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Panasonic TG4/TV3 Sound?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    They are defined in the PAT, not SDT PID

    Service ID 1103 - TV3
    ES PID 1203 MPEG audio - Language eng
    ES PID 1213 MPEG audio - Language nar

    as a comparison:

    Service ID 1101 - RTÉ One
    ES PID 1201 MPEG audio - Language eng
    ES PID 1211 MPEG audio - Language nar


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    It should be possible to run the dvb-t part in irish mode. Converting from G10B to G10L and reverting back to G10B without a reset could be a alternative.


  • Registered Users Posts: 41 G10B


    Is it a coincidence that audio problem occurs only on the channels that do not transmit digital text (TV3, TG4 & 3e) or could there be a correlation?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Only RTE 2 broadcasts MHEG5 text, RTE1 broadcasts 'basic' digital text


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,658 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Only RTE 2 broadcasts MHEG5 text, RTE1 broadcasts 'basic' digital text

    All RTÉ channels display MHEG-5 text with a compatible TV. RTÉ 1 (and TV3, TG4 & 3e) also carry traditional teletext for non-compatible MHEG-5 receivers. The Saorview spec gives priority to MHEG-5 over traditional text if available.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Some TV sets if setup is wrong or firmware is incompatible will show teletext on RTE1, TV3 and TG4 and MHEG5 on the other Channels.

    As "The Cush" says any TV compatible with spec will show MHEG5 on all channels.

    The LG xxLD450 and xxLE450 and some other compatible LG models have an extra option if Ireland is Country to make Teletext or MHEG5 the default. If MHEG5 is default and there is no MHEG5 at all on the Transmission (e.g. Analogue or France) it will show Teletext.

    On Digital the Teletext and MHEG5 are not actually "in" any of the channels. They are separate data streams on the same Multiplex or Transponder. So unlike Analogue, you could design a GUI that had Teletext from any channel in the Multiplex in one half of screen and ANY channel in a window that is also in the Multiplex.

    A single MHEG5 stream is used for all Channels at present. TV3 and TG4 could add their own applications.


  • Registered Users Posts: 41 G10B


    just to clarify,
    The on screen banner on g10 shows "txt" on RTE1, RTE2 & RTE News now. TV3, TG4 & 3e don't display "txt". It may be coincidence that the channels without "txt" have audio issues. Before TG4 started having this audio issue was it flagged/transmitting text differently?

    PS.
    If user selects a programme from epg for timer (even from TV3, TG4 or 3e) when the tv switches to the timed programme the audio works fine.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    G10B wrote: »
    If user selects a programme from epg for timer (even from TV3, TG4 or 3e) when the tv switches to the timed programme the audio works fine.
    Looks like a Panasonic firmware bug...and Panasonic are not known for fixing their bugs with any urgency. The B models are not 'supposed' to be used in Ireland which means they are highly unlikely to give a damn about this bug :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭championc


    Hmmm, interesting this. As it turned out, I tried pushing my TXT button last night on TV3 and got nothing at all - on my brilliant Panny G20B !! So looks like the G20B might finally have a chink in it's armour. MHEG-5 TXT works fine for RTE. Must try TXT on the Analog channels tonight and see is the TV just expecting MHEG5 Text or nothing on the DVB-T channels.

    I hardly ever use TXT anyway so no loss. And the G20B has no sound issues at all.


    C


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Well, it doesnt have a chink in its armour you will be happy to know champion.

    MHEG5 data is only broadcast on RTE1, RTE 2 and RTE News Now at the moment.

    From the PAT you will notice an entry like this under each stations video and audio and teletext PIDs (except for TV3 and TG4 and 3e). This is the MHEG5 data.

    <ES PID="1001" Name="Data">
    <StreamType HValue="0x0B" Name="ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B"/>
    <Descriptor HValue="0x52" Name="Stream Identifier">
    <ComponentTag Value="11"/>
    </Descriptor>
    <Descriptor HValue="0x13" Name="Carousel Identifier">
    <CarouselID HValue="0x00000001"/>
    <FormatID HValue="0x00"/>
    <FormatSpecifier HValue="0x66"/>
    </Descriptor>
    <Descriptor HValue="0x66" Name="Data Broadcast ID">
    <DataBroadcastID HValue="0x0106"/>
    <SelectorLength Value="4"/>
    <Selector Dump="01 01 00 00"/>
    </Descriptor>
    </ES>


    The audio issue being caused by a lack of MHEG5 data not being broadcast in the stream would seem a little far fetched at first but I get were you are coming from regarding coincidences, Mr new poster guy.

    Infact I note from RTEs published spec that the whole audio description area is controlled by the "blue button" preferably. Does this work ? The blue button.


    RTE spec
    Audio description may be carried as a separate broadcast pre-mixed audio track; described,signalled and selected as Narrative or ‘nar’ in ISO 639 language code with audio type 0x00 (as“undefined” or “normal”).

    The IRD shall support simple rotation of language source via a single button press (preferably blue)and as indicated via an on-screen navigational aid; this functionality shall not be dependent uponother language settings and functions such as subtitle on or off.

    The onscreen display (OSD) should clearly indicate the audio language(s) available to the vieweron the channel selected via the (blue) button and the selection process available to the viewershould be via the appropriate navigation arrows.

    The ability to set the Audio Described language descriptor or code should be available via the STBconfiguration menu; the viewer should be able to set the preferred language as e.g. Narrative or‘nar’ as a default; thus ensuring that when changing channel the receiver will automatically selectthe viewer preference (as aforementioned in this case narrative, if broadcast) upon every changeof television channel.
    Support for simultaneous decoding of the normal (mono/stereo/multi channel) audio track and thevisual impaired audio track is an optional feature of this specification. Note the IRD shall be able toautomatically select the main audio stream (via PID or descriptor) when receiving additional visualimpaired audio with same language (main “normal” audio track signalled via ISO 639 languagedescriptor with audio type 0x00 “undefined” or “normal”; while the visually impaired audio trackmay be signalled with audio type 0x02 hearing_impaired or 0x03 visual_impaired_commentary).

    The spoken subtitle or visual impaired audio description track will in case of MPEG1 Layer II andHEAAC audio format be as a separate (mono) audio stream (PID) and in case of AC 3 or EnhancedAC3 format may be as an extra audio channel within the audio stream (PID).The IRD should support simultaneous decoding of the normal (mono/stereo/multi channel) audiotrack and the spoken subtitle visually impaired audio track. For the IRD supporting this, it shall bepossible to control (select) this visually impaired audio and when activated the audio track (normalor visual impaired) shall be presented to the IRD’s outgoing audio (HDMI, SCART or Phono).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭championc


    But is TV3 broadcasting "traditional" Teletext on it's DVB-T channel ? If so, I'm getting nothing on this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    championc wrote: »
    But is TV3 broadcasting "traditional" Teletext on it's DVB-T channel ? If so, I'm getting nothing on this.

    MHEG5 get precedence. I dont think there is a facility to turn off MHEG5 in the software in favour of VBI.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,658 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    championc wrote: »
    But is TV3 broadcasting "traditional" Teletext on it's DVB-T channel ? If so, I'm getting nothing on this.

    Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    On LG 42LD450
    there is a MHEG/Teletext "Data" option under "options" in main menu. Allegedly this setting only exists for Ireland.
    You need to exit TV tuner source to a cabled input and back for changes to be reliable (i.e. it Caches stuff).
      set | "Teletext"  MHEG5
    ============================  
    RTE1  | Teletext   MHEG5
    RTE2  | Nothing    MHEG5
    TV3   | Teletext   Teletext
    TG4   | Teletext   Teletext
    News  | MHEG5      MHEG5
    

    This behaviour is close to what the manual explains.

    Since TV3 and TG4 don't have MHEG5 pages, what it does in "MHEG5" mode makes sense.

    The Difference between RTE2 and RTE News now is interesting. Maybe because subtitles are running on RTE2 and Teletext is used to display them even though they are DVB subtitles

    RTE2 offers OFF and ENG for subtitles (though on current program there are none, just an 888 in corner if ENG selected)
    News offers NA for Subtitle Menu

    So all makes sense to me!


  • Registered Users Posts: 41 G10B


    Blue button does nothing....

    anyone remember if TG4 ever had mheg5 text? I can't remember when audio in TG4 stopped working but it was before TV3 got added.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I bought an LGxxLD490 which is Freeview HD. It has no country choice, and if setup direct from the box, channels go to the 800s. If a selection is unticked, it puts them in the right order for TV and Radios are a seperate choice. In fact if you press '1' you get the choice of: RTE 1 DTV; RTE 1 ATV; and RTE Radio 1.

    RTE 2 displays MHEG 5 teletext, but all the other channels display Aertel text, inc RTE 1.

    It works fine, but is not really fully Saorview compatible. Hope there are no new surprises with this particular model.

    I think there needs to be a rethink regarding Freeview HD. It is not necessarily compatible with Saorview, as it is UK D book compatible, and not tested against Nordig 2.2 (HD Mandatory) standards. The Nordig is a complete standard, while the D book only defines the factors that apply to UK broadcasts. It does not define LCN treatments, particularly when HD/SD simulcasts exist, nor does it define Teletext vs MHEG 5 teletext applictaion hierachy rules. Both of these are covered in Nordig.

    There are probably more rules not implemented fully. We know about Panasonic. We have heard about Philips. Now here is a TV from LG that is not fully compatible.

    Because RTE NL are not broadcasting all possible flavours, it is impossible to fully test a product using broadcast signals. Perhaps we should restrict our choices to just Walker TVs and STBs for the time being.:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty



    I think there needs to be a rethink regarding Freeview HD. It is not necessarily compatible with Saorview, as it is UK D book compatible, and not tested against Nordig 2.2 (HD Mandatory) standards. The Nordig is a complete standard, while the D book only defines the factors that apply to UK broadcasts. It does not define LCN treatments, particularly when HD/SD simulcasts exist, nor does it define Teletext vs MHEG 5 teletext applictaion hierachy rules. Both of these are covered in Nordig.

    Sam Russell, how do you know what the D-Book says? It's secret.

    Maybe compliance is not well tested?

    We nearly bought a LG 42LD490 as it was same price as LG 42. But my son who was buying wanted it immediately and the 42LD490 was online only for us. The xxLD450 definately has UK Freeview (not "Freeview HD" as it no DVB-T2 tuner) and definately has Irish Specific tweaks in Firmware when you select Ireland. It "seems" to be fully compatible.

    No option Menu in 42LD490?
    Also almost all the LGs have a service menu and abiltity for "extras" to be turned on (such as USB hub support, USB Video playback etc).


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    watty wrote: »
    Sam Russell, how do you know what the D-Book says? It's secret.

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/10144/139669.pdf

    The LG 42LD490 is certified as Freeview HD, so complies with UK D book. It is not complying with Saorview/Nordig spec on LCN or MHEG 5 teletext priority. I have not checked everything.

    I suspect that this is early days for this model, and was launched as a UK only model, as the UK is the only place currently using DVB-T2.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭championc


    I checked my Panny G20B last night which is obviously DVB-T2 Freeview HD set but display MHEG5 Text or else Nothing on the DVB Saorview Channels. The Analog Channels will show the old style Teletext.

    It's the only glitch I've managed to find in the G20B though.


    C


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty




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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    watty wrote: »
    That is NOT the D-Book

    I know, but the D book is secret.:)

    It is as good as you can get, without the real thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭rai555


    Stinicker wrote: »
    Following on from a very informative PM from damien (Thanks btw! :)) I took the plunge and did this to my TV and it works perfectly!! And I have got the 7 Saorview channels back, my Freesat is as normal and despite RTENL broadcasting that flag I am now able to tune in any future channels they may launch.

    It is a tedious operation and not for the technically illiterate but if you follow the Hex edit instructions and the steps in my guide then you will be able to get the channels back. The same problem still exists with the Sound Audio option on TV3, 3e & TG4 and pressing "I" will still not give you the information banner except on RTE News Now, EPG Data is there just no programme info, but this problem was there before RTE ever changed the broadcast flag and when the TV was in GW10 mode all EPG info was lost.

    Do this at your own risk and I nor boards.ie accept no responsibility for bricked TV sets or voided TV warranties.

    Print out the instructions and read them before doing it to make sure you know what you're doing. This workaround only works for Panasonic G10B models (screen size is irrelevant) and will not work with any other models that I know of.

    I tried to revert my G10B to GW10, tuned and saved all DTT chanels to sd card, at the end could not copy my files from the card, got the message : error ID is different
    anybody got this message ?:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭rai555


    rai555 wrote: »
    I tried to revert my G10B to GW10, tuned and saved all DTT chanels to sd card, at the end could not copy my files from the card, got the message : error ID is different
    anybody got this message ?:mad:

    the screen :

    2011-02-06 21.30.JPG


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    What are you trying to do ?

    Did you do the following ?

    You changed to G10w changing the hex values.

    You then tuned in the stations.

    You reverted to G10b changing the hex values again. Your stations tuned in whilst in g10w mode are kept.

    You then tried to backup the saved scanned files to Hotel card ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭rai555


    STB wrote: »
    What are you trying to do ?

    Did you do the following ?

    You changed to G10w changing the hex values.

    You then tuned in the stations.

    You reverted to G10b changing the hex values again. Your stations tuned in whilst in g10w mode are kept.

    You then tried to backup the saved scanned files to Hotel card ?

    yes, i changed hex to gw10 , while in gw10 mode tuned nicely dtt chanels and copied them to sd card, reverted back to g10b using hex editor, got my freesat chanels again and finaly could not copy .pwd files from sd card


    i did not searched for freesat chanels in gw10 mode, irish dtt only


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    rai555 wrote: »
    yes, i changed hex to gw10 , while in gw10 mode tuned nicely dtt chanels and copied them to sd card, reverted back to g10b using hex editor, got my freesat chanels again and finaly could not copy .pwd files from sd card

    i did not searched for freesat chanels in gw10 mode, irish dtt only

    You cant search for freesat channels in g10w mode anyway as freesat doesnt exist on that model!

    You havent done it in the order of my post.

    Tune in stations in g10w mode.

    You only backup to hotel SD card when you have reverted back to G10b mode!!!

    Thats why it is stopping you, thank god. Your TV could have been bricked.

    Why were you saving it in g10w mode to SD card and then reloading it when in g10b mode ?????

    You dont have to do that. Once you tune in g10w mode it keeps your scanned DTT stations when you revert to g10b mode. Only then do a backup to the SD card for future use.

    Wipe that card now. And backup to it. Is the TV in g10b mode now and are the DTT stations showing ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭rai555


    STB wrote: »
    You cant search for freesat channels in g10w mode anyway as freesat doesnt exist on that model!

    You havent done it in the order of my post.

    Tune in stations in g10w mode.

    You only backup to hotel SD card when you have reverted back to G10b mode!!!

    Thats why it is stopping you, thank god. Your TV could have been bricked.

    Why were you saving it in g10w mode to SD card and then reloading it when in g10b mode ?????

    You dont have to do that. Once you tune in g10w mode it keeps your scanned DTT stations when you revert to g10b mode. Only then do a backup to the SD card for future use.

    Wipe that card now. And backup to it. Is the TV in g10b mode now and are the DTT stations showing ?

    i thought tv might be bricked if hex editing would go wrong, thank you for help, will try again all steps


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    If you are back in g10b mode now and dtt stations are showing, then all you have to do is backup to that SD card. Wipe the SD card on a PC and use the hotel copying from TV settings to SD card function only.

    And the reason you are backing up to that card is so that you dont have to go through the g10w/g10b hex edit again, you simply load those settings from the SD card in the event that the stations disappear in the future. There is no other reason for using the SD card otherwise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭rai555


    Got it working, no sound on few Irish channels, thank you STB


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    rai555 wrote: »
    Got it working, no sound on few Irish channels, thank you STB

    Okay I just didnt want to see you kill your TV. Is the Freesat tuner also working ? This will confirm that you are back in g10b mode.

    The sound problem is caused by an option in one of the menus called audio description - make sure it set to off by default.

    That should sort it for them all.

    There is also a manual option which would be painful if you had to do it all the time on the opt button on the remote which is to change it from nar to eng.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭rai555


    STB wrote: »
    Okay I just didnt want to see you kill your TV. Is the Freesat tuner also working ? This will confirm that you are back in g10b mode.

    The sound problem is caused by an option in one of the menus called audio description - make sure it set to off by default.

    That should sort it for them all.

    There is also a manual option which would be painful if you had to do it all the time on the opt button on the remote which is to change it from nar to eng.

    the audio description was off by default,
    here's no manual option on my tv
    and no sound on tv3, tg4 and 3e :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    rai555 wrote: »
    the audio description was off by default,
    here's no manual option on my tv
    and no sound on tv3, tg4 and 3e :(

    The option button to the left of the ok button (and directly above text button). Change from Nar to Eng. Unfortunately you will have to do that everytime you tune to one of those stations.

    remote.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭rai555


    nice to know, thank you again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭rai555


    just confirmed that hotel file update is idiot-proof in panasonic ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭BionicRasher


    @ STB
    I have been trawling through boards.ie and avforums and digitalspy etc to see if I can get any joy with my newly purchased TX-L42D25L (got it 4 days ago). I am more than happy with the great picture etc but I am a bit peeved that I can’t get 7 day EPG on Freesat and MHEG5 and interactive teletext etc. I haven't tried Saorview yet as I dont have an aerial at the moment but I am going to try a rabbits ears tonight.
    I see you have posted a lot in this realm
    STB wrote: »
    Well if it is an Irish model can we have the mandatory MHEG5 please. The cost of MHEG5 is €4 per TV probably. They can easily take that out of the extra €300.

    What makes it an Irish model ? Ask Panasonic that !

    Infact I will do a letter up for you, because I am a little more than cheesed off with what people are putting up with, especially with the D25s which are in the same boat. MPEg4 yes MHEg5 no, MHP is free with it though even though its an Irish model in 2010.

    And I dont have a Panasonic!

    Did you ever get that letter drafted or do you know of a fix for the D25 or how I should approach either Panasonic or my retailer to get this sorted? Any info greatly appreciated. Am I within my rights to return the TV if it’s not suitable for Irish market? Its playing on my mind so much now that I fear I will grow to dislike the TV in a few weeks


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Bring it back to the shop , Panasonic will never get text/mheg working on these 2010 models and don't even answer emails on the subject according to a neighbour of mine who is bringing his back this week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭championc


    Or else just get yourself a UK model.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭BionicRasher


    championc wrote: »
    Or else just get yourself a UK model.

    Few quick questions on the UK model you have if you dont mind
    1. Is it fully working with Saorview i.e. are you getting RTE 2 in HD etc
    2. Do you get 7 day EPG on Freesat listing?
    3. Do you get BBC/ITV Interactive text
    4. Do you get RTE Interactive text and 7 day EPG?
    5. Is it resonable to think that a retailer should be charging more than €300 extra for the UK version compared to the Irish version even though I believe its only firmware that is the real difference in these TVs


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭championc


    Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, No

    Firstly, you need to stick to FreeviewHD equipped sets (NOT Freeview) and it is my belief that everything works OK. I believe that NI are separate from the UK so UK deals don't work for NI. Late last year, they were doing a deal for the G20B for about £550 - £600 which included a 5 year warranty but they had to be bought In Store in the UK. You could have got a Ryanair €10 e/w to any UK city and bought one and get it shipped back (for about £50). For anyone considering this for the future, just negotiate your carriage costs first.

    And if any retailler has any stocks left of the G20B, I'd nab one if I was you since it has the onboard FreesatHD satellite tuner in addition to the FreeviewHD tuner. I believe the G30B only has the FreeviewHD tuner onboard.

    Try http://www.watterselectrical.co.uk/ in Armagh, not far from Dundalk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭BionicRasher


    My TX-L42D25L has Freesat HD and Freeview HD but the only thing missing is MHEG5 which I believe is just a firmware patch and it would then be identical to yours in allowing it to get the interactive text etc.

    I wish Pana would sort it but I dont think they will to be honest

    Will keep trying and see what happens


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Make sure that you can presource a "HOTEL" file on boards for your particular local transmitter before you buy the G20B. This should not be a problem if the telly is to be used in Dublin for example but on the Belmullet Transmitter you could be waiting a while for any support ...leaving you with an expensive but elegant brick :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 41 G10B


    Audio on 3e working without needing to change from nar to eng at moment. The options now are eng or eng but g10b defaults to the non silent eng audio stream. I doubt this is a permanent modification but would be nice for g10b owners if it was & if TV3 & TG4 could make similar modification.


  • Registered Users Posts: 41 G10B


    3e back to eng/nar. Sound working was nice while it lasted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 djah


    Can anyone help me get my saorview channels back in my tx-l37v10b.I am living in Cork and have a number of transmitters that I can receive from,Spur Hill or Mullaghanish.
    Thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭daithi7


    damienirel wrote: »
    Back up your current tuning to an SD card just incase.

    To do this:

    1. Format an SD card on a PC.

    Insert SD card into PC. Right-click on SD card in MyComputer, then select FORMAT and press OK.

    2. Set up hotel.pwd file on SD card.

    Open MyComputer and double click on SD card (Removeable Disk). Go to Tools, Folder Options and select the VIEW tab. Then unclick the "Hide extensions for known file types" option and apply the change. Right click and select New and Text Document to create an empty text file. Name it "hotel.pwd" ( Note that there is no .txt file extension added because of option selected above). Remove SD card.

    3. Copy all channels from TV1 to SD card.

    Turn on TV. Insert SD card. The process starts automatically. Enter the code 4850 when requested. The copy is made to the SD card. Remove the SD card.

    4. Copy channels from SD card to TV2.

    Turn on TV. Insert SD card. The process starts automatically. Enter the code 4851 when requested. The copy is made to the TV.
    Turn off the TV and then turn it on again. The channels are copied! There's no EPG info for the TV channels.

    Thanks DamienIrl- you're a gem!!

    I've two Panasonic TX-37LZD81s, one that I let rescan after they changed the Saorview trial tx bit so that this TV lost all its channels. I left the other on the original channel settings.

    I've just done the hotel.pwd copy between the two. It worked a treat, so now I have fully saorview and epg etc on both sets. So really my only limit is being able to scan or rescan for new or additional channels. I think I may be missing out on 1 additional channel added since the initial saorview release.

    The only slight issue is that I have to reset audio on some of the channels manually each time using the option button when i flick to them as for some odd reason it defaults to audio type 'nar', instead of english!?

    I'd greatly appreciate if anyone with info on a way of setting permanent or semi permanent preselected settings for this audio on this option I'd greatly appreciate it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭daithi7


    daithi7 wrote: »
    Thanks DamienIrl- you're a gem!!

    I've two Panasonic TX-37LZD81s, one that I let rescan after they changed the Saorview trial tx bit so that this TV lost all its channels. I left the other on the original channel settings.

    I've just done the hotel.pwd copy between the two. It worked a treat, so now I have fully saorview and epg etc on both sets. So really my only limit is being able to scan or rescan for new or additional channels. I think I may be missing out on 1 additional channel added since the initial saorview release.

    The only slight issue is that I have to reset audio on some of the channels manually each time using the option button when i flick to them as for some odd reason it defaults to audio type 'nar', instead of english!?

    I'd greatly appreciate if anyone with info on a way of setting permanent or semi permanent preselected settings for this audio on this option I'd greatly appreciate it.

    HI Folks,

    As a follow up to this, I'm looking at g getting another screen. This time I want to get a screen that is saorview & free Sat compatible, i.e. with both tuners built in & full codec s & epgs etc compatible. It would be great if I could purchase a Panasonic screen that would create the a tuning settings file (i.e. the hotel.pwd file) as the two Panasonic TX-37LZD81s that I already have, so that I could transfer any settings for any new saorview rescans from the new set to the Tx-37LZD81s, to keep them all up to date with latest available channels, etc.

    Anyone know if one of the current Panasonic sets can write a hotel.pwd file that's readable & useable by the old LZD81s??

    Thanks for any advice on same.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭daithi7


    daithi7 wrote: »
    HI Folks,

    As a follow up to this, I'm looking at g getting another screen. This time I want to get a screen that is saorview & free Sat compatible, i.e. with both tuners built in & full codec s & epgs etc compatible. It would be great if I could purchase a Panasonic screen that would create the a tuning settings file (i.e. the hotel.pwd file) as the two Panasonic TX-37LZD81s that I already have, so that I could transfer any settings for any new saorview rescans from the new set to the Tx-37LZD81s, to keep them all up to date with latest available channels, etc.

    Anyone know if one of the current Panasonic sets can write a hotel.pwd file that's readable & useable by the old LZD81s??

    Thanks for any advice on same.

    I contacted Panasonic re this and their response stated that none of the saorview approved sets would create a tuning settings file ( i.e. hotel.pwd file), that would be readable by the older LZD81s. Unfortunately!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    daithi7 wrote: »
    I contacted Panasonic re this and their response stated that none of the saorview approved sets would create a tuning settings file ( i.e. hotel.pwd file), that would be readable by the older LZD81s. Unfortunately!!

    Ask wolfgang from setedit to have a look at it for you.

    You will need to mail him the existing files.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6 Niall8100




    Bit of a long shot but does anyone still have the instructions document for the hex edit change Stincker talks about in post #107?



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