I got a headbutt on Patrick's street last night!

silent sage

I went for a few pints after college last night. I'll cut a long story short, I was minding my own business having a smoke in the city centre before getting a cab to go home, two drunken losers come up to me asking for tobacco, I flat out refused to give them anything, they crowd around me, all up in my face and shit, head touching head, I stood my ground and told them I wasn't giving them shit, and one throws me a headbutt square on the nose!

I said "Are you fuckin serious??, are you FUCKIN serious?" "YOU are demanding tobacco from ME, and because I ain't giving you any, you throw me a fuckin HEADBUTT!?"
I told them to go fuck themselves, cops arrive, I push yer man outta my grill, I stroll away giving them the finger and shouting all colours of abuse, give my statement to one of the cops, decided not to press charges and hopped in a cab!

What the fuck?

Dean820

Maybe it was the way you refused them.

Vanbis

silent sage wrote: »

I went for a few pints after college last night. I'll cut a long story short, I was minding my own business having a smoke in the city centre before getting a cab to go home, two drunken losers come up to me asking for tobacco, I flat out refused to give them anything, they crowd around me, all up in my face and shit, head touching head, I stood my ground and told them I wasn't giving them shit, and one throws me a headbutt square on the nose!

I said "Are you fuckin serious??, are you FUCKIN serious?" "YOU are demanding tobacco from ME, and because I ain't giving you any, you throw me a fuckin HEADBUTT!?"
I told them to go fuck themselves, cops arrive, I push yer man outta my grill, I stroll away giving them the finger and shouting all colours of abuse, give my statement to one of the cops, decided not to press charges and hopped in a cab!

What the fuck?

May that be a lesson to you, Smoking kills.

PCPhoto

silent sage wrote: »

Some drunken idiot asked me for a freebie cigarette last night ....and when I tolf him to get his scabby paws away from me .....the smell of poor off him.... he headbutted me !!
What the fuck?

FYP

Seriously - why go head to head with him - only scum get into those kid of positions ... walk away everytime !!

gimmick

What I read is that the fella went head to head with OP while the 2 were around him ie not able to walk away.

That said, in those situations I would always give in early for fear of a hiding.

Hogzy

tbh OP you could have defused that situation alot better. Seems to me like you were itching for them to start on you.

Ellian

I'd always give someone a smoke if they asked as long as they're not underage. That said I have always been asked in the manner of "could I bum a smoke of you?" Not sure how I would react if it was "give us a smoke or I'll mill ya.."

TheBunk1

Fair play OP, Id prob just have given em a smoke to avoid confrontation but it f**kin drives me mad that these c**ts think they have some sort of entitlement to bum smokes or money and then have the cheek to be offended for refusing them!!!

A mate of mine mate refused to give some alco/addict money for a "taxi" and she spat at him.

TheMilkyPirate

silent sage wrote: »

I went for a few pints after college last night. I'll cut a long story short, I was minding my own business having a smoke in the city centre before getting a cab to go home, two drunken losers come up to me asking for tobacco, I flat out refused to give them anything, they crowd around me, all up in my face and shit, head touching head, I stood my ground and told them I wasn't giving them shit, and one throws me a headbutt square on the nose!

I said "Are you fuckin serious??, are you FUCKIN serious?" "YOU are demanding tobacco from ME, and because I ain't giving you any, you throw me a fuckin HEADBUTT!?"
I told them to go fuck themselves, cops arrive, I push yer man outta my grill, I stroll away giving them the finger and shouting all colours of abuse, give my statement to one of the cops, decided not to press charges and hopped in a cab!

What the fuck?

Sorry, but this is hilarious!

JohnK

silent sage wrote: »

... decided not to press charges...

And that right there is why this crap keeps happening. If you dont press charges the cops cant do a bloody thing and these people keep getting away with it.

super_furry

So you decide not to press charges but come on here moaning about it. And when it happens again, you'll wonder why the Gardai never do anything to prevent it.

silent sage

It all happened so fast, and yes one of them went head to head with me, I did very little to provoke them. Once I had refused the first time, there was no point in backing down the second time and going home feeling like a chump. My only option was to talk my way out of it, they were obviously looking for a fight more than a smoke. I impulsively bagan to outright question their actions and more importantly, themselves! The headbutter seemed quite confused by my response, and the other guy had a wry smile on his face. Once the cops arrived it was ample opportunity to push back and call them all sorts of names. If I had fought back initially, I'd be in hospital right now.

I'm so sick of strangers asking for cigarettes or rollies in public. It's happened so many times in Cork and Dublin. The last time I obliged a guy, he began to tell me his life story and how he thought he may have taken his arm cast off too early?? I don't fucking care, I don't know you, I'll never meet you again, take my free tobacco and keep your stories to yourself. Prick.

silent sage

JohnK wrote: »

And that right there is why this crap keeps happening. If you dont press charges the cops cant do a bloody thing and these people keep getting away with it.

I went out for a few quiet pints, not to get involved in a court case. I'm not wasting my time on such a trivial thing. They should have accepted that I had nothing to spare and move on with their lives. No, instead I get a headbutt.

silent sage

Hogzy wrote: »

tbh OP you could have defused that situation alot better. Seems to me like you were itching for them to start on you.

How was I itching to start with them?

silent sage

super_furry wrote: »

So you decide not to press charges but come on here moaning about it. And when it happens again, you'll wonder why the Gardai never do anything to prevent it.

I'm simply letting whoever interested know that you're libel to get a headbutt upon refusing to give your stuff to strangers for free on Patrick's street.

SandStone

Hogzy wrote: »

tbh OP you could have defused that situation a lot better.

Why should he have to?

ShamoBuc

Happened to me before - Patricks street aswell.
Told them it was my last one - took a pull and offered him the rest of it - fúckin chav bástard took it! Kept walking and sparked up a few mins later.
I simply hate that shít!

johnnyjb

silent sage wrote: »

I went out for a few quiet pints, not to get involved in a court case. I'm not wasting my time on such a trivial thing. They should have accepted that I had nothing to spare and move on with their lives. No, instead I get a headbutt.

Are you from a posh part of the southside, do your parents drive a merc ?? It sounds like this is the worse case of bullying you have ever suffered, get a grip. You need to learn how to handle theses people in a non violent way.

I agree that you were harrassed needlessly but sorry that is life if your hanging around city centres surrounded by pubs and drunks. If i m in town im always on the lookout, that way trouble is at a minimum (never 100% safe)

Milly33

johnnyjb wrote: »

Are you from a posh part of the southside, do your parents drive a merc ?? It sounds like this is the worse case of bullying you have ever suffered, get a grip. You need to learn how to handle theses people in a non violent way.

I agree that you were harrassed needlessly but sorry that is life if your hanging around city centres surrounded by pubs and drunks. If i m in town im always on the lookout, that way trouble is at a minimum (never 100% safe)

Thats a bit harsh...It shoud'nt matter where you are from you shoudlnt have to worry about this happening to you when you go out..Think you dam right to stick up for yourself Fair deuce I would have done it although I do not know how i would manage a headbut Should have pressed charges though to make sure they got their cumupence (still cant spell)

eurokev

johnnyjb wrote: »

Are you from a posh part of the southside, do your parents drive a merc ?? It sounds like this is the worse case of bullying you have ever suffered, get a grip. You need to learn how to handle theses people in a non violent way.

I agree that you were harrassed needlessly but sorry that is life if your hanging around city centres surrounded by pubs and drunks. If i m in town im always on the lookout, that way trouble is at a minimum (never 100% safe)

Agree with being on the lookout but cork is after getting rough as anything. Its my main problem with going to town. Iv heard of this happening so often recently. They will start on you if you give them what they want anyway. Its giving somone a baiting theyre really looking for. Best way to avoid I think is to put on your best norrie accent, this way they might think youre a bit dodge. I f**king hate scumbags. Wish every one of them was dead. Solely out to inflict misery on decent people. Im angry even thinking bout it. Sorry for this happening to you too. You should have pressed charges tho

Knifey Spoony

johnnyjb wrote: »

Are you from a posh part of the southside, do your parents drive a merc ?? It sounds like this is the worse case of bullying you have ever suffered, get a grip. You need to learn how to handle theses people in a non violent way.

I agree that you were harrassed needlessly but sorry that is life if your hanging around city centres surrounded by pubs and drunks. If i m in town im always on the lookout, that way trouble is at a minimum (never 100% safe)

What does where he came from have anything to do with this? Why can't he stand around and have a smoke?

There was a friend of my punched in the back of the head one night while we were on our way home by some drunken git for no reason. There are just assholes out there that will turn on you for the smallest reason. The guy that headbutted you OP is just another one of these people.

Milly33

Why has it become all of a sudden so rough then. Well not all of a sudden but there seems to always be something now. And stupid things like this fights for no reasons. Even we went to town last week during the day for the first time in ages and it even looks fairly rough and no one is perticularly friendly anymore..

silent sage

johnnyjb wrote: »

Are you from a posh part of the southside, do your parents drive a merc ??

No and no.

It sounds like this is the worse case of bullying you have ever suffered, get a grip. You need to learn how to handle theses people in a non violent way.

How does it sound like the worst case of bullying I've ever suffered? I tried to start this thread in a light hearted fashion. I was quite amused by the whole ordeal.

I think I was as non violent as was appropriate. Let me just clarify...

-"Have any spare smokes?"

-"No, sorry"

*intimidating approach head to head*

*WTF, this guy is definitely not getting anything off me*

*BAM* *Headbutt*

*I act in a non violent yet obviously pissed off fashion*

*Cops*

*Couple of shoves later, I go on my way*

Kold

Why not press charges?

Also, annoying roll eyes smiley at people thinking that he deserved that at all in 3..2...1 :rolleyes:

silent sage

Kold wrote: »

Why not press charges?

Hmm, the guard was really sound and apparently knew the guy who headbutted me, when the question arose I just thought he has enough problems if he's known to the guards, going around bumming smokes, and getting his kicks from starting fights with random strangers. Plus, just tired, glad it wasn't worse and wanted to be on my way without any hassle.

She'll make a fine yarn though.

johnnyjb

eurokev wrote: »

Agree with being on the lookout but cork is after getting rough as anything. Its my main problem with going to town. Iv heard of this happening so often recently. They will start on you if you give them what they want anyway. Its giving somone a baiting theyre really looking for. Best way to avoid I think is to put on your best norrie accent, this way they might think youre a bit dodge. I f**king hate scumbags. Wish every one of them was dead. Solely out to inflict misery on decent people. Im angry even thinking bout it. Sorry for this happening to you too. You should have pressed charges tho

I wont even start to argue bout that statement

Knifey Spoony wrote: »

What does where he came from have anything to do with this? Why can't he stand around and have a smoke?

Life aint that simple anymore im afraid, the sooner people realise its not happy families in a urban town the sooner incidents like this decline. Im not trying to give OP hard time just trying to give a bit of my advice from experience. He was a victim and should help him deal with fools like this in future

Kold

silent sage wrote: »

Hmm, the guard was really sound and apparently knew the guy who headbutted me, when the question arose I just thought he has enough problems if he's known to the guards, going around bumming smokes, and getting his kicks from starting fights with random strangers. Plus, just tired, glad it wasn't worse and wanted to be on my way without any hassle.

She'll make a fine yarn though.

Negative reinforcement tbh.

grumpy jo

You should have done one of two things, 1, realised you were about to get smacked & layed into these two scum bags before they hit you.
2, & this is the most advisable, press charges against these scum bags,
You went on your way hurting both physically & mentally & they went on their way to do the exact same thing to some other poor unfortunate. Press charges & @ leat they would be off the street for a few hours.

silent sage wrote: »

I went for a few pints after college last night. I'll cut a long story short, I was minding my own business having a smoke in the city centre before getting a cab to go home, two drunken losers come up to me asking for tobacco, I flat out refused to give them anything, they crowd around me, all up in my face and shit, head touching head, I stood my ground and told them I wasn't giving them shit, and one throws me a headbutt square on the nose!

I said "Are you fuckin serious??, are you FUCKIN serious?" "YOU are demanding tobacco from ME, and because I ain't giving you any, you throw me a fuckin HEADBUTT!?"
I told them to go fuck themselves, cops arrive, I push yer man outta my grill, I stroll away giving them the finger and shouting all colours of abuse, give my statement to one of the cops, decided not to press charges and hopped in a cab!

What the fuck?

eurokev

johnnyjb wrote: »

I wont even start to argue bout that statement



Life aint that simple anymore im afraid, the sooner people realise its not happy families in a urban town the sooner incidents like this decline. Im not trying to give OP hard time just trying to give a bit of my advice from experience. He was a victim and should help him deal with fools like this in future

sorry johnnyjb
I genuinely just mean a rough accent. You know what im talking. Just being a southsider there. I dont agree that people should have to toughen up tho. Things like this should not happen. I hate scumbags so much. I stopped a guy snatching a girls bag few months ago like. How much of this crap is going on. If i have kids I want them to be able to enjoy our beautiful city without fear. It genuinely has a lot to offer

silent sage

Kold wrote: »

Negative reinforcement tbh.

Well, as I say it all happened pretty fast. I didn't think too long about the consequences of not pressing charges. I'm not even sure how the guards arrived so quick. Maybe one of the taxi drivers phoned.

I'm only after moving down here from Galway over the past few weeks, it didn't seem like a favourable way to introduce myself to the city - with a feckin court case.

DarkJager

Just a hint in case anyone gets a similar experience in future. If someone is about to throw a headbutt at you, just slightly tilt your head forward enough, so the top of your head is exactly where he will land it. Guaranteed to break his nose and maybe even his teeth as well. What you do after that is up to you.

I don't condone violence but it never hurts to know a trick or two for situations like this.

silent sage

grumpy jo wrote: »

1 realised you were about to get smacked & layed into these two scum bags before they hit you.

I don't think that was a realistic option. I was smoking up against a wall in front of a taxi rank, before I knew it I was surrounded between wall and couple of lads (one with head against mine). The headbutt came out of the blue. I was obviously stunned for a few seconds and a quick review of the situation meant - no I ain't fighting back here or I could get knifed for all I know.

2, & this is the most advisable, press charges against these scum bags,
You went on your way hurting both physically & mentally & they went on their way to do the exact same thing to some other poor unfortunate. Press charges & @ leat they would be off the street for a few hours.

To be perfectly honest, I wasn't hurt much mentally. I just thought it was a joke that I can't mind my own business without a stranger wanting a fag and getting overly violent when you decline. The cops were still talking to them when I left and it seemed like it was under control. I went home feeling pretty good and thinking how I could dramatise the story for friends and such.

It's my first few weeks in Cork, I didn't fancy any legal ramifications. All decisions were made in a split second.

Max001

OP, I'm not judging, nor criticising in any way. You made your
own choices about how to handle the situation and you stand
by them. Fair enough. However, rule 1 (especially) in a city.
Always be aware of your surroundings.

Glad it didn't escalate into something worse. FYI. Many types of
army surplus boots are really light and comfortable and come with
steel toe caps

Dean820

I think Cork is very safe. I walk home by myself after most nights out. Never had any problems. You just have to have a bit of cop on in these situations.

gimmick

gimmick wrote: »

What I read is that the fella went head to head with OP while the 2 were around him ie not able to walk away.

That said, in those situations I would always give in early for fear of a hiding.

There was only two of them in total, in most of those situations they are looking to start something anyway, I reckon if the OP had given them a ciggy they would have next asked for the time or to use his phone etc etc.

baraca wrote: »

Sorry, but this is hilarious!

I agree

eurokev wrote: »

Best way to avoid I think is to put on your best norrie accent, this way they might think youre a bit dodge. I f**king hate scumbags.

Absolutely daft advise, pretend you're a hard man and they may f off, in all fairness.

DarkJager wrote: »

Just a hint in case anyone gets a similar experience in future. If someone is about to throw a headbutt at you, just slightly tilt your head forward enough, so the top of your head is exactly where he will land it. Guaranteed to break his nose and maybe even his teeth as well. What you do after that is up to you.

.

I fail to see how that will result in him breaking his nose or teeth, he'll bop your head with his head, result being possibly two split heads, at least two sore ones anyway. Also headbutts being headbutts unless you are fairly nifty you won't see it coming in time to "just" anything.


OP, best thing to do when someone goes head to head with you is to either take some backward steps or else push them away. Get yourself out of their range, worst case scenario they will try and assault you again. Best case you can flea or they f off and find an easier target.

I used to be very wary of these scummy types when I was in my late teens and early 20s, worryingly enough the last few years they seem to give me a salute as they go about their nights entertainment

IrishEyes19

silent sage wrote: »

It all happened so fast, and yes one of them went head to head with me, I did very little to provoke them. Once I had refused the first time, there was no point in backing down the second time and going home feeling like a chump. My only option was to talk my way out of it, they were obviously looking for a fight more than a smoke. I impulsively bagan to outright question their actions and more importantly, themselves! The headbutter seemed quite confused by my response, and the other guy had a wry smile on his face. Once the cops arrived it was ample opportunity to push back and call them all sorts of names. If I had fought back initially, I'd be in hospital right now.

I'm so sick of strangers asking for cigarettes or rollies in public. It's happened so many times in Cork and Dublin. The last time I obliged a guy, he began to tell me his life story and how he thought he may have taken his arm cast off too early?? I don't fucking care, I don't know you, I'll never meet you again, take my free tobacco and keep your stories to yourself. Prick.

Jesus calm down!!! Sorry but I was on your side there until you posted this. The guy there sounded like a typical Irish lad being friendly and chatting away when you gave him a cigerette. I reckon you're treated aggressively by these people because you're aggressive in your refusal. Calling a guy a p***k because he was friendly enough to chat. I call that friendliness.

charlemont

Milly33 wrote: »

Why has it become all of a sudden so rough then. Well not all of a sudden but there seems to always be something now. And stupid things like this fights for no reasons. Even we went to town last week during the day for the first time in ages and it even looks fairly rough and no one is perticularly friendly anymore..

Heroin and the "hard" attitude picked up in St Pats by the teenagers were the main reasons the atmosphere amongst certain people has changed, Cork was such a friendly city, when the Spike Island facility was shut it coincided with a dramatic increase in heroin use (also the severe lack of hash played its part) i live in one of the worse affected streets in the centre of the city for crime and drugs and believe me iv seen some violence and **** behaviour although the street has gone quiet now as heroin has spread around to all the suburbs..

By the way a friend of mine was mugged and she was left with back and arm bruises from being kicked on Old Youghal road recently, it was at 6.45 pm so it was still bright.

raydar

Im Sorry ye cant have a great night out with these tossers causing unessesary grief, Anger really is the other end of Fear.

I had a few bad beatings in and around Cork city around 20 years ago ,

so its always been there ,

I remember getting dragged out of a house party by the bloody hair by two scumbags and got a real dirty beating ,
Got kicked into the head and face and was warned , if i got up theyd kill me i had to wait till they were finished with me
Not nice! after it was all over and they won ,one of them apoligised ,Wow Bi-polar or what ?

they took my jacket and my money was in it,so i had to walk 4 miles to get home ,Trying to whipe the blood out my eyes to see that night wasnt nice,

I now no one of them killed himself a while back ago.

Another night got hopped by three and there was so much blood i thought someone else was bleeding but it was my own,i saw stars that night,


Took time to get over them experieces,

Ireland can be very dangerous at times,
it really is what you attract based on your thinking and state of mind at that time ,

the last five years i became more aware about my thoughts and energy and have changed the way i think before i act ,and ive walked near and through some dangerous groups and had no fear

they didnt even look at me and other times they moved out of the way

Cheers
Peace , Love ,and Dub

soundsham

ffs there was only 2 of them.....

babo9

An old guy once headbutted me outside Hillbillies!!!
I did try to skip the queue and he called me on it so I said fair enough and apoligised and went back, I was locked he was even worse - he was having none of my apology! In retrospect though that did piss me off and I may have acted in ways to slightly aggrevate him more!

Long story short after he was pulled inside by the bouncer and after we both had our food he was outside waiting for me and BAM headbutt in the face kind shocked me really!

The laugh is then I was backing towards the bouncers to diffuse the situation and they goes Lads take it around the corner, not infront of the shop!! I was like are you for real I have no intention in beating an old man!!

charlemont

charlemont wrote: »

Cork was such a friendly city,

Cork is still a friendly city, folks have always been mugged, years back the street where John Graces is located on was a riot zone every Saturday night. Most junkies couldn't drop a hard sh1t and don't go about fighting with folks, begging is their main source of income, they'll rob a shop or similar in preference to actually mugging someone as they know it's easier money and less chance of getting a thumping. If a junkie attempted to mug me I'd probably throw a few euro his way as I wouldn't want to have any physical contact with the manky bastads. Only a minority of kids from Cork end up in St Pats, the few I know of that went there were total scum beforehand anyway. Some have actually turned out ok as they got older, others have gone the junkie, long term offender route.

Back to the OP, must have been a p1ss poor head butt if he landed it square on your nose without breaking it.

silent sage

IrishEyes19 wrote: »

Jesus calm down!!! Sorry but I was on your side there until you posted this.

I have been very calm, I guess the use of some stronger words gives the impression otherwise.

The guy there sounded like a typical Irish lad being friendly and chatting away when you gave him a cigerette. I reckon you're treated aggressively by these people because you're aggressive in your refusal. Calling a guy a p***k because he was friendly enough to chat. I call that friendliness.

I assure you I'm not aggressive in my refusals. In fact I rarely refuse, but I decided that now I'm back in college and on a strict budget, I'm not doling out my stuff to strangers for free for the sake of being nice. The "prick" (I did not call him this to his face, I simply nodded as he began told me his life story) in question, stopped me as I was hurrying down Westmoreland street trying to be in time to meet a friend. I had a load of bags, he could see that I was in a hurry, but that went right over his head on the sight of me smoking a rollie. I stopped, shuffled bags around, went rooting around for tobacco, skins and various paraphernalia while this guy (who obviously did this a lot, any smoker he could see, I'm guessing) told me his life story on a busy Dublin street. He was not interested in me, only himself and the prospect of easy smoke.

Don't get me wrong, if I'm in the smoking area of a bar and someone comes up asking for a smoke, I'll happily oblige, chat away and enjoy their company. This is not the case in public streets - people looking for your stuff, they don't care about you, just free shit.

silent sage

RoverJames wrote: »

Back to the OP, must have been a p1ss poor head butt if he landed it square on your nose without breaking it.

It's not one he should be proud of. I sensed a little insecurity in him when I asked "are you fuckin serious??", and he stood facing the wall with head down after I had shoved him out of my face.

He was dying for me to raise a hand or something though, so he'd have an excuse to have another bite at the cherry.

gunnerfitzy

JohnK wrote: »

And that right there is why this crap keeps happening. If you dont press charges the cops cant do a bloody thing and these people keep getting away with it.

AFAIK it is not up to an individual to press charges or not. The option to press charges or not is an individuals right in the US but not Ireland.

One may decide not to make a statement to the Gardai. If you do make a statement you have no part of the decision making in whether charges are preferred at a later date or not.

Mr Cork Man

Unforunately things like this can happen in any urban area.I do think it would be more usefull to report this to the guards.There's nothing wrong with reporting it here either but the guards can't catch these thugs if you won't comply with them.I come from the countryside and i always found Cork to be a nicer city than Limerick and Dublin but like everywhere it does have it's nasty side too.Now if you're going to judge Cork from being on pana on a saturday night then of course you wouldn't have a nice impression of this place but then again i have come across plenty of late night entertainment in eyre square over the years.:pac: I just hope you will try to be more vigilant next time and i also hope that you well find out that while this city(like any other one) has it's problems it also has plenty of positives too.

silent sage

Mr Cork Man wrote: »

I just hope you will try to be more vigilant next time

I thought I'd have a quick smoke before I got in a cab to go home. I was leaning against a wall in front of a taxi rank in a well lit up part of Patrick's street. I saw these guys coming, they didn't look overly dodgy/scumbag-ish and I presumed they'd walk on by like any kind of civilized human being. Before I knew it, I'm pinned against the wall head to head. There was no lack of vigilance about it, bar running away from every subtle nuance of questionable activity.

I've also noticed some people saying there were only two of them. Two guys, with adrenaline pumping, obviously geared up to fight minutes previously, catch me on my own off guard. No one else around. If you're implying that I should have fought back because there were only two of them, are you fuckin serious?? :P I throw a punch at one, the other grabs me by the neck from behind, and bam I'm gettin my head kicked in with very little means of defense or attack. I've got a bag on my shoulder and an Ipod in my pocket. For all I know, they've got a knife in their pocket and bloodstream full of coke. It's all about strategy. Basically, I knew the position I was in and I had great fun playing non violent mind games that defused the situation adequately.

and i also hope that you well find out that while this city(like any other one) has it's problems it also has plenty of positives too.

Ah yeah, I'm well aware of the problems you'll find in all cities. I thought I'd post my first unfavourable Cork experience for the good people of Boards.ie.

I was playing 5 a-side soccer with a barrister friend last night, when I asked if I should have pressed charges he replied, "I wouldn't bother me hole". These things take months to pan out, and it's far more hassle than it's worth. I suspect my lonely little court case would have had very little effect on the riff-raff of Cork city anyway.

Finally, I'll say that I love Cork. Great atmosphere & events, great range of pubs, great people (apart from the odd baffling Cork accent ), fantastic city in general. I've settled in nicely and I'm looking forward to a lengthy spell here.

Fox McCloud

There are definately guys (and girls too actually) who go around town on a saturday night looking for a fight, and guess what their favourite opening line is?!
Its especially hard to tell them no if your smoking at the time, opens up a nice confrontation for them to start the fight. I generally say no, I dont smoke and move away quickly.

I wish people would always press charges, I know it causes general hassle and the risk of future revenge or whatever, but what these guys learned from this is that they can headbut anyone they want for no reason, get caught by the guards, and walk away scot free. The court may not give them more than a slap on the wrist but hey its an inconvienience for them to give an afternoon of their free time, put on their best trackies and go to court! One more violent conviction on what may be a long list could have an influence on future courtcases etc. If we want to stop Cork going in the direction it is, we cant let these guys get away with it.

YOu reckon you had great fun playing non violent mind games and that you diffused the situation ! Doesn't really tie in with your previous posts to be honest, if the guards hadn't arrived they would have battered the sh1t out of you. I don't see how getting head butted can be considered diffusing the situation. Your were set upon, made an awful knob of yourself and now are making out it all went to plan and that you had a great laugh.

54kroc

Getting a headbutt to the nose is not a great way to defuse a situation like that and why go head to head with someone if you can't back it up.

Swampy

Cork is a Kip.