LPG filling station - help

Nikolaus

Hello,

I brought my LPG car from Italy and I'm checking a filling station in Dublin. Unfortunately, the Castle Service Station in Kilmore Rd don't do it more…
Before going to Donabate, maybe someone who know can confirm me please if it' in sevice.
I'm using LPG cars from '98 and I'll continue till I can. In the continent the LPG prices are the half of petrol. Honestly, I can't understand why not reach people are still running with petrol!
Thanks

Eoin

Hi Nikolaus, I've moved your post to a new thread as the one you posted in originally was quite an old thread.

Atlantic Dawn

I'd telephone garages before travelling, there's little or none supplying it for cars anymore in this country.

The listed one below closed down about 5 years ago...

http://www.ilpga.ie/autogas-outlets.php#Dublin

DUBLIN

Blakes Service Station

Blakes Cross
Sutton
01 8437346

frank gooding

There is no advantage in Ireland unfortunately

LPG is about the same price as diesel.

Short sited Gov I'm afraid.

Can you get somewhere that fills Gas bottles to do it?
I think there maybe a place in Rathcoole that fills bottles.

Should be the same process as filling a gas bottle in a car as the ones for the BBQ.

Nikolaus

Thanks for the advices!
I got one in Newbridge : J. H. Mcloughlin & Company, Ltd Ballymany, Droichead Nua, Co. Kildare,​ tel- 045 431281.
Unfortunately the price is 1,19€. In Italy and in France is around 0,65€.
I will continue to check and let you know. I think in this hard times can be a good solution for many people. But also for the environment: my car emit 118g/km co2 with petrol and 0,02g/km with LPG.

Salutes ​

l_aga

Nikolaus wrote: »

Thanks for the advices!
I got one in Newbridge : J. H. Mcloughlin & Company, Ltd Ballymany, Droichead Nua, Co. Kildare,​ tel- 045 431281.
Unfortunately the price is 1,19€. In Italy and in France is around 0,65€.
I will continue to check and let you know. I think in this hard times can be a good solution for many people. But also for the environment: my car emit 118g/km co2 with petrol and 0,02g/km with LPG.

Salutes ​

There will be LPG station soon in Kilcullen near M9 with a price €0.69/L
They are going to install lpg conversion kits in vehicles too:)

LK_Dave

I don't know how up todate this is but here goes

http://www.ilpga.ie/autogas-outlets.php

Anan1

Nikolaus wrote: »

my car emit 118g/km co2 with petrol and 0,02g/km with LPG.

I very much doubt that.:)

l_aga

LK_Dave wrote: »

I don't know how up todate this is but here goes

http://www.ilpga.ie/autogas-outlets.php

It is not up-to-date as far as I know, but in case I am wrong about that I know that the ones which offer LPG are selling it at a price so high that it is not worth converting a car to LPG.

l_aga

Anan1 wrote: »

I very much doubt that.:)

I have to disappoint you as it might be true. For example if you convert your diesel car in LPG you are gaining more power, moreover your diesel burns the diesel better so the emission of pollution is less and you save a little on usage of diesel too.

Anan1

l_aga wrote: »

I have to disappoint you as it might be true. For example if you convert your diesel car in LPG you are gaining more power, moreover your diesel burns the diesel better so the emission of pollution is less and you save a little on usage of diesel too.

FFS, use your head! LPG may well produce less CO2 than petrol, but to even entertain the idea that an LPG-powered car could produce only 0.02g/km is just ridiculous. A quick google would have told you that LPG emits around 80% of the CO2 per kWh produced by oil.

l_aga

Anan1 wrote: »

FFS, use your head! LPG may well produce less CO2 than petrol, but to even entertain the idea that an LPG-powered car could produce only 0.02g/km is just ridiculous. A quick google would have told you that LPG emits around 80% of the CO2 per kWh produced by oil.

OK you are right, the difference will not be so huge but anyway doing LPG conversion is still worth and cost-effective.

mullingar

+1 Alan,

Interesting techy doc here http://www.epa.gov/ttnchie1/ap42/ch01/final/c01s05.pdf

Carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), and nitrous oxide (N2O) missions are all produced during LPG combustion. Nearly all of the fuel carbon (99.5 percent) in LPG is converted to CO2 during the combustion process. This conversion is relatively independent of firing onfiguration. Although theformation of CO acts to reduce CO2 emissions, the amount of CO produced is insignificant compared to the amount of CO2 produced. The majority of the 0.5 percent of fuel carbon not converted to CO2
is due to incomplete combustion in the fuel stream

There is a reduction in CO and HC emissions

And I FYP:

my car emit 118g/km co2 with petrol and 0,02g/km with LPG a 200m2 solar panel on the roof

Anan1

l_aga wrote: »

OK you are right, the difference will not be so huge but anyway doing LPG conversion is still worth and cost-effective.

Not here, it's not. I imported an LPG car a few years back, and there was only one remaining place in Dublin to refill - I had the kit removed. It's all down to taxation - LPG flourishes when it's given special tax breaks relative to petrol & diesel - when the tax advantages are removed, it disappears.

l_aga

Anan1 wrote: »

Not here, it's not. I imported an LPG car a few years back, and there was only one remaining place in Dublin to refill - I had the kit removed. It's all down to taxation - LPG flourishes when it's given special tax breaks relative to petrol & diesel - when the tax advantages are removed, it disappears.

With the price 0.69/L when you know you can save about 35% on petrol costs isn't it worth again?

CiniO

l_aga wrote: »

There will be LPG station soon in Kilcullen near M9 with a price €0.69/L
They are going to install lpg conversion kits in vehicles too:)

Where did you get that info?
Any link or sth?

Anan1

l_aga wrote: »

With the price 0.69/L when you know you can save about 35% on petrol costs isn't it worth again?

Again, I can't see how this is possible without a tax break. Do you have a link?

l_aga

The website is under construction. But I know this from the first hand as I know the poeple who gonna run it. I will let you know when it is open.

Mar4ix

l_aga wrote: »

I have to disappoint you as it might be true. For example if you convert your diesel car in LPG you are gaining more power, moreover your diesel burns the diesel better so the emission of pollution is less and you save a little on usage of diesel too.

Im afraid, diesel cars wont be converted in LPG car, as gas need ignition to explode, and ignition is only in petrol cars. diesel cars have no sparkplug, just glow plugs, which only heat up burning chamber before diesel cold start.

l_aga

Mar4ix wrote: »

l_aga wrote: »

I have to disappoint you as it might be true. For example if you convert your diesel car in LPG you are gaining more power, moreover your diesel burns the diesel better so the emission of pollution is less and you save a little on usage of diesel too.

Im afraid, diesel cars wont be converted in LPG car, as gas need ignition to explode, and ignition is only in petrol cars. diesel cars have no sparkplug, just glow plugs, which only heat up burning chamber before diesel cold start.

So my car will be the first diesel with lpg in ireland. Im 1000% sure u can convert diesel to LPG. Google it..

unkel

l_aga wrote: »

Im 1000% sure u can convert diesel to LPG. Google it..

Convert a diesel engine to LPG and I am 100% sure it will take you 1000 years before you've made back the money on cheap fuel

mullingar

l_aga wrote: »

So my car will be the first diesel with lpg in ireland. Im 1000% sure u can convert diesel to LPG. Google it..

You can do it, BUT, you need to modify the engine head to include a sparkplug, This can be placed in the glowplug site then you have to sort out an ignition system AND you need to drop the compression from around 16:1 to 10:1,!

Major major headache and not that ecomical.

Wait, found a good site for it: http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/diesel.html

Mar4ix

l_aga wrote: »

Im 1000% sure u can convert diesel to LPG. Google it..

well, probably it is possible ... making holes in engine head.... where is around 24 atmospheres pressure (petrols have 8-14), also run another ecu unit , and add some sensors, which read timing and sets timing for sparkplugs plus ignition coil. hmmm ....
i am not engineer, but i wouldnt say, it would worth at all do such job on diesel engine, in my native country(Latvia), good 30 % of all cars drives on gas, and never saw any diesel with lpg.....
well , if there any, id like to see... just out of curiosity.

Mar4ix

mullingar wrote: »

You can do it, BUT, you need to modify the engine head to include a sparkplug, This can be placed in the glowplug site then you have to sort out an ignition system AND you need to drop the compression from around 16:1 to 10:1,!

Major major headache and not that ecomical.

Wait, found a good site for it: http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/diesel.html

thanks for link,i had such idea in my head, but didnt thought it is possible. Any way, that work on engine would cost way more, than youd save on gas. also that site states, that that car wont be anymore diesel again, but advantage of petrol cars, you may choose whatever fuel drive, one day on petrol, other on gas. but i am afraid after diesel engine conversion, you wont anymore drive it on diesel.

l_aga

unkel wrote: »

l_aga wrote: »

Im 1000% sure u can convert diesel to LPG. Google it..

Convert a diesel engine to LPG and I am 100% sure it will take you 1000 years before you've made back the money on cheap fuel

Well it depends on how much mileage you do. U dont buy diesel to go for rolls on Sunday only but when u drive a lot.. Anyway u make 10% savings plus about 35 more horse power plus u r more environmental friendly.

Mar4ix

l_aga wrote: »

Well it depends on how much mileage you do. U dont buy diesel to go for rolls on Sunday only but when u drive a lot.. Anyway u make 10% savings plus about 35 more horse power plus u r more environmental friendly.

If you do, just let us now, would love go over, and have look on it, also labour bill for converting diesel engine in to gas engine.

forgot mention, im afraid roadtax wont be lower, if i am not mistaken.

mullingar

mullingar wrote: »

You can do it, BUT, you need to modify the engine head to include a sparkplug, This can be placed in the glowplug site then you have to sort out an ignition system AND you need to drop the compression from around 16:1 to 10:1,!

Major major headache and not that ecomical.

Wait, found a good site for it: http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/diesel.html

I'm guessing that he's talking about combined diesel/LPG system. Basically just a smallish volume of LPG metered into the air intake of any diesel vehicle.

Mar4ix

also forgot say, as gas burning temp is higher than petrol, there is some issues with that, a specially small engines, usually recommendations gas conversion worth do on engines from 1.8 or 2 litre , i dont know exactly what the problem there were. Any way , i wouldn't do this. i think Renault selling cars with already factory integrated gas+ petrol system (saw one couple years ago on Polish reg numbers). Not sure they offering such option in Ireland.

l_aga

mullingar wrote: »

l_aga wrote: »

So my car will be the first diesel with lpg in ireland. Im 1000% sure u can convert diesel to LPG. Google it..

You can do it, BUT, you need to modify the engine head to include a sparkplug, This can be placed in the glowplug site then you have to sort out an ignition system AND you need to drop the compression from around 16:1 to 10:1,!

Major major headache and not that ecomical.

Wait, found a good site for it: http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/diesel.html

U dont need to make any holes in engine. All what you need is just a mixture of gas 20% and diesel 80% thats it. You should all update on that. The technology is progressing very fast in this field. I have just confirmed that you make even more that 10% saving.

Mar4ix

l_aga wrote: »

U dont need to make any holes in engine. All what you need is just a mixture of gas 20% and diesel 80% thats it. You should all update on that. The technology is progressing very fast in this field. I have just confirmed that you make even more that 10% saving.

Ok, thats interesting, id love to see that.

CiniO

Mar4ix wrote: »

also forgot say, as gas burning temp is higher than petrol, there is some issues with that, a specially small engines, usually recommendations gas conversion worth do on engines from 1.8 or 2 litre , i dont know exactly what the problem there were.

Never heard of it.
I had cinquecento 900cc converted to LPG and it was running no problems.
Engine definitely wasn't heating excessively.

Mar4ix

CiniO wrote: »

Never heard of it.
I had cinquecento 900cc converted to LPG and it was running no problems.
Engine definitely wasn't heating excessively.

there is problem with sensors, not with cooling issue. well, as i said, i am not expert in to lpg field.
in my native country i have jeep with petrol 4.7 v8 , even then i am not considered for lpg, as not driven often, also prices qiet high, good quality one cost from around 1 k euro (parts and fitting),all cheaper make trouble ... after a while.

jsd1004

Why not buy red LPG cylinders that cost about 40cent a litre, buy a transfer pump and nozzle and off you go. You would obviosly declare this to your local tax office after a good lubing with vaseline.

Mar4ix

jsd1004 wrote: »

Why not buy red LPG cylinders that cost about 40cent a litre, buy a transfer pump and nozzle and off you go. You would obviosly declare this to your local tax office after a good lubing with vaseline.

i think there were some issue with safety and pressure.

jsd1004

Mar4ix wrote: »

i think there were some issue with safety and pressure.

Bottle gas is lower pressure than car tank hence you need a pump. As with all gas/petrol you can blow yourself up if you do something stupid.

Guy:Incognito

Mar4ix wrote: »

forgot mention, im afraid roadtax wont be lower, if i am not mistaken.

Motortax for pre08 cars is CC based so it's irrelevant what fuel i sbeing burnt, the motor tax rate stays the same.

l_aga

Anan1 wrote: »

l_aga wrote: »

OK you are right, the difference will not be so huge but anyway doing LPG conversion is still worth and cost-effective.

Not here, it's not. I imported an LPG car a few years back, and there was only one remaining place in Dublin to refill - I had the kit removed. It's all down to taxation - LPG flourishes when it's given special tax breaks relative to petrol & diesel - when the tax advantages are removed, it disappears.

What you mean by special tax break? Different motor tax?

Guy:Incognito

l_aga wrote: »

What you mean by special tax break? Different motor tax?

fuel taxes

DF1

l_aga, are you sure about the price of the LPG in Kilcullen ?

It's just I have been buying LPG and the prices I have paid are, €0.99/l in carlow, €1.10/l in Waterford.

McLoughlins in Newbridge are rediculous at something like €1.39/l, off their heads.

Del2005

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Motortax for pre08 cars is CC based so it's irrelevant what fuel i sbeing burnt, the motor tax rate stays the same.

Isn't the CO2 system based on manufactures figures? So even if you reduce the CO2 output, which is highly unlikely since manufactures cheat for their official figures, the tax band stays the same. Or if you can reduce it then they should base it off the cars actual CO2 output not manufactures lies.

l_aga

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

fuel taxes

The LPG is taxed lower than petrol or diesel so the price is possible:)
Moreover, you can claim VAT on LPG if you run a company or you are a sole trader:)

l_aga

DF1 wrote: »

l_aga, are you sure about the price of the LPG in Kilcullen ?

It's just I have been buying LPG and the prices I have paid are, €0.99/l in carlow, €1.10/l in Waterford.

McLoughlins in Newbridge are rediculous at something like €1.39/l, off their heads.

I am 100% sure about the price:) Yeah, I've heard about the Newbridge ridiculous price of LPG.

WitAce

Guys,
I can confirm what l_aga has already written. We're starting next week and price will be 69 cents per Liter incl. VAT. We're also going to convert cars using the latest IV generation sequential conversion kits. There will be a website soon and I will keep you posted. If you have any queries you can catch me on info@vv-tech-lpg.com

l_aga

Hi Everybody,

just to update, the business has been officially launched.

All info on:

www.vv-tech-lpg.com

Mr Benevolent

I'd love to get a conversion, but driving to Kilcullen and back for a fill-up would negate the savings. Maybe when there's a station closer to me.

l_aga

It's understandable. We are going to expand the LPG filling station network gradually so hopefully there will be one closer to you too at some stage

Next filling stations are going to be located on N7.

unkel

l_aga wrote: »

the business has been officially launched

Best of luck with your venture!

l_aga

unkel wrote: »

Best of luck with your venture!

Thank you

bigroad

Well done Sir ,its about time somebody got the finger out.Best of luck.My own diesel bill is 120euro per week ,so i hope to change to lpg soon.

SyntheticPaddy

l_aga wrote: »

It's understandable. We are going to expand the LPG filling station network gradually so hopefully there will be one closer to you too at some stage

Next filling stations are going to be located on N7.

Good work I_aga -Dublin however is crying out for LPG stations! People travelling up to Drogheda to get fuel!

An Ri rua

SyntheticPaddy wrote: »

Good work I_aga -Dublin however is crying out for LPG stations! People travelling up to Drogheda to get fuel!

Aha. I see you searched and found this thread after all. Yep, this looks like the state of play for LPG'ers right now.