Johners Horse/Football bets

Johner

Just thought I'd start a thread. Will be mainly horse racing which will be my own selections and some tips I get, and the odd football bet.

Starting with a bank of 100pts. Using the layout Pyro uses(hopefully it will be as successful for me as it is for him )

1st selection is,

3.25 Haydock - Mostly Bob

2pts e/w 5/1 Bet 365

An unexposed horse with only 3 starts over hurdles(winning 2 and coming second in the other). Won his bumper back in January 09 for Willie Mullins on heavy ground and was then transferred to the Phillip Hobbs yard, 2nd on debut over hurdles in March of this year to a good sort in Williams Wishes(has won twice since), then followed that up with a comfortable maiden hurdle win. Mostly Bob's last run was in May at Aintree were he won a good novice hurdle(4 horses have come out of that race and won) on good ground.Richard Johnson was the jockey that day and he takes the ride again tomorrow. Phillip Hobbs yard have been in cracking form and this one should go close tomorrow in his first handicap start. The race is over 2m 4f, a distance in which Mostly Bob is 2/2 at.

Will have a few more in a bit.

Johner

2.40 Musselburgh - Fremen

3pts at (forecast 5/2 but will put proper price up in the morning when it's up)

Well what can I say about this horse, has won me a load! Has been in flying form this season in this low grade, started his season in April and has won 8/10 of it's starts including 4/4 at this track Musselburgh, overall in its career is 7/12 at this track. Adrian Nicholls takes the ride for Dandy and it's safe to say he gets on well with this horse winning an incredible 12 times on him 6 coming this season. The ground is forecast to be Good to soft(soft in places) which Fremen won't mind at all. The big danger in this race is the Mark Johnston trained Opus Maximus, I just feel he might need slightly better ground. I think the top two in the market will fight out the finish but I'm hoping the in form Fremen can get the better of the Johnston horse.

whitts

if u take SP on a horse what odds will u end up with?. first "good" odds? or winning odds??..

best of luck with thread lad...

Johner

Last one for tomorrow is,

3.20 Punchestown - Noble Prince

3pts - (forecast 7/4 again will update with the price I take in the morning)

Always a bit of a gamble backing a horse first time out over fences but Noble Prince is the class horse in the field of 8. This horse won 3 hurdle races here in Ireland before being upped in grade and went on to be placed in 3 grade 2 races in a row. Went to Cheltenham and came a good 5th in the county hurdle at the festival this year. Last run was back in April at this track where he finished 4th in the grade 1 stayers hurdle to the classy mare Quevega. This is the best hurdle form on offer, the horse looks like it was made for chasing and I guess we will see tomorrow but I'm taking the gamble on it making a winner debut over fences. The excellent Paul Carberry takes the ride and the ground should be no problem at all.

Johner

whitts wrote: »

if u take SP on a horse what odds will u end up with?. first "good" odds? or winning odds??..

best of luck with thread lad...

Cheers.

SP will be the starting price, the price the horse goes off at. I'll update the thread with the price I will take in the morning.

10 pts staked for tomorrow. Watch them all fall. ( even the one on the flat knowing my luck)

Johner

Johner wrote: »

2.40 Musselburgh - Fremen

3pts at (forecast 5/2 but will put proper price up in the morning when it's up)

Well what can I say about this horse, has won me a load! Has been in flying form this season in this low grade, started his season in April and has won 8/10 of it's starts including 4/4 at this track Musselburgh, overall in its career is 7/12 at this track. Adrian Nicholls takes the ride for Dandy and it's safe to say he gets on well with this horse winning an incredible 12 times on him 6 coming this season. The ground is forecast to be Good to soft(soft in places) which Fremen won't mind at all. The big danger in this race is the Mark Johnston trained Opus Maximus, I just feel he might need slightly better ground. I think the top two in the market will fight out the finish but I'm hoping the in form Fremen can get the better of the Johnston horse.

Evens for this one, a bit shorter than I hoped and is odds on in places.

3pts at Evens.

Johner

Johner wrote: »

Last one for tomorrow is,

3.20 Punchestown - Noble Prince

3pts - (forecast 7/4 again will update with the price I take in the morning)

Always a bit of a gamble backing a horse first time out over fences but Noble Prince is the class horse in the field of 8. This horse won 3 hurdle races here in Ireland before being upped in grade and went on to be placed in 3 grade 2 races in a row. Went to Cheltenham and came a good 5th in the county hurdle at the festival this year. Last run was back in April at this track where he finished 4th in the grade 1 stayers hurdle to the classy mare Quevega. This is the best hurdle form on offer, the horse looks like it was made for chasing and I guess we will see tomorrow but I'm taking the gamble on it making a winner debut over fences. The excellent Paul Carberry takes the ride and the ground should be no problem at all.

3pts at 5/4.

Johner

Johner wrote: »

Evens for this one, a bit shorter than I hoped and is odds on in places.

3pts at Evens.

Bad start with Fremen, money for Opus Maximus and King of the Moors told and they came 1st and 2nd.

Johner

One more for today is,

5.10 Haydock - Drill Sergeant

4pts at 6/5

Johner

Johner wrote: »

Last one for tomorrow is,

3.20 Punchestown - Noble Prince

3pts - (forecast 7/4 again will update with the price I take in the morning)

Always a bit of a gamble backing a horse first time out over fences but Noble Prince is the class horse in the field of 8. This horse won 3 hurdle races here in Ireland before being upped in grade and went on to be placed in 3 grade 2 races in a row. Went to Cheltenham and came a good 5th in the county hurdle at the festival this year. Last run was back in April at this track where he finished 4th in the grade 1 stayers hurdle to the classy mare Quevega. This is the best hurdle form on offer, the horse looks like it was made for chasing and I guess we will see tomorrow but I'm taking the gamble on it making a winner debut over fences. The excellent Paul Carberry takes the ride and the ground should be no problem at all.

Noble Prince wins a shade cosily after being hampered 2 out.

Johner

Johner wrote: »

3.25 Haydock - Mostly Bob

2pts e/w 5/1 Bet 365

Unplaced.

Weakened coming into the straight. Will come on for that run though.

coughlan08

Johner wrote: »

One more for today is,

5.10 Haydock - Drill Sergeant

4pts at 6/5

im going to be more than likely backing this fella aswel,
stands a massive chance imo.

Johner

Johner wrote: »

One more for today is,

5.10 Haydock - Drill Sergeant

4pts at 6/5

Reasoning for this one,

Very good horse on the flat for Mark Johnston winning a couple of big handicaps a few years ago before competing in listed and group races although not with any success. Over hurdles Drill Sergeant won it's debut nicely on today's ground with the champ McCoy on board. Next time out he finished second in a run that I think can be forgiven, for starters there was only 4 horses in the race so there wasn't much pace on and Drill Sergeant led when ideally he would like to be tracking the leaders which worked very well on its first run. Donald McCain has McCoy booked again and there's no better man to get him home. Has to give weight all round but I think will be too strong. Danger is Mister Wall Street.

Johner

coughlan08 wrote: »

im going to be more than likely backing this fella aswel,
stands a massive chance imo.

Definitely! just put some reasoning up.

Johner

Johner wrote: »

Reasoning for this one,

Very good horse on the flat for Mark Johnston winning a couple of big handicaps a few years ago before competing in listed and group races although not with any success. Over hurdles Drill Sergeant won it's debut nicely on today's ground with the champ McCoy on board. Next time out he finished second in a run that I think can be forgiven, for starters there was only 4 horses in the race so there wasn't much pace on and Drill Sergeant led when ideally he would like to be tracking the leaders which worked very well on its first run. Donald McCain has McCoy booked again and there's no better man to get him home. Has to give weight all round but I think will be too strong. Danger is Mister Wall Street.

Also forgot to add that his last run was over 2m 4f and is dropping back to 2m today the distance which Drill Sergeant opened his account over hurdles in.

Johner

Just a quick one just had a little bet on this.

Nottingham 4.15 - Naddwah

1pt at 11/2

Johner

Johner wrote: »

Just a quick one just had a little bet on this.

Nottingham 4.15 - Naddwah

1pt at 11/2

No good.

All on Drill Sergeant now. :pac:

Con1110

Had south cape myself pity I didn't state it in my own log

Johner

At the moment,

Total points staked today - 15pts
Total points returned - 6.75 pts(-8.25)
Currently in play - 4pts.

Current bank - 91.75pts(-8.25)

Johner

Just got word for The Corby Glenn at Punchestown 4.55, will have a small nibble.

1pt e/w at 4/1

Johner

Johner wrote: »

Reasoning for this one,

Very good horse on the flat for Mark Johnston winning a couple of big handicaps a few years ago before competing in listed and group races although not with any success. Over hurdles Drill Sergeant won it's debut nicely on today's ground with the champ McCoy on board. Next time out he finished second in a run that I think can be forgiven, for starters there was only 4 horses in the race so there wasn't much pace on and Drill Sergeant led when ideally he would like to be tracking the leaders which worked very well on its first run. Donald McCain has McCoy booked again and there's no better man to get him home. Has to give weight all round but I think will be too strong. Danger is Mister Wall Street.

Drill Sergeant wins in the strangest race i've ever seen.

Con1110

Never Seen the likes of it..

Lovely Win

Johner

Unreal, I was watching on a stream and I was sure he was pulled up! Amazing stuff to win it though.

Johner

Total points staked today - 17pts
Total points returned - 15.55pts (-1.45)


Current bank - 98.55pts(-1.45)

Small loss so far.

Johner

2pts on Ross Bay at 11/8 in the last at Punchestown.

Peyton Manning

Nice one Johner! Followed your Drill Sergeant bet

What happened that made it strange? Missed the race, had to pop up to the shops.

Johner

Archimedes wrote: »

Nice one Johner! Followed your Drill Sergeant bet

What happened that made it strange? Missed the race, had to pop up to the shops.

No problem.

Drill Sergeant went about 10 lengths clear but after a bit seemed to pull him self up, then was last but kept on going. Here is the racing post commentary on it, amazing stuff so it was!

Off and running
Drill Sergeant sent straight to the front
Daggerman & Vallani very iffy over the first
Mister Wall Street lies second
Stevie Thunder third
Drill Sergeant taking no prisoners here, he's clear by 12ls
Attaglance & Brother Bob both made mistakes in rear, they're 30ls off the pace
Drill Sergeant leads
Daggerman lies second
Vallani third
Stevie Thunder & Wild Desert next
Drill Sergeant has pulled himself up on the turn
dramatic stuff at Haydock, the favourite has thrown in the towel
Drill Sergeant trying to get into the race again, he dropped right back to last
Vallani leads
Daggerman lies second
Drill Sergeant somehow back into third
Robertewenutter 4th
Hallstatt 5th
Mister Wall Street 6th
Stevie Thunder next
Wild Desert weakening
Drill Sergeant & Robertewenutter disputing
Drill Sergeant an amazing performance here, if this wins it'll hit the headlines
Vallani hampered
Vallani weakening
3 out
Robertewenutter leads
Drill Sergeant touches down in front
Mister Wall Street lies second
Brother Bob making headway
2 out
Drill Sergeant by 1l
Brother Bob & Morning Farewell making headway
Brother Bob, Drill Sergeant & Morning Farewell disputing
final fence
Brother Bob edges on
Drill Sergeant battling back
Brother Bob & Drill Sergeant all out
Drill Sergeant clinging on
Drill Sergeant WINS IT, remarkable scenes

Johner

Johner wrote: »

2pts on Ross Bay at 11/8 in the last at Punchestown.

Found nothing on the home turn and finished 2nd,

Small footy double.

Arsenal (5/6) and Aston Villa (4/7) to win. 3.55pts.

Bank - 93pts(-7.00)

Johner

Here is what I have for Kempton, no write up's as I'm heading out for a bit.

6.10 - Anne's Rocket 1pt at 9/2

Double
2pts
6.40 - Twice Bitten 10/11
7.40 - Flag Officer 6/4

That's it, won't get to see these at all though.

Bank - 90pts(-10)

Johner

Johner wrote: »

Here is what I have for Kempton, no write up's as I'm heading out for a bit.

6.10 - Anne's Rocket 1pt at 9/2

Double
2pts
6.40 - Twice Bitten 10/11
7.40 - Flag Officer 6/4

That's it, won't get to see these at all though.

Bank - 90pts(-10)

Anne's Rocket drifted in the market and could only manage 7th.

Twice bitten and Flag Officer both win to bring in the double which returns 9.55pts

Bank - 99.55pts(-0.45)

Johner

Last one tonight purely because of the market and who the trainer is,

8.40 Kempton - Allanit

2pts at 5/1.

Was 10/1 earlier and is being backed, the trainer is none other than Barney Curley, if this keeps getting backed then you know the great man is up to something, but if it drifts closer to the race it will finish tailed off.

Johner

Johner wrote: »

Last one tonight purely because of the market and who the trainer is,

8.40 Kempton - Allanit

2pts at 5/1.

Was 10/1 earlier and is being backed, the trainer is none other than Barney Curley, if this keeps getting backed then you know the great man is up to something, but if it drifts closer to the race it will finish tailed off.

Shocking.

Johner wrote: »

Found nothing on the home turn and finished 2nd,

Small footy double.

Arsenal (5/6) and Aston Villa (4/7) to win. 3.55pts.

Thought this one was safe after Heskey scored in the 86th minute but Burnley equalize in the last minute.

Bank after today is a slight loss.

Bank - 97.55(-2.45)

Johner

First one for tomorrow is,

4.15 Clonmel - Starwood

1pt e/w (forecast is 10/1)

Again it's risky backing in a beginners chase but I've followed this mare for a while. Solid on the flat winning 4 times and has won twice over hurdles with the latest success coming in August on good ground. Her last two runs over hurdles have been fine efforts coming 2nd in the Guinness handicap hurdle at Listowel and then 2nd to Voler La Vedette in a listed race two weeks ago at Punchestown, although never troubling the winner who barely came off the bridle Starwood had some good mares behind her that day. Now switched to chasing I think she has a good chance if taking to fences,the ground is yielding at the moment and although she would ideally like it a bit better it shouldn't be a problem as she has form on softer ground . Davy Russell was on board when she won back in August and he takes the ride again tomorrow. The dangers would be Blazing Tempo and Tramp Stamp. They both have very good hurdle form and again if taking to chasing they should be the dangers.

Johner

2.50 Stratford - Dark Energy

2pts (forecast 3/1)

Fairly exposed 6 year old, interested in this one as it's dropped in grade into a seller and has already won a claiming race before. In this grade he can make his mark.

Johner

3.20 Stratford - Runshan

1pt e/w at 11/2 Bet365

Hard enough to win with, this 10 year old has only won twice but ran a respectable race last time out at Kempton on his reappearance and should come on for that run. I think stepping up in trip will suit this one but I could be horribly wrong. Tom Scudamore is booked for tomorrow and was on board for that second at Kempton. Has won on soft ground before so no worries there.

coughlan08

Johner wrote: »

3.20 Stratford - Runshan

1pt e/w at 11/2 Bet365

Hard enough to win with, this 10 year old has only won twice but ran a respectable race last time out at Kempton on his reappearance and should come on for that run. I think stepping up in trip will suit this one but I could be horribly wrong. Tom Scudamore is booked for tomorrow and was on board for that second at Kempton. Has won on soft ground before so no worries there.

was looking at this fella alri,
will wait til morning..
will shorten in my books anyway.

Johner

coughlan08 wrote: »

was looking at this fella alri,
will wait til morning..
will shorten in my books anyway.

Yeah I think it will get shorter as well took the 11/2 with Bet 365. Volcanic Rock looks a danger although I think he is too high in the weights.

Johner

2.40 Lingfield - Quick Wit

4pts at 13/8 Paddy Power.

This one is progressing nicely for the boys in the blue and won with ease on it's reappearance a couple of weeks back at Nottingham.Now goes on the all weather track at Lingfield tomorrow, it's only run on this surface came on it's debut back at Lingfield this time last year. He was slow away and missed the break that day and could only manage 5th. He's more experienced now and the track should be no problem. Frankie is on board this one and Quick Wit should have too much for his rivals tomorrow even though there are a lot of course and distance winners in the field. I expect Frankie to try make all on this one like he did in the previous two victories on this horse and he could be very hard to peg back.

Johner

Points staked for tomorrow - 10pts

Current Bank - 87.55pts

Johner

Johner wrote: »

First one for tomorrow is,

4.15 Clonmel - Starwood

1pt e/w (forecast is 10/1)

7/2 EDIT was the best I could find but have just found 4/1 so took that with Bet365.

Johner wrote: »

2.50 Stratford - Dark Energy

2pts (forecast 3/1)

Took 11/4 for this one.

Johner

Johner wrote: »

2.40 Lingfield - Quick Wit

4pts at 13/8 Paddy Power.

Well backed into 4/5, wins very nicely. Good start to the day, very happy with the 13/8 I got last night.

Johner

Johner wrote: »

2.50 Stratford - Dark Energy

2pts (forecast 3/1)

Fairly exposed 6 year old, interested in this one as it's dropped in grade into a seller and has already won a claiming race before. In this grade he can make his mark.

Shocking ride there, never gave the horse a chance.

Johner

Johner wrote: »

3.20 Stratford - Runshan

1pt e/w at 11/2 Bet365

Hard enough to win with, this 10 year old has only won twice but ran a respectable race last time out at Kempton on his reappearance and should come on for that run. I think stepping up in trip will suit this one but I could be horribly wrong. Tom Scudamore is booked for tomorrow and was on board for that second at Kempton. Has won on soft ground before so no worries there.

Runshan hacks up! Delighted.

Johner

Quick one here,

Frankie to bring up the treble for Godolphin in the next at Lingfield.

2pts - Baila Me 5/4

Con1110

Prob should go with you

But going with Western Pearl

Johner

Con1110 wrote: »

Prob should go with you

But going with Western Pearl

Tough race to call, just going with Frankie and Godolphin again as they are in cracking form.

Johner

Also think Hangover is overpriced in the next at Clonmel.

0.5pts e/w - Hangover 14/1 - Clonmel 3.45

Johner

Johner wrote: »

Quick one here,

Frankie to bring up the treble for Godolphin in the next at Lingfield.

2pts - Baila Me 5/4

Frankie brings up the treble in another photo finish, excellent by him.

Con1110

Congrats Johner should have stuck with ya

Con1110

Backed OwenGlenDower Small Winnings

Have a tip for ya got it today Mister Magic Man In the Last in Clonmel..

Up to you to go with it

Johner

Johner wrote: »

First one for tomorrow is,

4.15 Clonmel - Starwood

1pt e/w (forecast is 10/1)

Bad mistake about 4 out ruined her chance. got lucky with a faller at the last and finished 3rd which is place money at least. Was well backed.