One Down - Three Up

argosy2006

What i,m doing is backing 3 horses in every race that meets below rules, backing them just before they run, i eliminate the favourite ,then back next 3 in market,

1: No races with horse under evens
2: 1m 6f to 3m plus distances
3: Betfair prices
4: Back 3 horses in everyrace
5: Never back favourite
6: Back next three horse in market after favourite
7: Back just before start of race
8: No irish racing uk only
9: No fields over 15
10: In races where there is two same prices in the three up,, ie a 7.40, a 8.20 the a 9.00 and another 9.00, two 9.00's!! then i will back the 4, never more, if there is more No bet,

Game on, target 100 pts per week

So what are tips, I dunno, market will tell me just before off
first race 1.10 tomorrow,

THESE RULES ARE FOR EVERY SINGLE RACE DURING DAY THAT MEETS THESE RULES

x PyRo

Dude, you've too many logs as it is.

I'll have to move it all into one as the logs section is too busy for multiple logs on the same sport.

argosy2006

x PyRo wrote: »

Dude, you've too many logs as it is.

I'll have to move it all into one as the logs section is too busy for multiple logs on the same sport.

please dont, as i dont use other logs,

argosy2006

This thread is already confusing,

argosy2006

Bangor on dee 1.10 RESULT + 0.81
Bangor on dee 1.40 RESULT + 0.55
Bangor on dee 2.10 RESULT -3.00
Bangor on dee 2.40 RESULT 0.00
Bangor on dee 3.10 NO BET
Bangor on dee 3.40 RESULT +4.56
Bangor on dee 4.10 RESULT +0.40

Huntington----1.20 NO BET
Huntington----1.50 RESULT -3.00
Huntington----2.20 RESULT +3.03
Huntingotn----2.50 NO BET
Huntington----3.20 NO ETT
Huntington----3.50 NO BET

Kempton

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6.20 RESULT +4.40

PROFIT + 13.75
LOSS, -6.00

RESULT DAY ONE PLUS 7.75 PTS

x PyRo

Thread title changed at Argosy's request.

argosy2006

Ludlow 1.00 RESULT -3.00
Ludlow 1.30 RESULT -3.00
Ludlow 2.00 RESULT -3.00
Ludlow 2.30 RESULT no bet
Ludlow 3.00 RESULT +7.50
Ludlow 3.30 RESULT no bet
Ludlow 4.00 RESULT -3.00

Tauton 1.10 RESULT -3.00
Tauton 1.40 RESULT -3.00
Tauton 2.10 RESULT no bet
Tauton 2.40 RESULT -3.00
Tauton 3.10 RESULT -3.00
Tauton 3.40 RESULT +5.00
Tauton 4.10 RESULT 0.00

Day for favourites. if all we had to do was back favourites we'd all be rich,

RESULT DAY 2
MINUS -24
PLUS,,+ 12.50
LOSS -11.50

OVERALL RESULTS
MINUS -30.00
PLUS + 26.35
LOSS OF -3.65
STAKED 54

Was hoping for a good start,

argosy2006

Newcastle 1.40 RESULT +3.90
Newcastle 2.15 RESULT - 3.00
Newcastle 2.50 RESULT +3.69
Newcastle 3.25 RESULT +5.67
Newcastle 3.55 RESULT -3.00

Cheltenham 1.15 RESULT - 3.00
Cheltenham 2.25 RESULT -3.00
Cheltenham 3.00 RESULT +3.20
Cheltenhan 4.05 RESULT +1.48

MINUS -12
PLUS 7.61
PROFIT 5.61

argosy2006

Chel 12.50 RESULT +2.20
Chel 1.20 RESULT -3.00
Chel 3.10 RESULT -3.00

Uttoxter 12.40 RESULT -3.00

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1.10 RESULT -3.00

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1.40 RESULT +1.72

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2.45 RESULT +1.62

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3.20 RESULT -3.00

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3.50 RESULT +4.80

Weterby 12.45 RESULT -3.00

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1.15 RESULT -3.00

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1.45 RESULT +2.10

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2.20 RESULT +2.43

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2.55 RESULT +5.87

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3.25 RESULT +4.00

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3.55 RESULT -3.00

MINUS 24
PLUS 24.74
STAKED 48

PROFIT 0.74

argosy2006

Cheltenham 1.10 RESULT -3.00

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1.45 RESULT +15.04

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3.30 RESULT +3.51

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4.00 RESULT -3.00

Fontwell--12.20 RESULT +4.47

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12.50 RESULT -3.00

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2.00 RESULT -3.00

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2.35 RESULT +2.40

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3.10 RESULT -3.00

Market Rasen 12.30 RESULT -3.00

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1.00 RESULT +1.34

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1.35 RESULT +0.85

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2.10 RESULT +3.40

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2.45 RESULT +0.50

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3.30 RESULT -3.00

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3.50 RESULT +8.50

MINUS 21 PTS
PLUS 40.01 PTS
STAKED 48 PTS

PROFIT 19.01 PTS

Thats more like it

argosy2006

argosy2006 wrote: »

Newcastle 1.40 RESULT +3.90
Newcastle 2.15 RESULT - 3.00
Newcastle 2.50 RESULT +3.69
Newcastle 3.25 RESULT +5.67
Newcastle 3.55 RESULT -3.00

Cheltenham 1.15 RESULT - 3.00
Cheltenham 2.25 RESULT -3.00
Cheltenham 3.00 RESULT +3.20
Cheltenhan 4.05 RESULT +1.48

MINUS -12
PLUS 17.94
PROFIT 5.94

added that wrong PLUS 17.94 ,PROFIT, 5.94, MINUS -12

argosy2006

OVERALL RESULTS
MINUS -87
PLUS + 109.04
PROFIT 22.04 PTS
STAKED 177
13% RETURN ON INVESTMENT,NEED TO PICK IT UP A LITTLE

argosy2006

Leicester 12.50 RESULT +2.11

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1.20 RESULT +5.45

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1.50 RESULT +3.20

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2.50 RESULT -3.00

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3.20 RESULT +1.60

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3.50 RESULT +4.40

Plumton 2.00 RESULT +2.15

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2.30 RESULT +2.10

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3.30 RESULT +6.80

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4.00 RESULT +3.54

Wolves 3.40 RESULT +7.77

MINUS -3.00
PLUS 39.12
STAKED 33 PTS
PROFIT 36.12 PTS

argosy2006

OVERALL RESULTS
MINUS -90
PLUS + 145.16
PROFIT +55.16
STAKED 210
26% RETURN ON INVESTMENT, I WANT 50%!!

argosy2006

RESULTS FOR TUESDAY AND WEDNEDAY,,SHOCKING

FAKENHAM 1.00 -3.00

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1.30 -3.00

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2.00 -3.00

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2.30 -0.17

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3.00 -3.00

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3.30 -3.00

FOLKESTONE 12.40 +0.90

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1.40 -3.00

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2.10 +2.80

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2.40 -3.00

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3.10 +0.20

HEXHAM 1.10 -3.00

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2.10 -3.00

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2.40 +1.92

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3.10 -3.00

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3.30 +0.27

WARICK 1.00 -3.00

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1.30 -3.00

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2.30 -3.00

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3.30 -3.00

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4.00 +4.20

MINUS -42.17 PTS
PLUS +10.29
STAKED 63

LOSS OF 31.88 PTS.

mookie2007

Ya given up on it Argosy or just taking a break.

Really good idea. Have been following your rules on a few random races & hit rate is good.

When it goes wrong though its very painful.

argosy2006

mookie2007 wrote: »

Ya given up on it Argosy or just taking a break.

Really good idea. Have been following your rules on a few random races & hit rate is good.

When it goes wrong though its very painful.

i'm trying to alter it, maybe apply it to a couple of races a days, ie invest 6 pts a day,
but i'm trying to gather info on best races to apply it to.
races where favourite is not under 4-1 is looking like a rule change i,m thinking if a horse goes off at 4-1 he cant be that much of a favourite and next 3 in market will have a better chance to beat it rather than trying to beat a even money favourite.

argosy2006

i looked at 4 races today,,backed 3 horses in all these races
1.15
2.45
2.35
3.05

had winners with
1.15, no winner - 3
2.45.algle d'or 13-2
2.35 wallis 9-2
3.05.arteus 8-1

argosy2006

I'll use these races only today,
12.55 ,backing 3 up from favourite

argosy2006

also these,regardless of distance, backing next three in market after favourite, just before the off

2.00 newbury
3.40 newbury
2.10 kempton
3.15 kempton
5.20 kempton

mookie2007

So are you using that 4/1 rule change for the favourite or narrowed it down to certain tracks or type of races

argosy2006

mookie2007 wrote: »

So are you using that 4/1 rule change for the favourite or narrowed it down to certain tracks or type of races

i,m not sure if any system will ever make money,, but what i,m finding is its best not to back every race during day that obeyed my rules in my first post on this thread,to many pts layed out,so im trying to find a way to lay out very few pts for maximun return
yea rule change , i,m looking for races that have a favourite that is 7-2 ,4-1 up wards and pick out these few races at around 12 pm,
there will be very few races like this, and my thinking is it cant be much of a favourite at a 4-1 price so it can be beat,and usaully these races have 4 or 5 decent horses in market behind it and then huge prices make up rest of field,

those few races i picked out today won 16pts from laying out only 18 pts. that 90% return on my staked pts

as for certain track or racing i,m not sure i'll gather info on it over time,

also looking at maybe skipping first two in market,,then back three up, ,,,

argosy2006

I'll use these races only today,
12.55 ,backing 3 up from favourite

argosy2006 wrote: »

also these,regardless of distance, backing next three in market after favourite, just before the off

2.00 newbury
3.40 newbury
2.10 kempton
3.15 kempton
5.20 kempton

i use betfair. as stated in first post. easier to find next three in market,

12.55 race minus 3.00
2.00 race plus 2.20
2.10 race plus 6.60
3.15 race plus 8.67
3.40 race plus 4.59
5.20 race minus 3.00

staked 18pts
won 22.06
lost 6pts
profit 16.06 pts
return on investment 90%

mookie2007

Got ya

It is hard to find races with a 7/2 & above favourite.

For example I think the 3:15 favourite in kempton was 5/2 when i checked.

Btw the 5:20 in kempton. I did this & won with Zebrano @ 8/1. You sure your right with your calculations on this. Or maybe i was lucky & the odds changed between you picking your 3 and me picking my three before the off.

I think it has a good hit rate. After that its really all about the odds. But as you say picking races where the favorite id 7/2 up pushes the odds up on your 2nd 3rd & 4th horse which in turn increases your winnings.

Cheers anyway ill be following your lead with great interest as i have to date

argosy2006

mookie2007 wrote: »

Got ya

It is hard to find races with a 7/2 & above favourite.

For example I think the 3:15 favourite in kempton was 5/2 when i checked.

Btw the 5:20 in kempton. I did this & won with Zebrano @ 8/1. You sure your right with your calculations on this. Or maybe i was lucky & the odds changed between you picking your 3 and me picking my three before the off.

I think it has a good hit rate. After that its really all about the odds. But as you say picking races where the favorite id 7/2 up pushes the odds up on your 2nd 3rd & 4th horse which in turn increases your winnings.

Cheers anyway ill be following your lead with great interest as i have to date

odds always change, i use betfair to pick my three and i use betfair to add my totals, in that 5.20 race as you mentioned it was a winner at sp ie in bookmakers, but on betfair it just missed out on been in the 3,,as it went off at 12.00 on betfair,,thats why i was thinking that on betfair i should elminated first two in market,as prices on betfair are so dam close at times, ie a 5.50 and a 5.60, it doesnt really matter,not an exact science,thing with betfair also is that you can win back those two points u lost,,as the 8-1 zebrano was 12.00 on betfair, so you won 6pts on zebrano,but on betfair you would have won 8 pts the actual sp ,
so maybe think to do is use sp prices to pick the three and back em on betfair even if there not the 3 on betfair,,
its all crazy:pac:,
hope your not backing large amounts based on this system ,hate to se you losing money,still trying to perfect it.if its possible, people who know way more about betting and racing tell me all systems fail
but hope you win loads

4.20 kempton
5.20 kempton
only two races today i'd be happy with trying out,

argosy2006

I'm going with these,
One down three up, just before the off BF,

4.20 kempton
5.20 kempton

5.50 might be another, depends on how other two races go,if i can make a profit out of first two i'll leave 5.50 alone,

mookie2007

Yeah unfortunately i don't have a befair account just 365 & powers.

Might open one as it is a pain even trying to pick out 2,3 & 4 in terms of odds on 365 & powers.

Btw went for the 5:50 as well - won with nacho libre as the 4:20 in Kempton lost.

And no I'm not betting big amounts. Just small amounts to test it out.

Going well so far anyway.:)

argosy2006

4.20 KEMPTON -3.00
5.20 KEMPTON -3.00
5.50 KEMPTON +9.92

STAKED 9
LOST 8
WON 9.92
PROFIT + 1.92 PT

argosy2006

2.35 called off
3.10 called off
4.20 - 3.00
4.50 +6.61

next three in market on betfair, just before the off,

staked 6
lost 5pts
won 6.61
profit 0.61

argosy2006

12.45 -3.00
2.00 +9.80
3.10 -3.00 ,,winner in bookies though,

backing next three in market bf, just before off

STAKED 9
LOST 8.00
WON 9.80

PROFIT 0.80

argosy2006

OVER ALL RESULTS SINCE SAT 27TH NOV


staked 42pts
won 45.39
lost 27.00
profit 18.39

argosy2006

I AM CHANGING WAY I DO THIS,
I NEED TO INVEST FEW PTS AS POSSIBLE,, AND WILL BE PICKING MY RACES,, IE NOT BACKING EVERY RACE EVERY DAY THAT MEETS RULES IN MY FIRST POST.

I,M CHANGING IT UP A LITTLE, I,M MISSING WINNERS DUE TO BETFAIR HAVING BASICALLY TWO IDENTICAL FAVOURITES 5.63 ,5.67 IN 3.10 YESTERDAY.
FROM NOW ON I WILL ELEMINATE BOTH OF THESE FAVOURITES
IE IF A FAVOURITE IS 5.50 AND ANOTHER IS 5.60 BOTH WILL BE ELEIMATED AND I WILL BACK NEXT THREE IN MARKET,
NEW RULE
I WILL ELIMINATE ANY THING THAT IS LESS THAN A FULL 1.00 BIGGER PRICE THAN THE FAVOURITE. IE A 4.90 AND A 5.76 ,,,BOTH WILL BE LEFT OUT AND I WILL BE BACKING NEXT THREE IN MARKET BF !

argosy2006

2.00 pm race +5.67

5.00 pm race -3

backing three up from favourites

mookie2007

Good stuff. Good start with custard cream.;)

argosy2006

argosy2006 wrote: »

2.00 pm race +5.67

5.00 pm race -3

backing three up from favourites

STAKED 6
LOST 3PTS
WON 5.67

PROFIT 2.67

PROFIT IS PROIFT ,ONLY WAY IS UP.

argosy2006

5.00 WOLVES
5.05 MEYDAN

Backing next three in market on bf just before off,

argosy2006

argosy2006 wrote: »

5.00 WOLVES
5.05 MEYDAN

Backing next three in market on bf just before off,

5.00 WOLVES - 3PT
5.05 MEYDAN WINNNER AT 9 BF

STAKED 6
LOST 5
WON 9
PROFIT 3PTS

I WONDER CAN I MAKE IT 7 DAYS STRAIGHT PROFIT

argosy2006

OVER ALL RESULTS SINCE SAT 27TH NOV


staked 54pts
won 59.06
lost 35 pts
profit 24.06

45% return on investment

argosy2006

I like these races, even though favourites are bit short in price, think they will be pushed hard.

4.45 wolves
8.15 wolves

mookie2007

Here's hopin;)

Lucky 7's

argosy2006

argosy2006 wrote: »

I like these races, even though favourites are bit short in price, think they will be pushed hard.

4.45 wolves
8.15 wolves

that second one is supose to be
18.15 WOLVES ie 6.15

there is no 8.15 race

argosy2006

argosy2006 wrote: »

I like these races, even though favourites are bit short in price, think they will be pushed hard.

4.45 wolves
8.15 wolves

4.45 wolves +5.40
18.15 wolves +7.80

2 for 2


TAKE THAT BOOKIES!!

STAKED 6
LOST 4
WON 13.20
PROFIT 7.20

argosy2006

OVER ALL RESULTS SINCE SAT 27TH NOV


staked 60pts
won 72.26
lost 39 pts
profit 31.26

53% return on investment

argosy2006

2.05 DUNDALK -3.00

2.40 KEMPTON +2.26

3.40 KEMPTON -3.00

7.50 WOLVES , -3.00

12PTS STAKED

Backing next three in market on betfair just before the off, also eliminating anything that is within 1.00 of the favourite if thats how pricing is at the off.


STAKED 12
LOST 11
WON 5.26 BF
LOSS OF 6.74

argosy2006

1.00 LINGFIELD

2.50 EXETER

3.05 DUNDALK NOT BACKING THIS

4.05 DUNDALK NOT BACKING THIS

argosy2006

1.00 race , winner ,suhaillah , 2nd in market wins at 9.40 bf. good start,
thats a 6.40 clear profit on that race,

if next race is good result i might scratch my last two races i have picked out to protect profit,and invest less pts,

argosy2006

argosy2006 wrote: »

1.00 LINGFIELD

2.50 EXETER

3.05 DUNDALK

4.05 DUNDALK

1.50 PROFIT OF 6.40
2.50 PROFIT OF 4.20

THATS 10.60. PTS PROFIT,
1060.00 EURO AT 100 PER PT.
NOT BAD FOR A SUNDAY,

GOING TO FORGET MY NEXT TWO RACES,

argosy2006

NOW TO WATCH MY NEXT TWO RACES WIN FOR ME

doesnt matter i'm happy with my haul today,

argosy2006

a good call 3.05 dundalk favourite wins
boo yaw,
glad i scratched it from betting,

argosy2006

argosy2006

argosy2006 wrote: »

1.00 LINGFIELD

2.50 EXETER

3.05 DUNDALK NOT BACKING THIS

4.05 DUNDALK NOT BACKING THIS

1.00 lingfield WINNER 9.40 BF

2.50 exeter WINNER 7.20 BF

OTHER TWO RACES I BACKED OUT OF,PROOFED IN THREAD, I WAS HAPPY WITH TWO WINNERS,
OTHER TWO RACES FAILED SO HAPPY DAYS


STAKED 6 PTS
LOST 4 PTS
WON 14.60 PTS

PROFIT OF 10.60 PTS