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possible scrapping a 2001 BMW 530i

  • 03-11-2010 10:23am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭


    I'm about to start visiting car garages to get an idea of options open to me but just thought I'd throw it out here. I currently have a 2001 530i sport model, beautiful car but I now want to change it for a new car in 2011. As my own will be 10 years old, what deals can I get from scrappage scheme (if it is continued, that is)? I see some dealers will give government scrappage, dealer scrappage and also a trade in allowance. I'm just wondering if there is anything extra available for scrapping a car that is worth approx €4000. Could I get more from scrapping than trading in/selling privately?
    I'm looking for a Mondeo/Insignia/Mazda 6 class of car, diesel of course! Not restricted to just those cars though. Does anyone know of any great deals currently out there from any dealers


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Gophur


    Scrappage is only giving €1,500 for your car, anything over and above that is a dealer/distributor contribution.

    Surely, if you even get €1,501 for your car, selling it privately, you're better off, and a nice car is preserved?

    Go with cash and you'll be much better off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    bmwguy wrote: »
    I'm about to start visiting car garages to get an idea of options open to me but just thought I'd throw it out here. I currently have a 2001 530i sport model, beautiful car but I now want to change it for a new car in 2011. As my own will be 10 years old, what deals can I get from scrappage scheme (if it is continued, that is)? I see some dealers will give government scrappage, dealer scrappage and also a trade in allowance. I'm just wondering if there is anything extra available for scrapping a car that is worth approx €4000. Could I get more from scrapping than trading in/selling privately?
    I'm looking for a Mondeo/Insignia/Mazda 6 class of car, diesel of course! Not restricted to just those cars though. Does anyone know of any great deals currently out there from any dealers

    In general most of the cars you've mentioned are outside the scrappage scheme, being in tax band C unless you buy the more expensive ECO versions. Far better off selling your 530i privately. Great car though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭VolvoMan


    Why would you scrap such a lovely car? As undesirable to the Irish market as it is (high road tax), it has to be physically worth more than 1500 euro (Sport models are even quite sought after).

    Also, it's not even certain that the scrappage scheme will be extended into the new year, meaning that a 2011 registered car may not be eligible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    OP you should be hung, drawn and quartered for even considering scrapping such a lovely car:)!

    Put it up on BMW-Driver.net or other BMW website, someone will surely buy it if you price it properly. Even if you wanted to break it yourself you will get more for the interior and engine than the scrappage scheme will give you.

    I'd reckon on at least €2.5-€3k even with that engine, especially if it has plenty of kit (which it should considering it is a high up model in the range) and as noted M Sports are much more desirable than the ordinary models.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,749 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    ok, [rant]
    OP, not an attack on you personally, just a comment in general: but there is something seriously, seriously wrong with a society that has somehow arrived that at 10yrs, a car = scrap.

    Worse, in a car of your ilk.

    It's just fundamentally wrong - there's no other way to put it. Anybody who has ever, or even considered, supporting a certain Party, that put this situation in place, really needs their head examined.

    [/rant]

    sorry.......you may resume normal programming now........

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    galwaytt wrote: »
    but there is something seriously, seriously wrong with a society that has somehow arrived that at 10yrs, a car = scrap

    I agree. Lots of models are scrap when they are launched! :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,749 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    I agree. Lots of models are scrap when they are launched! :P

    Touché :D:D

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ok, [rant]
    OP, not an attack on you personally, just a comment in general: but there is something seriously, seriously wrong with a society that has somehow arrived that at 10yrs, a car = scrap.

    Worse, in a car of your ilk.

    It's just fundamentally wrong - there's no other way to put it. Anybody who has ever, or even considered, supporting a certain Party, that put this situation in place, really needs their head examined.

    [/rant]

    sorry.......you may resume normal programming now........
    You had me with you right up until you started blaming the Greens. We Irish have never cared for our cars, and we're showier than most. This, IMO, is the root cause of servicible older cars getting needlessly scrapped.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,749 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Anan1 wrote: »
    You had me with you right up until you started blaming the Greens. We Irish have never cared for our cars, and we're showier than most. This, IMO, is the root cause of servicible older cars getting needlessly scrapped.

    Who said Greens' ?:p

    It's nothing to do with care, or otherwise: they have deliberately 'fixed' the tax and VRT regime to discourage old, and encourage to buy new, because the State gets a new hit when you do scrap something. It's purely financial greed, 'green' has nothing to do with it. If it was 'green' they'd be encouraging the other way 'round.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Who said Greens' ?:p

    It's nothing to do with care, or otherwise: they have deliberately 'fixed' the tax and VRT regime to discourage old, and encourage to buy new, because the State gets a new hit when you do scrap something. It's purely financial greed, 'green' has nothing to do with it. If it was 'green' they'd be encouraging the other way 'round.

    Ugh, let's not get into that debate, we know where it leads.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Who said Greens' ?:p

    It's nothing to do with care, or otherwise: they have deliberately 'fixed' the tax and VRT regime to discourage old, and encourage to buy new, because the State gets a new hit when you do scrap something. It's purely financial greed, 'green' has nothing to do with it. If it was 'green' they'd be encouraging the other way 'round.
    I agree with you about scrappage, I just don't think it's as central a factor as the way cars are treated here. When's the last time you tried to find a 10 year old car with a FSH in this country?;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭bmwguy


    I agree with you all that its a shame to scrap such a car, but thats all it is, a lump of metal, not a living organism! Presumably dealers would offer me something as a trade in against a new car? Getting a diesel card for work, now just need a diesel vehicle. It really is sale proof privately, trust me. I've had in on donedeal and all I got were a few offers of swaps for silly things and an 18 year old trying to be a test pilot, but assured me he had insurance sorted out, when I asked to see his licence I was handed a provisional.


  • Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bmwguy wrote: »
    I currently have a 2001 530i sport model, beautiful car but I now want to change it for a new car in 2011. As my own will be 10 years old, ...................I'm looking for a Mondeo/Insignia/Mazda 6 class of car, diesel of course!

    Why diesel ?
    All of the cars you list are sh1t in comparison to what you are currently driving :) If you're only changing because of the car's age you may well regret it when you have some weeks spent in your new snore mobile. A 2001 530i is an epically savage motor that is so :cool:


    Edit, just saw your above post about the diesel card, my commiserations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ok, [rant]
    OP, not an attack on you personally, just a comment in general: but there is something seriously, seriously wrong with a society that has somehow arrived that at 10yrs, a car = scrap.

    Worse, in a car of your ilk.

    It's just fundamentally wrong - there's no other way to put it. Anybody who has ever, or even considered, supporting a certain Party, that put this situation in place, really needs their head examined.

    [/rant]

    sorry.......you may resume normal programming now........
    I agree with you fully... All the scrappage idea is very wrong when you destoy a fully working vehicle to buy a new one. It is a serious environmental problem, but the Greens seems to be looking at the small picture only :(.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,402 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Anan1 wrote: »
    I agree with you about scrappage, I just don't think it's as central a factor as the way cars are treated here.

    The number one reason anyone would even think about scrapping a good condition '01 BMW 530 is the high motor tax relative to the very low motor tax on a new fuel efficient car that would replace it

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Idleater


    Seweryn wrote: »
    All the scrappage idea is very wrong when you destoy a fully working vehicle to buy a new one.

    I agree, and I was delighted when I was able to "trade in" my 00 Yaris for an almost new 10 reg. The dealer gave me effectively the scrappage 1500 for it which suited me as while I possibly could have gotten more privately, it removed the hassle for me of having two cars parked outside and taking time off work etc to placate tyre kickers.

    The dealer informed me also that he had sold it on pretty quickly to someone learning to drive which was great news since the car was in PWO and had just got another 2 year NCT.

    The only reason for change for me was that I wanted something new and shiny but it was great to hear that I'm doing my bit with a newer "eco friendly car", and my old working car isn't being scrapped as EOL. However it was a Yaris which to some might be a suitable reason _to_ scrap it :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭johnos1984


    Christ if your going scrapping it I'd nearly buy it the €1500 and lock it up in my shed for summer/Sunday use only.

    Madness. Where will we get classics in the future


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭VolvoMan


    bmwguy wrote: »
    I agree with you all that its a shame to scrap such a car, but thats all it is, a lump of metal, not a living organism!
    :rolleyes:


    So that's to say it's OK to destroy anything unless it is a living thing?

    In any country other than Ireland and the UK your car would still be worth thousands. It's just the beleaguered view of our countries, where on any car's tenth birthday it automatically becomes sh1te, that cars like these are worthless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭johnos1984


    VolvoMan wrote: »
    :rolleyes:


    So that's to say it's OK to destroy anything unless it is a living thing?

    In any country other than Ireland and the UK your car would still be worth thousands. It's just the beleaguered view of our countries, where on any car's tenth birthday it automatically becomes sh1te, that cars like these are worthless.

    I think our attitude to age and high mileage is going to change in the next few years as regards car which have been clearly looked after.

    People can't afford new cars and there is a lack of second hand cars on the market. Also a lot of cars are more than capable of doing high mileage these days


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,749 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    johnos1984 wrote: »
    I think our attitude to age and high mileage is going to change in the next few years as regards car which have been clearly looked after.

    ....well, I hope so. I'm not going to mothball by sig car in the meantime, though, and it's just turned 164k miles and running sweetly.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    bmwguy wrote: »
    I agree with you all that its a shame to scrap such a car, but thats all it is, a lump of metal, not a living organism! Presumably dealers would offer me something as a trade in against a new car? Getting a diesel card for work, now just need a diesel vehicle. It really is sale proof privately, trust me. I've had in on donedeal and all I got were a few offers of swaps for silly things and an 18 year old trying to be a test pilot, but assured me he had insurance sorted out, when I asked to see his licence I was handed a provisional.

    i'll swap you for a 97 vectra with nct that you can scrap this year and i'll give you €500 i'm quite serious


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭johnos1984


    Tigger wrote: »
    i'll swap you for a 97 vectra with nct that you can scrap this year and i'll give you €500 i'm quite serious

    Won't work as you can't just buy an older car to scrap.

    AFAIK you have to own it 12 months


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    Any details of the car bmwguy? Mileage, condition etc. Do you still have it listed?

    Perhaps there is a bigger reason why no one is buying it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    VolvoMan wrote: »
    In any country other than Ireland and the UK your car would still be worth thousands. It's just the beleaguered view of our countries, where on any car's tenth birthday it automatically becomes sh1te, that cars like these are worthless.
    I just checked some UK sites and a 10yo 530i is still getting £2-3k (sterling) there. Presumably even more in central Europe. I might look at selling mine in the UK, though they do tend to be quite clueless about importing cars into their own country.
    Anan1 wrote: »
    I agree with you about scrappage, I just don't think it's as central a factor as the way cars are treated here. When's the last time you tried to find a 10 year old car with a FSH in this country?;)
    /wave :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    johnos1984 wrote: »
    Won't work as you can't just buy an older car to scrap.

    AFAIK you have to own it 12 months

    shaddupandgetawayfromyfivessrs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭MuffinsDa


    Anan1 wrote: »
    I agree with you about scrappage, I just don't think it's as central a factor as the way cars are treated here. When's the last time you tried to find a 10 year old car with a FSH in this country?;)

    I have a 10 year old call with FSH! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    MuffinsDa wrote: »
    I have a 10 year old call with FSH! :)

    i have a 33 year old car with fsh
    its a swimmer tho


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 704 ✭✭✭itarumaa


    It is a bit crazy to read this, have to admit.

    In Finland a car like this costs about 10 000e and in Ireland the value of the car is basically zero.

    I personally would like to drive more a nice BMW than some Renault diesel, and with the difference of the price considering the new car and keeping the BMW, well for that money you can buy a lot of petrol and motor tax.

    But I quess I have not learned the Irish way:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭bmwguy


    Any details of the car bmwguy? Mileage, condition etc. Do you still have it listed?

    Perhaps there is a bigger reason why no one is buying it.

    Am I allowed post a link, its on donedeal


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭johnos1984


    bmwguy wrote: »
    Am I allowed post a link, its on donedeal

    Yes post


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭bmwguy




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    bmwguy wrote: »
    Well thats a "tad" overpriced to start with, thats why you have not sold it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭johnos1984


    Too expensive at that price.

    It could also do with a good clean and new pictures


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 151 ✭✭greenermetals


    we operate a licenced atf and we are getting some real clinkers with the scrappage, audi A6 automatics with 50,000 miles, loads of bmws, lexus 400s. People in the garages are saying that people just cant afford to run them, pay the road tax, its a sin, but they all have to be scrapped. some of the cars are that nice you would lose sleep if you thought about them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    er thats says €4750


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    You wanted to scrap a car as nice as that OP:eek::eek::eek:? Not attacking you personally but that would be complete madness to put a car as good as that off the road for good.

    That car has almost everything going for it apart from the almost €5k asking price and the fact it could do with a little tidying up(needs a proper detail) externally and internally.

    If you do those two things, it will sell, and put it up for sale on BMW enthusiast's websites, realistically it's people on those that will be after something like that, not 'ordinary' car enthusiasts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭Bits_n_Bobs


    I have a 530i too, same year, lower mileage but without the sports package. The motor tax is savage and they are thirsty buggers around town but honest to god your mad to be even considering scrapping it?

    I am guessing it will be easily good for 150k miles or 13 years before it gives you much, if any trouble and they are comfy beasties to be puttering about in - much more so than any of the alternative motors the OP mentioned. Can't understand how you could even consider scrapping it - utter waste of a fine motor.

    I do agree that its crazy to have a tax system that encourages getting rid of older cars on the basis that a new car is 'greener' - utter ****e as the environmental cost of building a new car is much much greater than keeping an older one going.


  • Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That car has almost everything going for it apart from the almost €5k asking price and the fact it could do with a little tidying up(needs a proper detail) externally and internally.

    If you do those two things, it will sell, and put it up for sale on BMW enthusiast's websites, realistically it's people on those that will be after something like that, not 'ordinary' car enthusiasts.

    Good points, I reckon with a realistic asking price it would go (€3300/€3500 ish). Lots of folk won't be put off by the need of a detail, the way it is now shows it in it's real light. It's not bad at all at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭VolvoMan


    bmwguy wrote: »

    Fcuk me, that's a bloody lovely car!

    How on earth were you even thinking of scrapping that!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,402 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    VolvoMan wrote: »
    Fcuk me, that's a bloody lovely car!

    How on earth were you even thinking of scrapping that!?

    Let me guess, motor tax? :(

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,533 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    nice car, im looking at an E39 or E60, it if were a manual it be very tempted, I reckon put it up for E3950. it ridiculous how little that car will get now given how great it is. I reckon if you scrap your car, you will be worse off financially and car wise wont get a patch on the 530... would you consider downgrading to a 520?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    FFS... Cars are so f*cking cheap in Ireland to buy .. and to run .. argh :(

    I'd buy that car in a heartbeat if the steering wheel was on the other side


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    Lots of talk of it being overpriced, i think its bang on to the honest. Someone could walk away with that for €4200, bargain.
    I'd be surprised if you didn't sell it after this thread OP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,749 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Anan1 wrote: »
    ...When's the last time you tried to find a 10 year old car with a FSH in this country?;)

    ...mmm, good question. Oh, I know ! My sig does, but it's only 17yrs old..........sigh.......does that make it a 'fail' ? :p:D

    OP, lovely, lovely car, but 'tis a bit overpriced, and only because of it's annual tax. Take a lower price, cash, and the world is your oyster, shopping-wise......

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ...mmm, good question. Oh, I know ! My sig does, but it's only 17yrs old..........sigh.......does that make it a 'fail' ? :p:D
    One swallow does not a summer make.;)


  • Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This case highlights quite nicely how utterly nonsensical the scrappage scheme is. Here we have a nice car, with plenty of life left in it, whose continued presence on the road would foster employment through whatever maintenance/repairs it may need in the future. A perfectly sensible situation.

    Instead, to help out their good friends SIMI, the government incentivise the driving public to scrap perfectly good cars and send their money overseas to the car manufacurers of Germany, Japan and various other countries, but not before SIMI take their cut.

    Good for SIMI, bad for the balance sheet of the country.


  • Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lots of talk of it being overpriced, i think its bang on to the honest. Someone could walk away with that for €4200, bargain.
    I'd be surprised if you didn't sell it after this thread OP.

    I'd be very surprised if he got over €3500 for it (and I think it's a savage car), fingers crossed for the OP I'm wrong though :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,749 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Anan1 wrote: »
    I agree with you about scrappage, I just don't think it's as central a factor as the way cars are treated here. When's the last time you tried to find a 10 year old car with a FSH in this country?;)
    Anan1 wrote: »
    One swallow does not a summer make.;)

    ...it doesn't make it one when you have a Flock of them, either...:rolleyes: :)

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ...it doesn't make it one when you have a Flock of them, either...:rolleyes: :)
    You've lost me completely now. I'm making the point that well-minded older cars are very hard to find in Ireland, and that this lack of care ultimately results in cars having to be scrapped prematurely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭johnos1984


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ...it doesn't make it one when you have a Flock of them, either...:rolleyes: :)

    In fairness most Irish cars don't have a fully stamped up service history regardless of age unless its a specialty make. I've looked at countless cars for sale with a 'full service history' which have only one stamp in the book for the first service and none for the 5 after


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