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The Tourist Route Schemes (National Secondaries)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    What is a Type 3 Single Carriageway? I can't seem to find any official descrption anywhere. Most of the explanations I can find online seem to indicate that it has 2 lanes in one direction and one in the other. In what way is this different to a 2+1 road?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,142 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    2+1 is a "Type 3 Dual Carriageway", important distinction... this would seem to be a 7 or 8M carriageway, no H/S and segregated cycle lanes.

    I wonder if the N56 scheme is going to bypass Glenties? Makes no sense to end at what I assume is the junction with the R262 (which through traffic is directed to take to avoid Ardara and some terrible bends) if you still need to go through Glenties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭marmurr1916


    Jayuu wrote: »
    What is a Type 3 Single Carriageway? I can't seem to find any official descrption anywhere. Most of the explanations I can find online seem to indicate that it has 2 lanes in one direction and one in the other. In what way is this different to a 2+1 road?

    This is from the Donegal Co. Council website:

    Type 3 Single Carriageway (T3SC) Pilot Project
    Lightly trafficked national secondary routes on the western seaboard often pass through highly scenic and environmentally sensitive areas. Such routes are often poorly aligned and narrow with frequent junctions/ accesses. Full scale improvements to reduced single or standard single carriageway standard would be difficult to justify from an economic perspective and would most likely result in unacceptable environmental impact. The Type 3 Single Carriageway road type (T3SC) is a lower standard than the reduced single carriageway and is being considered as an alternative option for improvements to these routes that takes into account both the low traffic volumes and the receiving environment.

    The section of the existing N56 from Dungloe to the Kilraine junction south of Glenties fits the criteria that the T3SC is aimed at. An analysis of traffic suggested it would be suitable as a T3SC pilot project and, following an application by Donegal County Council, it has been selected by the National Roads Authority as one of four pilot sites nationwide.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    MYOB wrote: »
    2+1 is a "Type 3 Dual Carriageway", important distinction... this would seem to be a 7 or 8M carriageway, no H/S and segregated cycle lanes.

    Good guess, great even . For the completists Wide Single is now gone and replaced by

    Standard = 3m Verge + 2.5m HS + 3.65+3.65 Carriageway + 2.5m HS + 3m Verge = 12m Pavement and 6m Verge ( probably Type 1 SC)

    Reduced Standard
    = 3m Verge + 0.5m HS + 3.5+3.5 Carriageway + 0.5m HS + 3m Verge = 8m Pavement and 6m Verge ( probably Type 2 SC)

    TYPE 3 Single Carriageway ( T3SC ) = 1.5m Verge + 0m HS + 3.5+3.5 Carriageway + 0.0m HS + 1.5m Verge = 7m Pavement and 3m Verge

    It is what they built in Derrylea on the N59 , see this
    The carriageway width was designed to new DMRB design standards for low-flow rural roads with a new carriageway width of 7.0m with a 1.5m grass verge. The design was classed as a pilot scheme build for the new DMRB design standards

    I think the bicycle paths are extras, there seemingly is a Genuine Type 3 standard before the sops to the greens are included....except that it has already been piloted and built :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    Thanks for those explanation and the link.

    So its an even lower standard single lane road. Can I ask is this an improvement on what is already there, given its such a lowish standard of road?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,142 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Jayuu wrote: »
    Thanks for those explanation and the link.

    So its an even lower standard single lane road. Can I ask is this an improvement on what is already there, given its such a lowish standard of road?

    Significantly so. If you read the DCC link they mention the N56 being as narrow as 5M in places, with extreme bends. The small section already built on the N59 is one of the best sections of that road.

    The bends in question are going to have to be mostly offline, and quite significantly so in one case (Gweebarra) as they run along a cliff face of sorts!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    http://www.pobail.ie/en/AboutUs/BriefingMaterialMarch2011/

    These appear to have been hidden from Leo is all I will say :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    Talking about the N59 on RnaG this morning, as well as the Moycullen bypass. Seems some work is proposed to start later this year. (just caught the tail end of conversation)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Moycullen no longer needs a Bypass...IMO. The problem is the lethal section for c.2km just east of the village which could be realigned online (ish) ...albeit at some cost. The 'redesign' exercise for this full offline bypass and which has cost €1m over the past 3 years is a pure waste of money. Jobs for the boys.

    The Bypass was designed offline in the late 1990s and this ongoing redesign exercise is a subsidy to some road engineers in Roscommon who have nothing much to do...that's all :( However Moycullen is not proposed as T3SC and is not relevant to this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Moycullen no longer needs a Bypass...IMO. The problem is the lethal section for c.2km just east of the village which could be realigned online (ish) ...albeit at some cost. The 'redesign' exercise for this full offline bypass and which has cost €1m over the past 3 years is a pure waste of money. Jobs for the boys.

    The Bypass was designed offline in the late 1990s and this ongoing redesign exercise is a subsidy to some road engineers in Roscommon who have nothing much to do...that's all :( However Moycullen is not proposed as T3SC and is not relevant to this thread.

    Well original bypass was designed in the 70's! -- well as I said I caught the tail end of conversation. I believe it was specifically about Oughterard to Cliften (An Clochán), they just threw in mention of Moycullen as well at the end of the piece.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Hoof Hearted


    If they just implemented the following options which would be much cheaper than outright reconstruction, it would go a long way to improving the standard of these roads. No one is really calling for long sight lines for these roads after all they are secondary. (except for heavily traveled sections)

    1. Stop using "surface dressing" and used proper asphalt to surface these roads. Surface dressing is so third world like - it's rough, noisy, coarse, and wears tyres three times faster than asphalt, and gives a shìtty impression to foreigners/investors
    2. Bank these road properly to counteract g forces when encountering winding sections.
    3. Keep the road width consistent for a given section of road, sometimes this is just a matter of cutting back the foilage, patting a bit of tar down with a shovel.
    4. De-commission secondaries that aren't necessary.
    5. Did I say use asphalt? If not once again use asphalt to stop me cringing every time I go to Ireland. (Now 16 years in the US)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    My understanding was that the Moycullen bypass was to be Type 2 DC (ie 2+2) and be lumped in with the Galway Bypass once that was ready to go in one PPP.

    Of course with the GCOB in the courts and the PPPs down the tubes thats got little chance of happening.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Moycullen Bypass and Clifden-Oughterard are both suspended.

    http://www.galwaynews.ie/20906-two-galway-road-projects-suspended
    Transport Minister Leo Vradkar (sic) has ordered the NRA to halt work on the N59 Cliften to Oughterard secondary route and plans for the Moycullen Bypass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,142 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    indo claims dungloe glenties is suspended too.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Indo List of suspensions
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/projects-in-the-pipeline-that-are-now-suspended-2842853.html

    N56 Dungloe to Glenties.
    N56 Mountcharles to Inver.
    N59 Clifden to Oughterard.
    N59 Moycullen bypass.
    N59 Westport to Mulranny.
    N86 Tralee to Dingle.
    N87 Ballyconnell inner relief road.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Sponge Bob wrote: »

    Keep an eye out for an 'unsuspension' or a partial unsuspension. :D

    This jobbie has been subdivided into sections A B and C and a Bord Pleanala Hearing on the EIS is expected to take place this year.

    http://www.regdesign.com/pdf%20files/N59Westport-Mulranny/NIS/MGE0237RP0007F01_NIS_Doc.pdf

    Meanwhile
    Sponge Bob wrote: »

    4.2km was saved from the axe near Annascaul.

    http://etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=DEC297657

    I further understand that a smidge of N56 may go ahead too. It has a thread already but those schemes above will probably need one each :D

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71318469

    The N59 Oughterard - Clifden scheme will need an EIS according to a direction last October from An Bord Pleanála. The EIS may be funded this year.


  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,896 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    The CPO notice for the rest of the N86 Camp-Dingle scheme was published in the Kerryman two weeks ago. It ran to more than 30 pages!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Take the money off these dopey Kerrymen :(

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0125/1224310709923.html
    THE WORLD-famous scenic route winding its way to Dingle through mountains and overlooking the Atlantic Ocean along by Inch Strand is to be straightened out under plans by Kerry County Council and the National Roads Authority.
    It is also to be a pilot scheme for the NRA’s new “type-three single-carriageway” road, with one-way cycle lanes on either side of the three-metre-wide single-lane carriageways.
    However, some tourist operators in the region are raising concerns that the character of the traditional road into the west Kerry Gaeltacht will be lost under the project, which is likely to be completed over four years.

    Ho Ho Ho , make that 40 years lads.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    This "cycle lanes" on rural roads model is unworkable unless they have the money to constantly sweep them. The standard hard shoulder is more effective and provides a better level of service for cyclists.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    This "cycle lanes" on rural roads model is unworkable unless they have the money to constantly sweep them. The standard hard shoulder is more effective and provides a better level of service for cyclists.

    These very rural Type 3 or 'Low Volume' (or T3SC here on Boards harking back to the unsearchable three letter acronym days) road types have no hard shoulder dude. Cycle lanes are optional, some will have them some not.

    The road type is appropriate for most user classes but if you wish to make the NRA change its mind then cycling interests should perhaps make a COLLECTIVE case for using Reduced Standard ( known as Type 2 Single Carriageway) on scenic routes like this.

    From further up in the thread. Road Types. > http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68991474&postcount=5 . All single carriageway National Roads are designed to these standards as are regional roads too I should think.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Ok we may be talking across each other here. Our position is that if the "road" (as opposed to "roadway") is being widened to the point that there is room for either cycle lanes or hard shoulders, then the better option for the cyclists is to use the standard yellow hard shoulder aka "road verge" marking.

    Within the current Irish context, hard shoulders are viewed as having significant advantages over cycle lanes, particularly for rural roads


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    I don't think the point had been adequately made to the NRA. Would a 0.5m hard shoulder be enough for you guys anyway or would you perhaps prefer a Scenic Variant Type 2 with wider hard shoulders??

    The other thing to remember is that what suits an off roader/mountain biker and what suits eg a triathlete on a racing bike is yet another variance...so try to remember what kind of cyclist you are representing here. :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    I don't think the point had been adequately made to the NRA. Would a 0.5m hard shoulder be enough for you guys anyway or would you perhaps prefer a Scenic Variant Type 2 with wider hard shoulders??

    No the minimum width would be 2m (less and cyclists can end up getting less clearance from passing motor traffic than if nothing was marked at all). For rural roads 2.5 - 3m would be better.

    To explain the width issue, in a Galway context, I would advise cyclists not to enter the cycle lanes in Parkmore as they are only 1m wide. On the Western Distributor road the cycle lanes are only 1.5m wide so I would tend to cycle along the lane marking.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    I don't think the point had been adequately made to the NRA. Would a 0.5m hard shoulder be enough for you guys anyway or would you perhaps prefer a Scenic Variant Type 2 with wider hard shoulders??

    The other thing to remember is that what suits an off roader/mountain biker and what suits eg a triathlete on a racing bike is yet another variance...so try to remember what kind of cyclist you are representing here. :D

    If you are using cycle lanes instead of hard shoulders then in my view road cyclists are less likely to use that space. Therefore it is my conclusion that using cycle lanes instead of hard shoulders on rural roads carries increased risk of fatal collisions and reflects extremely poorly on the judgement of those involved.

    While road cyclists will not use the kind of stuff mountain bikers use, I cannnot imagine it the other way around, that mountain bikers would refuse to use a surface a road cyclist would be happy with.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    In that case I strongly suggest you engage the NRA on the Standards in use. Only the S1 Standard (as in the bit between Bushypark and East of Moycullen) comes with the Hard shoulders you want.

    S1 is overkill in most rural areas but a cycle friendly Reduced S2 Variant with 2m instead of 0.5m Hard Shoulders would suffice.

    At present no such standard exists in the design manual which means it cannot be designed and built ....and your first stop must be the Design Manual ....it comes from NRA HQ.

    Once the Design Manual permits it it may happen. I would consider it a jolly good idea on National Secondaries in Galway Mayo Donegal Clare Sligo Cork and Kerry...even Wicklow.

    The first person I would talk to is Michael Ring. In the case of the Mayo Greenway they will take cyclists and walkers offline and can then build a Type 3 Road for motorised vehicles. It may not be that simple elsewhere.

    Also find out what happened to this long haul plan ?? http://www.transport.ie/pressRelease.aspx?Id=85 . In a lot of cases they can use former national Roads with the hard shoulder you require.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    The Oral hearings for the Moycullen bypass were on this week. The 3 day hearing completed yesterday. A decision on the project is expected by the end of June.

    The Project documentation on the Galway County Council website, here's a brief summary (have just skimmed the summary doc).
    The proposed road is 4.3km "standard single carriageway" and will be connecting to the existing N59 approx 1.5km south & 2 KM north of the village. The preferred route goes to the east of the village.

    203459.jpg

    Here are the highlights from the articles published on www.galwaynews.ie (linked below):
    Approx cost €40m
    Expected traffic reduction in Moycullen village 65%
    Expected traffic increase during works 20%
    Land acquisition 324 plots of land from 105 landowners
    59 Submissions - Dept AHG, Inland Fisheries, 55 landowners (5 were widthdrawn) & two others (not detailed)
    Peter Sweetman can't find a good reason to object:
    Environmental campaigner Peter Sweetman made an oral submission to the bypass at todays hearing.

    He said he wants to make sure that if it's approved, it's approved by Irish and European law.


    ****e we all want that, kinda proves he's nothing but an interfering, publicity chasing (contra charter set of insults).

    Brief reports from Galwaynews:
    http://www.galwaynews.ie/25573-hearing-moycullen-bypass-opens-today
    http://www.galwaynews.ie/25576-oral-hearing-moycullen-pass-underway
    http://www.galwaynews.ie/25578-oral-hearing-told-moycullen-pass-will-take-two-years
    http://www.galwaynews.ie/25585-day-two-hearing-moycullen-bypass
    http://www.galwaynews.ie/25630-moycullen-bypass-hearing-concludes


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    The serious dip and bridge on the Uggool/Clydagh boundary is holding up around €250m worth of Windfarm projects that are through planning or in planning in Connemara.

    The turbines simply cannot be brought as far as Moycullen on the existing road. They are rather long you see. :)

    Bridge shown on the map where the "A" is in "An Chlaidhdí" . I won't comment on Sweetman who was representing something with a name like "Snails and Swans Limited" at the hearings. Why he couldn't go 'as himself' I don't know...it is probably to limit potential costs in a future court case.

    I'd charge him with reckless trading on the spot. :(


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    If this takes the traffic off the section of the N59 immediately south of Moycullen then these works would be very welcome. That is a nasty stretch of road on a bike. Ideally they could close that stretch to through motor traffic altogether and use it as a walking and cycling route. Then the main issue would be to tackle the short section after the Glenlo Abbey hotel and we would have a half decent commuter cycling route from Galway to Moycullen.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    If this takes the traffic off the section of the N59 immediately south of Moycullen then these works would be very welcome. That is a nasty stretch of road on a bike. Ideally they could close that stretch to through motor traffic altogether and use it as a walking and cycling route. Then the main issue would be to tackle the short section after the Glenlo Abbey hotel and we would have a half decent commuter cycling route from Galway to Moycullen.

    Thats the stretch. Unfortunately it will not be closed to through traffic as there will be a junction between the old and new roads around there just west of the existing bridge in the dip. Traffic will be reduced of course and it could all be a 50kph zone.

    The Glenlo 'chicane' is to be done as part of the Galway Bypass and when the land is acquired for the bypass it could be immediately bulldozed straight so that motorists can see cyclists in the bend.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭cargo


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    The serious dip and bridge on the Uggool/Clydagh boundary is holding up around €250m worth of Windfarm projects that are through planning or in planning in Connemara.

    The turbines simply cannot be brought as far as Moycullen on the existing road. They are rather long you see. :)

    Bridge shown on the map where the "A" is in "An Chlaidhdí" . :(

    where's the bridge SB?

    Is this it?

    http://g.co/maps/xjk2t


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭tharlear


    From my recolation this plan has been in the works since the early nineties. Besides, luddites, sweetman at all, developers wanting it to go west of the village to open up land for development, and no money. Why did it take so long to get to a hearing?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    A Moycullen Bypass was first planned around 40 years ago. What they may well do is get this through planning, complete the CPOs at the east end of the scheme , widen the road either side of that bridge by knocking walls and putting in fencing etc and abandon the scheme at that point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Storm2


    antoobrien wrote: »
    203459.jpg

    I know I'm going off topic here (shoot me now :rolleyes: ) but where did that map extract come from? Seeing Local Road numbers on a map is immensely satisfying.

    Going on topic, though I've never been to Dingle, if I were to head down there now and head down again in 10-15 years time I would probably enjoy the former. The bends are what makes it good fun IMHO. Straights are more useful for Mr. Farmer and Mrs. Safety Conscious Mother :P but for driving fun you have the bends to keep you awake.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Irish and Proud


    Was driving on the Derrylea Realignment (Single Type 3) approaching Clifden on the N59 - it's 3.8km (according to this) was a pleasure to drive on.

    More please! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Storm2 wrote: »
    I know I'm going off topic here (shoot me now :rolleyes: ) but where did that map extract come from? Seeing Local Road numbers on a map is immensely satisfying.

    It looks like an OSI map, it was taken from the scheme information.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭ManAboutCouch


    Storm2 wrote: »
    I know I'm going off topic here (shoot me now :rolleyes: ) but where did that map extract come from? Seeing Local Road numbers on a map is immensely satisfying.

    That's an extract of an OSi 1:50,000 Discovery Series map, with data overlaid on top. Those Local Road numbers aren't on the OSi map, they're part of the overlay (along with the proposed road alignment etc.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    If this takes the traffic off the section of the N59 immediately south of Moycullen then these works would be very welcome. That is a nasty stretch of road on a bike. Ideally they could close that stretch to through motor traffic altogether and use it as a walking and cycling route. Then the main issue would be to tackle the short section after the Glenlo Abbey hotel and we would have a half decent commuter cycling route from Galway to Moycullen.

    Ideally if they get the finger out and do the Greenway from Galway to Cliftden it would offer an even better option. You can see the line of old railway marked in that map. Given that it runs not far from the shore of the lake/river I would imagine the gradient isn't bad on it at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Not sure if it fits in here but they've found €2m for the N67 Ballinderreen-Kinvara
    Funding of over two million euro has been allocated to improve and extend the N67 Ballinderreen to Kinvara route.

    Construction on the first phase of the scheme, a point 7 kilometre section of the route at Pollagh is expected to get underway soon.

    Design work and land acquisition will continue on the remainder of the scheme and the development will include a cycle track.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Was driving on the Derrylea Realignment (Single Type 3) approaching Clifden on the N59 - it's 3.8km (according to this) was a pleasure to drive on.

    More please! :D

    More please indeed. Though I am still scarred from the length of delays caused by the series of traffic lights during work on that stretch. People lost years of their lives :D



    Sponge Bob, where are the wind farms you speak of to be located, just out of curiosity?



    That chicane, the bridge and dip are three features I won't miss from that road. The rest is located between Moycullen and Recess :D N59 is in serious need of TLC upgrading.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    johngalway wrote: »
    Sponge Bob, where are the wind farms you speak of to be located, just out of curiosity?


    Generally east of Maam and west of Moycullen.


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,102 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    The N56 between Glenties and Dunglow needs a lot of work - not only is it tortouosly twisty in places but it's very narrow too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,142 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    The N56 between Glenties and Dunglow needs a lot of work - not only is it tortouosly twisty in places but it's very narrow too.

    One realignment is fairly well underway and the CPO application for another is in and was meant to be decided by last week but has had its date changed to the end of next month:

    http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/KA0021.htm


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    The most easterly third of the Galway N59 scheme ( ie the Oughterard- Maam Cross section extracted from Oughterard - Clifden) is going into An Bord Pleanála next week.

    http://www.galwaynews.ie/28142-significant-progress-upgrading-road-oughterard-maam-cross


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    With another part of Donegal thru An Bord Pleanála here are the 'live' schemes right now.

    1. Westport to Newport and Newport to Mulranny Mayo c.20km N59
    2. West of Glenties to south of Dungloe Donegal c20km N56
    3 West of Oughterard to Maam Cross Galway c.15km N59
    4. Annascaul to Gortbreagoge c.4km N86


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    I understand that An Bord Pleanala have rejected the N86 proposals as submitted. The NRA/Kerry Co. Co. have been told to scale back the design and take out the cycle paths and put them somewhere else.

    I haven't seen the full decision yet but if confirmed it would be a huge victory for common sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,142 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I understand that An Bord Pleanala have rejected the N86 proposals as submitted. The NRA/Kerry Co. Co. have been told to scale back the design and take out the cycle paths and put them somewhere else.

    I haven't seen the full decision yet but if confirmed it would be a huge victory for common sense.

    This likely means it won't happen at all, as the contract must start before a set date (Sponge will know, I can't remember).

    I'd find it odd that their decisions would be based on the cyclepaths, though, as they're standard on these schemes and others have gone through ABP.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    End 2013 to start digging onsite I believe although I have also heard 2014.

    Around 20km of the N56 and 21km of the N59 ( in Mayo) is through an Bord Pleanála (both mainly since July) with another 18-19 km in Galway going to a hearing shortly. The Kerry fragment around Annascaul could lose out entirely.

    There are non T3 schemes through planning with ABP on those roads too, eg Mountcharles - Inver in Donegal and the Moycullen bypass in Galway later this month I would think.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    MYOB wrote: »

    I'd find it odd that their decisions would be based on the cyclepaths, though, as they're standard on these schemes and others have gone through ABP.

    How are cycle paths "standard"? Could you be confusing hard shoulders with cycle paths? What other schemes?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    You cannot put cyclists on a Type 3, too narrow. Why not read the WHOLE thread. Eamon Ryan wanted cycle track(s) on BOTH sides IIRC. :)

    http://www.donegalcoco.ie/services/roadstransport/majorprojects/Dungloe-Glenties.htm

    Type 3 Single Carriageway (T3SC) Pilot Project
    Lightly trafficked national secondary routes on the western seaboard often pass through highly scenic and environmentally sensitive areas. Such routes are often poorly aligned and narrow with frequent junctions/ accesses. Full scale improvements to reduced single or standard single carriageway standard would be difficult to justify from an economic perspective and would most likely result in unacceptable environmental impact. The Type 3 Single Carriageway road type (T3SC) is a lower standard than the reduced single carriageway and is being considered as an alternative option for improvements to these routes that takes into account both the low traffic volumes and the receiving environment.
    The section of the existing N56 from Dungloe to the Kilraine junction south of Glenties fits the criteria that the T3SC is aimed at. An analysis of traffic suggested it would be suitable as a T3SC pilot project and, following an application by Donegal County Council, it has been selected by the National Roads Authority as one of four pilot sites nationwide.


    Description of the Project
    The proposed project involves the design and construction of approximately 27km of new National Secondary Road from Dungloe to the Kilraine junction south of Glenties. The scheme also includes the provision of a cycletrack for it’s full lengt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,142 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    How are cycle paths "standard"? Could you be confusing hard shoulders with cycle paths? What other schemes?

    This scheme is a Type III single carriageway, an NRA standard that includes off-road cycle lanes.

    TIIIs have already been built.


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