HKC securewave

indie armada

got one of these panels and a few sensors today, instaling it at the weekend. powered it up on a fly lead and had a quick look at the programming. nearly the same as the securewatch but is there anything i need to know, anything i should look out for when installing it that might trip me up. it looks like you just program it as if you were fitting wired id sensors. any tips are welcome

fred funk }{

If you're installing wireless sensors start the first sensor on zone 11 as it will leave the ten hard wired zones free for future use. Be careful when tightening the screw on the keypad as it's very easy to ring the threads as it's made of plastic.
If you're used to installing the old HKC you'll be grand, it's very similar.

altor

Its very like putting in the secure watch, I would use the RF point feature for the wire free if you are only installing wire free devices. You wont need any tips if you are familiar with the secure watch

indie armada

sound lads thanks. im a bit rusty but its goin into the folks house so no pressure to get it finished in a hurry. the key pad is a bit flimsey and the womans voice took me by surprise. i take it there is no way of turning down the beeps or her voice?

altor

indie armada wrote: »

sound lads thanks. im a bit rusty but its goin into the folks house so no pressure to get it finished in a hurry. the key pad is a bit flimsey and the womans voice took me by surprise. i take it there is no way of turning down the beeps or her voice?

It will all come back when you start installing the alarm
What beeps indie ?

indie armada

altor wrote: »

It will all come back when you start installing the alarm
What beeps indie ?

installed this today, took a while to program but its been a while
i was refering to the exit entry beeps but probly better left as they are.
still have to go back and do a few little bits like date the batt and fill out the zone list.

altor

indie armada wrote: »

i was refering to the exit entry beeps but probly better left as they are.

They are but if you want you can ID the keypad and this will allow you turn down the volume rather than turning it off completely. It is done in the RKP config menu.

Thunderbird2

absoultly dying to get one of these panels...the local wesco is selling a starter kit for 350....panel,keypad,2 pir's,2 d/w sensors,keyfob,and i think sabb.......there selling the inertia/reed sensors sep for 50 quid each!!!! is this a good bargin???

altor

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

absoultly dying to get one of these panels...the local wesco is selling a starter kit for 350....panel,keypad,2 pir's,2 d/w sensors,keyfob,and i think sabb.......there selling the inertia/reed sensors sep for 50 quid each!!!! is this a good bargin???

Good price, good gear plus all wire free

Thunderbird2

but 50 quid each for the sensor?? that seems a bit mad since i no a company that chages 50 for the sensor and the installation of that sensor

KoolKid

€50 is about right for a wireless inertia/contact.
If a company is supply & fitting for that you are getting a great deal. Ask they for a price to supply only. If they can do the genuine article cheap please send me their details ,I'll get them plenty of business.

fred funk }{

Sorry, but no company can supply and fit a HKC wireless sensor for fifty quid (ex VAT).The three euro profit makes it unworkable.
Maybe if they were already installing the alarm and the customer wanted an additional window alarmed then maybe.

altor

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

but 50 quid each for the sensor?? that seems a bit mad since i no a company that chages 50 for the sensor and the installation of that sensor

Yes thats how much they cost, there is a lot more involved with a wire free sensor than a standard sensor off an wired alarm system. Does he install the whole alarm at cost ? I would not think so.

indie armada

i think the sensors were costing me 47 euro each and a contact was 33 euro. wont know for sure til i get the invoice in. those are wholesale prices to the company i work for so you could prob add 30% plus vat onto that if your buying from an electrical wholesaler. but it depends on quantity and how much the wholesaler deals with a perticular alarm equipment supplier. i know tradesmen who get the stuff nearly as cheap as we do and were a wholesaler, just on the basis on the ammount of business they do with that company.

Thunderbird2

hi guys sorry for taking over this forum but i recently reset my hkc securewatch 8/12 panel back to the default settings...i programmed the zones.time,hardware,ent/ext,sabb time ect but i have given the manual to a neighbour for the week so i know im after forgetting a setting because when i set the system to away ,the panel starts the delay but then when i move the PIR trips the internal siren as if its an exit fault:D

Thunderbird2

im after forgetting something simple and its driving me mad especially since all the houses dwn my way are being robbed.help is relly needed !!!!

altor

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

hi guys sorry for taking over this forum but i recently reset my hkc securewatch 8/12 panel back to the default settings...i programmed the zones.time,hardware,ent/ext,sabb time ect but i have given the manual to a neighbour for the week so i know im after forgetting a setting because when i set the system to away ,the panel starts the delay but then when i move the PIR trips the internal siren as if its an exit fault:D

You will need to go into engineering, zone menu, zone options and set the pir up for access. If you want the beam off in part set you can do this here too.

Thunderbird2

thanks altor knew i was forgetting something. really appreciated!!:)have it sorted now

altor

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

thanks altor knew i was forgetting something. really appreciated!!:)have it sorted now

With all the places getting burgled around the place make sure you have the alarm turned on at night. If you need a engineer manual send me your e-mail by P.M. and I will send it on to you.

Thunderbird2

have it set up to auto arm pga incase i forget.btw will auto arm work if i set the alarm to work to en50131 and what is auto activate this is in event timers

altor

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

have it set up to auto arm pga incase i forget.btw will auto arm work if i set the alarm to work to en50131 and what is auto activate this is in event timers

I am not sure what you have set up Thunderbird2, can you explain more ?

Auto active is used if you want the alarm to activate if you have left the alarm unset for a certain length of time. E.G. If you had a builder working in your home for 8 hours then when he enters he would disarm the alarm with his builder code, it activates the 8 hour timer to start counting down. If thats what it is set too. If he does not finish up and arm the panel to leave within that 8 hours the alarm will go into full alarm.

Thunderbird2

:Di have it set up as auto arm part gard A..at 11:30 the alarm sets on part gard A...just scroll past the auto activate and u will find it

altor

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

:Di have it set up as auto arm part gard A..at 11:30 the alarm sets on part gard A...just scroll past the auto activate and u will find it

I have not used this feature but good to know it will go into partgard.

Thunderbird2

you can set it to auto arm in full, part g A or part arm B :rolleyes:

altor

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

you can set it to auto arm in full, part g A or part arm B :rolleyes:

Thats correct.

Thunderbird2

after switching to the hkc securewave 10-70 panel and was wondering how to get the keypad to vocally announce the zones that are open when going to arm it. ie press 0#4 keypad speaks (zone 4 back window open) i have zone audio set up.thanks!!!

altor

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

after switching to the hkc securewave 10-70 panel and was wondering how to get the keypad to vocally announce the zones that are open when going to arm it. ie press 0#4 keypad speaks (zone 4 back window open) i have zone audio set up.thanks!!!

You will only get a message on the keypad letting you know what zone is open when setting the alarm. The audio is for voice monitoring.

Thunderbird2

altor wrote: »

You will only get a message on the keypad letting you know what zone is open when setting the alarm. The audio is for voice monitoring.

when an alarm occurs and i disarm,the keypad announces what zone triggered the alarm along with the date and time along with a visual message.thanks anyway tho:D

altor

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

when an alarm occurs and i disarm,the keypad announces what zone triggered the alarm along with the date and time along with a visual message.thanks anyway tho:D

That is correct as the alarm has activated. It wont do that if your trying to set with a zone open.

Mr. G

altor wrote: »

That is correct as the alarm has activated. It wont do that if your trying to set with a zone open.

Hi altor,

Have a 812 secure watch since june last year, thinking would it be worth upgrading the alarm to the new 1070 Secure Wave panel. Have all hardwired zones. What extra features come with it and how can we self monitor with it?

Thanks a million

altor

Mr_Grumpy wrote: »

Hi altor,

Have a 812 secure watch since june last year, thinking would it be worth upgrading the alarm to the new 1070 Secure Wave panel. Have all hardwired zones. What extra features come with it and how can we self monitor with it?

Thanks a million

If you need to add wire free devices it would be but if not then the 8/12 will still protect your home the same. If you want you could add a text dialer on to the 8/12 if your service provider is Eircom or Vodafone.

KoolKid

Who sold you a SecureWatch in June of last year??:eek:
Could have installed 1070 for €10-€20 extra.

Mr. G

KoolKid wrote: »

Who sold you a SecureWatch in June of last year??:eek:
Could have installed 1070 for €10-€20 extra.

Installed by FSL Security Systems. It is annyoing that I could have gotten a SecureWave for a tenner extra. Thinking of it now, want a keypad upstairs, are securewatch keypads compatible with secure wave panels?

Could do with another keypad,

KoolKid

You are going to have to buy another SecureWatch keypad.
I really can't believe lads are still installing these upto 9 months ago :eek::eek:

Mr. G

KoolKid wrote: »

You are going to have to buy another SecureWatch keypad.
I really can't believe lads are still installing these upto 9 months ago :eek::eek:

If I got a SecureWave panel could I install the SecureWave keypad upstairs and continue with the SecureWatch keypad with the panel downstairs? This way, I could also have a keyfob and additional sensors without wiring the house.

Thanks for your time guys, very helpful info here, keep it up!

altor

Mr_Grumpy wrote: »

If I got a SecureWave panel could I install the SecureWave keypad upstairs and continue with the SecureWatch keypad with the panel downstairs? This way, I could also have a keyfob and additional sensors without wiring the house.

Thanks for your time guys, very helpful info here, keep it up!

The 2 keypads are different so wont work with the 2 systems I am afraid. The Securewave panel would of being the panel to get in the first place, cant believe you where not given the option at lease. If you can get a cable from the control panel or keypad to the bedroom you could install the second keypad. Have you got a cable for a panic button you could use for the keypad. If so there is a panic built into the keypad. What extra sensors are you looking to install ?

Mr. G

altor wrote: »

The 2 keypads are different so wont work with the 2 systems I am afraid. The Securewave panel would of being the panel to get in the first place, cant believe you where not given the option at lease. If you can get a cable from the control panel or keypad to the bedroom you could install the second keypad. Have you got a cable for a panic button you could use for the keypad. If so there is a panic built into the keypad. What extra sensors are you looking to install ?

No, unfortunately no wiring in the bedroom at all. Just wanted to have another keypad in the landing so can arm it at night. Also, if were to go with monitoring in the future to add a few shock sensors (big house) aswell. There is no wiring for keypads or shock sensors.. Any suggestions much appreciated. Thanks a million KoolKid and Altor for yis help.

altor

Mr_Grumpy wrote: »

No, unfortunately no wiring in the bedroom at all. Just wanted to have another keypad in the landing so can arm it at night. Also, if were to go with monitoring in the future to add a few shock sensors (big house) aswell. There is no wiring for keypads or shock sensors.. Any suggestions much appreciated. Thanks a million KoolKid and Altor for yis help.

The Securewave would of helped. Running cables is you best bet. If you can get a 4 core cable to loop where you want the keypad on the landing, then into the attic, you could install a expander, a keypad and 4 zones off the same cable.

altor

Mr_Grumpy wrote: »

Right, I have a motion detector in the landing, this is a 6 core cable and goes right back to the panel.
If I use the original PIR cable to wire the expander Is it possible to connect the keypad to the expander aswell?

Perfect, you can always wire the pir into an expander. Saves running a cable

Mr. G

altor wrote: »

Perfect, you can always wire the pir into an expander. Saves running a cable

How much should I expect to pay for an expander?
I persume its a matter of connecting the keypad and pir to the expander and wire it to the panel?

altor

Mr_Grumpy wrote: »

How much should I expect to pay for an expander?
I persume its a matter of connecting the keypad and pir to the expander and wire it to the panel?

A 4 zone expander about 40-50 Euro. Ring a few of the suppliers here for a price. The expander will be wired in with the keypad on 4 of the cores. The pir will be wired into a zone on the expander. The 2 spare cores on the 6 core cable can be used for power for the pir.

Mr. G

altor wrote: »

A 4 zone expander about 40-50 Euro. Ring a few of the suppliers here for a price. The expander will be wired in with the keypad on 4 of the cores. The pir will be wired into a zone on the expander. The 2 spare cores on the 6 core cable can be used for power for the pir.

Will contact some of those on the list. Thanks a million for your time- you and koolkid really know this stuff inside out!

altor

Mr_Grumpy wrote: »

Will contact some of those on the list. Thanks a million for your time- you and koolkid really know this stuff inside out!

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