Is John Cena Nexus or Against Us? ***may contain SS spoilers***

Gerard.C

What do ye think?

I reckon he'll end up being Nexus. He'll help Barrett win the title, and Orton will be thick with him, so he'll just say **** it and give Orton a big massive AA. The last few months on Raw have been planting seeds for R-Truth to be on the end of a huge beating from Cena too.

Ideally he wouldnt turn heel straight away. I would have him help Orton, and Nexus will save him from an RKO, showing a weird sort of loyalty with him or something.

Either way tis interesting

Bounty Hunter

I said it before partially in Jest but...now elaborated upon... I could see Orton grwing in frustation thinking the referee (Cena) isn't calling the match down the middle with his career on the line and continually gets in Cena's face. Seemingly this causes Cena to snap as he gives Orton an attitude adjustment allowing Barett to pick up the win and become the new WWE champion.

This will later be described as yet another Survivor series screwjob asit's revealed that it was always the plan and that although Cena had won his freedom from Nexus he was still allied to them. He goes from being a lacky hired gun under Baretts order to the co-leader of Nexus in one foul swoop turning heel.

Eventually Orton gets his 1 on 1 rematch for the title at The Rumble against |Wade Barett after Cena had continued to be involved in the main event scene perhaps in a triple threat match at the following PPV. Meanwhile Cena takes part in the rumble, planning to win it and unite both world titles under the Nexus banner. However a returning Undertaker costs him this chance in the Rumble match and allied to how Nexus were at fault for his burial a Undertaker vs Nexus/Cena feud starts in the build up to Mania.


The above wont happen

Charisteas

It depends if WWE have the balls to turn their biggest money making machine into a heel. But because they are teasing it, it's not going to be such a big surprise anymore if it happens.

What would swerve everyone is they could have a triple threat match, Barrett, Orton, Cena, and have Randy Orton turn heel and join Nexus. :eek: How shocking would that be?

Barrett would explain that Nexus have the WWE champion, Tag Team Champions, so would have almost conquered the WWE. Then Barrett would go after Edge, who will be the next WHC after beating Kane, and Barrett will beat him at the RR or WM, having both World Champions in Nexus.

Then Lay-Cool will join Nexus...........

Nody

WWE has no reason to turn Cena except for board warriors like us and lets face it we're not that important in the over all WWE scheme of things .

glenjamin

If Cena turns heel at Survivor Series it could well put the PPV back on the map as one of the 'big four'. Everyone will always remember the day when Cena turns and this could very well be it.

Diabhal Beag

He's not against doing those stupidly annoying headbutt confrontations. Hate them.

He's against that gee-bag gowl Wade.

Cianan2

pure against us boi

I thought Cena was a pretty decent heel a few years back, I can see it happening. There will be another face to pay the bills eventually

Charisteas

Cianan2 wrote: »

I thought Cena was a pretty decent heel a few years back, I can see it happening. There will be another face to pay the bills eventually

Or they could wait for HHH to return before turning Cena heel.

jaykhunter

I just can't see WWE pulling the trigger with the Cena heel turn. Here's how I think WWE will book it :

Survivor Series : Cena won't count the fall, AA's barrett or whatever and Orton retains. Immediately afterwards Barrett gets on the mic and fires Cena. The camera pans around the arena for about 10 minutes as stunned kids/marks look on in awe. Cena slowly leaves.

For the rest of the year, no Cena. December is a desperate time for WWE anyways, ratings-wise. It'd make Cena's return much more impactful.

~early January, Cena does a run in, stops Barrett from winning the title or winning the Royal Rumble; and continues the run-in stuff until he gets a match with Barrett and his job back. The fued to culminate at Mania with Barrett vs Cena.

Machismo Fan

pure against us boi

jaykhunter wrote: »

Survivor Series : Cena won't count the fall, AA's barrett or whatever and Orton retains. Immediately afterwards Barrett gets on the mic and fires Cena. The camera pans around the arena for about 10 minutes as stunned kids/marks look on in awe. Cena slowly leaves.

Doesn't Cena not want to screw Orton because he morally doesn't agree with it rather than that he's friends with him? So in theory shouldn't he not want to screw Barrett for the same reason and call it straight down the middle? And if he has no problem screwing Barrett then surely he should have no problem screwing Orton because he doesn't like either of them. Or an I drastically over-thinking this?

jaykhunter

Not at all, it's fantastic that finally WWE has a storyline that we can debate/sink our teeth into, discussing the possibilities. Take it when we can get it!!

I'd say that Cena is more wrestling with his morals vs keeping his job rather than Orton having anything to do with it, it's the implication of screwing a face out of the WWE title rather than Orton himself (kayfabe wise Cena should not like him much since they wrestled all year last year and many times this year again).

I'd have to go back and watch RAW but I got the impression that Cena was leaning towards screwing Orton and keeping his job (i.e. the greater good), so Orton (and R-Truth) was pressuring him to do the right thing (i.e. get fired and keep his "self-respect")

I reckon Cena will call it down the middle til the end, then barrett will shout and berate Cena until he snaps and AA's barrett for orton's win.

Mitch Connor

Cianan2 wrote: »

I thought Cena was a pretty decent heel a few years back, I can see it happening. There will be another face to pay the bills eventually

Thing is, if the turn Cena heel they can use it as a vehicle to get another 'superstar' over as a face in a big way, vs the big bad Cena. After a suitable time, with the new star getting exposure and drawing power, they can then look at slowly turning Cena face again - at which point you would have two well over faces earning the company money instead of one.

I really do hope they turn Cena heel - i feel it needs to be done.

jaykhunter

See if Cena turns heel, why would he wait this long to turn? Either he's turning to fully embrace Nexus, or of his own accord. If he's embraced Nexus then shouldn't he have helped get Barrett the title already? Like last month or in that 6 pack challenge (Barrett's title shots). If he was actually coming round to Nexus then there would've been more of those Otunga-to-Cena "we're not so bad" vignettes...

If he's turning heel of his own accord would his reasoning be sound? What would be the impetus? If he cites "the crowd turned on him" it'd be extremely lame because it's just not the case (the crowd are rallying behind him despite him having to "do heel things" and feel for his predicament) and the heel turn will take a while to click, if at all. It's like when Taker turned heel ~2002 as Big Evil, he cited "demanding respect" which was inane, and never really clicked with the masses.

Plus the IWC want Cena to turn heel (and Christian to main event) and WWE/Vince hates us.

Anyway they're my reasons for Cena not turning heel.

Mitch Connor

jaykhunter wrote: »

See if Cena turns heel, why would he wait this long to turn? Either he's turning to fully embrace Nexus, or of his own accord. If he's embraced Nexus then shouldn't he have helped get Barrett the title already? Like last month or in that 6 pack challenge (Barrett's title shots). If he was actually coming round to Nexus then there would've been more of those Otunga-to-Cena "we're not so bad" vignettes...

If he's turning heel of his own accord would his reasoning be sound? What would be the impetus? If he cites "the crowd turned on him" it'd be extremely lame because it's just not the case (the crowd are rallying behind him despite him having to "do heel things" and feel for his predicament) and the heel turn will take a while to click, if at all. It's like when Taker turned heel ~2002 as Big Evil, he cited "demanding respect" which was inane, and never really clicked with the masses.

Plus the IWC want Cena to turn heel (and Christian to main event) and WWE/Vince hates us.

Anyway they're my reasons for Cena not turning heel.

Partially agree.

If he is to align with Nexus, it needed to be slow, so it makes sense that he would not have helped previously but may do so at SS.

I would, however, also say that I haven't seen enough in the Nexus storyline to make me think it is going to be used for Cena to turn heel in a logical way - i think it would have made sense for Barrett to slowly turn Cena to his line of thinking over the last few weeks, not massively so, but in a subtle way. They could have had Barrett use Nexus members to help Cena in some matches where Cena's goals were on the line - helping to make cena see that being with Nexus isn't a bad thing. What we have seen is Nexus bullying and embarrassing Cena at every turn, so Cena has had no reason to come round to the Nexus way of thinking.

So yeah, while I see the logic in not having had Cena turn heel already (it should be a slow burner) I don't see anything in the way it has been done to lead me to believe Cena will join Nexus to turn heel. Best I can see at the moment is Cena turning heel vs Orton but remaining face vs Barrett, so a tweener.

jaykhunter

Really good points there.

Cena coming round to thinking Nexus are good guys and he can use them seems pretty unfathomable (to me) because he's super Cena; the guy who no-sells a DDT to concrete and gets beats 2 guys in 2 minutes afterwards... He doesn't need or want or can use a group; since he's Super Cena. All of his booking for the last billion years is that he overcomes odds and just beats opponents clean. He's the very top of the food chain and is practically impossible to beat (only via lots of cheating)

anyway what that long-winded paragraph was supposed to say was "Cena needs to be booked inferior for Nexus to actually be use to him".

I wonder if WWE would book him like that, and have Nexus do things (like help him win the rumble, like Legacy helped Orton win the RR09)....i can't see it happening

Cianan2

pure against us boi

What if there is a backstage talk between Barrett and Cena, with Barrett offering him a leading role in Nexus should he help him win the title. Cena seeing this as his opportunity to use Nexus to his advantage and take out certain people, win titles and whatnot? Hence it taking so long in the making, and with this one segment it can show Cena actually realising the potential gain from it for him.

CMpunked

pure against us boi

If they turn cena for the purpose of going against taker at mania, then surely at the end of mania they would revert him back as quickly as possible?
kinda like the rock/hogan?

Like cena not going full heel going into mania, then in the match somewhere there is a barratt run in, but he gets laid out by taker, who then beats cena, but post match cena delivers an FU to barratt and then cena is back in babyface land.

FutureGuy

My plan for Survivor Series-(I'd love for Cena to turn heel but I don't think it's going to happen so I see him being a face until WM.)

Barrett vs Orton goes about 20 minutes, lots of near pinfalls with both having problems with Cena's decisions. Nexus try to interfere in the match, but Cena hunts them away. While distracted, Barrett does some heel shenanigans and knocks Orton out. Cena is oblivious, fans screaming foul play, Cena counts 1..2..3. Here is your winner, and the NEW WWE Champion. Wade Barrett!!!

Cue tons of goading from Barrett. Nexus come out to celebrate as Cena, now released from Nexus watches on. They have finally captured the gold! Screw the fans-told you so. They turn their attentions to Cena. He's going to get a beating regardless.

Out come 6-7 stars who beat down all of Nexus away except Barrett and chase them away. We're left with a tired Barrett and Cena at his vein bulging angry best. beat down followed by AA adjustment on Barrett. Fans go wild.

Miz comes out, fans realize what is about to happen. Mis hits Skull Crushing Finale on Barrett. Pin's him, Cena makes the count. And we sign off Survivor series with Barrett suffering one of the shortest title reigns ever and Miz as the WWE champ. Of course Miz will have to stick it to the fans the following night, but the Miz is Awesome so that won't be a problem

the drifter

FutureGuy wrote: »

My plan for Survivor Series-(I'd love for Cena to turn heel but I don't think it's going to happen so I see him being a face until WM.)

Barrett vs Orton goes about 20 minutes, lots of near pinfalls with both having problems with Cena's decisions. Nexus try to interfere in the match, but Cena hunts them away. While distracted, Barrett does some heel shenanigans and knocks Orton out. Cena is oblivious, fans screaming foul play, Cena counts 1..2..3. Here is your winner, and the NEW WWE Champion. Wade Barrett!!!

Cue tons of goading from Barrett. Nexus come out to celebrate as Cena, now released from Nexus watches on. They have finally captured the gold! Screw the fans-told you so. They turn their attentions to Cena. He's going to get a beating regardless.

Out come 6-7 stars who beat down all of Nexus away except Barrett and chase them away. We're left with a tired Barrett and Cena at his vein bulging angry best. beat down followed by AA adjustment on Barrett. Fans go wild.

Miz comes out, fans realize what is about to happen. Mis hits Skull Crushing Finale on Barrett. Pin's him, Cena makes the count. And we sign off Survivor series with Barrett suffering one of the shortest title reigns ever and Miz as the WWE champ. Of course Miz will have to stick it to the fans the following night, but the Miz is Awesome so that won't be a problem

This...please this!!!

parker kent

pure against us boi

Miz cashing in now is way, way too soon. He needs a few months of build up to make him feel like a main eventer. I really doubt that Miz will cash in during 2010.

paddyismaddy

Charisteas wrote: »

It depends if WWE have the balls to turn their biggest money making machine into a heel. But because they are teasing it, it's not going to be such a big surprise anymore if it happens.

What would swerve everyone is they could have a triple threat match, Barrett, Orton, Cena, and have Randy Orton turn heel and join Nexus. :eek: How shocking would that be?

Barrett would explain that Nexus have the WWE champion, Tag Team Champions, so would have almost conquered the WWE. Then Barrett would go after Edge, who will be the next WHC after beating Kane, and Barrett will beat him at the RR or WM, having both World Champions in Nexus.

Then Lay-Cool will join Nexus...........

orton as a heel and in nexus works for me

PTH2009

Cena will fight off the rest of nexus and then Orton will get knocked into cena and knock him out of the ring and as he is looking out the ring at cena barret gets a chair and hits orton with it and pins orton and another referee comes out and counts the 1,2,3. Cena gets back up and goes into the ring and hits barret with the fu and then orton gets back up and hits cena with the RKO and leaves the ring.

This will set up a triple threat match at royal rumble between cena orton and barret.

would love to see cena turn heel but i just cant see it happening.

Mitch Connor

My guess is Cena will count Barrett as the champ, then the miz will come down, cash in and Cena will gleefully count Miz as champion.

CMpunked

pure against us boi

Mitch Connor wrote: »

My guess is Cena will count Barrett as the champ, then the miz will come down, cash in and Cena will gleefully count Miz as champion.

But afterwards nexus should come down to the ring and beat the snot out of cena.
So at least that storyline can advance.

Mitch Connor

CMpunked wrote: »

But afterwards nexus should come down to the ring and beat the snot out of cena.
So at least that storyline can advance.

actually, adding to my idea of what could happen, I reckon The Miz will hit the ring to cash in after Cena unloads on Barrett and gives him the 'AA'. Then Miz will cash in and Cena will do the count. That way, Cena takes even more direct responsibility for Barrett losing the belt.

What I would like to happen is for Cena to turn heel and join Nexus willingly, but i don't think it will happen. They could set it up beautifully though.

Have Cena call the match fair, then have something happen for Barrett to win (but be wrecked after the fight). Have a stare down between Cena and Barrett with Cena teasing a beating and an AA (while Barrett holds the title and his ribs or something...). Then, just as it looks like Cena is gonna make his move to kick the crap out of Barrett, The Miz's music hits, to a smile from Cena. Miz hits the ring, hits his finisher and covers barrett. Cena counts 1....2..... then stops, smiles and hammers the miz. Takes off the ref top and has nexus on underneath.

Would be brilliant.

FutureGuy

Mitch Connor wrote: »

My guess is Cena will count Barrett as the champ, then the miz will come down, cash in and Cena will gleefully count Miz as champion.

See my post above Mitch...great minds!

jaykhunter

God, I hope they don't blow their load and have two new first time champions within a few minutes. Seems like a HUGE anti-climax to the Nexus storyline. Completely takes the steam out of Cena/Barrett. Barrett getting the world title is a huge deal!

BTW, here's my prognostication :

Barrett vs Orton -
most of the match, Cena calls it down the middle
Barrett starts cheating and gets Cena more frustrated
Barrett maybe uses a chair etc and pins him but Cena won't count
the two shout/argue, Orton tries to capitalize, can't
bit more of that, Barrett berates and hits Cena, Cena contemplates this while Barrett reads him the riot act, Cena snaps and FU's Barrett, Orton gets the pin and the victory.

Orton leaves, Barrett regains his composure, Cena realises what's going to happen.
Barrett fires Cena. Pan around the arena as the kids/marks are all in disbelief, going back and forth with shots of Cena's anguished face. 5-10 minutes of that and we go off the air.

OK so the details won't be exactly right, but I'm saying that Barrett starts cheating and berating Cena, who eventually flips out and costs Barrett the match, and gets fired.

I'm also predicting no Cena for the rest of the year. It's WWE's worst month of the year so who cares. Cena will do a run in at some point costing Barrett the WWE championship during a title match, and also the Royal Rumble (who will be using Nexus to win the Rumble match). Possibly even at No Way Out as well. This all leads to a Cena vs Barrett match at Mania.

Nody

Barrett takes down Orton in a bad way; refuses to count to 3 and AA Barett and do a double count out of both.

Charisteas

Mitch Connor wrote: »

My guess is Cena will count Barrett as the champ, then the miz will come down, cash in and Cena will gleefully count Miz as champion.

Cena is a ref for the Orton/Barrett match only. If Barrett wins the title, and then Miz cashes in his MITB, then Cena would be null and void as a ref.

Insect Overlord

Nody wrote: »

Barrett takes down Orton in a bad way; refuses to count to 3 and AA Barett and do a double count out of both.

I think the stipulation says that the match has to end with submission or 3-count, so a double count-out won't work. Apologies if I've picked that up wrong though.

Handsome Bob

I can see a match where Orton is just being a major jackass towards Cena even though he's trying his best to call it down the middle. Finally Cena loses it and strikes Orton (maybe with the belt?) who stumbles straight into Wasteland (I think that's the name of Barrett's finisher). Cena reluctantly makes the 3 count.

A further possibility is a number of wrestlers coming down to get in Cena's face such as R-Truth. Cena looks to be on the verge of a beat down by Orton, R Truth and co only to be saved by The Nexus. Show ends with a conflicted and confused looking Cena. :pac:

D-FENS

pure against us boi

Gerard.C wrote: »

What do ye think?

I reckon he'll end up being Nexus. He'll help Barrett win the title, and Orton will be thick with him, so he'll just say **** it and give Orton a big massive AA. The last few months on Raw have been planting seeds for R-Truth to be on the end of a huge beating from Cena too.

Ideally he wouldnt turn heel straight away. I would have him help Orton, and Nexus will save him from an RKO, showing a weird sort of loyalty with him or something.

Either way tis interesting

Have to say on a little side note, as much as i love the whole Nexus concept, that logo is brutal...you're either Nexus or you're

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connemara man

What Id like to see is Orton to retain the title, then Cena manages to turn the nexus minus Barrett to join him so he doesn't lose his job i.e using them to disrupt with a more devastating effect then when they first arrived, so he turns heel and Barrett doesn't become champion and isolated

Lord TSC

I don't think he'll turn tbh.

I think he'll screw Orton and help Barrett win. He'll attack and thrash Barrett and when he thinks Nexus will appear, Otunga will do something to stop them. As Cena leaves, Miz comes out and cashes in. Cena doesn't like Miz but he sees that there's a cosmic sense of justice in screwing Barett out of the title as quickly as he helped him win it.

CIARAN_BOYLE

orton and barett get into it
cena calls down the middle
barrett takes a chair and hits orton a couple of times and takes him down
cena takes the chair off barett
barett goes for the pin
cena beats up barett with the chairs
knocks him out and puts him over orton and quickly counts
miz comes out and takes money in the bank

CMpunked

pure against us boi

Is anyone looking forward to seeing what the end of the match will be?

Mitch Connor

CMpunked wrote: »

Is anyone looking forward to seeing what the end of the match will be?

yeah - but i will have to read it, in work the next day and won't be paying the 21euro for it.

Gerard.C

pure against us boi

CMpunked wrote: »

Is anyone looking forward to seeing what the end of the match will be?

Oh god I am, I just hope they dont make a right balls of it, as it has been the best storyline in wrestling in years

CMpunked

pure against us boi

Usually with these kind of matches, there are about 2 scenarios that are likely to happen.
One where they tease it and the other where through dirt sheets, people figure it out. (someone needing surgery etc)

But when cena got randy DQ'd in the match with randy that led to barratt winning really showed you they were trying something different with this one.
The idea that there are 4 even 5 scenarios that could play this one out i hope is an example of the sort of writing that will be done for feuds in the future.

johnn

I going to go out on a limb and say that in the end Cena will either be Nexus or against us.

pbffan

Cena's never turning heel, ever:(

Mr.Nice Guy

I think Orton is leaving without the belt. I've a feeling by the end of the night Miz may well have the gold. I'm actually very tempted to get this on PPV and usually the only events I contemplate buying are the Rumble and Mania. I think they've done a great job promoting the main event and they should get a better buyrate than usual.

TripleAce

Hopefully we will see who really is behind Nexus....Triple H? Jericho?

CMpunked

pure against us boi

Jericho is viable as he was wades pro in NXT.

Jericho as the GM would be brilliant too.

Lord TSC

I'm excited but worried.

WWE has a habit of trying to swerve on what are obvious outcomes, despite them being the most logical and exciting. It looks obvious that Barrett is walking out as champ tonight, but I'm worried they'll swerve and have....Mark Henry come out and unveil himself as the leader, just to be "unpredictable".

(*remembers Christian's botched return and huddles in a corner crying*)

CMpunked

pure against us boi

the worst return ever!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flFg2NJk7zI

Hornswoggle.. Oh no its christian!! ....

pbffan

I've a feeling I know who's behind the Nexus



It's the perfect way to give the Masterpiece his much deserved and highly anticipated return to the main event scene. Personally, I could also see him ending the streak at Wrestlemania this year

Failing that, I see Barrett finagling his way to victory, forcing a reluctant Cena to make the count and award him the Championship. The rest of Nexus comes out to celebrate, and Cena, in classic Cena fashion, will lay the smackdown on every single one of them and overcome the odds. Then Miz comes out and cashes in:D

Rjd2

pbffan wrote: »

I've a feeling I know who's behind the Nexus



It's the perfect way to give the Masterpiece his much deserved and highly anticipated return to the main event scene. Personally, I could also see him ending the streak at Wrestlemania this year

Post of the year surely?:):):)

jaykhunter

CMpunked wrote: »

the worst return ever!

Tomko's return to TNA was pretty awful.

Backstage :
- Oh hey Tomko, how's it going?
- Yeah, i'm here. Good times.
- Are you AJ's assailant?
- Nah.

....Actually yes.

(they have a match, AJ jobs him out clean)

(Tomko gets fired)

I'm not sure if he showed up in WWE out of shape before or after his big return.

johnn

Why exactly will Cena be fired if Wadeforde doesn't win anyway? Why would Barrett have the authority to fire him from WWE and not only from Nexus, and surely the GM would have no reason to want Barrett to win the match to stack it in his favour like this.

jaykhunter

johnn wrote: »

Why exactly will Cena be fired if Wadeforde doesn't win anyway? Why would Barrett have the authority to fire him from WWE and not only from Nexus, and surely the GM would have no reason to want Barrett to win the match to stack it in his favour like this.

Wade has the power to fire Cena if he doesn't obey his orders; since he "owns" Cenas contract as part of the Nexus. It was set up to make sure Cena obeys Wade and is part of the Nexus; outlined the night after Hell in a Cell where Cena 'injured' Tarver.

The GM's a heel (and probably part of the overall Nexus plan) so he's siding with Barrett on this one. The point is to give Cena a no-win scenario. So the GM isn't a huge mark lol