westie x yorkie = workie !

gucciali

hi guys , i have a two yr old westie whom i love dearly, she accidently got pregnant by my friends yorkie:eek: I was horrified when my friend told me they were "stuck together", anyway now the deed is done so have researched on the net and seemingly these pups she will be having will be a certain breed called "workies" !:D



just want to know do any of you have a dog like this and what are they like? .
Also a lot of people i have mentioned this to have asked "can i have a pup how much are they? " .
I dont think they will be worth money as they will be cross breed but people are saying they will as its a full breed westie and a full breed yorkie as parents.
Please dont think i'm just looking for money as I already explained my dog got pregnat by accident !

dahat

as with all accidental matings these should be stopped asap.
a vet can give an injection to stop the bitch concieving the puppies......

as for the resulting puppies i am sure some will desire them but is it worth it really?
is your bitch in good condition?
also why did she come in contact with a dog while in heat?

sorry to be a bit critical but owners should be oh so carefull when bitches are in heat..........

andreac

When did they mate? You can still being her to the vet and get something similar to the morning after pill to stop the pregnancy if she was mated very recently if you wanted to. Going through an unncessary birth is a big risk for the bitch so please consider this.
Theres no such thing as Workies, its just a made up name for a mongrel, or a cross breed.

It really wont matter that the parents were pedigrees, as these pups are essentially mongrels.

No one can tell what these pups will be like as all cross breeds have theor own personalities and traits. It will be pot luck really. Some could take the mothers and some the fathers and some mixture of both.

Whispered

Hi OP -I don't have much experience with either breed. I know they are both feisty .

"Workies" and other crosses are not recognised breeds. However you may be able to sell them - some people have no problem buying crosses despite the amount of free mongrels available in the pound.

Following recent threads people might be reluctant to give advice unless you specifically ask (some people take offence). This forum can be a great informative resource so if you need any advice there are loads of posters here who'd be able to give you great tips on finding good homes, looking after a pregnant bitch, whelping pups etc

Cherry Blossom

Whispered wrote: »

Following recent threads people might be reluctant to give advice unless you specifically ask (some people take offence).

Think I better sit this one out!!

Shazanne

I'm with dahat and andreac on this one. I think you should consider a trip to the vet.
These "experimental" breeds have to be stopped. It's not fair to be mixing two very individual breeds and then having puppies that have no history, medical or otherwise. It seems to be the in thing to do this now - there's even labradoodles, which I think is actual cruelty.
If, as you say, your bitch got pregnant accidentally then you did not even want a litter of puppies so I suggest you do the fair thing all round and put an end to this.

dahat

alot of people here will offer opinions you wont like but if you are to continue the pregnancy best thing to do is to get your reasearch off google as all the info is there........
people here are very critical of non pedigree or unplanned matings by people.....some with good reason.
this i have seen in alot of threads in this section......

dahat

Whispered wrote: »

Following recent threads people might be reluctant to give advice unless you specifically ask (some people take offence). This forum can be a great informative resource so if you need any advice there are loads of posters here who'd be able to give you great tips on finding good homes, looking after a pregnant bitch, whelping pups etc

this we can help with unless the thread is hijacked by opinionated people........
on reading back the OP seems to be set on going ahead with the pregnancy so maybe it is best that advice is given to protect and care for the bitch to the fullest?

Whispered

Dahat - the OP may not know that there are other options. If you find posts overly opinionated please report them rather than cause yet another thread to be pulled off topic.

dahat

Whispered wrote: »

Dahat - the OP may not know that there are other options. If you find posts overly opinionated please report them rather than cause yet another thread to be pulled off topic.

point made and taken on board.....

gucciali

thanks for the advice shes 4 weeks by now . my bitch is a fabulous both in looks and personality she has a beautiful temperment as does the yorkie , both really are fab dogs . as I said this was an accident and was horrified when we found out but we have by now accepted that she is having pups . they will be very well loved and looked after and am sure I'll have no problem finding loving homes as a few people have already asked .

just one question - how is this cruel ? as mentioned in an above post.

gucciali

Shazanne wrote: »

I'm with dahat and andreac on this one. I think you should consider a trip to the vet.
These "experimental" breeds have to be stopped. It's not fair to be mixing two very individual breeds and then having puppies that have no history, medical or otherwise. It seems to be the in thing to do this now - there's even labradoodles, which I think is actual cruelty.
If, as you say, your bitch got pregnant accidentally then you did not even want a litter of puppies so I suggest you do the fair thing all round and put an end to this.

may sound silly but I didn't know this could be done with dogs , even at 4-5 wks ?

Cherry Blossom

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adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Think I better sit this one out!!

<Unecessary statement>

OP - Both Westies and Yorkies are often known to be of 'difficult' temprament, hard to train and can have behavior issues in the wrong hands. <Assumptions removed> You should make an appointment with your vet to at least discuss your options and enquire about having your dog spayed which would prevent the problems in future you have addressed in both threads.

gucciali wrote: »

may sound silly but I didn't know this could be done with dogs , even at 4-5 wks ?

An emergency spay is the procedure that would be done here.

Zapperzy

gucciali wrote: »

may sound silly but I didn't know this could be done with dogs , even at 4-5 wks ?

She can have an emergency spay at nearly any stage in the pregnancy.

gucciali

Zapperzy wrote: »

She can have an emergency spay at nearly any stage in the pregnancy.

I might consider this ,thanks .

andreac

gucciali wrote: »

thanks for the advice shes 4 weeks by now . my bitch is a fabulous both in looks and personality she has a beautiful temperment as does the yorkie , both really are fab dogs . as I said this was an accident and was horrified when we found out but we have by now accepted that she is having pups . they will be very well loved and looked after and am sure I'll have no problem finding loving homes as a few people have already asked .

just one question - how is this cruel ? as mentioned in an above post.

Looks and personality are not enough and valid reasons for bitches to have pups. Both parents should always be health tested for relevent problems for the breed and only healthy, problem free dogs should be used for breeding.

Whispered

gucciali wrote: »

I might consider this ,thanks .

It is worth your while thinking about it. Pregnancy can be a risky time for a bitch. There is a lot of specialist care involved and things can go wrong. If you don't want pups it is the kinder thing to do in my opinion.

gucciali

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Dear Lord the Westie threads are comming at me thick and fast, I can't take it!

OP - Both Westies and Yorkies are often known to be of 'difficult' temprament, hard to train and can have behavior issues in the wrong hands. I am assuming from this and your other thread that you are relatively new to dog ownership and would ask you to reconsider continuing this pregnancy. It would be very difficult to find suitable homes for puppies of this type and there is no way you could know where they would end up. You should make an appointment with your vet to at least discuss your options and enquire about having your dog spayed which would prevent the problems in future you have addressed in both t
An emergency spay is the procedure that would be done here.

hi adrenalinejunkie did you ever own a westie or a yorkie ? my westie was so easy to train has a lovely personality and temprament as does my friends yorkie , I think maybe each individual dog has there own personality rather than the breed .:)

Cherry Blossom

gucciali wrote: »

hi adrenalinejunkie did you ever own a westie or a yorkie ? my westie was so easy to train has a lovely personality and temprament as does my friends yorkie , I think maybe each individual dog has there own personality rather than the breed .:)

Yes I have a 6 month old Westie of excellent temprament but that is down to her training, she has problems with hyperactivity, food intollerances and a hormone imbalance, she is getting spayed on Tuesday

gucciali

andreac wrote: »

Looks and personality are not enough and valid reasons for bitches to have pups. Both parents should always be health tested for relevent problems for the breed and only healthy, problem free dogs should be used for breeding.

hi andreac I understand this. This is not why my dog is pregnant , of course it's nothing to do with what a dog looks like , as I said this was an accident , I was horrified and after a while accepted it , just thought the obvious thing to do was let her go on to have the pups whilst looking after her and doing the best we can for her , however |I didnt realise there are other options which I may consider .

lrushe

I would like to second the spay / termination. I have personally witnessed one and it really would be the best option for an unwanted litter in your circumstances. It is not cruel at all, on the contary it would be the most humane option imo.

Cherry Blossom

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lrushe wrote: »

I would like to second the spay / termination. I have personally witnessed one and it really would be the best option for an unwanted litter in your circumstances. It is not cruel at all, on the contary it would be the most humane option imo.

<Removed - OP did not ask for advice on homing pups or raising them>

lynski

There is another term for these pups http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/fourcheterrier.htm

goat2

my opinion is, the resulting pups will be beautiful, great characters, as both are small breed, mother should have no problem giving birth, friends and family would love to have one i am sure, and why not keep on for your family

gucciali

goat2 wrote: »

my opinion is, the resulting pups will be beautiful, great characters, as both are small breed, mother should have no problem giving birth, friends and family would love to have one i am sure, and why not keep on for your family

thanks goat ,:) my thoughts exactly , but when I posted on here it seemed like it was the worst thing in the world :eek:

Cherry Blossom

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<It was unnecessary to inform the OP I would be posting about this thread in feedback, irrelevant to this thread>

Cherry Blossom

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gucciali wrote: »

thanks goat ,:) my thoughts exactly , but when I posted on here it seemed like it was the worst thing in the world :eek:

<Again information on whelping was not asked for>

pitbull_fanatic

Zapperzy wrote: »

She can have an emergency spay at nearly any stage in the pregnancy.

i never new that! you learn sumting new every day!! cheers!

goat2

gucciali wrote: »

thanks goat ,:) my thoughts exactly , but when I posted on here it seemed like it was the worst thing in the world :eek:

i dont know why they are all for stopping the pregnance, when there will be beautiful pups that will be beautiful pets for good homes, if she were in pups to a pitbull, i would be afraid, but not when the father is a beautiful small dog like herself, i bet people will fall in love with them as soon as they see them, i look forward to the results, you will have to put up a pic of her and her babies when they come

Shanao

goat2 wrote: »

i dont know why they are all for stopping the pregnance, when there will be beautiful pups that will be beautiful pets for good homes, if she were in pups to a pitbull, i would be afraid, but not when the father is a beautiful small dog like herself, i bet people will fall in love with them as soon as they see them, i look forward to the results, you will have to put up a pic of her and her babies when they come

You're kidding right? I'd walk up to a pitbull before a yorkie any day:p. In fact, i have done so even though I have never kept a restricted breed, but I would never approach a toy breed without checking it out carefully first. The main problem people have with this really is not the fact that these are going to be beautiful pups; they probably will be. The problem is what happens afterwards. There are so many dogs abandoned every single year because of a multitude of different issues (issues we as a species seem to have), and you will find at least one or two westie/yorkie crosses in these rescue centres because of this abundance. Reputable breeders breed to try and eliminate health problems/ temperament problems in their particular breed. Both yorkies and westies are prone to food intolerance so it's quite likely these pups will be. Perhaps their parents haven't had any problems, but what about the grandparents and greatgrandparents? Without being able to guarantee that I wouldn't take the risk. If you rehome one to a friend and your friend comes back to you a year later saying my pup is scratching himself to death with some skin problem, he's totally trying to dominate the house and he refuses to be toilet trained will you be prepared to take that pup back? These are all the things you will need to think about. Terriers are terrors after all.
I'm in no way saying that you wont be able to care for them and you will probably be able to find them good homes, but OP I would advise that you think on this carefully. Are you sure your dog will be able to endure it? Is she old enough to manage a litter of pups? You will need to have a vet on call even in the middle of the night because any number of things can happen to a whelping bitch.
As a few have already said; the best thing is to get in contact with your vet as soon as possible and get some advice from them.

gucciali

Shanao wrote: »

You're kidding right? I'd walk up to a pitbull before a yorkie any day:p. In fact, i have done so even though I have never kept a restricted breed, but I would never approach a toy breed without checking it out carefully first. The main problem people have with this really is not the fact that these are going to be beautiful pups; they probably will be. The problem is what happens afterwards. There are so many dogs abandoned every single year because of a multitude of different issues (issues we as a species seem to have), and you will find at least one or two westie/yorkie crosses in these rescue centres because of this abundance. Reputable breeders breed to try and eliminate health problems/ temperament problems in their particular breed. Both yorkies and westies are prone to food intolerance so it's quite likely these pups will be. Perhaps their parents haven't had any problems, but what about the grandparents and greatgrandparents? Without being able to guarantee that I wouldn't take the risk. If you rehome one to a friend and your friend comes back to you a year later saying my pup is scratching himself to death with some skin problem, he's totally trying to dominate the house and he refuses to be toilet trained will you be prepared to take that pup back? These are all the things you will need to think about. Terriers are terrors after all.
I'm in no way saying that you wont be able to care for them and you will probably be able to find them good homes, but OP I would advise that you think on this carefully. Are you sure your dog will be able to endure it? Is she old enough to manage a litter of pups? You will need to have a vet on call even in the middle of the night because any number of things can happen to a whelping bitch.
As a few have already said; the best thing is to get in contact with your vet as soon as possible and get some advice from them.

I get what you are saying here . maybe I should have went for termination earlier on , don't know if I could go through with it now . Am accustomed to the idea of having pups , also if I did terminate how would it affect the dog , surely she knows she is pregnant.

toadfly

While I usually agree with the particular posters who are saying an emergency spay is the right thing to go, I cant agree this time.

She is four weeks pregnant, imo it would be a horrible thing to do to a dog when the prenancy isnt threatening her life. If the male was a much larger dog then yes but when the male is roughly the same size as her I couldn't do it. Not in a million years would I do that to a dog of mine.

I am all for neutering, I think every single person that has a dog/bitch should be neutering unless its for completly ethical breeding ie to elinimate health problems, to better the breed etc but not when the dog is already pregnant.

OP do what you think is best, only you can make the decision for your dog. But please if you go ahead with the pregnancy please please get her spayed when your vet recommends it.

Best of luck.

dahat

have been reading another thread of yours about walking your dog........
it seems your dog was in heat while walking it and from this i reckon you need some education bout dogs etc...............

gucciali

dahat wrote: »

have been reading another thread of yours about walking your dog........
it seems your dog was in heat while walking it and from this i reckon you need some education bout dogs etc...............

dahat , that thread of mine was referring to about one and half maybe two yrs ago , funny how you ar all so physic you can all know for yourselves how my dog was in heat ,some people with great skills on these forums ready to jump at newcomers who ask a question.

Also I have a good knowledge and education about dogs and how rude of you to say otherwise .

ISDW

Go and see the vet, make sure that the bitch is fit and healthy. Also get some puppy replacement milk to have in the house just in case. I think the Royal Canin is the best.

The breeds are both small, so you shouldn't need pig rails hopefully in the whelping box. A tip that I picked up on a husky forum, and one that we have used with a rescue bitch that had pups was to use a plastic kids paddling pool as the whelping box. Line it with vet bedding, fleece blankets etc, but you can take them out to wash very easily, and clean the plastic pool as well. I use Milton sterilising tablets and the spray cleaner. Once the pups start to eat on their own, I used the dishes that go under pot plants, again, very easy to clean and no real expense.

Make sure that you have puppy food in and are feeding that to the mum, she needs plenty of extra nutrition at this time and when she's feeding the pups.

Its a cold time for her to be having the pups, so please keep her and the pups inside, somewhere really warm, a heat lamp is a great idea, or one of those pads that you put into the microwave to heat up, but make sure that the whelping box has an area that is a bit cooler, so that Mum and the pups can get away from the heat if they need to.

Weigh the pups when they're born, and then regularly after that, so that you can make sure they are all thriving and putting on weight.

You have time, so I would recommend you go onto Amazon or somewhere similar and get a book called "Book of the Bitch" and read and re-read it before the litter arrive, it is a fantastic book - kind of the breeders bible really.

Tranceypoo

goat2 wrote: »

i dont know why they are all for stopping the pregnance, when there will be beautiful pups that will be beautiful pets for good homes, if she were in pups to a pitbull, i would be afraid, but not when the father is a beautiful small dog like herself, i bet people will fall in love with them as soon as they see them, i look forward to the results, you will have to put up a pic of her and her babies when they come

Yes beautiful pups, beautiful pets, until the novelty wears off and they end up in the pound or a rescue centre. All puppies are gorgeous and cute and lovely and you just want to cuddle them but they are not toys, they are expensive and time consuming and many many people soon lose interest. Not to mention the fact that op has no experience of a pregnant bitch & puppies before and I don't know her circumstances financially but a litter of pups cost money, special bedding, heating, food, injections. The mother doesn't just pop them out one day and lo and behold 8 cute puppies all lovely and healthy and ready to go to a nice loving home. Please be realistic about this

Tranceypoo

gucciali wrote: »

dahat , that thread of mine was referring to about one and half maybe two yrs ago , funny how you ar all so physic you can all know for yourselves how my dog was in heat ,some people with great skills on these forums ready to jump at newcomers who ask a question.

Also I have a good knowledge and education about dogs and how rude of you to say otherwise .

If it happened 2 years ago why were just posting about it in the last few days?

Rabbitandcavy

...and this is why people need to stop making excuses and spay their dogs. We really don't need more ''workies''.

gucciali

ISDW wrote: »

Go and see the vet, make sure that the bitch is fit and healthy. Also get some puppy replacement milk to have in the house just in case. I think the Royal Canin is the best.

The breeds are both small, so you shouldn't need pig rails hopefully in the whelping box. A tip that I picked up on a husky forum, and one that we have used with a rescue bitch that had pups was to use a plastic kids paddling pool as the whelping box. Line it with vet bedding, fleece blankets etc, but you can take them out to wash very easily, and clean the plastic pool as well. I use Milton sterilising tablets and the spray cleaner. Once the pups start to eat on their own, I used the dishes that go under pot plants, again, very easy to clean and no real expense.

Make sure that you have puppy food in and are feeding that to the mum, she needs plenty of extra nutrition at this time and when she's feeding the pups.

Its a cold time for her to be having the pups, so please keep her and the pups inside, somewhere really warm, a heat lamp is a great idea, or one of those pads that you put into the microwave to heat up, but make sure that the whelping box has an area that is a bit cooler, so that Mum and the pups can get away from the heat if they need to.

Weigh the pups when they're born, and then regularly after that, so that you can make sure they are all thriving and putting on weight.

You have time, so I would recommend you go onto Amazon or somewhere similar and get a book called "Book of the Bitch" and read and re-read it before the litter arrive, it is a fantastic book - kind of the breeders bible really.

Hi ISDW , thanks for your advice
There i no question of my dog having her pups outside as she is a well love family pet and has grown quite acccustomed to the couch even though she has her own bed!
I plan to get a whelping box and keep it in the kitchen .

she has already seen a vet and is in good condition.
I used to feed her science hill but on vet's advice have changed her to select gold (sensitive) as she is an expectant mum and this is good nutrition for the puppy's

Whispered

I would recommend somewhere quieter for the whelping box. Maybe if you have a little room off the kitchen or something? Mammy and puppies will want some peace and quiet

dahat

one question..................

how come your bitch was exposed to a male dog while in her fertile period?

liah

dahat wrote: »

one question..................

how come your bitch was exposed to a male dog while in her fertile period?

Does it matter?

The pups are on the way regardless of the answer to this question.

dahat

liah wrote: »

Does it matter?

The pups are on the way regardless of the answer to this question.

yes indeed but i am just curious as to how it happened if it was accidental given she was in her fertile period.....

gucciali

dahat wrote: »

yes indeed but i am just curious as to how it happened if it was accidental given she was in her fertile period.....

To answer you question dahat , I was away on holiday and left her with a friend of mine , she wasn't in heat at the time !

dahat

gucciali wrote: »

To answer you question dahat , I was away on holiday and left her with a friend of mine , she wasn't in heat at the time !

well then if i offended you when i referred to you lacking education etc,i aplogise.........

gucciali

Tranceypoo wrote: »

If it happened 2 years ago why were just posting about it in the last few days?

Tranceypoo to answer your question I just found the animal forum on boards.ie last night.

wolfpawnat

My Yorkie got out while in heat but we didn't realise this, I was her owner but my family looked after her while I was in college. We brought her to the vet as we didn't know what to do. He said she was indeed pregnant, but we didn't know by what and she in a miniature Yorkie and there was a lot of large dogs around. On these grounds she was neutered and the puppies removed. The vet said it appears to have been a large dog alright. She may not have survived had it went ahead.

I had both Yorkies and Westies. They are both lovely breeds of dog. If you are intending to continue the pregnancy, I would not charge for them and if you are getting interested people already then thats good! But you should not charge for mongrels. There are pros and cons to pure bred and half breed dogs. It is up to you whether you allow her have the pups. Since Westies and Yorkies are both small breeds I cannot see complications with the pups sizes!

gucciali

Tranceypoo wrote: »

Yes beautiful pups, beautiful pets, until the novelty wears off and they end up in the pound or a rescue centre. All puppies are gorgeous and cute and lovely and you just want to cuddle them but they are not toys, they are expensive and time consuming and many many people soon lose interest. Not to mention the fact that op has no experience of a pregnant bitch & puppies before and I don't know her circumstances financially but a litter of pups cost money, special bedding, heating, food, injections. The mother doesn't just pop them out one day and lo and behold 8 cute puppies all lovely and healthy and ready to go to a nice loving home. Please be realistic about this

Tranceypoo are you suggesting that this is what I actualy think. I find this insulting ,of course I have done my research ,also seen the vet and got good advice , I am well aware of what is needed , also my financial situation is fine thank you very much .Also I don't have experience in raising puppies but my partner has , It's not fair for people to make assumptions when the know nothing about them .

Whispered

OP I think she means the novelty could wear off in their new homes.

This is usually a huge issue for people homing dogs. How to ensure you are choosing a home where they will be happy and safe for life. I really don't think she meant any offense.

dahat

Whispered wrote: »

OP I think she means the novelty could wear off in their new homes.

as can happen with pedigree matings.......
finding good homes is hard with any mating.....

gucciali

Whispered wrote: »

OP I think she means the novelty could wear off in their new homes.

This is usually a huge issue for people homing dogs. How to ensure you are choosing a home where they will be happy and safe for life. I really don't think she meant any offense.

I understand this but while I will honesly do my upmost best to home them to only the best homes (people I know ) or family , I can only do my best ,Also I plan to keep one myself .