving Garda vehicles in situations (non emergency) where blue lights are not visably flashing for the photo?

of course, they are exempt from the ROTR regardless of lights on or not

corktina

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

some of the will by KY reg, but not all, I've heard.

They can be grey or white mainly, mainly transit or Iveco but with random others, some with Garda written on them, others not.

KY reg is an advert for KY jelly, which is a recomended lubricant for situations such as this.....:D

blackis200

mmcn90 wrote: »

Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't there markings on the M50 for Speed/Safety Cameras.

There is no such thing as a Safety Camera.
There is only a Speed (DETECTION) Camera used for the purpose of raising revenue through a sophisticated method of issuing fines. Attached to the revenue raising is a smoke and mirrors system of awarding penalty points, which means absolutely nothing to foreigners or citizens who hold foreign drivers licences.
The penalty point system discriminates against holders of Irish licences by awarding points to locals only. It's kind of like trying to do the right thing by recycling materials at the Ashbourne Bring centre.

BrianD

the RSA have an accident database. One presumes that this was used as an input into the process:

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Road-Safety/Our-Research/Ireland-Road-Collisions/

L1011

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Big brother already knows where your mobile phone is.

It should be easy to create an average speed camera based on when mobile phones connect to individual masts.

With atrocious 'certainty' in rural areas. It would be impossible to create a reliable speed monitoring system based on mobile cells.

HurlyBurly

The real killer will be 50 & 60 k zones entering & exiting built up areas. especially little towns around the country.
Guaranteed that's where most will be caught.

Most of those zones are way too long and there's no need for them, almost impossible to stick to 50 in them.

blackis200

MYOB wrote: »

With atrocious 'certainty' in rural areas. It would be impossible to create a reliable speed monitoring system based on mobile cells.

So, if you are a passenger with a mobile and the driver doesn't have a mobile phone, how would it work?

BrianD

They could use average vehicle speed on main routes especially motorways. Gantry with ANPR (number plate reader) measures at point A. If the driver sticks to the speed limit then they will not pass the next gantry at point B until a certain amount of time. If they arrive earlier then a ticket issued. Can also check on your tax and insurance. Perfect for motorway use and frees up the Garda for enforcement on minor roads.

@blackis200 - Your post is very misinformed. There's no revenue raised if you stick to the rules of the road whether you're local or foreign.