Future of International Rules

munsterdevil

Does the game have a future, do you think the games should go ahead or should they be scrapped altogether? Personally, I think neither side have that much interest and the sport does neither game any good, therefore I voted "Yes".

dartbhoy

munsterdevil wrote: »

Does the game have a future, do you think the games should go ahead or should they be scrapped altogether? Personally, I think neither side have that much interest and do no good to any game, therefore I voted "Yes".

I think the game should have been scrapped a number of years ago,it's of no benefit to either team IMO.

User Friendly

Didnt vote as dont care whether its scrapped or not,no option for me to choose this.

Anyway,like most things If the money men back the series then it will continue,but low TV viewing figures followed by poor attendances will spell the end for the game as advertisers will look elsewhere to throw money at.

hogflem

Have a look at www.worldfootynews.com,and scroll down the opening page and judge for yourself whether they'd lose out if the mixed rules were to to be stopped!

munsterdevil

hogflem wrote: »

Have a look at www.worldfootynews.com,and scroll down the opening page and judge for yourself whether they'd lose out if the mixed rules were to to be stopped!

It's only ONE man's opinion

rebel girl 15

I think the players are in favour of it tbh, and I would be as well for that reason. Look at it from their point of view, they have an opportunity to play for their country and every two years they get to go on a trip to Australia Look at the support they have in comparision to the shinty game, the hurling equivalent that basically very few know is on this weekend.

the game is cleaner, but the biggest thing I think is the difference in the football, the one used in the rules series is lighter, as far as I know its a size 4 as well.

munsterdevil

User Friendly wrote: »

Didnt vote as dont care whether its scrapped or not,no option for me to choose this.

Well there's not much point putting in an option of don't care because if a person doesn't care about it they shouldn't even go into the thread:rolleyes:

baztard

You might want to wait until the series is actually over this year before you sart jumping to conclusions about its success.

Xavi6

Speaking as an AFL fan in Australia, the nation is pretty much split on whether it should be canned or not. A lot of the opinions centre around the Irish being soft and a bunch of whingers, and the hybrid is basically a horrible bastardisation of the great Aussie game.

I don't necessarily subscribe to those theories, but the whole thing looks a bit soft given the first test. Looked like both sides had been told to watch themselves and the only sniff of a bit of action came towards the end when Brendan Murphy (I think it was) tried to push Sam Gilbert off a mark. Gilbert didn't know whether to hit him or move away and in the end just stood there.

I know the players both love having an opportunity to represent their country as it's the only chance they get, but if the first game sets the tone for the future then bin it.

mrgaa1

The game is finished. The rules have been tinkered so far in favour of Ireland and yet after last weeks debacle it shows we're not as good as we think we are.
We need to promote GAA elsewhere, Britain, continental Europe, and get it going there. We should be looking to get last years All-Ireland hurling final shown in as many countries as possible, in HD, and show what we have.
I preferred when there was a bit of roughness in the game - perhaps we need to look at some of rugby players taking part who can well handle the physical play.
I thought I'd never say this but I'm starting to agree with Mickey Harte :eek:

Clareman

I think the folks in charge have managed to remove all intensity out of the game, players are too frightened to do anything, you can't have a contact sport with no contact, I'm not saying that you've to go back to the free for all of a few years back but there has to be a happy medium, to me it's too stop start at the moment, it needs to be speeded up

Diabhal Beag

Every GAA fan I ask says they think it should be stopped. My aussie friends don't even care it exists and seems that only the minority of Irish fans are keeping it alive.

A ton of the better players are playing club finals at this stage anyway.

Clareman

Irish people going to the matches in Australia and the fact that the first test is played regionally in Ireland helps numbers, if it really wants to be an international spectacle they'll have to refine the rules a bit more, either that or keep it as the challenge match it is now.

Personally I would have it every 2 years with the all star teams from the previous 2 years selected along with 5 managers picks.
Bring back contact, they are grown men, let them play
Suspensions in the other code isn't good enough, try fines, or removing their all stars, or expenses, something

sideofbacon

To be fair,of course the players are in favour of it.....sure isnt it a free holiday to Australia next time around.Any Inter County player will tell you that!Get yourself on the panel this year try cement your place and Bob's your Uncle you'l be in Melbourne next year!!:cool:

Clareman

If I was to be a marketing person I would be having the games in neutral countries each year, there are plenty of ex-pats/sports nuts around the place to sell out 50,000 stadiums, it would also increase the whole "international" feel to it, have it over a 4 week period but only have the main teams in for the 2 games over the last 2 Saturdays, get some underage games going as well.

munsterdevil

baztard wrote: »

You might want to wait until the series is actually over this year before you sart jumping to conclusions about its success.

It doesn't matter to me if the game next Saturday is entertaining or not, it does nothing for either game

Shane10

munsterdevil wrote: »

It doesn't matter to me if the game next Saturday is entertaining or not, it does nothing for either game

i hate this argument it does nothing for either game...so what its not supposed to. its 2 games a year where AFL/GAA players get to put on there national jersey and try and combine the 2 games. nothing more nothing less and before and after the 2 games we all forget about it till it comes round again. get over it if people hate it dont bloody watch it or moan about it to people who like it.

munsterdevil

Shane10 wrote: »

i hate this argument it does nothing for either game...so what its not supposed to. its 2 games a year where AFL/GAA players get to put on there national jersey and try and combine the 2 games. nothing more nothing less and before and after the 2 games we all forget about it till it comes round again. get over it if people hate it dont bloody watch it or moan about it to people who like it.

The fact of the matter is, you can't combine two different sports, I mean you don't see rugby and soccer trying to "compromise" their rules do you?

Clareman

Actually you do see rugby league and union mix it up from time to time, usually 1 half of each game, but they do try

The issue is that you have 2 games with no clear international outlet, most sports do but Aussie Rules and Gaelic Football don't, so they are trying to make a hybrid sport close to each sport.

IMVHO, the reason the game is struggling now is cause the physicality and agression is being taken out of it, I've no doubt that both teams are very geared up to represent their country but the game is being tinkered with too much and now we are being left with a game of touch Aussie Rules with a round ball

rebel girl 15

munsterdevil wrote: »

The fact of the matter is, you can't combine two different sports, I mean you don't see rugby and soccer trying to "compromise" their rules do you?

I disagree with you on that, I think the AFL and Gaelic can be combined, we just need to find a happy medium in the physicality stakes

IIRC rugby was invented when Webb Ellis picked up the ball and ran instead of passing it with is foot, since those games branched off and became completely independent of each other, so it can't come back together!

munsterdevil

Clareman wrote: »

Actually you do see rugby league and union mix it up from time to time, usually 1 half of each game, but they do try :)l

I heard of that in the 1990s but haven't heard of it since, but even so, those two sports have a massive amount more in common than Football and Aussie Rules

munsterdevil

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

I disagree with you on that, I think the AFL and Gaelic can be combined, we just need to find a happy medium in the physicality stakes

IIRC rugby was invented when Webb Ellis picked up the ball and ran instead of passing it with is foot, since those games branched off and became completely independent of each other, so it can't come back together!

I don't really get your point here on they never coming back together, no one said they should or would .

Anyway, my main point is the differences between soccer and rugby are numerous, as are the differences between Gaelic Football and Aussie Rules, you don't see people looking for a compromised game between the two codes of football as it would be ridiculous. Likewise, it is stupid to make a compromised game of Aussie Rules and Gaelic Football.

Lastly, the story of Webb Ellis picking up a ball and running with it, thus creating the game of rugby cannot be verified;)

Clareman

I would say that it would be easier to merge Gaelic Football with rugby or soccer easier than it would be to merge soccer and rugby, football has a lot of the same skills as soccer and physicality wouldn't be an issue in rugby

To answer the Ops question, should the series be scrapped, no I don't think so because it's an outlet for both codes outside their home countries, but if the question was should it be continued in it's current form, I would say no as it could be so much better

User Friendly

munsterdevil wrote: »

Well there's not much point putting in an option of don't care because if a person doesn't care about it they shouldn't even go into the thread:rolleyes:

Well i dont care if its scrapped or not,But guess what,i went to limerick last sat eve and im going to croke park tommo eve with the Mrs.
I must point out i bought the croke park tickets before the limerick game,other than that,there is no way i would be going due to the poor entertainment ive seen so far.

eroo

The secret to the Series surviving, which I think it should, is to play it every 2-3 years. Preferably 3.

Look at the Lions tour; if that took place every year it would lose it's appeal as it would become the standard. This is happening to the Series imo. I never really got into it until this year. If it was deemed a special occasion/event to be held every 2-3 years, people would look forward to it a lot more I think.

What is wrong with the play is a complete lack of physicality. As someone said, it was like watching tag Aussie Rules with a round ball.

Address these two issues and the Series would be a great spectacle imo.

Gipo3

Ireland will tour down under next year then there will be a break of one year.

Clareman

I would be in favour of having tours ever 2 years, in the years when the soccer world cup and olympics aren't on (although that could conflict with the Rugby WC) but also varying where the games take place, I would encourage playing it in different countries, I'm sure Canada, US, Hong Kong, South Africa would all be able to fill stadiums for 2 match's with ex-pats alone, throw in every 3rd event in 1 of the home countries and you've a nice break for all the players as an incentive to make the team.

DDC1990

Whats the point in scrapping it? The players who play enjoy it obviously, as they wouldnt play if they weren't bothered. Some of the 50,000 who were in Limerick enjoyed it, and im sure some of the 60-70,000 will enjoy it in Croke Park. Also its another 2 packed houses to add to the GAA/AFL coffers.
You get to see some stars of the games playing. Bernard Brogans goal the last day was one of the best i've seen in any sport. When else would you get to see a player as good as Adam Goodes playing? Also how great is it for Seán McDermott, Leighton Glynn and the lads from the "lesser" teams to play in front of a crowd like that?
Yes its not AFL and its not GAA, but to be honest there doesnt seem to be any major downside, besides the fact that some internet whingers say they were bored. Most of them probably went expecting a good punchup.

hisholinessnb

I voted no on this.
I have little interest in these games but as long as there are a) people who want to play them and b) people who will go to watch them, then why should they be scrapped?

If you don't like the games, don't watch them. But don't go trying to stop other people playing or watching a game they ARE interested in.

thered

i thinks its a great game looking forward to game on sat night in croker i think just cause the players arent killing each other people find it a bit less exciting,
but as ill be bringing my 8yrs old son think less of the bloodsports will suit,:D

munsterdevil

Vindicated, another crap game, the sport needs to be scrapped immediately

JSK 252

No, I dont think it should be scraped but what bemuses me is that this year TG4 had the broadcasting rights to televise the games live which in my opinion completely lost the appeal for many people simply because they couldnt stand listening to Irish language commentary for 72 minutes and might not be bothered as a result to wait for the highlights on rte. i know myself I couldnt stand the gibber jabber of not understanding half of what the commentators were saying and I got an A2 in higher level Irish in my leaving cert last year. Its like as though they mumble their words because they know they can!

O Riain

would anyone be in favour of provincial teams facing off against states in aus? the only problem with this would be
a) lack of country representation
b) most of the aussie rules teams/players hail from melbourne, most cities outside of melbourne(victoria) only have one team(including sydney(nsw) who have one with the swans) and these are poor in comparison to the rest

but it would create more games, and POSSIBLY, more appeal?

dartbhoy

From the bit of the game I saw last night there was nothing to persuade me that this rules game should be scrapped,I can't see no benefits in this for GAA players.

Xavi6

O Riain wrote: »

would anyone be in favour of provincial teams facing off against states in aus? the only problem with this would be
a) lack of country representation
b) most of the aussie rules teams/players hail from melbourne, most cities outside of melbourne(victoria) only have one team(including sydney(nsw) who have one with the swans) and these are poor in comparison to the rest

but it would create more games, and POSSIBLY, more appeal?

That could be done as State of Origin.

For example, there's plenty of West Australians playing in Victoria even though the state just has two teams.

flahavaj

Compromise Rules is a loada boll*x IMO. As Mickey Harte said all it does is put our best players in the shop window to be poached by AFL clubs. And I don't buy this whole argument about every player's dream being to represent their country - my hole. You ask any lad raised in a GAA environment what his dream is and they'll all tell you its to win a county title with their club or an All Ireland for their county. Representing Ireland doesn't even come into it.

I'd rather they resurrected the Railway Cup and got the Croke park marketing machine behind that. I'd pay good money to see a Munster forward line made up of the likes of Corbett, the two E Kellys, Noel McGrath, Mullane, the O' Connor brothers take on a Leinster made up of mainly the KK lads. You'd easily fill Thurles or even Croker if you did a double header with football as well.

Compromise Rules me hole, its not even entertaining.

rebel girl 15

flahavaj wrote: »

Compromise Rules is a loada boll*x IMO. As Mickey Harte said all it does is put our best players in the shop window to be poached by AFL clubs. And I don't buy this whole argument about every player's dream being to represent their country - my hole. You ask any lad raised in a GAA environment what his dream is and they'll all tell you its to win a county title with their club or an All Ireland for their county. Representing Ireland doesn't even come into it.
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The piece in bold is bullsh*t imo - the clubs keep a sharp eye on the whole championship, not just intercounty senior, but minor especially, not just two games. Of the six players on the panel that had Australian Rules experience, four of those came home to GAA, so what does that say for AFL and GAA???? If a player decides to go and play a professional foreign game, travelling that far to do so, then fair dues to him - no person, I don't care how successful a person is, they should not come out with statements like that. Its not poaching, its giving guys an opportunity to play a professional game. GAA won't turn professional, the money simply isn't there to do so.


Its not about asking any lad, its about asking the inter county players in the country. Of course growing up it is to represent your county, but looking at other sports, there is a chance to play for your country, which is very special. And there were plenty of players that made themselves available for trials.

What Mickey Harte et al would be better looking at how many young players are being lost to soccer and rugby, and how many players we are losing out of this country because of the job situation here

flahavaj

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

The piece in bold is bullsh*t imo - the clubs keep a sharp eye on the whole championship, not just intercounty senior, but minor especially, not just two games. Of the six players on the panel that had Australian Rules experience, four of those came home to GAA, so what does that say for AFL and GAA???? If a player decides to go and play a professional foreign game, travelling that far to do so, then fair dues to him - no person, I don't care how successful a person is, they should not come out with statements like that. Its not poaching, its giving guys an opportunity to play a professional game. GAA won't turn professional, the money simply isn't there to do so.

But by collaborating with and engaging in this way with the AFL its hardly issuing a "hands-off" message to them about players. Obviously you can't stop them scouting the championships etc - thats no reason to actively engage with them either and give them even more lines of communication to Irish talent.

Its not about asking any lad, its about asking the inter county players in the country. Of course growing up it is to represent your county, but looking at other sports, there is a chance to play for your country, which is very special. And there were plenty of players that made themselves available for trials.

There were plenty players who made themselves available fair enough. But I don't think if the opportunity was taken away they'd lose too much sleep over it either. Representing Ireland isn't really on teh agenda for most GAA people - if the opportunity is here no doubt some will take up the chance. But lets not pretend its something that they'll miss that hugely if its off the table. Its not like rugby or soccer where international caps are one of the ultimate accolades.

What Mickey Harte et al would be better looking at how many young players are being lost to soccer and rugby, and how many players we are losing out of this country because of the job situation here

But the GAA isn't openly engaging with the FAI or IRFU either is it? If they were I'd have a major problem. Why is it any different with the AFL? the point is the GAA should be actively trying to stop us losing players to all sports not doing it when it suits but then engaging with on of the major culprits on an annual basis.

The GAA's purpose should be promoting the game on its own merits, not promoting a hybrid game thats not even that good to watch and involves collaborating with an organisation that has actively sought to poach Irish players away from GAA and into their own sport.

As I said, they'd be far better advised building back up the profile of the Railway Cups and putting the might of their marketing machine behind the sports they're supposed to be promoting.

Gipo3

flahavaj wrote: »

Compromise Rules is a loada boll*x IMO. As Mickey Harte said all it does is put our best players in the shop window to be poached by AFL clubs.

How many Gaa players have gone to AFL after playing international rules?
Well that would be none.
Mickey Harte hasnt got a clue. The sooner he quits the better.

WallyGUFC

Two awful games this year with about 15 exciting minutes spread over both tests. Not good enough. Scrap it.

flahavaj

Gipo3 wrote: »

How many Gaa players have gone to AFL after playing international rules?
Well that would be none.
Mickey Harte hasnt got a clue. The sooner he quits the better.

Even so, why even engage with them, especially when the hybrid sport produced is pretty sh*te?

As for Mickey Harte not having a clue and needing to quit - LOL. What that man has done for his county, in not only bringing All Irelands to a place that had none, but setting up an underage structure thats the envy of everyone is remarkable. Foolish statement tbh.