NFL's Top 100 Players of All Time

Hazys

http://top100.nfl.com/?module=HP_cp2

It'd be interesting to hear people's views on the list, especially the guys who've been following the league for years.

D3PO

i think these lists are stupid personally. You cant compare across different decades, with different rules etc.

and then of course you get the stupid QB bias where 20% of the "top 100" are QB's and not a single one of them listed is a safety :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Syferus

My biggest issue with the show is that the guy transcoding the HD versions of the episodes stopped and the guy making the SD versions never stepped up to fill in!

frostie500

D3PO wrote: »

i think these lists are stupid personally. You cant compare across different decades, with different rules etc.

and then of course you get the stupid QB bias where 20% of the "top 100" are QB's and not a single one of them listed is a safety :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Did Ronnie Lott not play safety as well as corner with the niners, small point I know! These lists are fairly pointless but seeing as the debate always goes on about players shows like these can be good viewing. The one thing I love about the NFL is that they have such a vast archieve of film that we can see footage from years ago and see how good players were of the 50s etc

Syferus

Everyone does know this is based off an NFL Films series and if you're remotely interested it might be wiser to give it a look before you read the list.. right?

jdivision

Lott's reputation was made as a safety

heyjude

Rod Woodson while starting his career as a cornerback, also played at safety for several years

eagle eye

Well just talking about my own time watching the game. I've no doubt in my mind that the best players I've seen are Barry Sanders, Deion Sanders, Joe Montana, Jerry Rice and Lawrence Taylor. Ronnie Lott was an exceptional player too but I'd have him behind that group and the same goes for Walter Payton.

And Peyton Manning should not be in the top 10, this is a guy who threw away another superbowl last year. He constantly fails to do it in the big games. The only superbowl he has won is when they took the ball off him for most of the game and gave it to Joseph Addai and Dominic Rhodes.

Like how can he be in the top 10 and Tom Brady at 21? And even more ludicrous is Steve Young at 81.

But the two most startling things to me are Deion Sanders at 34 and Barry Sanders at 17. They are the two best football players I have ever seen in any position. Even Lawrence Taylor and Jerry Rice were not as dominant for me as those two in their positions.

davyjose

eagle eye wrote: »

And Peyton Manning should not be in the top 10, this is a guy who threw away another superbowl last year. He constantly fails to do it in the big games. The only superbowl he has won is when they took the ball off him for most of the game and gave it to Joseph Addai and Dominic Rhodes.
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:rolleyes:

49ers fan

Eagle eye, there is no way to compare the 2 sanders with Jerry Rice, position for position..... Come on, JR was a legend, maybe slightly biased.....:D Must have a look back at Kings 'Monday Morning QB' to see his 'Top 100 list' and see how it compares.

themont85

eagle eye wrote: »

Well just talking about my own time watching the game. I've no doubt in my mind that the best players I've seen are Barry Sanders, Deion Sanders, Joe Montana, Jerry Rice and Lawrence Taylor. Ronnie Lott was an exceptional player too but I'd have him behind that group and the same goes for Walter Payton.

And Peyton Manning should not be in the top 10, this is a guy who threw away another superbowl last year. He constantly fails to do it in the big games. The only superbowl he has won is when they took the ball off him for most of the game and gave it to Joseph Addai and Dominic Rhodes.

Like how can he be in the top 10 and Tom Brady at 21? And even more ludicrous is Steve Young at 81.

But the two most startling things to me are Deion Sanders at 34 and Barry Sanders at 17. They are the two best football players I have ever seen in any position. Even Lawrence Taylor and Jerry Rice were not as dominant for me as those two in their positions.

And Tom Brady threw away the SB in 2008, John Elway threw 3 SBs away...blah blah blah.

At the end of the day his peers and those who watch him closest voted him there. Enjoyed Ray Lewis's piece on him.

Eire-Dearg

Love the fans ranking. Every "active" player's ranking is cut by about half.

Syferus

People always take these lists in films, music, games, sport and whatever else way too seriously. It's a piece of entertainment, a talking piece. All the best lists are a jumping off point, not the final word.

eagle eye

themont85 wrote: »

And Tom Brady threw away the SB in 2008, John Elway threw 3 SBs away...blah blah blah.

At the end of the day his peers and those who watch him closest voted him there. Enjoyed Ray Lewis's piece on him.

Brady didn't throw an interception in that superbowl. In fact Brady has thrown 1 interception in 4 superbowls. And that was in the game where he broke the record for most completions in 2003/04 which still stands and many other records at the time too.

Even Manning's superbowl MVP award is a sham. He wasn't even the second or third best player on the field in that game. And the two main contenders for the award should have been Dominic Rhodes and Joseph Addai. And that in itself shows just how unimportant he was in that game when its one or the other of the two running backs that should have gotten that award.

Its just a freaking joke is what it is that he made the top 10.

Brady has the unbeaten regular season, Brady has 3 rings, Brady has the most touchdowns in a season.

Manning has yardage records which mean nothing. Favre has yardage records and he isn't in the same hemisphere as Brady.

Syferus

BRADY FOR EARTH PRESIDENCY, BACKED BY BOARDS.IE AMERICAN FOOTBALL FORUM

tallaghtoutlaws

Syferus wrote: »

BRADY FOR EARTH PRESIDENCY, BACKED BY BOARDS.IE AMERICAN FOOTBALL FORUM

I care less for how these players are ranked. For me it is impossible to compare players of different eras and put them on a level playing field. As for the Manning Brady debate who cares an argument done to death. Both are class in their own right. Why is it people get sucked into my d1ck is bigger than your d1ck polls. There are many Top 5 polls or top 10 polls or top 100 polls out there and they are all different. Oh and Syferus why is it you can't go at least one thread without posting one nonsense post. Dude your jokes aren't funny :rolleyes:

Syferus

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I care less for how these players are ranked. For me it is impossible to compare players of different eras and put them on a level playing field. As for the Manning Brady debate who cares an argument done to death. Both are class in their own right. Why is it people get sucked into my d1ck is bigger than your d1ck polls. There are many Top 5 polls or top 10 polls or top 100 polls out there and they are all different. Oh and Syferus why is it you can't go at least one thread without posting one nonsense post. Dude your jokes aren't funny :rolleyes:

To be fair, when I posted it I was pretty sure everyone besides you and Eagle Eye would get it!

eagle eye

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I care less for how these players are ranked. For me it is impossible to compare players of different eras and put them on a level playing field. As for the Manning Brady debate who cares an argument done to death. Both are class in their own right. Why is it people get sucked into my d1ck is bigger than your d1ck polls. There are many Top 5 polls or top 10 polls or top 100 polls out there and they are all different. Oh and Syferus why is it you can't go at least one thread without posting one nonsense post. Dude your jokes aren't funny :rolleyes:

This isn't a Brady vs Manning debate at all. Its a Brady, Young, Baugh are much greater than Peyton Manning debate. Its not about one of them being better, they were all better when it counted than him.

I'm sick and tired of all the undeserved awards and praise he has gotten. Like last year Drew Brees was the best QB in the league, Chris Johnson joined the very exclusive 2000 yard rushing club and Manning gets the MVP. Its just ridiculous. Its not the first time and it won't be the last that he gets an award that he doesn't deserve. As I mentioned earlier there was the Superbowl MVP award too which was just so wrong.
Its like they just can't praise him enough when its plain for all to see that he plays worse on big days. How can a player who performs to a very average level in clutch moments be rated so high?

tommyboyle

If they arent the eagles to hell with them

tallaghtoutlaws

Syferus wrote: »

To be fair, when I posted it I was pretty sure everyone besides you and Eagle Eye would get it!

No I got it but your jokes are terribly unfunny, fact when you make one this always comes to mind:

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

This isn't a Brady vs Manning debate at all. Its a Brady, Young, Baugh are much greater than Peyton Manning debate. Its not about one of them being better, they were all better when it counted than him.

I'm sick and tired of all the undeserved awards and praise he has gotten. Like last year Drew Brees was the best QB in the league, Chris Johnson joined the very exclusive 2000 yard rushing club and Manning gets the MVP. Its just ridiculous. Its not the first time and it won't be the last that he gets an award that he doesn't deserve. As I mentioned earlier there was the Superbowl MVP award too which was just so wrong.
Its like they just can't praise him enough when its plain for all to see that he plays worse on big days. How can a player who performs to a very average level in clutch moments be rated so high?

I have to disagree. Again I really don't care where either of them are ranked but Manning and Brady for me will join all the other Elite QBs on their sunny ranch in Canton Ohio. I think you are taking all of this way too personally. I bet you Brady cares less where he is ranked by some poll.

Syferus

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

No I got it but your jokes are terribly unfunny, fact when you make one this always comes to mind

Let me quote you, then: ':rolleyes:'

tallaghtoutlaws

Syferus wrote: »

Let me quote you, then: ':rolleyes:'

Oh I see what you did there. But hey there is nothing wrong being that unfunny guy. Keep on telling them you may get a thanks or two and the odd chuckle

Syferus

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Oh I see what you did there. But hey there is nothing wrong being that unfunny guy. Keep on telling them you may get a thanks or two and the odd chuckle

Like when you say something about the Patriots, then?

Yup! I went there!

Peyton Manning

I'm glad Brady was 21. We all know he's unplayable when he has a chip on his shoulder, and if this spurs him on even more, then great. When Tom Terrific is kissing the Vince Lombardi Trophy this year as a result, I'm sure Peyton Manning can print off this list, laminate it, and go to town on it.

tallaghtoutlaws

Syferus wrote: »

Like when you say something about the Patriots, then?

Yup! I went there!

tommyboyle

Are you guys really this in to American football. I heard they are going to play more games there ever year

tallaghtoutlaws

tommyboyle wrote: »

Are you guys really this in to American football. I heard they are going to play more games there ever year

American Football is growing by the day here and the fanbase is large enough and the game is even played at an amateur level here in Ireland. And when you say "there" do you mean Ireland or the UK or Europe? If the NFL extend the NFL season I can see more games hitting the UK or some other Euro Country. But I just can't see it right now with the current format.

Dohnny Jepp

tommyboyle wrote: »

Are you guys really this in to American football. I heard they are going to play more games there ever year

Nah, none of us particularly like it. We only watch it for the cheerleaders.

tommyboyle

If they can make money, london will have an expansion team there within 5 years. How do you guys feel about using yards to measure the field

Tristram

Syferus is definitely funnier than tallaght anyway!

tallaghtoutlaws

tommyboyle wrote: »

If they can make money, london will have an expansion team there within 5 years. How do you guys feel about using yards to measure the field

They tried that and it was called NFL Europe and one of the many reasons it failed was because most NFL fans in the UK, Ireland and the rest of Europe already associate themselves as fans with American Franchises of the NFL. The International Series is unique right now because its one game and you are not asking individuals to commit all season long and they bring over already established Franchises.

If they set up a Franchise in the UK I think it will be a fad for a few years and end up like the Jacksonville Jaguars and have no solid fan base. Now I could be wrong and it gets off ground and works but there are so many other factors that may get in its way but thats another thread worth of writing.

As for yards don't forget the Ireland didn't always officially use the Metric system. I remember as a kid marking out soccer pitches in Yards or Feet and sometimes meters.

tallaghtoutlaws

Tristram wrote: »

Syferus is definitely funnier than tallaght anyway!

When did this become a Comedic battle? I am an arrogant, Obnoxious pr1ck. Not once do I ever claim to be funny. So if you want to compare someone making jokes and someone not sure Syferus wins hands down if thats what he is after.

Syferus

tommyboyle wrote: »

If they can make money, london will have an expansion team there within 5 years. How do you guys feel about using yards to measure the field

Very resentful because none of us know what a yard is.

tommyboyle

a yard is like two centimeters less than a meter. Im telling you london will be in the nfc east before long. If you guys get a third as ravenous as soccer fans it will be heaven for them

eagle eye

I much preferred the old system. Everything in the new system is just so simple, you needed to use your brain for the old system.

tommyboyle

i know. the metric system is what doctors and scientists use. the rest of us americans must man up to figure out how many pints in a gallon. what time is it there anyway

tallaghtoutlaws

tommyboyle wrote: »

a yard is like two centimeters less than a meter.

I think you will find you are wrong. May want to brush up on your Math skills before trolling the next time.

1 yard = 91.44 centimeters

1 meter = 100 centimeters

I think you will find there is 8.56cm the difference.

davyjose

Archimedes wrote: »

I'm glad Brady was 21. We all know he's unplayable when he has a chip on his shoulder, and if this spurs him on even more, then great. When Tom Terrific is kissing the Vince Lombardi Trophy this year as a result, I'm sure Peyton Manning can print off this list, laminate it, and go to town on it.

That bollox is why i'm not even going to get into it with eagle eye. but I expected a lot better off you Archie. Manning didn't write the fcuking list. Do you really think Manning cares about being ranked about being ranked 8? Do you really think Brady gives a fcuk about being ranked 21, to the point where he'll have a chip on his shoulder? These guys aren't pathetic loser fans choking on their own vitriol over a fcuking list. Most laughable of all is Manning and Brady are actually friendly, and have nothing but huge respect for each other. You think Brady thinks Manning's a choker? these guys want to win Super bowls. Simple as!!!

I will say, those people that think they have been watching the game a long time, and have a strong knowledge of the game, if those people believe Manning is a choker, or has Never done it in a big game, then that apparent "knowledge" of the game is bullsh!t -- nonexistent. I'm lucky in that I can admire both players, unlike some people. In the past, my opinion has been polarised because i've gotten in to ridiculous dick-waving arguments before. Not this time. I can now see how pathetic that looks.

Peyton Manning

davyjose wrote: »

That bollox is why i'm not even going to get into it with eagle eye. but I expected a lot better off you Archie. Manning didn't write the fcuking list. Do you really think Manning cares about being ranked about being ranked 8? Do you really think Brady gives a fcuk about being ranked 21, to the point where he'll have a chip on his shoulder? These guys aren't pathetic loser fans choking on their own vitriol over a fcuking list. Most laughable of all is Manning and Brady are actually friendly, and have nothing but huge respect for each other. You think Brady thinks Manning's a choker? these guys want to win Super bowls. Simple as!!!

I will say, those people that think they have been watching the game a long time, and have a strong knowledge of the game, if those people believe Manning is a choker, or has Never done it in a big game, then that apparent "knowledge" of the game is bullsh!t -- nonexistent. I'm lucky in that I can admire both players, unlike some people. In the past, my opinion has been polarised because i've gotten in to ridiculous dick-waving arguments before. Not this time. I can now see how pathetic that looks.

Oh relax it was meant as a joke. I think Peyton Manning is awesome and a joy to watch - I was even writing in my betting thread how much of a joke it is to have any team with Peyton Manning as QB as an underdog (as they are this weekend).

I just think Brady is better.

Edit: And for what it's worth, my biggest problem with this list isn't Brady at 21. It's Steve Young at 81. He was voted number 13 in the fans poll which is about right. How they deemed him number 81 is bizarre.

davyjose

Archimedes wrote: »

Oh relax it was meant as a joke. I think Peyton Manning is awesome and a joy to watch - I was even writing in my betting thread how much of a joke it is to have any team with Peyton Manning as QB as an underdog (as they are this weekend).

I just think Brady is better.

As your entitled to. Equally, you can't blame others for placing Manning ahead of Brady.

Nobody came on here laying into the (few) negative aspects of his career though, as happened Manning a few posts back!

themont85

I find it laughable that Eagleeye would lambast Manning for just the one SB ring and 'choking' in the playoffs (like Brady had never had a dissapointing playoff game) and then say Young deserves to be ahead of him. This is Young with one ring as a starter who played in an era where the 49ers hoovered up talent along with the Cowboys and had several notably dissapointing playoff games. Now I love Young, a more dynamic and heroic player you'll struggle to find but the sad thing is that unfortunately for him he bench warmed for too many years. He would be higher but thems the breaks.

Farve deserves top 20 at least.

Brady could easily rise up this list to top 5 or even greatest by careers end. He has only really started putting up incredible stats in the past 4 years, more are clearly on the way.

mikemac

D3PO wrote: »

and then of course you get the stupid QB bias where 20% of the "top 100" are QB's and not a single one of them listed is a safety :rolleyes::rolleyes:

You obviously missed Ed Reed

Here is his video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SETbGN8v8aM

frostie500

Just looking at the reams of QB(read that Manning and Brady!) talk I thought I'd wade in! These shows always create debate about why 'my' QB is ranked so lowly in terms of top 100 of all time players I think it's much better to judge QBs relative to one another and thus the list is:

1. Joe Montana
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Payton Manning
4. Sammy Baugh
5. Otto Graham
6. Brett Favre
7. Tom Brady
8. John Elway
9. Dan Marino
10. Sid Luckman
11. Roger Staubach
12. Terry Bradshaw
13. Bart Starr
14. Try Aikman
15. Steve Young
16. Norm Van Brocklin
17. Kurt Warner
18. Fran Tarkenton
19. Joe Namath

To be honest I can see why people have some reason to ask why Brady is ranked below Favre but to be honest I wouldn't view that there is too much between the players at the top of the list. The main reason that I would have Manning ahead of Brady in ranking QBs is that the Colts would be flat out terrible without Payton. The only reason that they are a respectable team is because of Manning and without him they would be a losing team. He came as a number 1 pick and the expectation of any top pick is that they will turn around the fortunes of a team that is clearly bad, how many actually turn their team around like Manning did with the Colts?

When Brady was out injured for a season there was not a dramatic down turn in fortunes for the Pats, they still won 11 games, if Manning was injured at the start of this season(or even their Superbowl winning season) how many games do you think they would win? I'd say 6 or 7, that is how crucial he is, and how great he is.

As I said I'm not looking to wade into a Manning & Brady debate but seeing as they are both playing they are the obvious subjects of debate. I think that any of the top nine QBs are fantastic and you could have almost any combination of them and not be wrong

themont85

Ray Lewis said it in his piece- 'you take him out of that team and they are a below average ball club'.

Manning has proved he can throw to anyone and put the stats up.

eagle eye

frostie500 wrote: »

When Brady was out injured for a season there was not a dramatic down turn in fortunes for the Pats, they still won 11 games,

We went from 16-0 to 11-5.

frostie500 wrote: »

if Manning was injured at the start of this season(or even their Superbowl winning season) how many games do you think they would win? I'd say 6 or 7, that is how crucial he is, and how great he is.

If they had Matt Cassel I don't think it would be anything like that. They have always had a real good offensive line and top notch receivers such as Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. They now have Collier and Garcon too along with Wayne, back a few years ago they had Stokley. Not forgetting Dallas Clark of course.

frostie500 wrote: »

As I said I'm not looking to wade into a Manning & Brady debate but seeing as they are both playing they are the obvious subjects of debate. I think that any of the top nine QBs are fantastic and you could have almost any combination of them and not be wrong

Its all about the postseason.

Manning is 9-9 in the postseason, Brady is 14-4 but this is not just about Brady. Sammy Baugh was just awesome in his day and deserves to be right at the top of that list along with Montana. I've no doubt in my mind that Montana is the greatest I've ever seen and then Steve Young after that.

If the game was just about the regular season I'd say Manning and Young are head to head with Peyton having a slight lead at this stage but its not just about that, its about the playoffs and getting it done and Manning has failed too many times. He has been to the big game twice now, he got the W the first time but it was the running backs that got it done in that game, Manning threw one touchdown and one interception. I remember that game so well, Joeseph Addai ended up the leading receiver in the game because Manning was not completing downfield so he was dumping if off to his running back. He threw the interception to seal the loss last year.

He just doesn't stand up when the heat is on. Sammy Baugh was in a different league to any other QB in his day. He was like a giant among men.
And Bart Starr is another one too, the guy has a 9-1 postseason record. He is Green Bay's best ever and miles ahead of Brett Favre.

Then there is Steve Young the man who put on the best QB display ever witnessed in a superbowl. A man who had to sit behind Joe Montana but still managed to have the highest passer rating for 6 seasons during his career and that was at a time when John Elway, Dan Marino and Jim Kelly were all at the top of their game. Those three are all greats but Young was better than them all.

themont85

Pierre Garcon dropped easy passes.
The Colts were too conservative when they stopped the Saints on 4th and goal and gifted them 3 easy points before half time.
The Colts special teams failed on the onside kick (Hank Basket a recovery)
They gave away too many penalties.
Manning threw a pick six
Reggie Wayne dropped an easy TD pass.
The Saints were just a bit more ballsy in play calling

The moral of the story? Teams lose SBs.

themont85

Garcon was a 6th round pick, Austin Collie a 4th rounder and Blair White went undrafted, hardly stellar offensive talent coming off the draft. I can't recall the guy who slotted in last week at tight end but he did didn't look out of place at all out there and caught numerous balls. It is a fallacy to just mention Harrison, Wayne and Clark as the reasons for his success.

IIRC the Colts had an horrendous run game last year, one of the worst in the Leagues.

We have seen what happens when Manning leaves games what happens to the Colts.

Matt Cassell has proven at the Chiefs to be a average player at best, in fact if it wasn't for the significant investment they made in him they would have benched him last year.

frostie500

eagle eye wrote: »

We went from 16-0 to 11-5.

The year before the 16-0 season the Pats won 12 games and the last season with Brady back in the lineup they won 10 so in all fairness winning 11 isnt too far off the mark for the franchise, do you think that with Brady fit and healthy they would have gone unbeaten again?

eagle eye wrote: »

Its all about the postseason.

How exactly is it "all about the postseason" when you have Steve Young as the second best QB you've seen? He made it to just the one Superbowl and lost three conference championship games. Manning has gone to two bowls and lost one Conference game. Its also fair to say that when Young became the starter the Niners were a much better team than Manning had in Indy for his first five years(yet he still made the playoffs in two seasons.)

Dohnny Jepp

eagle eye wrote: »

Its all about the postseason.

Manning is 9-9 in the postseason, Brady is 14-4 but this is not just about Brady.

I really hate when win - loss is used for a QB. It's not used for any other position.

Manning has a better Qb rating, Brady has more rings.
They both have half decent teams.

they are both very good.

Packers, Bears and Cowboys have the most representatives.

Surprised Don Hutson didn't rank in the fans polls, came 9th in the overall list.