Northern Irish at the Irish Embassy in London?

Nolanger

Here's what confuses me! Prince Charles visits the Irish embassy in London and meet the big names from this land. Yet some of the people there were from Northern Ireland. Some of these Northern Irish must have British passports as they are Unionist politicians. So why were they invited and why did they attend?

deise go deo

Cad tá á tagairt agut?
What are you referencing?

Cakes.

Ian Paisely was there

Big Mouth

Nationalists / Republicans / Sinn Fein are scumbags :rolleyes:. End Thread \

deise go deo

Big Mouth wrote: »

Nationalists / Republicans / Sinn Fein are scumbags :rolleyes:. End Thread \

Iarthar na Breataine:pac:
Westbrit.:pac:

Cé go trom, ba chóir nach cén fáth go bhfuil aontachtaithe bhí ann?
Seriously though op, why shouldent unionists have been there?

Wolfe Tone

Absolute fair play Deise, wish I had the confidence and ability in Irish to do that.

deise go deo

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Absolute fair play Deise, wish I had the confidence and ability in Irish to do that.

Is Google aistriúchán do cara.;) Cuidíonn sé leis an litriú, cé uaireanta na haistriúcháin a thagann amach beagán mícheart agus gur gá iad a bheith chuir timpeall thart leis. Cuidíonn sé dom an cúpla focal a fhoghlaim freisin.

Is Focal.ie freisin an-chabhrach


Google translate is your freind;) It helps with the spelling, though sometimes the translations come out abit wrong and need to be fiddled around with. It helps me learn the vocab too.

Focal.ie is also very helpful.

Rebelheart

Nolanger wrote: »

Here's what confuses me! Prince Charles visits the Irish embassy in London and meet the big names from this land. Yet some of the people there were from Northern Ireland. Some of these Northern Irish must have British passports as they are Unionist politicians. So why were they invited and why did they attend?

So, Irish people born in the gerrymandered occupied Six Counties are no longer Irish? Seán Murphy from Crossmaglen is not as Irish as Seán Murphy from Carrigaline?

Or, tell us, Seán Murphy of Carrigaline would have not been "Irish" prior to 6 December 1922? The Irish living under British colonial occupation = the Irish people don't exist?

I think it's really positive that Irish people from all parts of the country are congregating in the Irish Embassy when they are in London. That you've a problem with this is, for want of a better word, misguided. That Ian Paisley is even treating us as rational human beings is astonishing given where he's come from. The partition of this tiny, tiny country is obscene. And, personally, I detest Meteor.ie for telling me that I'm now in a "foreign country" when I visit my family in Armagh. Reynolds, Hume, Adams: hang your heads in shame. There's only one Ireland and my family, north and south, are not going to be broken apart by this British nationalist myth that one side is less Irish than the other. Ráiméis of the highest order.

sirromo

People in the north are Irish.

Article 2 of the constitution:

It is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its islands and seas, to be part of the Irish Nation

Jaap

Nolanger wrote: »

Here's what confuses me! Prince Charles visits the Irish embassy in London and meet the big names from this land. Yet some of the people there were from Northern Ireland. Some of these Northern Irish must have British passports as they are Unionist politicians. So why were they invited and why did they attend?

I think it must be something to do with British and Irish relations dont you!
A very weird thread!

bmaxi

Jaap wrote: »

I think it must be something to do with British and Irish relations dont you!
A very weird thread!

No, a very commonplace thread. Cue the mudslinging. Tiresome.

KeithAFC

Are Unionists not allowed to think of themselves as Irish? Or is this not allowed?

maxxie

KeithAFC wrote: »

Are Unionists not allowed to think of themselves as Irish? Or is this not allowed?

They are proud to live under the crown and consider themselves British! One or the other!

Wolfe Tone

KeithAFC wrote: »

Are Unionists not allowed to think of themselves as Irish? Or is this not allowed?

Its ok, everyone in Britain thinks of you as Irish anyways

xflyer

Some of these Northern Irish must have British passports as they are Unionist politicians. So why were they invited and why did they attend?

Because they are Irish. It is possible to be Irish and proud of it and British and proud of it at the same time.

KeithAFC

maxxie wrote: »

They are proud to live under the crown and consider themselves British! One or the other!

Some consider themselves British. Some consider themselves Irish. What matters most to me is they are Unionists.

KeithAFC

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Its ok, everyone in Britain thinks of you as Irish anyways

Im as British as them. Like lady thatcher said, we are as British as finchley.

maxxie

KeithAFC wrote: »

Some consider themselves British. Some consider themselves Irish. What matters most to me is they are Unionists.

You can have all the unionists you want mate not one of them is Irish in my eyes!

KeithAFC

maxxie wrote: »

You can have all the unionists you want mate not one of them is Irish in my eyes!

I don't think they care what you think to be honest.

Wolfe Tone

KeithAFC wrote: »

Im as British as them. Like lady thatcher said, we are as British as finchley.

Keep thinking that, to them you are just(seen as we are quoting PMs) a bunch of Spongers.

maxxie

KeithAFC wrote: »

I don't think they care what you think to be honest.

Nobody here cares about your love for thatcher so hit the road ian!

KeithAFC

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Keep thinking that, to them you are just(seen as we are quoting PMs) a bunch of Spongers.

Possibly the worst quote ever from a PM.

Wolfe Tone

KeithAFC wrote: »

Possibly the worst quote ever from a PM.

Truth hurts eh?

Sure Churchill didnt want you either, wanted to swap you. Would he have offered Wales or Scotland? Didnt think so.

danbohan

KeithAFC wrote: »

Possibly the worst quote ever from a PM.

possibly the most accurate as well !

KeithAFC

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Truth hurts eh?

Sure Churchill didnt want you either, wanted to swap you.

Being a sponger is being proud of your heritage? That is funny. A lot of people may have tried getting rid of us, still here.

maxxie

KeithAFC wrote: »

Being a sponger is being proud of your heritage? That is funny. A lot of people may have tried getting rid of us, still here.

NO SURRENDER.. give it up dude nobody gives a fock! British government care about money not heritage! They dont want you, what do you have to offer them other than loyalty?

Mr.Micro

The poster KeithAFC is entitled to his opinion and if he lives in NI he is British, just as the Welsh,Scots and English are.

danbohan

KeithAFC wrote: »

Being a sponger is being proud of your heritage? That is funny. A lot of people may have tried getting rid of us, still here.

for now

Iwasfrozen

Rebelheart wrote: »

So, Irish people born in the gerrymandered occupied Six Counties are no longer Irish?

If you want people to take you seriously, stop calling Northern Ireland occupied.

Iwasfrozen

maxxie wrote: »

They are proud to live under the crown and consider themselves British! One or the other!

Elisabeth II is Queen of Northern Ireland aswell. They can be Irish and Unionist. It is never one or the other.

OhNoYouDidn't

Mr.Micro wrote: »

The poster KeithAFC is entitled to his opinion and if he lives in NI he is British, just as the Welsh,Scots and English are.

Do you need me to buy you an atlas?

KeithAFC

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Do you need me to buy you an atlas?

:pac: Can't be serious.

Mr.Micro

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Do you need me to buy you an atlas?

Use it yourself first.

The British (also known as Britons, informally Brits, or archaically Britishers) are citizens of the United Kingdom, of the Isle of Man, one of the Channel Islands, or of one of the British overseas territories, and their descendants. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_(people)

The UK as far as I know includes NI, Wales, England and Scotland

deise go deo

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Use it yourself first.

The British (also known as Britons, informally Brits, or archaically Britishers) are citizens of the United Kingdom, of the Isle of Man, one of the Channel Islands, or of one of the British overseas territories, and their descendants. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_(people)

The UK as far as I know includes NI, Wales, England and Scotland

Britain: The Island of Great Britain is the Island made up of England, Wales and Scotland.

Ireland is not joined to that Island.

NI is part of the Island of Ireland, Not the island of Britain.

NI is however part of the UK, Or to give it is proper title. The United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.

geespot

the british would love to give the six counties of northern ireland back for many reasons 1. its an embarasment (dont forget they voted for ian paisley) they are backward and retarded 2. its a big unending money pit and 3. they have already promised the ira they would give it back if they would give up there armed struggle as unbeaten champions

Rebelheart

KeithAFC wrote: »

Im as British as them. Like lady thatcher said, we are as British as finchley.

hehe. Ah but in fairness, Keith, the piss was absolutely taken out of Thatcher for that hilarious claim. It was Hume who quipped: 'We hoped, at least for the sake of Finchley, that she was wrong.'

As it happened it wasn't Finchley that she allowed a "foreign" state to have a say in the running of in the Anglo-Irish Agreement. So much for the reality behind that comparison.

Rebelheart

Mr.Micro wrote: »

therefore people resident in NI are BRITISH.

By the very same logic, do you also believe that the people resident in Ireland between 1 January 1801 and 6 December 1922 were also "British"?

Mr.Micro

Rebelheart wrote: »

By the very same logic, do you also believe that the people resident in Ireland between 1 January 1801 and 6 December 1922 were also "British"?

I do believe that there is possibly an argument for that. What difference does it make anyway, getting hung up on such things?

Koloman

Nolanger wrote: »

Here's what confuses me! Prince Charles visits the Irish embassy in London and meet the big names from this land. Yet some of the people there were from Northern Ireland. Some of these Northern Irish must have British passports as they are Unionist politicians. So why were they invited and why did they attend?

It seems they want their cake and eat it too. Like the time Ian Paisley wanted Northern Ireland cows labelled "Irish" during the BSE crisis.

Rebelheart

Mr.Micro wrote: »

I do believe that there is possibly an argument for that. What difference does it make anyway, getting hung up on such things?

Because we weren't, and aren't. And it's not a matter of "getting hung up on such things" when one group of people is trying to misrepresent my identity as something other than Irish. I'm sure the British would not take too kindly to being represented as something other than British. The idea that we, the Irish, should accept that if the British invent a state covering Ireland and then claim the Irish to be "British" is preposterous, British nationalistic rubbish. And that's what you're contending when you claim the Irish still living under British rule in Ireland are consequently "British".

FTA69

KeithAFC wrote: »

Im as British as them. Like lady thatcher said, we are as British as finchley.

Yeah, she said that in South Armagh after departing a military helicopter while wearing a pair of bullet-proof vests, surrounded by heavily armed soldiers in a fortified watchtower.

Rebelheart

FTA69 wrote: »

Yeah, she said that in South Armagh after departing a military helicopter while wearing a pair of bullet-proof vests, surrounded by heavily armed soldiers in a fortified watchtower.

. hehe.

Cú Giobach

From my reading of the OP's question, the query is that these people were visiting what is to them a foreign embassy in order to meet Charlie.
From the perspective of a "staunch" Unionist, going to the Irish embassy would be the same as going to the French embassy to meet him.
I think it is a valid question, (One that I can't answer).

Iwasfrozen

Rebelheart wrote: »

Because we weren't, and aren't. And it's not a matter of "getting hung up on such things" when one group of people is trying to misrepresent my identity as something other than Irish. I'm sure the British would not take too kindly to being represented as something other than British. The idea that we, the Irish, should accept that if the British invent a state covering Ireland and then claim the Irish to be "British" is preposterous, British nationalistic rubbish. And that's what you're contending when you claim the Irish still living under British rule in Ireland are consequently "British".

People living in Northern Ireland have the right to call themselves British. Whether or not you like that is inconsequential.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Cú Giobach wrote: »

From my reading of the OP's question, the query is that these people were visiting what is to them a foreign embassy in order to meet Charlie.
From the perspective of a "staunch" Unionist, going to the Irish embassy would be the same as going to the French embassy to meet him.
I think it is a valid question, (One that I can't answer).

Aye this is what I was thinking. So whilst Patrick Kielty being there isn't unusual, I thought it very odd Barons Bannside and Trimble were there. IT was kind of like they were representatives of the Republic of Ireland(which isn't the same as being Irish, Paisley's an Irish Unionist not a citizen of the ROI)

However there is another explanation, which I suspect they would give. This was a visit to the Irish embassy in the capital of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. To them the north is just another part of the UK. They were UK citizens at a function at the embassey of the ROI in the UK

Cú Giobach

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

They were UK citizens at a function at the embassey of the ROI in the UK

A ha!! Now it becomes clear.

KeithAFC

FTA69 wrote: »

Yeah, she said that in South Armagh after departing a military helicopter while wearing a pair of bullet-proof vests, surrounded by heavily armed soldiers in a fortified watchtower.

Whats that got to do with me being British?

Rebelheart

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

People living in Northern Ireland have the right to call themselves British. Whether or not you like that is inconsequential.

People in the Six Counties also have a right to call themselves Chinese....I'm sure there's a point there somewhere.:rolleyes:

Rebelheart

KeithAFC wrote: »

Whats that got to do with me being British?

In fairness, Keith, you did supportively bring up her hilarious analogy with Finchley. When she visited Finchley did she "depart in a military helicopter while wearing a pair of bullet-proof vests, surrounded by heavily armed soldiers in a fortified watchtower." In fact, did she do this in any place over in Britain? Odd, then, that she's doing it in a place she claimed was "as British as Finchley". There's something missing, like reality. Thatcher was always good at playing the Orange Card (up until that bit of treachery in 1985, of course).

KeithAFC

Rebelheart wrote: »

In fairness, Keith, you did supportively bring up her hilarious analogy with Finchley. When she visited Finchley did she "depart in a military helicopter while wearing a pair of bullet-proof vests, surrounded by heavily armed soldiers in a fortified watchtower." In fact, did she do this in any place over in Britain? Odd, then, that she's doing it in a place she claimed was "as British as Finchley". There's something missing, like reality. Thatcher was always good at playing the Orange Card (up until that bit of treachery in 1985, of course).

She was on about Northern Ireland, a country in the United Kingdom. That is FACT. So she is right in that sense.

maxxie

KeithAFC wrote: »

She was on about Northern Ireland, a country in the United Kingdom. That is FACT. So she is right in that sense.

you are missing the point!