Government to hold SW bye-election this month

Carrickman

So it's now a chance for the people of the South West to stand up for the area and think about who they are voting for this is a chance to get new blood in to fight our corner not the same old faces or "big name" candidates.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1103/byeelection.html

Vinegar Hill

Carrickman wrote: »

So it's now a chance for the people of the South West to stand up for the area and think about who they are voting for this is a chance to get new blood in to fight our corner not the same old faces or "big name" candidates.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1103/byeelection.html

Good on Doherty winning his HC case. Everyone thought it would not go anywhere. The government is going to allow DSW and DSW only to have a bye-election at this time. That will leave 3 others outstanding. They are now protecting the slim majority they have in the Dáil.

There has been talk of the government parachuting Pat the Cope in for an election but personally IMO he abandoned the county and was only looking out for himself and the FF government.

Doherty and SF have stood up for the basic Constitutional rights of the people in DSW and he will get my number 1.

Backard_Pell

The reason (and we all know) that the by election is only being allowed run in Donegal South West, is because it is the only constituency that FF have HALF a chance of winning.... and the reason that FF are appealing the judgemnet is that the High Court wont be able to allow the by election run in the other 3 constituencies around the country.By doing this they are showing COMPLETE and utter CONTEMPT to the electorate.They know that there might be just enough of a pool of voters (friends and family) in DSW to ram through a win in the by election just in time for the budget.... and there folks lies the crunch.... because if FF lose DSW, the budget is scrapped

buckfasterer

Vinegar Hill wrote: »

Good on Doherty winning his HC case. Everyone thought it would not go anywhere. The government is going to allow DSW and DSW only to have a bye-election at this time. That will leave 3 others outstanding. They are now protecting the slim majority they have in the Dáil.

There has been talk of the government parachuting Pat the Cope in for an election but personally IMO he abandoned the county and was only looking out for himself and the FF government.

Doherty and SF have stood up for the basic Constitutional rights of the people in DSW and he will get my number 1.

100% agree. Let this be the beginning of the end....

irish1967

And lest we forget.... No government has won a by-election since 1982.

Source: RTE six-one news 3-11-10

kippy

Its a farce.
Its obvious that the other two bye elections not being held infringes on the same rights that were judged on today yet the government can get away without holding them.
Disgraceful.

I'm not one who supports SF but fair play to them in this instance. They also said they would start court cases on the other 2 bye elections if required.

ednwireland

Backard_Pell wrote: »

The reason (and we all know) that the by election is only being allowed run in Donegal South West, is because it is the only constituency that FF have HALF a chance of winning.... and the reason that FF are appealing the judgemnet is that the High Court wont be able to allow the by election run in the other 3 constituencies around the country.By doing this they are showing COMPLETE and utter CONTEMPT to the electorate.They know that there might be just enough of a pool of voters (friends and family) in DSW to ram through a win in the by election just in time for the budget.... and there folks lies the crunch.... because if FF lose DSW, the budget is scrapped

just reading that if the gov.appeal this that stops SF taking another HC case to precipitate the othe by-elections now i cant see how as this case was taken by pearse doherty as an individual and a constituent so i cant see how the other 2 delayed by-elections can be held up but does going to the supreme court put a hold on the principal of unreasonable delay.

goes to lie down

ohyes and its a farce the gov should have held the DSW one after the european elections they may have even held it !
its a blatent unconstitutional holding onto power by a loophole

Backard_Pell

apologies.... got carried away! post edited

muffler

Related issues no doubt which nay be debated in the Politics forum but for now can we just stick to the topic of the by-election please and how it will impact on Donegal South West and indeed the county (not the country) overall.

irish1967

Oh dear God !!
http://oceanfm.ie/news/2010/11/04/bog-hotel-proprietor-confirms-exclusively-to-ocean-fm-he-will-contest-by-election/

Carrickman

irish1967 wrote: »

Oh dear God !!
http://oceanfm.ie/news/2010/11/04/bog-hotel-proprietor-confirms-exclusively-to-ocean-fm-he-will-contest-by-election/

Imagine our very own Jackie Healy Rae in the hills of Donegal!!

sligopark

Carrickman wrote: »

Imagine our very own Jackie Healy Rae in the hills of Donegal!!

I wouldn't be so quick to impune Jackie Healey Rae

ednwireland

To date the candidates to contest the Donegal South West by-election are Fine Gael Barry O’Neill
Senator Pearse Doherty Sinn Fein
Frank McBrearty Jnr is the Labour party
Thomas Pringle Independant
Senator Brian ODomhnaill Fianna fail
Tom Conaghan Independent
Patsy Brogan Independant

will all the independants steal doherty's vote (esp pringle) and a ff split esp round donegal town with conaghan run (basically a FF'er from what i hear)

Carrickman

sligopark wrote: »

I wouldn't be so quick to impune Jackie Healey Rae

I wasn't I mean he would be a character like him, just a Donegal version!

North_West_Art

ednwireland wrote: »

To date the candidates to contest the Donegal South West by-election are Fine Gael Barry O’Neill
Senator Pearse Doherty Sinn Fein
Frank McBrearty Jnr is the Labour party
Thomas Pringle Independant
Senator Brian ODomhnaill Fianna fail
Tom Conaghan Independent
Patsy Brogan Independant

will all the independants steal doherty's vote (esp pringle) and a ff split esp round donegal town with conaghan run (basically a FF'er from what i hear)

That is exactly waht happened during the last local elections. There should be 3/4 candidates running, full stop..... the same happened in Letterkenny. But the public dont see this. Friends and family will vote for their own.

Glenman

Who is running for Fianna Fail?

blue shimmering

Glenman wrote: »

Who is running for Fianna Fail?

Won't know until Sunday I think but who cares? I think its terrible that they are having the election on a Thursday - doing a lot of students out of their vote! They must be afraid after the big demonstration in Dublin :-(

josey_whale

blue shimmering wrote: »

I think its terrible that they are having the election on a Thursday - doing a lot of students out of their vote! They must be afraid after the big demonstration in Dublin :-(

It's time for the students to vote... too much apathy as far as I am concerned. I am in Galway and will be travelling to Gweedore to make sure my vote is counted.

sligopark

blue shimmering wrote: »

Won't know until Sunday I think but who cares?

who really would have the neck to do so given what theyhave done for the country never mind Donegal SW?

Carrickman wrote: »

I wasn't I mean he would be a character like him, just a Donegal version!

the chap from the nbog hotel is a shameful character through and through - at least JHR has a better character about him from the past

josey_whale wrote: »

It's time for the students to vote... too much apathy as far as I am concerned. I am in Galway and will be travelling to Gweedore to make sure my vote is counted.

Good man (or woman)

Tech3

Backard_Pell wrote: »

The reason (and we all know) that the by election is only being allowed run in Donegal South West, is because it is the only constituency that FF have HALF a chance of winning.... and the reason that FF are appealing the judgemnet is that the High Court wont be able to allow the by election run in the other 3 constituencies around the country.By doing this they are showing COMPLETE and utter CONTEMPT to the electorate.They know that there might be just enough of a pool of voters (friends and family) in DSW to ram through a win in the by election just in time for the budget.... and there folks lies the crunch.... because if FF lose DSW, the budget is scrapped

+1

This government will try everything it can do to stay in power.

These pool of voters should look at the bigger picture and bring this government to it's deathknell. What has the government done for DSW? Lack of jobs, No rail infrastructure, an airport with poor access, road infrastructure poor in most areas, little investment compared to other areas in the country. The time has come to vote for the future of the whole nation and get rid of this joke of a coalition that is wreaking havoc to the economy and the people of this country.

Essexboy

Glenman wrote: »

Who is running for Fianna Fail?

Brian Ó Domhnaill

Anyone know what he does for a crust? The media call him "a former teacher" - does this mean that he is a fulltime politician?

muffler

Yes, he's a senator.

ednwireland

from here http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/1108/1224282866110.html

SENATOR BRIAN Ó Domhnaill was selected unopposed as the Fianna Fáil candidate for the Donegal South West byelection in Glenties last night.

Tánaiste and Minister for Education Mary Coughlan, who is a TD for the constituency, claimed no benefit would come to the constituency by “electing a TD to sit on the Opposition benches for the duration of this Dáil”. Minister for Social Protection Éamon Ó Cuív chaired the convention.

love the mary coughlan quote like we've had anything from her time in gov. appealing to gombeenism at its worst vote for us and you may get a few scraps

how does that woman hold onto her seat ?

Essexboy

TV3 promises to have all candidates in the studio for the Vincent Browne Show tonight.

Carrickman

ednwireland wrote: »

how does that woman hold onto her seat ?

I could answer that now for you but at the risk of being run out of the country I better not....

Backard_Pell

give us a clue then.....!

Carrickman

Essexboy wrote: »

TV3 promises to have all candidates in the studio for the Vincent Browne Show tonight.

Anyone watch this? Thought McBrearty came across very badly with his comments and constant interrupting, Ó Domhnaill came across as a typical FF'er more or less saying how great he is (I think I should get the parachute because I'm great. In fact, I think I should get both the parachutes, in case one of them doesn't work!) and if you don't vote for me you will get nothing and his constant hand gesturing was annoying

O'Neill was left kind of stuck by some sticky questions so it was not his best performance and Doherty in fairness seemed to came across the best of them (I am not a shiner by the way it's just the way I seen it) thank feck Brogan was not on it:o

I would say not too many Donegal people watched it as I only watched it because of the tip off here, so maby the next TV debate they might be more prepared!!

This is just my opinion just wonder what the rest of you who watched it though of it.

muffler

Missed it myself. Dont know if that was fortunate or not

GoldenGreen

caught it myself too agree with your view of it carrickman, gee it was cringworthy at times.

trust me muffler you were fortunate.

bigwormbundoran

McBrearty was a shambles altogether if anyone who seen this votes for him they should have their head examined.

O'Neill seemed stuck for words with whatever was asked of him, I think it could be due to him being relatively new to this more grand of a scale, side of politics

O'Domhnaill, seemed to borderline on desperation for a lot of it with his defence of FF

Doherty then came across best by quite a margin but would have plenty of experience compared to the others at this level which couldve helped his case substantially





Anyone who missed it can watch it here on tv3s catch up service
http://www.tv3.ie/shows.php?request=tonightwithvincentbrowne

blue shimmering

Carrickman wrote: »

Anyone watch this? Thought McBrearty came across very badly with his comments and constant interrupting, Ó Domhnaill came across as a typical FF'er more or less saying how great he is (I think I should get the parachute because I'm great. In fact, I think I should get both the parachutes, in case one of them doesn't work!) and if you don't vote for me you will get nothing and his constant hand gesturing was annoying

O'Neill was left kind of stuck by some sticky questions so it was not his best performance and Doherty in fairness seemed to came across the best of them (I am not a shiner by the way it's just the way I seen it) thank feck Brogan was not on it:o

I would say not too many Donegal people watched it as I only watched it because of the tip off here, so maby the next TV debate they might be more prepared!!

This is just my opinion just wonder what the rest of you who watched it though of it.

I thought more or less the same, Ó Domhnaill was pointing his finger at the camera, Vincent Brown and so on - it was more or less threatening us! Do what I say or else - who is he trying to kid, the sooner they are out of government the better! Pearce Doherty did well to take it to court and give us the chance to put them out! Mc Brearty is a nice man but came across badly - I do admire him for standing up when he was falsely accused of murder, it took a lot of courage and I think he would work very hard!

blue shimmering

Backard_Pell wrote: »

give us a clue then.....!

How does she hold on to her seat?.......THE PENSIONERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats why she is afraid to cut them - she also made sure that students can't vote by having elections during the week on more than one occasion! Everyone, old or young should use their vote and let them know what we think!

blue shimmering

bigwormbundoran wrote: »

McBrearty was a shambles altogether if anyone who seen this votes for him they should have their head examined.

O'Neill seemed stuck for words with whatever was asked of him, I think it could be due to him being relatively new to this more grand of a scale, side of politics

O'Domhnaill, seemed to borderline on desperation for a lot of it with his defence of FF

Doherty then came across best by quite a margin but would have plenty of experience compared to the others at this level which couldve helped his case substantially





Anyone who missed it can watch it here on tv3s catch up service
http://www.tv3.ie/shows.php?request=tonightwithvincentbrowne

I agree but do think that Mc Brearty has to be admired for his stance when he was falsely accused of murder and do think he would stand up in the Dail and be counted more so than any of the rest - he must be a very strong character that didn't really come across last night! Barry O'Neill should be well used to working behind a camera, he does some work for RTE I think - a lot of it was probably due to nerves too for all of them!

muffler

bigwormbundoran wrote: »

Anyone who missed it can watch it here on tv3s catch up service
http://www.tv3.ie/shows.php?request=tonightwithvincentbrowne

Damn thing wont play for me. The ad intro does but then again what do you expect.

bigwormbundoran

blue shimmering wrote: »

I agree but do think that Mc Brearty has to be admired for his stance when he was falsely accused of murder and do think he would stand up in the Dail and be counted more so than any of the rest - he must be a very strong character that didn't really come across last night! Barry O'Neill should be well used to working behind a camera, he does some work for RTE I think - a lot of it was probably due to nerves too for all of them!

Well if i was falsely accused of murder i couldnt see myself taking it lying down either to be fair. €2.5m or whatever it was wouldnt be long easing the woes of it either.

Coming in front of a wind up merchant (a good one though ) like Vincent Browne would be enough to rattle anyones cages first time round

scientific1982

Essexboy wrote: »

Brian Ó Domhnaill

Anyone know what he does for a crust? The media call him "a former teacher" - does this mean that he is a fulltime politician?

I know the man personally and hes actually a gentleman. He has a lot of integrity but I cant vote for him considering the party hes attached to. Its a shame because if he ran as an independant he'd get my first.

scientific1982

ednwireland wrote: »

from here http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/1108/1224282866110.html



love the mary coughlan quote like we've had anything from her time in gov. appealing to gombeenism at its worst vote for us and you may get a few scraps

how does that woman hold onto her seat ?

I actually hate that woman.

Firblog

Watched most of the debate last night too, would pretty much go along with the general consensus here that Doherty had the best of it, probably followed by FF, FG, and Lab candidates in that order..

Believe that Pringle may be on another night soon, he was asked @ 6.30pm last night to appear, but couldn't get from Drumkeen to killybegs to Dublin in time..

blue shimmering

bigwormbundoran wrote: »

Well if i was falsely accused of murder i couldnt see myself taking it lying down either to be fair. €2.5m or whatever it was wouldnt be long easing the woes of it either.

Coming in front of a wind up merchant (a good one though ) like Vincent Browne would be enough to rattle anyones cages first time round

Maybe the money would ease it now for him but at the time he had no guarantee that it would turn out the way it did! I do think no one would take it lying down but very few would have taken the route he took of taking it all the way and winning - if he had lost he would have lost everything and there was always that hanging over his head! I would say people who knew him did know he was telling the truth but others may have thought differently! All I am saying is that we need someone who will fight for us!

North_West_Art

what about the €8 a share??
was just reading through this analysis

bigwormbundoran

blue shimmering wrote: »

Maybe the money would ease it now for him but at the time he had no guarantee that it would turn out the way it did! I do think no one would take it lying down but very few would have taken the route he took of taking it all the way and winning - if he had lost he would have lost everything and there was always that hanging over his head! I would say people who knew him did know he was telling the truth but others may have thought differently! All I am saying is that we need someone who will fight for us!

The man couldnt grasp the concept of something as basic as how the bond markets work so just continually shouted out "€8!" as if it meant something, then butting in when other people were trying to talk with his ho-ho hilarious digs about 4th subs and waves. Id sooner still be stuck with no fullrepresentation than have that man "fighting for us" if this is what it entails.

Carrickman

I heard last night that the boundary up by St Johnston direction is begin narrowed ie they are using the same boundary as the last election or something like that (not 100% sure) it is about 1,000 voters of the list this I would say will effect McBrearty and Doherty the most.

muffler

Finally got a chance to look at the Vincent Browne interview and have to agree with what others have said.

O'Neill had no impact whatsoever. He said nothing that would sway the neutrals to vote Fine Gael and was slow to grasp and understand the questions put to him

Ó Domhnaill was typically following the official party line and just like O'Neill he was totally unconvincing and screwed up in his 90 second intro by failing to say which party he was standing for.

McBrearty just proved why people would be reluctant to vote for him. He was completely out of his league and his utterances about the "€8 bonds" simply confirmed that. He did himself no favours with his continual interruptions.

Finally, Doherty was the only candidate to emerge with any credibility from it all. Got his points over well and showed that he is not out of his depths when it comes to national politics. He did however "talk over" a couple of times which wasn't welcomed.

bigwormbundoran

muffler wrote: »

Ó Domhnaill . . . screwed up in his 90 second intro by failing to say which party he was standing for.

I forgot about that completely, Vincent wasnt long jumping on him about it, after that the whole constant proclamation of himself "wearing the jersey" did him no favours at all

JD3112

scientific1982 wrote: »

I know the man personally and hes actually a gentleman. He has a lot of integrity but I cant vote for him considering the party hes attached to. Its a shame because if he ran as an independant he'd get my first.

Integrity likes his brother?

who was FF,
didn't get the nomination
ran as an independent
got elected
and now is back in FF

Did he tell the people that voted for him that he was going to switch back?

Ford4000

Folks we can debate how they performed on Vincent Browns wind up show untill the cows come home, only 2 people are in the running being realistic.

Brian O Domhnaill and Pearse Doherty im sure we all can see that.

Poor O'Neill hasnt got a clue id go so far as to call him an embarassment to fine gael, and big Frank is just ....well......lets say he lacks a bit a culture. As regards Independants for there own sake they shouldnt really waste there time, unless an Independant has a major selling point or Agenda like Thomas Gildea had a few years ago with the MMDS scandal they really dont stand a chance!

Again being realistic the voting public may make a lot of noise and the poles may vary but no matter what most people say if there was an election on the 1st January Fine Fail would be voted back in but possibly with Labour as a tag team,

As regards Donegal i would have a strong suspicion O' Domhnaill will win through, Doherty i dont think will, the public seem to think he has an agenda of some sort by making the initial challenge, Pearse Doherty has the makings of an excellent politician however he will be held back by the party he is involved with !

Carrickman

I would not write O'Neill off like that he was not great on TV the last night but he had not got a script like O Domhnaill had and if the people of the SW elect him after all that their party did not do for the county well we will get what we deserve the same thing we have been getting for years a big fat NOTHING. It's a three horse race with transfares going to play a major part, that is the bottom line.

muffler

Ford4000 wrote: »

Folks we can debate how they performed on Vincent Browns wind up show untill the cows come home

We can indeed and there is no harm in anyone posting comment on it here. It was the candidates' first televised "performance" so to speak and that for some people can be enough to judge them.

Ford4000 wrote: »

only 2 people are in the running being realistic.

Brian O Domhnaill and Pearse Doherty im sure we all can see that.

That is your own personal view (I do agree with you though but thats neither here nor there) but there are people out there who would not share that view.

feelpablo

Mc Breartys bus is after goin through Donegal Town playing christy moores ordinary man :eek:

The Horror!!!

proon4

scientific1982 wrote: »

I actually hate that woman.

Sorry but in Donegal if a dumb ass ran for FF they would vote for them...what am I saying?.... dumb Ass... Havent they always voted for Mary Coughlan

muffler

proon4 wrote: »

Sorry but in Donegal if a dumb ass ran for FF they would vote for them...what am I saying?.... dumb Ass... Havent they always voted for Mary Coughlan

Post the likes of that here again and we'll see who the dumb ass really is.

Infraction given.