equipment ?

lazyface

hi i am looking for information on the best places and sites in ireland where i could buy some decks and other dj equpiment at reasonable prices - also what kind off equpiment would you advise for person starting out , what decks to get and all the crack -- strictly vinyl tho i hate cdj's !!!!!!!! :P

eeloe

www.aquariussound.ie

jtsuited

eeloe wrote: »

www.aquariussound.ie

don't do turntables.

Elevator

**** cdjs and forget about your romantic notion of buying vinyl turntables in late 2010,

I can't remember the last time I seen a record for sale and for the record vinyl will probably never make a comeback again due to it's weight.

I recomend a dj program (virtual dj is great to start off) on a laptop with a 2 deck controler type thingy (cheap as chips!!) and happy mixing

if someone says your less of a dj with no vinyl or with using one of the controllors then **** them cos pulling off some sweet mixng is allthe same what you be using

http://www.google.ie/search?q=USB+dj&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

jtsuited

Elevator wrote: »

**** cdjs and forget about your romantic notion of buying vinyl turntables in late 2010,

I can't remember the last time I seen a record for sale and for the record vinyl will probably never make a comeback again due to it's weight.

I recomend a dj program (virtual dj is great to start off) on a laptop with a 2 deck controler type thingy (cheap as chips!!) and happy mixing

if someone says your less of a dj with no vinyl or with using one of the controllors then **** them cos pulling off some sweet mixng is allthe same what you be using

http://www.google.ie/search?q=USB+dj&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

post of the year.

P_Hocto

jtsuited wrote: »

post of the year.

Especially the "I can't remember the last time I seen a record for sale" part

joker77

Elevator wrote: »

cos pulling off some sweet mixng is allthe same what you be using

I completely agree

acman

Elevator wrote: »

**** cdjs and forget about your romantic notion of buying vinyl turntables in late 2010,

I can't remember the last time I seen a record for sale and for the record vinyl will probably never make a comeback again due to it's weight.

I recomend a dj program (virtual dj is great to start off) on a laptop with a 2 deck controler type thingy (cheap as chips!!) and happy mixing

if someone says your less of a dj with no vinyl or with using one of the controllors then **** them cos pulling off some sweet mixng is allthe same what you be using

http://www.google.ie/search?q=USB+dj&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

Watch, listen, learn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVgBmzBzZw8

BaZmO*

Seriously lads, what's all this obsession with Vinyl recently? Is it just a way to turn it back into an elitist hobby/profession?

To all the people that switched to digital years ago, do all the reasons for the switch still not stand? Availability, cost, transportation, storage, effects/loops, etc.

Coming as a person that never switched to digital, I can't help but feel that it's the latest bandwagon.

acman

BaZmO* wrote: »

Seriously lads, what's all this obsession with Vinyl recently? Is it just a way to turn it back into an elitist hobby/profession?

To all the people that switched to digital years ago, do all the reasons for the switch still not stand? Availability, cost, transportation, storage, effects/loops, etc.

Coming as a person that never switched to digital, I can't help but feel that it's the latest bandwagon.

Well, I'm one of those who switched to digital for the reasons you stated above, except for the effects / loops thing which never appealed to me.

The reasons I'm moving back to vinyl are pretty much the same reasons why I shouldn't have switched to digital in the first place i.e. better quality control on releases, benefits and gratification of owning a tangible product and the unbeatable sound quality of vinyl.

BaZmO*

acman wrote: »

The reasons I'm moving back to vinyl are pretty much the same reasons why I shouldn't have switched to digital in the first place i.e. better quality control on releases, benefits and gratification of owning a tangible product and the unbeatable sound quality of vinyl.

And it's become cool again?

acman

BaZmO* wrote: »

And it's become cool again?

Not as cool as people who didn't jump on the digital bandwagon.

thenashlegend

I have to say, having been in the same place just under two years ago, if I was starting out again I'd go with a Mac and a good USB controller!!
I bought CDJ's from Aquarius, mentioned above! I have no problem with them, but sometimes I feel they were a waste of money!:rolleyes:
I paid 2,500 for my decks and mixer, where-as a Mac and controller could be got for around 1,500. Even a PC and controller for maybe 1000?

It's another argument and not for here, but I feel no one appreciates mixing!
So why not just go with the easier method even if its just a laptop!

jtsuited

BaZmO* wrote: »

Seriously lads, what's all this obsession with Vinyl recently? Is it just a way to turn it back into an elitist hobby/profession?

To all the people that switched to digital years ago, do all the reasons for the switch still not stand? Availability, cost, transportation, storage, effects/loops, etc.

Coming as a person that never switched to digital, I can't help but feel that it's the latest bandwagon.

Two reasons that primarily answer your main questions.

1. The novelty of digital audio has worn off. Most of us have owned ipods with thousands of tracks. We can get any music, any time, anywhere and we're used to it now. It's no longer new and exciting. A lot of people are realising that this convenience is great, but still want to emotionally and financially invest in our music collections, and there's no better way than stacks and stacks of vinyl.

2. As far as djing goes, the main selling points of the digital formats were 'the possibilities'. And a lot of us have come to the conclusion that Richie Hawtin/Chris Liebing/etc. looping 4 tracks and whackin on fx is hardly innovative or interesting anymore.
Just like 2 or 3 years previous, everyone realised Sasha mangling sh1t in ableton was just plain crap.
New stuff comes and goes in music, and I guess a large proportion of music lovers just got bored of this and like going back to basics - a dj playing records.

The rise of vinyl in all areas of music is partly due to it's 'cool' appeal or whatever but I think apart from the superficial and esoteric nonsense, people just love the sound, love the feel, love the social aspect of it, and the markets are catering for it.

Tom Dunne's newstalk show had a vinyl month I think in June just as a bit of an interesting theme, but the feedback (not in the literal sense haha) from the listenership was phenomenal, so they extended it.

There are a couple of forces at work here, not least major record labels seeing the rise of vinyl-as-the-consumer-medium as a way to create profit in the face of piracy, but fundamentally it comes down to the fact that people just love it.

jtsuited

acman wrote: »

Not as cool as people who didn't jump on the digital bandwagon.

yeah that's very true. I can't think of one big vinyl head (apart from Executive Steve of course!) who didn't have at least a brief fling with digital.

jtsuited

thenashlegend wrote: »

I have to say, having been in the same place just under two years ago, if I was starting out again I'd go with a Mac and a good USB controller!!
I bought CDJ's from Aquarius, mentioned above! I have no problem with them, but sometimes I feel they were a waste of money!:rolleyes:
I paid 2,500 for my decks and mixer, where-as a Mac and controller could be got for around 1,500. Even a PC and controller for maybe 1000?

It's another argument and not for here, but I feel no one appreciates mixing!
So why not just go with the easier method even if its just a laptop!

Jesus yeah, if you're going to go digital (btw, I hate the way people think digital means laptops only), a mac and a controller is a far far far better investment than cdj's.

Executive Steve

jtsuited wrote: »

yeah that's very true. I can't think of one big vinyl head (apart from Executive Steve of course!) who didn't have at least a brief fling with digital.

The biggest problem with boards.ie is the lack of a smiley that indicates actual real life lols.

jtsuited

Executive Steve wrote: »

The biggest problem with boards.ie is the lack of a smiley that indicates actual real life lols.

Sure aren't you the guy who has 'never so much as plugged in a cdj'? (or something to that effect).

LaughOrDie

www.djstore.com

Got my decks off these guys, think the price was alright and the service and delivery times are excellent.

Selik

jtsuited wrote: »

yeah that's very true. I can't think of one big vinyl head (apart from Executive Steve of course!) who didn't have at least a brief fling with digital.

Steve owns Torq! Don't think he uses it much though

Selik

Oh and by the by folks, just play and enjoy the music in whatever format / formats you want (always good to enjoy and play on as many as possible imo, more flexible too).

Simple as - and that's my 2cents on this thread. :pac:

seannash

I know people view cdjs as a waste of time but i honestly think they are th best of both world for people wh want to enjoy actually djing.

people like manipulating something.having everything sync'd up just isnt fun.I know people say sure beatmatching isnt rocket science but i do get a real kick out of it and the satisfaction of manually beatmatching and holding a mix is of huge appeal to me.

DVS systems require setup but most clubs have cdjs so it is a ready to go system.I know you have to burn cds and everyone hates it but every system has its flaws(rectified a bit with the usb compatibility)

It a medium for people who enjoy the hands on djing approach without the laptop and for me that has its benefits.

On a personal level Im not making anymore effort to get gigs in clubs because im practically starting afresh in ireland and i honestly couldnt be arsed so for me i will be going back to vinyl because of the vast amount of it i have.
Im no longer interested in trawling through inpersonal sites for a file.My disposable income is disappearing so i want to spend my money on an actual item.
I will decorate my home with the awesome sleeves and listen and play my records and in a way relive my youth:)

Paul1979

I think u hit the nail on the head here, well for me anyway, long live the vinyl!

jtsuited wrote: »

Two reasons that primarily answer your main questions.

1. The novelty of digital audio has worn off. Most of us have owned ipods with thousands of tracks. We can get any music, any time, anywhere and we're used to it now. It's no longer new and exciting. A lot of people are realising that this convenience is great, but still want to emotionally and financially invest in our music collections, and there's no better way than stacks and stacks of vinyl.

2. As far as djing goes, the main selling points of the digital formats were 'the possibilities'. And a lot of us have come to the conclusion that Richie Hawtin/Chris Liebing/etc. looping 4 tracks and whackin on fx is hardly innovative or interesting anymore.
Just like 2 or 3 years previous, everyone realised Sasha mangling sh1t in ableton was just plain crap.
New stuff comes and goes in music, and I guess a large proportion of music lovers just got bored of this and like going back to basics - a dj playing records.

The rise of vinyl in all areas of music is partly due to it's 'cool' appeal or whatever but I think apart from the superficial and esoteric nonsense, people just love the sound, love the feel, love the social aspect of it, and the markets are catering for it.

Tom Dunne's newstalk show had a vinyl month I think in June just as a bit of an interesting theme, but the feedback (not in the literal sense haha) from the listenership was phenomenal, so they extended it.

There are a couple of forces at work here, not least major record labels seeing the rise of vinyl-as-the-consumer-medium as a way to create profit in the face of piracy, but fundamentally it comes down to the fact that people just love it.

Elevator

right just so it be public n all I have a collection of about 400 classic vinyls in the studio covering the best of underground hard house, hard dance, acid techno, Psy trance and many classics covering many different other genres

I did at one time swear I'd never move from vinyl until I finally got swayed in a dj partnership I had going at one time and never looked back. I used to transport all my vinyl to most partys as there would inevitably be some I left at home I wanted to play if I didn't bring them all out. sh1t, when I played gigs and only had to bring 4 cds to perform my set it was totally surreal from a djs point of view!! I gave away the CDs after the gigs while I played on the "blessed" cdjs and some people in the crowd loved it so it was all good for a while.

then along came a mac mini and a seperate 19" widescreen monitor, throw in an apc40 and an mpk61 with a firewire interface and I had the setup I never even really considered I could ever have to be honest. I use ableton to mix the tunes these days and you can download a full working trial version on their website so that's cool.

you'll get a last years version of 2nd hand mac mini (€400ish) and new apc40 (€400) with a laptop (€350ish with at least 3/4gb ram) and semi decent
new sound card (€200)

all in €1350 and ya go fish your own copy of able ton

win

Elevator

oh and to add one more point to this thread the best way to overcome the mp3 frequency degradation is to support the sale of CDs, wavs or don't make music that will eventually be squashed to mp3 to pass round

the wonders of faster broadband speeds means we no longer have to rely on mp3's to move around on the net so I've taken to only producing high quality tracks abusing the full aural human frequency range

there's a great vid of ricardo villolobos talking about the mp3 situation. skips off for a link

edit. found it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqiQxT4pzbE

jtsuited

woah woah woah Elevator. Don't back the fcuk out of this without perhaps remembering your first post on the subject......

"**** cdjs and forget about your romantic notion of buying vinyl turntables in late 2010,

I can't remember the last time I seen a record for sale and for the record vinyl will probably never make a comeback again due to it's weight.

I recomend a dj program (virtual dj is great to start off) on a laptop with a 2 deck controler type thingy (cheap as chips!!) and happy mixing

if someone says your less of a dj with no vinyl or with using one of the controllors then **** them cos pulling off some sweet mixng is allthe same what you be using "

There's some monumental amounts of bullsh1t in that post and you're not gonna get away from it telling us about your collection of psytrance records or skipping off for a Villalobos soundbyte.

Executive Steve

jtsuited wrote: »

Sure aren't you the guy who has 'never so much as plugged in a cdj'? (or something to that effect).

I am! I bought Serato a year and a half ago when my money outstripped my sense, but I haven't actually plugged it in yet because I don't have a laptop and every time I try and save up for one I end up spending the money on records.

Also, as anyone who's seen me wobbling around outside the twisted pepper will know, the states i get myself into carrying a laptop around would be a very bad idea!

Also, I'm not one of nature's deck technicians, the idea of having to **** about with wires when all i want to do is slap a record, have a glug of whiskey and lash out some bangers fills me with dread and has me waking up with cold sweats...

Executive Steve

The elephant in the room is that unless you're lucky enough to always play in venues where the decks are well looked after and properly set up you can walk into some proper shady ghetto setups...

Couple of serato CD's and the CDJ's are a decent compromise...

jtsuited

Executive Steve wrote: »

Also, I'm not one of nature's deck technicians, the idea of having to **** about with wires when all i want to do is slap a record, have a glug of whiskey and lash out some bangers fills me with dread and has me waking up with cold sweats...

I'm sort of the opposite. I've spent my whole life with my head stuck up the arse of all manner of audio setups, from studios to venues, to dj booths. I'm one of nature's fiddlers.

And the one thing that still gives me the willies is settin up a laptop at a gig and foosterin around pluggin cables in and out.
A DVS systems I can't even fathom setting up in a noisy club with some dude playing his last track while you plug 4 phonos into a little box, 4 phonos out of said box, a usb cable going from that box to another box with a screen, and a power lead.
Jesus I have a fcukin headache just thinkin about it.

Elevator

jtsuited wrote: »

woah woah woah Elevator. Don't back the fcuk out of this without perhaps remembering your first post on the subject......

There's some monumental amounts of bullsh1t in that post and you're not gonna get away from it telling us about your collection of psytrance records or skipping off for a Villalobos soundbyte.

who's "backing out" mate? I stand by everything I said on here but in the end it doesn't matter what you're playing on up on stage as long as the sound quality is ok! I was only bringing my own vinyl collection into play to let the op know I was a vinyl dj (no bull**** there) and then I moved to mp3 for 2/3 years. (no bull there either) some of the vinyl setups I'm sure we all played on down through the years were dodgy enough at times (left/right or both decks suffering from a wobble in the pitch every few seconds with the record needing an adjustment with the old finger every few seconds and even I can humbly admit it I don't regret playing on decent decks or dodgy decks and that a certain amount of the enjoyment is gone out of he whole mixing lark through using ableton but it's not like I couldn't mix b4 it and I prefer to warp my tracks now instead of worrying about dodgy pitch or needles.

regarding my record collection, I have owned 2 pairs of technics since starting to mix back in 1997 but now I only use ableton and keep my collection at home instead of selling them on like so many ex vinyl heads I know. I put in the graft as far as carrying vinyls around for long enough!

also the op was looking at a decent setup (probably for the right price too) and in fairness buying turntables these days are cheaper than a few years back the vinyl (if you can get your style on vinyl these days!!) will still be overpriced compared to a wav from the net! (no bull**** there)

also the Ricardo "soundbyte" you speak of is to further a previous posters vid on sound quality for producing.

typical boards to be honest, from post of the year to someone insisting on geting annoyed at a board member with wild remarks

also the op

jtsuited

Elevator wrote: »

typical boards to be honest, from post of the year to someone insisting on geting annoyed at a board member with wild remarks

haha you thought my 'post of the year comment' was sincere. Now that's typical boards tbh.

Elevator

jtsuited wrote: »

haha you thought my 'post of the year comment' was sincere. Now that's typical boards tbh.

to be honest I had only glanced over it and didn't know it was you who posted it, this is fookin stupid anyway, thought I left the silly squabbles over vinyl, CDs, mp3's orwhateverthe****formatyausing arguments behind me so with that I will leave ye all to play whatever floats your boat on technics, vestax, virtual dj, serato, ableton, cdjs or whatever but whatever ya do play them well and don't play anything less than 320mp3 or if you can do it only play wavs.

jtsuited

see it's all well and good saying that, but there ARE valid reasons for using vinyl, that are often left out of the debate on internet forums.

Friggin blog plug!

BaZmO*

Android 666

**** Laptops, CDJs and vinyl. All romantic mills and boon bollocks for people with straight teeth and hair. Play the spoons like I do and you're away in a flash. Throw in a bit of Mongolian throat singing and you've got an experimental techno set going. None of this beatmatching sh¡te.

Elevator

vinyl is savage but at what cost? I have quite a few records that can't be played anymore due to getting worn out, scratched, warped etc.

not so cool but then again losing 5k+ tracks on an external HD wouldn't be so hot either

gotta have more spoons!!!

Is mise le key

Music sounds better off records than a digital file, much like an oil painting looks better than an ink jet printed version of said painting.

I have a massive amount of digital files on my PC's but they really only served for research purposes trying to identify tunes long since heard, the name of which over time have become elusive. Once i know a track i like from whatever year after hearing it on download i am compelled then to attain the physical object to add to the rest of my collection.

Anyone who has a Vinyl collection must understand & know the satisfaction of having your collection viewable every day in your house rather than a PC in the corner that inspires nothing aesthetically relating to your valued music collection.

I cannot see the value in spending money on .Wav files based on the above & will never part with my Vinyl.

Android 666

Is mise le key wrote: »

Music sounds better off records than a digital file, much like an oil painting looks better than an ink jet printed version of said painting.

I have a massive amount of digital files on my PC's but they really only served for research purposes trying to identify tunes long since heard, the name of which over time have become elusive. Once i know a track i like from whatever year after hearing it on download i am compelled then to attain the physical object to add to the rest of my collection.

Anyone who has a Vinyl collection must understand & know the satisfaction of having your collection viewable every day in your house rather than a PC in the corner that inspires nothing aesthetically relating to your valued music collection.

I cannot see the value in spending money on .Wav files based on the above & will never part with my Vinyl.

**** Vinyl. Anytime I have a party I kick it old school and I break out the Sheet Music. All you need is some papers and an upright piano and you're ready to go! Mind you it's hard enough to find music notes for all the old rave classics…

Elevator

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brianc27

jtsuited wrote: »

don't do turntables.

do they still service and repair 1210's does anyone know??

jtsuited

brianc27 wrote: »

do they still service and repair 1210's does anyone know??

they do indeed. I popped into them when I got a second hand pair and they put all new fancy leads and grounding wire in it in about half an hour (granted I'm a bit of a regular customer but still great service).

brianc27

jtsuited wrote: »

they do indeed. I popped into them when I got a second hand pair and they put all new fancy leads and grounding wire in it in about half an hour (granted I'm a bit of a regular customer but still great service).

super, thats exactly what im looking for, new leads and ground wires and probably go for new pitch faders, nice one, will drop down saturday

Cormacp6

To be honest all this vinyl vs digital is bull**** . Some like vinyl some dont. The important thing is the music. If your doing a gig the people on the dancefloor don't care what your using! They want to have a good time. And if your using them at home no1s there to see you so it dosn't matter. It's all about having a good time! You should respect Dj's no matter what equipment they use as long as their good. Some people cant afford to buy turntables and records so they use pc programmes or cdj's. Whatever you want to use, use it.

Android 666

Cormacp6 wrote: »

To be honest all this vinyl vs digital is bull**** . Some like vinyl some dont. The important thing is the music. If your doing a gig the people on the dancefloor don't care what your using! They want to have a good time. And if your using them at home no1s there to see you so it dosn't matter. It's all about having a good time! You should respect Dj's no matter what equipment they use as long as their good. Some people cant afford to buy turntables and records so they use pc programmes or cdj's. Whatever you want to use, use it.

About the music? Puh-lease, it's about looking good. Vinyl makes you look smarter and the record bag helps to hide your belly if your feeling a bit bloated.

was.deevey

I have vinyl on the bathroom floor .. great stuff never wears out :P

much like an oil painting looks better than an ink jet printed version of said painting

And thats why they are up on the walls these days *gaze*

electrogrimey

Not bothered quoting, so I'll make a few random points, in response to different posts.

1) Legally downloaded mp3s are better quality than CD, so whoever said supporting the purchase of CDs to counter mp3 quality degradation is wrong.

2) Setting up a serato box is easy, I don't have one, but a lot of DJs I know use them, they keep all the cables already plugged into it, and when you get into the booth all you have to do is plug the cables out of the CDJs, and into the box. That's it. Then obviously a USB, but that's hardly to hard.

3) I think it's funny that most EDM is made digitally, a lot of tracks made with no analog gear, and people give out about digital DJs.

4) Digital should be the best and most respected format, but it's not, because the majority of digital DJs are lads that couldn't afford decks, so got a crack of Traktor, and go looking for gigs without being able to beatmatch at all. That's what gives digital DJing a bad name.

5) You can equally ruin a mix on vinyl as on digital, bad scratching or overzealous gunshot/airhorn samples are just as bad as Hawtinesque bitcrushers.

6) It seems to me, these days, that serato vinyl DJs are getting about equally as common as CD DJs, followed by fully digital DJs, followed by fully vinyl DJs.

7) The ideal set-up could be serato/traktor scratch, but still buying vinyl, so you can take 5/10 vinyls to a gig and play your favourite tracks on the original vinyl, but not have to worry about a huge record case or not being able to afford music.

jtsuited

electrogrimey wrote: »

Not bothered quoting, so I'll make a few random points, in response to different posts.

1) Legally downloaded mp3s are better quality than CD, so whoever said supporting the purchase of CDs to counter mp3 quality degradation is wrong.

Nope 16bit 44.1khz audio is superior to 320kbps mp3 (which is the highest bitrate mp3 available).

electrogrimey wrote: »

3) I think it's funny that most EDM is made digitally, a lot of tracks made with no analog gear, and people give out about digital DJs.

Which is why it does far more to the sound quality in terms of 2nd and 3rd harmonics to stick a totally digital-in-its-inception sound onto something analogue.

electrogrimey wrote: »

4) Digital should be the best and most respected format, but it's not, because the majority of digital DJs are lads that couldn't afford decks, so got a crack of Traktor, and go looking for gigs without being able to beatmatch at all. That's what gives digital DJing a bad name.

Yeah, that and Hawtin. Also the unprotectable nature of digital media means a lot of people are just not willing to go there in order to protect their art.

electrogrimey wrote: »

5) You can equally ruin a mix on vinyl as on digital, bad scratching or overzealous gunshot/airhorn samples are just as bad as Hawtinesque bitcrushers.

Yes but with digital you have all that potential for sh1te at your fingertips instantly accessible

electrogrimey wrote: »

6) It seems to me, these days, that serato vinyl DJs are getting about equally as common as CD DJs, followed by fully digital DJs, followed by fully vinyl DJs.

Completely dependent on genre, status of dj, how long they've been around. If you go to Berghain, you'll see more vinyl only dj's than anything else. If you go to Space in Ibiza on certain nights, you won't see a record bag.

electrogrimey wrote: »

Not bothered quoting, so I'll make a few random points, in response to different posts.

1) Legally downloaded mp3s are better quality than CD, so whoever said supporting the purchase of CDs to counter mp3 quality degradation is wrong.

Nope 16bit 44.1khz audio is superior to 320kbps mp3 (which is the highest bitrate mp3 available).

2) Setting up a serato box is easy, I don't have one, but a lot of DJs I know use them, they keep all the cables already plugged into it, and when you get into the booth all you have to do is plug the cables out of the CDJs, and into the box. That's it. Then obviously a USB, but that's hardly to hard.

electrogrimey wrote: »

3) I think it's funny that most EDM is made digitally, a lot of tracks made with no analog gear, and people give out about digital DJs.

Which is why it does far more to the sound quality in terms of 2nd and 3rd harmonics to stick a totally digital-in-its-inception sound onto something analogue.

electrogrimey wrote: »

4) Digital should be the best and most respected format, but it's not, because the majority of digital DJs are lads that couldn't afford decks, so got a crack of Traktor, and go looking for gigs without being able to beatmatch at all. That's what gives digital DJing a bad name.

Yeah, that and Hawtin and the fact that most of the big DJs who adopted digital are sh1te anywho. Dubfire, Hawtin, Josh Wink, etc. All sh1theads not because they don't play vinyl just because well....they're just d1ckheads. Also the unprotectable nature of digital media means a lot of people are just not willing to go there in order to protect their art.

electrogrimey wrote: »

5) You can equally ruin a mix on vinyl as on digital, bad scratching or overzealous gunshot/airhorn samples are just as bad as Hawtinesque bitcrushers.

Yes but with digital you have all that potential for sh1te at your fingertips instantly accessible

electrogrimey wrote: »

7) The ideal set-up could be serato/traktor scratch, but still buying vinyl, so you can take 5/10 vinyls to a gig and play your favourite tracks on the original vinyl, but not have to worry about a huge record case or not being able to afford music.

If you're not able to afford the music, you're not able to afford the music. Music retail is not a charity or a human right.
I dunno, I have absolutely despised setting up my laptop in clubs. It's so much bloody stress. Then again, if people don't mind doing it, then it's not an issue.

Cormacp6

If you really want to buy turntablesyou should imvest in a dvs software such as serato or traktor or on the lower end off the scale intimidation touc. Traktor have a half price sale on all their products up untill the 31st of december:D

jtsuited

Or you could make a great start on your record collection by saving the money you'd spend on a dvs system and buy a good stack of records.

Cormacp6

jtsuited wrote: »

Or you could make a great start on your record collection by saving the money you'd spend on a dvs system and buy a good stack of records.

You could do that to but if you want a big music collection you would be better of with traktor or something. Its not the same as having records though!

electrogrimey

That post got messed up strangely Jeff, so I won't bother quoting it.

About the CDs, I was under the impression that most CDs are only at 256 or so, no? I know you can import them as lossless etc, but they're not 320/above are they?

As for what DJs are using, I'm just talking about Dublin, which is the only experience I have. Aside from the d 'n' b/dubstep/reggae scene, which is obviously mostly vinyl, in my experience of most other genres, house/hip-hop/techno/pop/electro/etc etc, Serato vinyl seems to be catching up with CDs. Even the likes of Mixmaster Mike etc are using it. A lot of the old vinyl heads are moving to it, as are they guys who always used CDs.

With the mix of vinyl/Serato thing, I mean that if you can't afford to buy only vinyl, but like buying vinyl, you can buy the mp3s, and whenever you can afford vinyl you can pick it up and still be able to use it in clubs.