Xbox live Banned for life.

jetpack101

The **** at Microsoft just banned my sons profile for life because he changed his Avatar.

He used a custom piece of software to change the colour of his avatar from skin colour to bright green. A friend of his did it for him so he thought it was alright.

When I contacted them this was the reason they gave then locked the forum post so I could not reply.

I understand a ban for a day/week/month but a life ban for such a minor offence.

Bunch of little Hitlers playing god. I hope Bill Gates Choke's on a scabby black micky.

.E_C_K_S.

jetpack101 wrote: »

The **** at Microsoft just banned my sons profile for life because he changed his Avatar.

He used a custom piece of software to change the colour of his avatar from skin colour to bright green. A friend of his did it for him so he thought it was alright.

When I contacted them this was the reason they gave then locked the forum post so I could not reply.

I understand a ban for a day/week/month but a life ban for such a minor offence.

Bunch of little Hitlers playing god. I hope Bill Gates Choke's on a scabby black micky.

While a harsh outcome, you must understand ANY modding is against Microsoft Terms of Service and they are fully entitled to ban your son. sorry

Kinetic^

If your own language is anything to go by, it was probably for abusing other people by text or voice messages.

kirving

If he modified the xbox's software, it could be looked on by microsoft as an attempt to play copied/downloaded games. I think you'll find that microsoft specifically prohibit the use of custom software.

tman

jetpack101 wrote: »

I hope Bill Gates Choke's on a scabby black micky.

Any particular reason it has to be a black one?

Healium

I'm sure that hack can do a lot more than chnge skin colour. Any modifications to an avatar is basically piracy of the avatar marketplace (even though I don't think you can buy green skin )

Lesson learned!

Lenny

Was it a profile ban or a console ban?
I think changing the avatar skin colour is a profile ban.
anyways the software he used to change the colour can do many other things, such as change gamer score etc.
changing your avatars colour is just asking to be banned to be honest, cause if anyone files a complaint against the profile for *anthing* the profile is brought to the moderaters attention & profile colour that is not listed as being in the standard set is an instant ban, if his friend thinks its so safe whny don't you file a complaint against him so he'll get banned shortly

dave1982

Get him a PS3 for christmas,support Sony instead;)

stimpson

jetpack101 wrote: »

Bunch of little Hitlers playing god.

Worse than Hitler. You wouldn't catch Hitler banning people from XBox Live for breaking the terms of their EULA.

jetpack101

It was a profile ban.

While I do understand (somewhat) the terms of use.
Its very harsh to have a lifetime profile ban for something so small. The Avatar was the only thing he changed. As for bad mouthing, he never chats in the lobbies as its just to annoying. He plugs in his headset and if he is not talking to his friends he leaves it sitting on the bed next to him.

Nothing else was done on his profile except the Avatar.

As for my language, I'm really pissed over the issue. More to do with the fact that the ban was so harsh.

Kinetic^
Just because I used bad language dose not mean my son uses it.

TerrorFirmer

You did something you weren't supposed to do. End of, it's that simple. If your son or his friend hadn't been messing around custom software with the intention to modify, this would never have happened. From MS point of view, it's not the skin color or 'only changing the avatar', it's running and using custom software on their console which is a big no no regardless of the reasoning. Good lesson for your son, at least, he won't do it again, and it's only a profile ban, could have been a console one.

Lenny

its got nothing to do witht eh chat, people may even file complaints against people cause their better, their connection or crap or as usual for nothing!
I know what you mean your son used a slight mod, but as far as they're concered he could have done more but they don't need to look any further.
they'll ban him, and no doubt he'll setup a new account shortly and pay for a new memebrship. just count yourself lucky that its just a profile ban & not a console ban as then its not able to go on live at all!

Sabre0001

jetpack101 wrote: »

It was a profile ban.

While I do understand (somewhat) the terms of use.
Its very harsh to have a lifetime profile ban for something so small. The Avatar was the only thing he changed. As for bad mouthing, he never chats in the lobbies as its just to annoying. He plugs in his headset and if he is not talking to his friends he leaves it sitting on the bed next to him.

Nothing else was done on his profile except the Avatar.

As for my language, I'm really pissed over the issue. More to do with the fact that the ban was so harsh.

Kinetic^
Just because I used bad language dose not mean my son uses it.

If you used anywhere near that kind of language on their forum it's no wonder the thread got locked.

They do not know that nothing else was done to his profile / system, etc...In the end, the terms of the EULA were broken (whether read or not, they were agreed to by a party) and thus, warrants the punishment.

jetpack101

Sabre0001 wrote: »

If you used anywhere near that kind of language on their forum it's no wonder the thread got locked.

They do not know that nothing else was done to his profile / system, etc...In the end, the terms of the EULA were broken (whether read or not, they were agreed to by a party) and thus, warrants the punishment.

I simple asked why he got banned as we where not sure what the reason was.

The reply I got was that he had used unverified software to change his Avatar.
Then they locked the post. Simple as that.

As for the comment of "They do not know that nothing else was done to his profile / system, etc..." thats a ridiculous statement. If they knew he changed his avatar then they know if he had done anything else. He didn't

As I have said before but you seem to be ignoring. I agree with a ban if you are in breach of the rules but the ban should fit the offence. A lifetime profile ban for changing an avatar is in my opinion way to harsh.

Its like going to prison for the rest of your life for breaking a read light.

He made a mistake and he knows that now. With some of the comments here I hope to god none of you every get into power.

Jerichoholic

If you're "hacking" your system, you're done. Simple as that.

charlemont

stimpson wrote: »

Worse than Hitler. You wouldn't catch Hitler banning people from XBox Live for breaking the terms of their EULA.

Hitler loves his Xbox

Kells...

Set up a new profile = problem solved

Sabre0001

jetpack101 wrote: »

I simple asked why he got banned as we where not sure what the reason was.

The reply I got was that he had used unverified software to change his Avatar.
Then they locked the post. Simple as that.

As for the comment of "They do not know that nothing else was done to his profile / system, etc..." thats a ridiculous statement. If they knew he changed his avatar then they know if he had done anything else. He didn't

As I have said before but you seem to be ignoring. I agree with a ban if you are in breach of the rules but the ban should fit the offence. A lifetime profile ban for changing an avatar is in my opinion way to harsh.

Its like going to prison for the rest of your life for breaking a read light.
He made a mistake and he knows that now. With some of the comments here I hope to god none of you every get into power.

No, it's not. Profile ban = get different profile = no change.
It's like having to get a new car because you modded the other one when you signed an agreement not to.

An Avatar is one of the more obvious mods - the avatar represents you and if he's glowing green, you can be pretty sure that something is up. It's not those who set up lobbies and you have little idea anything is up til you get a kill and thousands of points for said kill.

You asked a question, they answered it...Otherwise, it's like a merry-go-round as we're seeing. Mailing them for correspondance is probably a better bet...

Grumpypants

It may seem harsh as you are looking at it from the point of view of this this one event. But if you look at it from Microsofts point of view with millions of these cases to deal with each week it is impossible to judge every one of them on their own. Thats why a blanket ban is in place.

Lesson learnt, create a new profile move on.

Liamario

He got what he deserved. The alterations he made are against the terms of service and while MS may not be too worried about someone having a green avatar, they're intention was to nip any future breaches in the bud.
Had your son decided to hack the console so he could cheat in games, then the console would be worthless for online play and rightly so.
Personally, I would have banned the console, as I would have seen the avatar alteration as just a stepping stone on to hacks that affect legitimate players.

jaykhunter

jetpack101 wrote: »

It was a profile ban.

While I do understand (somewhat) the terms of use.
Its very harsh to have a lifetime profile ban for something so small. The Avatar was the only thing he changed.

I imagine that MS just carpet ban anyone that does anything even slightly dodgey in the modding sense; no matter how insignificant. It's sh!t because your crime doesn't fit the punishment, but I guess MS have a zero-tolerance on this stuff.

Profile Ban's not the worst in the world. Who cares about gamerscores anyway? At least you can still use the 360, AND online on another account. Best of a bad situation, really. I bet they've a self-destruct "Brick your 360" button they could've pressed.

Godwin's Law in full effect man, try calm down on the Hitler references!

Zillah

jetpack101 wrote: »

Its very harsh to have a lifetime profile ban for something so small. The Avatar was the only thing he changed.

It's a bit like walking around in public with a loaded weapon. You might only have been using it to scratch yourself but you can't blame the police for arresting anyone with guns in public regardless of what they claim they were to be used for.

Varik

jetpack101 wrote: »

When I contacted them this was the reason they gave then locked the forum post so I could not reply.

They always do that, the reply they give is the last word on the matter and there is no compromise or any possible arguments. If they didn't you would have people relying and complaining or cursing after they get told what happen.

jetpack101 wrote: »

As for the comment of "They do not know that nothing else was done to his profile / system, etc..." thats a ridiculous statement. If they knew he changed his avatar then they know if he had done anything else. He didn't

The moderator who did the ban had no need to look which would require some extra work as the mod was very visible and was probably reported by someone who was bored or angry and saw this as an easier way than reporting you son for being good/bad at a game.

ShaneU

Surely they would ban the console if it has been modded, and not just the profile?

Jim

Running custom software is bannable offence, even if he changed his avatar skin colour or not.

It's like owning a gun illegally, but only using it as a paper weight. You still have the gun.

calex71

charlemont wrote: »

Hitler loves his Xbox

Indeed he does, and has had his own problems with being banned too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfkDxF2kn1I

Shocked it took 2 pages of this thread for this to get posted

TheMooseInNam

jetpack101 wrote: »

As I have said before but you seem to be ignoring. I agree with a ban if you are in breach of the rules but the ban should fit the offence. A lifetime profile ban for changing an avatar is in my opinion way to harsh.

Its like going to prison for the rest of your life for breaking a read light.

Actually, I completely disagree with you on this matter. I think the ban wasn't hard enough. Your son tampered with MS's software to hack into their system. I don't believe that your son didn't know what his friend was doing, I'm sure he's not stupid. Frankly, I'm surprised that your console wasn't banned too.

Online gaming, in general, is rife with cheaters and hackers that are ruining the online experience for other gamers. Xbox Live offer's a brilliant service but it charges it's members for that service. In return, they police the system and remove anyone who carries on like your son!

As a paying member of the Xbox Live service, I have a zero tolerance for anyone attempting to hack the system. We pay decent money to ensure that this doesn't happen. Complaining about the severity of your son's punishment, seems ridiculous to me. He broke the rules and compromised what we all pay money to MS to avoid.

Consider yourself lucky that it's not a console ban.

TheMooseInNam

jaykhunter wrote: »

I imagine that MS just carpet ban anyone that does anything even slightly dodgey in the modding sense; no matter how insignificant. It's sh!t because your crime doesn't fit the punishment, but I guess MS have a zero-tolerance on this stuff.

Profile Ban's not the worst in the world. Who cares about gamerscores anyway? At least you can still use the 360, AND online on another account. Best of a bad situation, really. I bet they've a self-destruct "Brick your 360" button they could've pressed.

Godwin's Law in full effect man, try calm down on the Hitler references!

Jay, as I've just posted, I pay good money to MS to ensure that the servers aren't tampered with. Regardless of the level of hacking, I'm paying to ensure that doesn't happen. MS's zero tolerance is because XBL gold members are paying them to have zero tolerance.

Would you be happy if every person who could write a bit of code or follow a youtube instruction video could unfairly get advantages in games against you? Screw that, I pay to ensure that the system isn't hacked. If an XBL hacker gets banned, that's my money well spent and all honest gamers are better off.

TouchingVirus

There is a great difference between modifying your avatar and modifying game files. The game file mod affects other users, the avatar mod doesn't.

You're not paying your money just to ensure hacking doesn't happen. You're paying for the upkeep of the XBL service and everything that goes with it. A byproduct of this payment is that everybody agrees to the EULA which forbids modifications of any kind. You are not directly paying to stop hacking, and even if you were, a profile mod has no bearing on your XBL experience - it doesn't give the modder any unfair advantage in anything so the high horse can head back to the stable

OP, you are lucky that your console was not banned from xbox live. Your son can just create a new profile and play away, knowing full well never to do anything like this again.

Bob_Harris

tman wrote: »

Any particular reason it has to be a black one?

Any particular reason it can't be?

Or do you just get a warm feeling inside every time you get outraged by "racism"?

jaykhunter

lol, I wrote that because I'm trying to make the poster feel better about his situation

I find these gun analogies complete hyperbole. Permit me to do one of my own : One guy stole a pen from work, the other stole 10 million euros. Both guys get life in prison. Fair? They both did commit a similar crime.

I don't agree with modding but I think changing the colour of a sprite is not a serious offense. I would agree with the banning if the guy started hacking his gamerscore or any mod that gives him an advantage online - but he did not do that. I think that all of those actual cheaters should have their consoles bricked and their credit cards banned, but that is not the case here. His absolutley minor modding did not effect anyone else negatively in the slightest so in my books, I think it's a bit harsh.

That said, it's only a profile ban, so who cares?

Touchingvirus wrote:

a profile mod has no bearing on your XBL experience

Exactly. I gather we're split in 2 camps; one that believes that any modding, no matter how insignificant, should be banned; and the other that believe that minor modding, if doesn't affect anyone else on XBL in the slightest, is ok. I reckon this conversation will just circle because nobody's ever gonna change camp.

cycocycle

I think the simple fact is that there are prescribed levels of punishment for various different levels of breaches of the EULA.
From an MS standpoint they probably receive lots of reports every day and do not have the resources to investigate every one of them. This was a clear breach of the EULA no ifs or buts. Action taken,case closed.
Additionally they dont care who made the modification from their point of view your son has access to software which can be used to hack the console. Take this as a warning not to try any funny stuff,be thankful the console wasnt banned and move on.

War Machine 539

Everyone is making a mountain over a molehill about Jetpacks language. Grow up lads, a bit of swearing when frustrated hardly warrants comment. A lot of users and Mods on this seem to think there holier than thou. It seems to be a style on this. Get real. These words are in the dictionary, if a lexicographer thinks it should be in a dictionary, then were going to use it.

As for the topic on hand, Jetpack I do feel your frustration, but it is a violation of the terms of use, the AVATAR creator is severly limited, I will agree, but modification of software is illegal. Just set up a new profile and learn the lesson. I will say, they should be clamping down on the idiots modding Modern Warfare. But, common sense doesnt appear to be in Microsofts remit.

pH

I presume because you mentioned chatting in lobbies it was a Gold account that was perma-banned - did Microsoft keep the money or did they refund?

This is one thing that has cheesed me off about many many online services - yes ban those you don't want - but what gives them the right to keep the money you paid for their service if they're no longer willing to provide you with a service - I'm not sure if microsoft do refund, but it's one area of online consumer rights that needs looking at ASAP.

Technically you broke their terms and conditions (although avatar modding is normally done on a PC editing the gamertag - no console modification is required) fine, but why do so many companies feel they can keep the money in this situation?

DARK-KNIGHT

jetpack whats your problem here?

do u want the honest and rule obiding users of xboxlive that pay premium to stop the likes of YOUR SON ruining it for us all to have pity on your son or you????

NEWSFLASH GET REAL MY MAN, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A CONSOLE BAN PUT IN PLACE HE DESERVES IT FOR MODDING A SYSTEM,,

BTW U MENTION HE PLUGS THE HEADSET IN AND JUST PUTS IT BESIDE HIM AND DOESNT USE THE VOICE CHATTING?? WHY EXACTLY?

now get real will u i say fair play MS about time they clamped down on smart arsed kids ruining live experience for us all..

rant over and btw OP u should be apologising to MS for your son after all isnt it the rearing that we give our kids?? are u teaching him to be dishonest and cheat? what a perfect father u are..

Bob_Harris

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

jetpack whats your problem here?

do u want the honest and rule obiding users of xboxlive that pay premium to stop the likes of YOUR SON ruining it for us all to have pity on your son or you????

NEWSFLASH GET REAL MY MAN, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A CONSOLE BAN PUT IN PLACE HE DESERVES IT FOR MODDING A SYSTEM,,

BTW U MENTION HE PLUGS THE HEADSET IN AND JUST PUTS IT BESIDE HIM AND DOESNT USE THE VOICE CHATTING?? WHY EXACTLY?

now get real will u i say fair play MS about time they clamped down on smart arsed kids ruining live experience for us all..

rant over and btw OP u should be apologising to MS for your son after all isnt it the rearing that we give our kids?? are u teaching him to be dishonest and cheat? what a perfect father u are..

lol. You're so profound with your rant.

Learn to spell, use capital letters were appropriate and format your posts a bit better. It reads like a borderline retard wrote it.

mlindsay215

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

jetpack whats your problem here?

do u want the honest and rule obiding users of xboxlive that pay premium to stop the likes of YOUR SON ruining it for us all to have pity on your son or you????

NEWSFLASH GET REAL MY MAN, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A CONSOLE BAN PUT IN PLACE HE DESERVES IT FOR MODDING A SYSTEM,,

BTW U MENTION HE PLUGS THE HEADSET IN AND JUST PUTS IT BESIDE HIM AND DOESNT USE THE VOICE CHATTING?? WHY EXACTLY?

now get real will u i say fair play MS about time they clamped down on smart arsed kids ruining live experience for us all..
rant over and btw OP u should be apologising to MS for your son after all isnt it the rearing that we give our kids?? are u teaching him to be dishonest and cheat? what a perfect father u are..

Totally agree with everything said here.

thebullkf

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

jetpack whats your problem here?

do u want the honest and rule obiding users of xboxlive that pay premium to stop the likes of YOUR SON ruining it for us all to have pity on your son or you????

NEWSFLASH GET REAL MY MAN, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A CONSOLE BAN PUT IN PLACE HE DESERVES IT FOR MODDING A SYSTEM,,

BTW U MENTION HE PLUGS THE HEADSET IN AND JUST PUTS IT BESIDE HIM AND DOESNT USE THE VOICE CHATTING?? WHY EXACTLY?

now get real will u i say fair play MS about time they clamped down on smart arsed kids ruining live experience for us all..

rant over and btw OP u should be apologising to MS for your son after all isnt it the rearing that we give our kids?? are u teaching him to be dishonest and cheat? what a perfect father u are..

gerroff xb and learn how to write properly:rolleyes:

stimpson

Bob_Harris wrote: »

Learn to spell, use capital letters where appropriate

Is there some unwritten rule on boards that a post pointing out spelling mistakes must have a spelling mistake.

Wonker.

TouchingVirus

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

jetpack whats your problem here?

do u want the honest and rule obiding users of xboxlive that pay premium to stop the likes of YOUR SON ruining it for us all to have pity on your son or you????

NEWSFLASH GET REAL MY MAN, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A CONSOLE BAN PUT IN PLACE HE DESERVES IT FOR MODDING A SYSTEM,,

BTW U MENTION HE PLUGS THE HEADSET IN AND JUST PUTS IT BESIDE HIM AND DOESNT USE THE VOICE CHATTING?? WHY EXACTLY?

now get real will u i say fair play MS about time they clamped down on smart arsed kids ruining live experience for us all..

rant over and btw OP u should be apologising to MS for your son after all isnt it the rearing that we give our kids?? are u teaching him to be dishonest and cheat? what a perfect father u are..

Christ, where do I start? Oh, I know - how about reading the full thread, realising that all his child did was change the colour of his avatar's skin? He didn't mod a lobby, he didn't give himself an unfair advantage in a game or ruin anybody's Live experience. Also, how is this "cheating"? Cheating what?

I couldn't give a flying fcuk about the skin color of an avatar, and anybody who does needs to cop themselves on.

Next time, try to understand the issue

TheMooseInNam

TouchingVirus wrote: »

Christ, where do I start? Oh, I know - how about reading the full thread, realising that all his child did was change the colour of his avatar's skin? He didn't mod a lobby, he didn't give himself an unfair advantage in a game or ruin anybody's Live experience. Also, how is this "cheating"? Cheating what?

I couldn't give a flying fcuk about the skin color of an avatar, and anybody who does needs to cop themselves on.

Next time, try to understand the issue

As I've already written, his son (or son's friend ) hacked the XBL system. This is against the "code of conduct" set out by MS for everyone using XBL. The code of conduct is there to make sure XBL remains a fair system, where everyone involved plays on a level playing field.

It doesn't matter that he only changed the colour of an avatar. He used software that could can be used for any number of things. If MS allowed him to get away with that, then they are in breach of my contract with them and every other XBL gold subscriber.

The kid did wrong, he's been punished (albeit, not enough for my liking, as I've mentioned already that I've zero tolerance for anyone tampering with XBL) for his mistake. His father, the OP, needs to acknowledge that what his son did was far from ok.

Touching Virus, you need to look at the bigger picture here. This isn't about the colour of his avatar. This is about keeping XBL safe and secure so it remains an enjoyable experience for everyone involved. Surely you can grasp that concept?

BlitzKrieg

mod warning

anymore misbehaving will recieve a week's ban.

warning for stimpson for personal abuse, even if its misspelled.

DARK-KNIGHT while I mostly agree with your position, you take it a tiny bit too far and off the issue in the last bit. Better to keep it civil.


Everybody be civil or be banned.

stimpson

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

warning for stimpson for personal abuse, even if its misspelled.

That's fair enough. I did break the rules after all.

No offense intended to Bob_Harris. Maybe I should have just quoted Alanis Morrisette.

TouchingVirus

@Blitzkreig: My apologies

@Moose: I'm well aware what the T&C and Code of Conduct is there for. I am a gold subscriber myself. However I think you're applying some incorrect logic to this situation.

The OP's son didn't "hack the system", which is the worst turn of phrase. He modified his profile container so he could have a different skin colour. Once again, I'll reiterate that he hasn't slanted the playing field for any xbox live user (subscriber or not), the change does not affect anybody else. The potential for other modifications with the same software is inadmissable, it's like nailing a shoplifter because at some stage he might use those skills to rob a knife and kill somebody.

I have an offline profile on my console, were I to change my skin colour to red and hop online for a game update I would not expect Microsoft to scan my console for irregularities in that profile and ban the console because of it. It wouldn't be fair. To use the gun analogy from earlier, if I owned a gun and shot somebody, should no member of my household be allowed own a gun because of my actions? Of course they should, provided they meet all the necessary requirements. In the same way, as long as other profiles on that console accessing xbox live are not modified it is only fair that they are allowed to. Profile changes are profile specific, they are not cause for a console ban, stating otherwise is ridiculous in my opinion. And apparently, it's Microsoft's opinion too. Now if I modify the hardware, say to play pirated games, this is a system-wide change and necessitates a console ban.

The only reason the profile got banned is because of the very general clause of "No modifications allowed" which isn't designed to protect you from funky skin colours, it's designed to protect you against other stuff that is much more to do with xbox live and the XBL experience.

Lantus

Microsoft are right fo this banning. Many Live gold users like myself pay for a service that is free from modders and hackers, it annoys the life out of me when you see 'unusual' elements on live that you know are hacked. The icons and letters in usernames is a biggy. It's the thin end of the wedge and MS are right to stamp it out with a big boot.

Not sure whats worse, the fact that your son has illegally modified his console or that you feel justified to come onto a public form to protest it's not right, when clearly it is.

My advice would be to confiscate your sons 360 and ground him. Another valuable lesson taught. Also, get the friends gamertag and report him.

TheMooseInNam

TouchingVirus wrote: »

I have an offline profile on my console, were I to change my skin colour to red and hop online for a game update I would not expect Microsoft to scan my console for irregularities in that profile and ban the console because of it. It wouldn't be fair.

Of course it would be fair for you to get a ban! You're knowingly in breach of the Code Of Conduct. It doesn't matter if it's a minor infringement or a major one. It's quite obvious that you're on here to justify your own actions. Trying to get you to understand the bigger picture is pointless.

If you are stupid enough to knowingly tamper with software that could potentially get you banned from XBL, then you deserve to get banned. Coming on here and trying to defend your actions is ridiculous. Just be thankful that Stephen Toulouse is far more lenient in his punishment and enforcement than I would be. I would be completely in favour of every console getting scanned for tampering every time XBL is accessed.

DARK-KNIGHT

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

mod warning

anymore misbehaving will recieve a week's ban.

warning for stimpson for personal abuse, even if its misspelled.

DARK-KNIGHT while I mostly agree with your position, you take it a tiny bit too far and off the issue in the last bit. Better to keep it civil.


Everybody be civil or be banned.[/QUOTE sorry blitz didn't mean to sound personal at the end of my post can I point out that bob Harris called me a borderline retard?? That's really personal abuse IMO anyways apologies and thanks!!

Ray

War Machine 539

Children grow up! Boohoo Dark Knight, Im sure if you kept your tone civil, abuse can be avoided. As for the people who want to be pedantic about it, Did this kids Avatar effect your gaming experience? Some guy said he pays for Xbox Live to be free of Hackers and Modders, were not getting our monies worth in any case, but a kids avatar isnt worth this debate. The primary issue is Microsofts inability to discipline actual breaches of these rules. Modern Warfare is RIDDLED with Mods and Hacks, yet, Microsoft feel their time is better spent keeping Avatars the right colour. He did break the rules, however in a way that doesnt effect core gameplay. He pimped his profile. Its effecting no-one except himself. Now Im assuming most people commenting on this are adults, and I have to say, If an adult is effected so deeply by an Avatar that has green skin, they are a sad mess and should probably hire a life coach. This is a glaring contradiction on Microsofts part, the kids avatar is a soft target. Maybe they should concentrate on the idiots destroying gameplay. Oh and seeing as this particular lobby are apparently English laureates, I for one am not, so if you have any issues regarding my spelling, feel free to keep them to yourself.

War Machine 539

TheMooseInNam wrote: »

Of course it would be fair for you to get a ban! You're knowingly in breach of the Code Of Conduct. It doesn't matter if it's a minor infringement or a major one. It's quite obvious that you're on here to justify your own actions. Trying to get you to understand the bigger picture is pointless.

If you are stupid enough to knowingly tamper with software that could potentially get you banned from XBL, then you deserve to get banned. Coming on here and trying to defend your actions is ridiculous. Just be thankful that Stephen Toulouse is far more lenient in his punishment and enforcement than I would be. I would be completely in favour of every console getting scanned for tampering every time XBL is accessed.

By that rationale we should lock up someone who gets a speeding ticket with a murderer. Hes pointing out the idiocy of Microsofts systems for dealing with breaches of there rules. Im betting you just lack skill in games and find the need to take solace in thinking EVERYONE is hacking and modding. When the midlife crisis is over, that will pass!

peejay1986

I can't see anything wrong with a profile ban. He should consider himself lucky and take that as a warning. It's not as if they have rendered his XBox useless. He can still play his games and add his friends on his new profile.

One things for sure, I bet he won't do it again on his new profile!

Karmafaerie

jaykhunter wrote: »

I find these gun analogies complete hyperbole. Permit me to do one of my own : One guy stole a pen from work, the other stole 10 million euros. Both guys get life in prison. Fair? They both did commit a similar crime.

War Machine 539 wrote: »

By that rationale we should lock up someone who gets a speeding ticket with a murderer.

No, to quote Jay here, these "examples" are hyperbole.

If you knowingly sign an agreement that says that any modification will be penalised, and then modify, then you should be penalised.

If you lived in a country where the laws were that robbing a pencil is the same as robbing €10 million, or that a speeding ticket equated to murder, then yes you should fully expect the law to reprimand the acts equally.

MS say that they will ban you if you modify.
This is clearly and repeatedly laid out.
You have to agree to this.
So if you break it, you get banned.

Simples.