Ireland v Samoa, Saturday November 13th, KO 14:30

some_dose

Well what do we think? Personally I fear that the management will have learned nothing from our pasting yesterday and we shall see a very similar team put out against the Samoans with the usual subbing occurring around the 60 - 70min mark. I'd love to see Cronin starting as any thing is better than the performance of Best yesterday. Also Wally out and SO'B in and for Christ sake, GET MO'D OUT OF THERE. Bring back Cullen.

I think we are going to get bullied around the pitch physically but hopefully (and providing we can get ball to them) our backs can win it for us.

Ireland by 5

some_dose

Also Mushy and Kearney are doubtful for the match which may be no bad thing (especially in relation to Kearney). Varley has also been named in the squad

http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2010/1107/buckleyt_kearneyr_ireland.html

Cosmo Kramer

I'm going to be optimistic and say that despite his terrible interview after the game yesterday Kidney will have seen where the changes need to be made and will make them.

I am taking this view on the assumption that the man is not blind.

So, changes at 2, 3, 5, 7 and 9 followed by a much improved Irish performance and a 20 point plus win.

B0X

Team i'd like to see:

Court
Cronin
Ross

DOC
Cullen

Ferris
O'Brien
Heaslip

Stringer
Sexton

Earls
Wallace
BOD
Bowe
Fitz

Or (considering it's Samoa and we should try things out like Earls or Bowe at 13)

Fitz
Wallace
Earls/Bowe
Earls/Bowe
Duffy (Where's G.Murphy? I'd prefere Murphy)

thomond2006

I'll just repost my team for discussion purposes:

Court
Cronin
Ross
DOC
Cullen
Leamy
SOB
Heaslip
Stringer
Sexton
Fitzgerald
Wallace
Earls
Bowe
G Murphy

Bench:
Varley
Buckley*/Healy
Toner
Muldoon
Boss
ROG
J Murphy

Brenireland

Lads hows things,just wondering if theirs anyone in the westmeath area interested in 4 tickets to Irelands open training session in the aviva tomorrow @ 4?,I cant attend so their free to whoever wants em!

some_dose

thomond2006 wrote: »

I'll just repost my team for discussion purposes:

Court
Cronin
Ross
DOC
Cullen
Leamy
SOB
Heaslip
Stringer
Sexton
Fitzgerald
Wallace
Earls
Bowe
Murphy

Bench:
Varley
Buckley*/Healy
Toner
Muldoon
Boss
ROG
Murphy

+1
I'd love to see Strings and Sexton paired up with ROG coming on after 40 or 50. And I deffo have to agree with Murphy at 15

B0X

Does anyone else fear that Kidney might start Hayes instead of Ross?

danthefan

Something like:

Court
Cronin
Ross
DOC
Toner
Leamy
SOB
Heaslip
Stringer
Sexton/ROG
Trimble
Wallace
Earls
Bowe
Murphy

with every single player told they have a chance of making the NZ team.

On Sexton and ROG, ROG played well yesterday and deserves a shot but Sexton should get a go outside Stringer also, I won't complain whichever of them starts.

thomond2006

B0X wrote: »

Does anyone else fear that Kidney might start Hayes instead of Ross?

That could never ever happen.

danthefan

If he starts Hayes I'm withdrawing my support if the Irish national team until we get a new coach.

Teferi

danthefan wrote: »

If he starts Hayes I'm withdrawing my support if the Irish national team until we get a new coach.

I'm sure they will be devestated

danthefan

Teferi wrote: »

I'm sure they will be devestated

They need every fan they can get.

irishbucsfan

Court
Cronin
Ross

DOC
Cullen

Ferris (while he's fit)
SOB (we know how good Wallace is)
Heaslip

Stringer
O'Gara

Earls
Wallace
BOD
Bowe
Fitzgerald

Best
Healy (Court offers TH cover)
Toner
Leamy
Reddan
Sexton
Trimble


Let's give people a shot against Samoa

Cleahaigh

I'd give Duffy a run at FB. He's been in good form since January.

[Jackass]

Rumour from camp is that Kidney will be going with:

1. Horan
2. Varley
3. Hayes
4. O'Callaghan
5. O'Driscoll
6. Quinlan
7. Wallace
8. Leamy

9. Stringer
10. O'Gara
11. Dowling
12. Earls
13. Tipoki
14. Hurley
15. Johne Murphy

Personaly I'd like to see:

1. Court
2. Cronin
3. Ross
4. Cullen
5. O'Callaghan
6. Leamy
7. Jennings
8. O'Brien

9. Stringer
10. Sexton
11. Fitzgerald
12. D'Arcy
13. Bowe
14. Earls
15. G. Murphy

Orizio

[Jackass] wrote: »

Rumour from camp is that Kidney will be going with:

13. Tipoki

It's almost as if you are trying to tell us something...

Trojan

If he starts Varley, that's some kick in the teeth for Cronin. What kind of rationale is there for that?

Username37

1.Court
2.Cronin
3.Ross
4.Toner
5.Cullen
6.Leamy
7.O'Brien
8.Heaslip
9.Stringer
10.Sexton
11.Earls
12.Wallace
13.O'Driscoll
14.Trimble
15.Fitzgerald

CouchSmart

Trojan wrote: »

If he starts Varley, that's some kick in the teeth for Cronin. What kind of rationale is there for that?

What team does he play for again? :P

But seriously, Smal really rates him. I'd say he's better than Cronin at the set piece personally.

Trojan

CouchSmart wrote: »

But seriously, Smal really rates him. I'd say he's better than Cronin at the set piece personally.

But then why wasn't he on the bench against SA? Something rotten in the state of Irish rugby...

CouchSmart

Trojan wrote: »

But then why wasn't he on the bench against SA? Something rotten in the state of Irish rugby...

During an interview a few years back Kidney said that all selection decisions are made final by him, obviously. All the coaches get to give input but he decides. So, while Smal might see great potential, perhaps Kidney doesn't, sure if he was still at Munster it'd probably still be 2. Flan; 16. Shehan.

Then again Smal reckons Buckley could be world class so maybe Kidney's right not to pay attention.

ali123

NEEDS TO START SEXTON,
O'Gara is great and has my respect but he is not the future and if Sexton is deemed unsuitable the he needs to give one of the other new guys a run out. Nothing can be gained from this match if he doesn't try to shake up the squad a bit. I would rather we loose taking risks than loose with the same old problems.

Hype710

I'd go with:

G Murphy
Trimble
Earls
P Wallace
Fitzgerald
Sexton/O' Gara
Stringer
Heaslip
O' Brien
Leamy
Cullen
O' Callaghan
Ross
Cronin
Healy

Best
Court
Toner
Muldoon
Boss
O' Gara/Sexton
J Murphy

The fact Hayes was kept on in the squad while Ross was sent back to Leinster suggests that Hayes will start if Buckley doesn't make it

Hopefully we'll see a new centre combination.

super_furry

Surely the IRFU have to do everything in their power to get people into the stadium now. Give the tickets away to schools if they have to because if they don't, I can see Ireland walking out to a half-empty ground which will do the players no good at all in what's quickly become a must-win game.

antogz1979

[Jackass] wrote: »

Rumour from camp is that Kidney will be going with:

1. Horan
2. Varley
3. Hayes
4. O'Callaghan
5. O'Driscoll
6. Quinlan
7. Wallace
8. Leamy

9. Stringer
10. O'Gara
11. Dowling
12. Earls
13. Tipoki
14. Hurley
15. Johne Murphy

I'm sure they would do better than the team that started on Saturday anyway.

My team

1 Court
2 Cronin
3 Ross
4 DOC
5 Cullen
6 Leamy
7 SOB
8 Heaslip
9 Stringer
10 Sexton
11 Earls
12 Wallace
13 Bowe
14 Trimble
15 G Murphy.

16 Varley 17 Healy 18 Toner 19 Ryan 20 Boss 21 O'Gara 22 Fitzgerald.

How I would love to see a 22 like that, but the chances of it happening are slim and none. I'd also consider Hagen, Carr and Jennings, but left them out as they are not in the 30. I think their is a big call to bring someone like Jennings back, going by what Pocock did on Saturday. I think they should always be room for a real 7.

Spud83

I can't see us going with the same team for four games this month so I can see there will be some changes for this week. However we will not see a complete new team.

Healy.
Cronin
Ross

DOC
Cullen

Ferris
O'Brien
Heaslip

Stringer
O'Gara

11. Trimble
12. Wallace
13. Earls
14. Bowe
15. Fitzgerald


What I would like to see but I think even the above may contain too many changes for Kidney. Especially as the team needs a win.

its_phil

I'd like to see:
1.Court
2.Cronin
3.Ross

4.Toner
5.DOC

6.Muldoon
7.SOB
8.Leamy

9.Stringer
10. ROG

11.Johne Murphy
12. Wallace
13. Earls
14.Trimble
15.G.Murphy/Duffy

its_phil

ali123 wrote: »

NEEDS TO START SEXTON,
O'Gara is great and has my respect but he is not the future and if Sexton is deemed unsuitable the he needs to give one of the other new guys a run out. Nothing can be gained from this match if he doesn't try to shake up the squad a bit. I would rather we loose taking risks than loose with the same old problems.

Without trying to start a ROG vs Sexton debate, but the World Cup is only 10 months away. I don't see the point in arguing about the future. All eyes are on RWC 2011. If ROG or Sexton play well over next 10 months they both deserve to be there

Teferi

ali123 wrote: »

NEEDS TO START SEXTON,
O'Gara is great and has my respect but he is not the future and if Sexton is deemed unsuitable the he needs to give one of the other new guys a run out. Nothing can be gained from this match if he doesn't try to shake up the squad a bit. I would rather we loose taking risks than loose with the same old problems.

I don't think that the reason for O'Gara starting is because Sexton is unsuitable. It is probably due to last weeks impact performance with Stringer. I'd imagine if Sexton doesn't start against Samoa then he will be starting the final two times to give him as much exposure as possible to the AB and the Argies.

its_phil

http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2010/1108/ireland1.html

buckley, kearney,and duffy out with muldoon released

Thanos

Think it goes without saying that both Sexton and O'Gara will go to the WC as they both bring something slightly different.
The bigger question is who do you bring as SH, I think Stringer has to go as his pass is second to none of the players we have to choose from, the question then remains who else......

Also see the following on RTE
Scrum-half Isaac Boss, prop Mike Ross, centre Fergus McFadden and hooker Damien Varley have been added to the Ireland squad.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2010/1108/ireland1.html

Lord Trollington

If you keep worrying aboout the future, it may never come. Whoever is playing the best Rugby in their particular position, relative to the game plan and the type of game we want to play should start.

If we're to build for the future, BOD should not be starting, Earls or Trible should be tried in centre.

Spud83

whycliff wrote: »

If you keep worrying aboout the future, it may never come. Whoever is playing the best Rugby in their particular position, relative to the game plan and the type of game we want to play should start.

If we're to build for the future, BOD should not be starting, Earls or Trible should be tried in centre.

I'd actually agree with this for the next two games, at the moment do we have 13 with any international test experience? If BOD gets injured we are f*cked, many would say we would be anyway, but we need back up in place.

Teferi

Muldoon getting released will mean he will still get a game against Samoa. I'd say he is delighted, in a way.

its_phil

whycliff wrote: »

If you keep worrying aboout the future, it may never come. Whoever is playing the best Rugby in their particular position, relative to the game plan and the type of game we want to play should start.

If we're to build for the future, BOD should not be starting, Earls or Trible should be tried in centre.

I'd love to see Tommy Bowe tried in the centre, he's had a few games in centre for Ospreys and didn't he play there in a couple of Lions games in SA?

danthefan

Teferi wrote: »

Muldoon getting released will mean he will still get a game against Samoa. I'd say he is delighted, in a way.

Talk is a Leamy/SOB/Heaslip backrow.

Thanos

danthefan wrote: »

Talk is a Leamy/SOB/Heaslip backrow.

Would not mind seeing that, think we need to try a few combinations any way. Would assume Heaslip will not play the full game with AB match up next.

tolosenc

Healy
Cronin
Ross
Cullen
DOC
Ferris
SOB
Heaslip
Stringer
Sexton
Fitz
BOD
Bowe
Trimble
Murphy

Bench:
Best
Court
Toner
Leamy
Reddan
O'Gara
Kearney

pappyodaniel

[Jackass] wrote: »

Personaly I'd like to see:

1. Court
2. Cronin
3. Ross
4. Cullen
5. O'Callaghan
6. Leamy
7. Jennings
8. O'Brien

9. Stringer
10. Sexton
11. Fitzgerald
12. D'Arcy
13. Bowe
14. Earls
15. G. Murphy

Jennings, he's a very average player and his form atm is below average. Besides that, I think your selection ain't bad with my change of Heaslip at 8 and O'Brien at 7. Hopefully Kidney is happy with the fitness of Earls and Cullen to come back into the fold.

Injury worry wise, I hope Buckley is ok, I think he needs another game to get match shape for the AB's. I seriously can't understand the abuse he's taking here for his performance at the weekend.

antogz1979

Has Geordan Murphy being called up?, does anyone know.

Thanos

antogz1979 wrote: »

Has Geordan Murphy being called up?, does anyone know.

From the IT

"Leicester want Geordan Murphy to play against Australia tomorrow night, and Kidney intimated he was happy enough with that, but Rob Kearney’s knee may dictate otherwise."

Although he has not as yet been called up so I would guess he will not be for the Samoa match

B0X

pappyodaniel wrote: »

I seriously can't understand the abuse he's taking here for his performance at the weekend.

Because his supposed strength is in the loose but he showed none of it on Saturday. Our scrum is dire with Buckley and Healy and it's hard to win when such an important set piece is non existant. It would have been better if Buckley was offsetting going backwards in the scrum by just smashing through players with ball in hand but that wasnt the case.

pappyodaniel

B0X wrote: »

Because his supposed strength is in the loose but he showed none of it on Saturday. Our scrum is dire with Buckley and Healy and it's hard to win when such an important set piece is non existant. It would have been better if Buckley was offsetting going backwards in the scrum by just smashing through players with ball in hand but that wasnt the case.

He never got any ball to carry which was a pity, in fairness to him he made a lot of tackles, done some good work around the rucks (esp his toe-poke which led to Healy kicking through and BO'D chase in the 1st half) and he smashed the SA bully Bakkies in one particular ruck.

I for one am disappointed with the abuse. And that ape David Kelly in the Indo today giving him a match score of 3/10.

Otacon

We all knew the set-pieces were going to be a bit rubbish [maybe not to the extent they were] but Buckley does not deserve all the criticism he is getting. He tackled well, was a menace at their rucks and performed well when he could be involved.

Mr.Applepie

pappyodaniel wrote: »

He never got any ball to carry which was a pity, in fairness to him he made a lot of tackles, done some good work around the rucks (esp his toe-poke which led to Healy kicking through and BO'D chase in the 1st half) and he smashed the SA bully Bakkies in one particular ruck.

I for one am disappointed with the abuse. And that ape David Kelly in the Indo today giving him a match score of 3/10.

I saw some stats earlier saying he made 6 tackles and missed one.
I was disappointed with Buckley on Saturday because I thought he had been playing well coming into the game and it looked like he had improved his scrummaging... he still has a long way to go and personally i would prefer to see Ross there to try and lock out the scrum and give Ireland a platform

Spud83

Otacon wrote: »

We all knew the set-pieces were going to be a bit rubbish [maybe not to the extent they were] but Buckley does not deserve all the criticism he is getting. He tackled well, was a menace at their rucks and performed well when he could be involved.

His tackle count is around the same as Courts based on minutes played. He made no ground with the ball in hand which Court did, and Buckley also missed a tackle.

Now I'm not saying he deserves a lot of criticism as he wasn't exactly surrounding by a performing pack, however TH is a problem position for us, one that needs to be sorted during these AI's, I'd like to have the position a bit nailed down going into the six nations, and I'd like to see our options given a go there unless someone grabs the jersey by the scruff of the neck.

Buckley didn't do that, so someone else should be given that opportunity, especially as we have two options to try there in Ross, and Court.

PhatPiggins

This game should be all about development. I change everyone bar Heaslip and Sexton and move Bowe in to 13. If we're not going to experiment against the likes of Samoa then when?

smurphy29

To be fair Mushy did play like a bag of nails. I had actually built him up quite a bit in my mind before the game, I thought his skillset would come to the fore and his form has been good. But he was a let-down.

But...

Anyone saying he should be cast aside and not seen again and has had enough chances is way off. This was his second start in a top tier game. Our prsistance with using Hayes for 80 minutes at a time has left us with a tighthead with virtually no international experience. He is more of a rookie than Healy at this level, despite their age profile. He will never be a great scrummager but he will have his good days around the park.

Anyway he's injured now. Bring on the Rosser to lock up the scrum at least.

OldRio

No matter who plays we need Leadership. Sadly lacking on Saturday.

pappyodaniel

Mr.Applepie wrote: »

I saw some stats earlier saying he made 6 tackles and missed one.

Cool, where do you find the player stats for matches.... link

thanks in advance